It's not happy, really.  Those two assholes: the cop and procsecutor, are still harassing normal people.

 

Cheers to the guy who had his life disrupted over petty bullshit, for getting a payout.  I wonder how much he will get to keep, after lawyers, though.

Good thing it wasn't a real Spyderco. Would have sucked even more to lose a good knife.

Bullshit like that is why I will never set foot in New York State.

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This is an actual "gravity knife". They were German WWII weapons, more than anything, which accounts for their popularity.

















 

Here's a long, but detailed article about the gravity knife shenanigans:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/how-a-50s-era-new-york-knife-law-has-landed-thousands-in-jail-6662589#page-all

 

Good God! that place reaks of bullshit!

 

It's why I had my Spyderco PM2 in my fucking sock when I went to go see Hamilton.

NYPD shut it down a year before they did.

This.

Pro active work? Fuck that.

Then in the strictest meaning of the term, they will never actually be true professionals.

We had a cop in my precinct who had at least 25 years on the job and he had less than 5 arrests in his career. Not much work related stress for him. Even when the department started with their plan to have every cop, including those with inside positions, make at least one arrest per quarter they let him slide.

#ohwell

I don't much care either,  but dems da the facts.

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.



 

I don't blame you at allbecause NY sucks, but it's because of new york city. Upstate ny doesn't have this bullshit.  NYC is a complete commie shit hole that is like a cancerous tumor to the rest of the state.  NYC and its fucktard politicians elected by its fucktard people truly and deeply suck.  Also, their pizza and bagels are average at best. Fuck that place.

We just had a county wide meeting where search laws were gone over extensively.

All taught by lawyers.

After the morning block of instruction, the afternoon was scenario skills using the block of information from earlier.

The A.P. had a stroke when they used the information that was provided. They even called the AP back in where they went to a verbal clash that lasted almost 30'minutes.

And these are who we are supposed to get our advice from?

Yeah, ZFG. Just make sure the bi weekly deposit is made.

True, upstate has deputies who slap and threaten people who refuse to consent to a vehicle search.

What the hell did he do with his time?  I would assume that there's some sort of performance monitoring in place where he would have to report that he did something for two thousand hours a year.

That's what I do for a living. You are correct. Purpose code C and Z all day all night!

Yeah but then it's 20 years of graveyard shifts because....the non-existent quotas.

I'm sure that never happens nyc.
The cop who did that is not a cop anymore.  How often do nyc cops get fired or forced to resign for their douchbagery?
I wouldn't be surprised if that upstate cop who slapped that guy was a transplant from downstate.

Just like gravity knife arrests don't happen upstate.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/buffalo/three-arrested-in-car-for-having-gravity-knife-and-marijuana-20140206

http://roc.democratandchronicle.com/article/20110214/NEWS05/110211036/EAST-ROCHESTER-POLICE-reports-Weapon-possession

https://local.nixle.com/alert/5282789/

I've never understood how the deployment of a knife blade is dangerous. Most spring assisted knives open up as fast or faster than a switch blade. Fixed blade knives are ready the second they come out of the sheath. Then again these idiots ban things based on T.V. and movies like everyone with a silencer is a hit man or something.

You mean graveyard shift where you make thousands more a year than day shift cops because of night diff pay?

Reduce the number of cops then.   That'll be just as safe and cost less.

Fine by me.

Why thefuckdoes it matter the way a knife opens

Well, pfft.  Obviously one is scarier than the other.

If you are carrying a knife that looks illegal dont cry if its seized.

This is going to be overturned on appeal. Police have to put up with enough shit already, without people baiting them with "grey area" things and hoping for a payout.

And take a snoozer in the cruiser.

Used to sell those at work , still have a few in the drawer

 
Very sharp and so fragile they are dangerous

Doesn't matter what it looks like, only matters if it's actually illegal or not. And I think the plaintiff is more concerned over the arrest than the confiscation. NYC has been touting an arbitrary definition of what constitutes an "illegal knife" for over a decade now. The only way you'll get a solid definition out of them is to pound it outta them in the courts. Ask the owner of Iceberg Army Navy about the shit NYPD did to him over knives after 30 some years of taking care of LEO's.

I Had the pleasure of being detained and "questioned" by 3 of NY's Finest at the corner of 61st and Broadway because I had my clip to my knife showing outside the front pocket.  1 officer was trying like hell to get it to flick open aka a gravity knife.  Nice white guy sippin a starbucks sitting on a hydrant then WHAMO 3 cops all up in my face.  Weird experience.  Told him I used it for work and eating apples.  I guess the apple juice gunk gummed up the knife because it wouldnt flick open...

