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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You know who the big winners are? The companies who build and repair robots. Nah ... The guy who figures out how to convince the robot AI that organizing is logical and once all of the human sandwich makers are gone has the company by the NUTS!  Johnny Five for Local 5 President! |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:22:55 PM EDT
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Your argument hinges on your own perception of personal property. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ah, so this government would not use force. So, if they'd going to guarantee certain material goods and services to people, they will necessarily need to take those goods and services from other people. What do they do when those other people decide they don't with their property confiscated? Your argument hinges on your own perception of personal property. Found the Communist! (Not pretend communist, but actual, no property rights capital C, Communist.) |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:25:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Found the Communist! (Not pretend communist, but actual, no property rights capital C, Communist.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ah, so this government would not use force. So, if they'd going to guarantee certain material goods and services to people, they will necessarily need to take those goods and services from other people. What do they do when those other people decide they don't with their property confiscated? Your argument hinges on your own perception of personal property. Found the Communist! (Not pretend communist, but actual, no property rights capital C, Communist.) The salary caps set forth by communism are not going to work for the robot collective. Perhaps they could be party officials, but then comes the problem who will make the sandwiches. Perhaps the humans who use to make the sandwiches could take their places for a reduced shared wage ... It may work. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:26:58 PM EDT
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Found the Communist! (Not pretend communist, but actual, no property rights capital C, Communist.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ah, so this government would not use force. So, if they'd going to guarantee certain material goods and services to people, they will necessarily need to take those goods and services from other people. What do they do when those other people decide they don't with their property confiscated? Your argument hinges on your own perception of personal property. Found the Communist! (Not pretend communist, but actual, no property rights capital C, Communist.) He calls himself and anarcho socialist. Don't laugh. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:27:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you've identified the problem. Replace the cow. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Arachno-Socialism is a wish to have milk without consideration for the cow. It is childish wishful thinking at it's finest. So you've identified the problem. Replace the cow.  Perfect. You don't even know what you did there, do you? Yep, they grow them cows on that there cow tree. Replace the cow, why not just "replace the farmer" while you are at it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:28:04 PM EDT
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Perfect. You don't even know what you did there, do you? Yep, they grow them cows on that there cow tree. Replace the cow, why not just "replace the farmer" while you are at it. I did and apparently you got half of it. You're on the right track though. ETA I think we are in a transitional phase as a species and it's better to support that than fight it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:31:24 PM EDT
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I did and apparently you got half of it. You're on the right track though. ETA I think we are in a transitional phase as a species Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perfect. You don't even know what you did there, do you? Yep, they grow them cows on that there cow tree. Replace the cow, why not just "replace the farmer" while you are at it. I did and apparently you got half of it. You're on the right track though. ETA I think we are in a transitional phase as a species How enlightened of you. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:33:56 PM EDT
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Getting back to the original topic, what's "anarcho" about a minimum wage?
Sounds sort of like the opposite of "anarcho". |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:34:05 PM EDT
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It's a desperate vote grab, but not from people that can actually donate.
Risky move, Dems. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:34:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did and apparently you got half of it. You're on the right track though. ETA I think we are in a transitional phase as a species and it's better to support that than fight it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Perfect. You don't even know what you did there, do you? Yep, they grow them cows on that there cow tree. Replace the cow, why not just "replace the farmer" while you are at it. I did and apparently you got half of it. You're on the right track though. ETA I think we are in a transitional phase as a species and it's better to support that than fight it. Do you believe in ascension ? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:35:29 PM EDT
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so what
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:35:42 PM EDT
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Many union contracts have union workers pay indexed to the minimum wage.
So when the minimum wage goes up, the union workers wages go up just as much! |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:35:46 PM EDT
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Do you believe in ascension ? Only in the stargate universe 
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:38:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many union contracts have union workers pay indexed to the minimum wage. So when the minimum wage goes up, the union workers wages go up just as much! |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:38:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only in the stargate universe Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you believe in ascension ? Only in the stargate universe Ha! I knew it you are Daniel! Don't worry you will ascend some day and you will enlightened. ETA: oh and by the way your series ending sucked, so way to go fucking that one up bro. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:39:53 PM EDT
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I'd vote for Sanders, Warren, or 3rd party. ETA According to one of the tests thrown around here, I fall into the anarcho-socialist camp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So we should assume you'll be voting Democrat this time round? I'd vote for Sanders, Warren, or 3rd party. ETA According to one of the tests thrown around here, I fall into the anarcho-socialist camp. How the fuck are there still 13'ers that haven't been banned yet? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:40:28 PM EDT
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Ha! I knew it you are Daniel! Don't worry you will ascend some day and you will enlightened. I love sci fi, but nothing I've discussed isn't being actively perused. After you accept that humans are just meat processors it's just a function of time. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:42:14 PM EDT
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That's an inevitable future. Society will either adapt to supporting people from cradle to grave or a lot of people are going to die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's an oxymoron because socialism involves involuntary transfer of wealth or income, requires coercion across many aspects of human activity, which requires a class of people that force accross the population. Not seeing how "anarcho" fits that in any way. At any rate, how can people realisticall get by on $15, paricularly as business will seek increasingly cost effective automation in substitution of increasingly overpriced labor? That's an inevitable future. Society will either adapt to supporting people from cradle to grave or a lot of people are going to die. Everybody dies, that's life. How well you choose to do in life is entirely up to YOU in a free society. That's why we don't believe in your anarco socialism. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:43:44 PM EDT
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Does this mean we get another few hundred thousand dollars per annum thrown at our family without trying harder?
If so, we'll be able to comfortably retire in five to seven years instead of ten to fifteen Oh happy days are here again  
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:44:57 PM EDT
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Does this mean we get another few hundred thousand dollars thrown at our family without trying harder? If so, we'll be able to comfortably retire in five to seven years instead of ten to fifteen Oh happy days are here again Sweet. What will you do with the extra time with your family? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:46:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet. What will you do with the extra time with your family? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does this mean we get another few hundred thousand dollars thrown at our family without trying harder? If so, we'll be able to comfortably retire in five to seven years instead of ten to fifteen Oh happy days are here again Sweet. What will you do with the extra time with your family? Protest a planned parenthood clinic, obviously. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:47:39 PM EDT
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Despite what Fox news and AM radio tell you she is. That's why there's a liberal wing to the party, but once you convince people that socialist is a dirty word why not throw it around all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They call Hillary a "centrist". That is how your fucked up media frames things to make radicals seems ordinary. Despite what Fox news and AM radio tell you she is. That's why there's a liberal wing to the party, but once you convince people that socialist is a dirty word why not throw it around all the time. Lol you think she's center. Bahahahahaha That's cute. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:49:02 PM EDT
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The government is a tool that can be used properly or, left to its own devices, it can become a tyrannical menace. To prevent the latter you don't dismantle the government, you watch it like a hawk. The price for liberty is eternal vigilance Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the fact that minimum wages don't actually do anything for the poor doesn't phase you? BTW, anarcho-socialist is an oxymoron. You will not have socialism without an impressively massive government. The government is a tool that can be used properly or, left to its own devices, it can become a tyrannical menace. To prevent the latter you don't dismantle the government, you watch it like a hawk. The price for liberty is eternal vigilance Are you being serious? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:49:34 PM EDT
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Sweet. What will you do with the extra time with your family? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does this mean we get another few hundred thousand dollars thrown at our family without trying harder? If so, we'll be able to comfortably retire in five to seven years instead of ten to fifteen Oh happy days are here again Sweet. What will you do with the extra time with your family? Learn how to butcher hogs and pickle beets and turnips because a couple of million dollars in liquidity isn't going to put food on the table for a quarter let alone two decades |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:49:57 PM EDT
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Lol you think she's center. Bahahahahaha That's cute. Compare her globally. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:52:37 PM EDT
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"The Democratic Party’s move shows a growing understanding that $15 an hour is what American workers everywhere need to survive and support their families." If the best you can do is flip burgers, then you shouldn't have "started a family" in the first fucking place. Just because they think they "need" it doesn't mean they deserve it, or that they're entitled to it, or that they can do anything that's actually worth it. I would rather see the sort of traditional people you would get in low paying part time jobs - you know, regular people who aren't fucking useless but who fit the job, like teenagers - filling those positions, rather than having to pay more for everything because some waste of space thinks they're worth $15/hr. Fuck that. They're basically demanding the wage equivalent of a participation trophy and expect us to pay for it. Edited to add; of course the idiot authoritarian leftist dumping all over the thread lives in OH... |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:54:12 PM EDT
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If the best you can do is flip burgers, then you shouldn't have "started a family" in the first fucking place. Just because they think they "need" it doesn't mean they deserve it, or that they're entitled to it, or that they can do anything that's actually worth it. I would rather see the sort of traditional people you would get in low paying part time jobs - you know, regular people who aren't fucking useless but who fit the job, like teenagers - filling those positions, rather than having to pay more for everything because some waste of space thinks they're worth $15/hr. Fuck that. They're basically demanding the wage equivalent of a participation trophy and expect us to pay for it. So, passive eugenics. I bet in the same breath you scream about democide. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:54:26 PM EDT
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Does the OP understand that the minimum wage always is and always will be $0. The automation industry will help to educate people on this subject. A decent argument could be made that it's less than zero. Education is a form of trainee status which requires payment. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:55:46 PM EDT
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Learn how to butcher hogs and pickle beets and turnips because a couple of million dollars in liquidity isn't going to put food on the table for a quarter let alone two decades I'm glad you'll be able to pursue those activities once this is passed
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:57:54 PM EDT
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So, passive eugenics. I bet in the same breath you scream about democide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the best you can do is flip burgers, then you shouldn't have "started a family" in the first fucking place. Just because they think they "need" it doesn't mean they deserve it, or that they're entitled to it, or that they can do anything that's actually worth it. I would rather see the sort of traditional people you would get in low paying part time jobs - you know, regular people who aren't fucking useless but who fit the job, like teenagers - filling those positions, rather than having to pay more for everything because some waste of space thinks they're worth $15/hr. Fuck that. They're basically demanding the wage equivalent of a participation trophy and expect us to pay for it. So, passive eugenics. I bet in the same breath you scream about democide. So its his fault people are irresponsible. He didnt build that? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:58:02 PM EDT
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So, passive eugenics. I bet in the same breath you scream about democide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the best you can do is flip burgers, then you shouldn't have "started a family" in the first fucking place. Just because they think they "need" it doesn't mean they deserve it, or that they're entitled to it, or that they can do anything that's actually worth it. I would rather see the sort of traditional people you would get in low paying part time jobs - you know, regular people who aren't fucking useless but who fit the job, like teenagers - filling those positions, rather than having to pay more for everything because some waste of space thinks they're worth $15/hr. Fuck that. They're basically demanding the wage equivalent of a participation trophy and expect us to pay for it. So, passive eugenics. I bet in the same breath you scream about democide. There is no such thing as "passive eugenics". I have no duty or responsibility to work my ass off to support a bunch of random fuckwits. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:59:03 PM EDT
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So, passive eugenics. I bet in the same breath you scream about democide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the best you can do is flip burgers, then you shouldn't have "started a family" in the first fucking place. Just because they think they "need" it doesn't mean they deserve it, or that they're entitled to it, or that they can do anything that's actually worth it. I would rather see the sort of traditional people you would get in low paying part time jobs - you know, regular people who aren't fucking useless but who fit the job, like teenagers - filling those positions, rather than having to pay more for everything because some waste of space thinks they're worth $15/hr. Fuck that. They're basically demanding the wage equivalent of a participation trophy and expect us to pay for it. So, passive eugenics. I bet in the same breath you scream about democide. All your minimum wage does it lock low skilled people out of the job market. Sounds like economic eugenics. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:00:13 PM EDT
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All your minimum wage does it lock low skilled people out of the job market. Sounds like economic eugenics. Nope, I covered my bases. Welfare. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:03:40 PM EDT
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Nope, I covered my bases. Welfare. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All your minimum wage does it lock low skilled people out of the job market. Sounds like economic eugenics. Nope, I covered my bases. Welfare. And welfare leads to more welfare. Congratulations, with your minimum wage and your welfare you have permanently locked people out of the job market and assured them a lifetime of dependency on the government. You must be so proud.
But it's ok right, because you have good intentions. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:04:55 PM EDT
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And welfare leads to more welfare. Congratulations, with your minimum wage and your welfare you have permanently locked people out of the job market and assured them a lifetime of dependency on the government. You must be so proud.
But it's ok right, because you have good intentions. How have I locked them into anything? I've supplied their needs and given them free access to education.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:06:20 PM EDT
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I'm glad you'll be able to pursue those activities once this is passed Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Learn how to butcher hogs and pickle beets and turnips because a couple of million dollars in liquidity isn't going to put food on the table for a quarter let alone two decades I'm glad you'll be able to pursue those activities once this is passed Thanks, and please be decent neighbors by keeping you and yours away from my burn pile and compost heap |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:06:27 PM EDT
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How have I locked them into anything? I've supplied their needs and given them free access to education. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And welfare leads to more welfare. Congratulations, with your minimum wage and your welfare you have permanently locked people out of the job market and assured them a lifetime of dependency on the government. You must be so proud.
But it's ok right, because you have good intentions. How have I locked them into anything? I've supplied their needs and given them free access to education. Isnt that whats done currently? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:07:03 PM EDT
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Nope, I covered my bases. Welfare. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All your minimum wage does it lock low skilled people out of the job market. Sounds like economic eugenics. Nope, I covered my bases. Welfare. You are either functionally retarded or expcustom. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:08:06 PM EDT
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Isnt that whats done currently? Not even close, although people spend great amounts of money to convince you otherwise. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:11:36 PM EDT
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How have I locked them into anything? I've supplied their needs and given them free access to education. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And welfare leads to more welfare. Congratulations, with your minimum wage and your welfare you have permanently locked people out of the job market and assured them a lifetime of dependency on the government. You must be so proud.
But it's ok right, because you have good intentions. How have I locked them into anything? I've supplied their needs and given them free access to education. Well, with your minimum wage you essentially made it illegal to employ someone with low skills. They couldn't learn on the job and improve their skills and advance to a higher paying job. And your welfare, well it's a bit like a narcotic. Useful for a limited time in low doses but addictive in the long term. You'd like to claim education as your escape clause, but many employers want actual experience and aren't looking for people with classroom experience only. And besides, who the hell are you to stand in the way of a willing worker and a willing employer reaching an agreement just because you think you're smarter than the average bear and know better what that guy should make? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:11:52 PM EDT
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Not even close, although people spend great amounts of money to convince you otherwise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isnt that whats done currently? Not even close, although people spend great amounts of money to convince you otherwise. Hows it differ? SNAP, EBT, Section 8 are all lies? Public education costs money? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:12:25 PM EDT
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Isnt that whats done currently? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And welfare leads to more welfare. Congratulations, with your minimum wage and your welfare you have permanently locked people out of the job market and assured them a lifetime of dependency on the government. You must be so proud.
But it's ok right, because you have good intentions. How have I locked them into anything? I've supplied their needs and given them free access to education. Isnt that whats done currently? Indeed it is. And it's worked out so well
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:14:50 PM EDT
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Hows it differ? SNAP, EBT, Section 8 are all lies? Public education costs money? Our current system doesn't go nearly far enough. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:16:10 PM EDT
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Our current system doesn't go nearly far enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hows it differ? SNAP, EBT, Section 8 are all lies? Public education costs money? Our current system doesn't go nearly far enough. It takes care of all a persons basic needs. What else is there? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:16:48 PM EDT
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How have I locked them into anything? I've supplied their needs and given them free access to education. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And welfare leads to more welfare. Congratulations, with your minimum wage and your welfare you have permanently locked people out of the job market and assured them a lifetime of dependency on the government. You must be so proud.
But it's ok right, because you have good intentions. How have I locked them into anything? I've supplied their needs and given them free access to education. The Greece model, how perfect. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:17:04 PM EDT
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It takes care of all a persons basic needs. What else is there? No it doesn't. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:18:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know who the big winners are? The companies who build and repair robots. Ding! Who is going to be the kiosk king? Where do I put my money? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:20:08 PM EDT
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No it doesn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It takes care of all a persons basic needs. What else is there? No it doesn't. What basic need is neglected? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:20:54 PM EDT
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What basic need is neglected? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It takes care of all a persons basic needs. What else is there? No it doesn't. What basic need is neglected? He's going to say education. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:21:20 PM EDT
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What basic need is neglected? Ask the people I see with the signs on the freeway on/off ramps. |
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