They insisted on seeing my union book to make sure I was a worker on a construction job.....

Just visited New York city.
Left all my folders at home.
I carried a sheath knife instead, as those with a blade 4" or less are legal.
Just be sure to carry it inside a pocket.


The knife on the left is perfectly legal; the one on the right could get you sent to jail.

So What Knives ARE Legal in New York City, Anyway? The Answer Might Surprise You

July 27, 2015: Knife Rights last week filed a Rule 28(j) Notice of Supplemental Authorities in Knife Rights' Federal Civil Rights lawsuit against New York City and District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr. A Rule 28(j) filing is used to "bring pertinent and significant authorities" to the Court's attention after oral argument (in our case, back in January of this year), but before the decision is announced.

In this instance the U.S. Supreme Court recently issued an 8-1 decision in the case of Johnson v United States which bolstered Knife Rights' argument that the New York State law regarding gravity knives is unconstitutionally vague as applied by NYC and the DA to common folding knives (which are distinct from gravity knives because of their bias towards closure).

Justice Scalia wrote the opinion, which determined the residual clause in question to be in violation of the Fifth Amendment. Scalia described the statute as a "failed enterprise" that invited "arbitrary enforcement." He declared that individuals are unconstitutionally deprived of due process when they are convicted under "a criminal law so vague that it fails to give ordinary people fair notice of the conduct it punishes."

We noted that SCOTUS also held that to survive a vagueness challenge the law must be clear in all its applications, not just some.

Justice Scalia wrote, "our holdings squarely contradict the theory that a vague provision is constitutional merely because there is some conduct that clearly falls within the provision's grasp." So, even if the state gravity knife law is not vague in some instances, this decision goes directly to the City's and DA's "wrist flick" test because no one can know if any Common Folding Knife is legal since the test is inherently subjective and thereby is unconstitutionally vague in at least this particular instance.

For more details including the DA's unsubstantial response letter, click on "Read More>>>>" below. - See more at: http://www.kniferights.org/#sthash.4iKEPKzo.dpuf

http://www.kniferights.org/

Knife Rights v. NYC / DA Vance Lawsuit Update

It still isn't safe for honest law-abiding citizens with a perfectly legal knife in their pocket to walk the streets of New York City, or take the subway. Knife Rights' legal team continues to help new clients who have been arrested and continues to get their cases dismissed, the latest just last week. But, that still leaves these victims of NYC District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr's persecution out of pocket a good deal of money, their valuable time (to say nothing of sleepless nights) and the persecution continues. That's why we filed a Federal Civil Rights lawsuit back in June.

Knife Rights' lawsuit against DA Vance and the City of New York continues to move forward. The State of New York has been dropped as a defendant after it determined that the events occurring in New York City are strictly a New York City issue, rather than an issue of state law. That is good for us.

Recently, the City filed its response to our Complaint, and as expected, DA Vance filed a motion to dismiss the suit. We are presently working to respond to the DA's motion.  

The City does not appear to dispute the lawsuit's basic claim that NYPD officers are using New York's "gravity knife" law to prosecute possession of common and ordinary folding knives. As anticipated, it appears that both the City and the DA intend to argue that the "gravity knife" law encompasses one-hand-opening and assisted-opening folding knives, and hence, that the law is not "impermissibly vague" as we claim. That circular argument is no surprise; after all, that's the root of the lawsuit and those are the issues we are prepared to go to trial on.

A magistrate judge has been assigned, which will help move things along quicker (that being a relative term considering this is federal litigation) and Judge Ellis has scheduled a court conference for early November. We are hopeful that we will be able to begin discovery from the City and DA Vance after this conference. No doubt there will be potholes aplenty along this road, but that's how it works when you go toe to toe with one of the most powerful cities and DA in the country. We're up to the fight.  

In the meantime, never carry your knife clipped to your pocket in New York City. Even when covered by a jacket, simply moving the jacket aside to get to a wallet has been enough to get folks arrested. Always ensure your knife is completely concealed at all times.  

If you are arrested for possession of an "illegal knife" in New York, please contact Knife Rights at: [email protected]  

Clearly a class act.

Civil suits are the cost of doing business.  He's not actually a bad cop until criminal proceedings are complete.

Gravity knives open via gravity, you open the lock with blade pointed at ground and gravity pulls the blade out. Flick test is not gravity, it is inertia, force is applied and stopped abruptly allowing the blade to continue opening under laws of inertia. Surely a 5th grade science student can explain this to the satisfaction of a jury?!?

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ETA: Looks like I was late to the party

Obviously.

Maybe deblasio will repeal the laws of gravity.

It's not just NY-

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to intentionally or knowingly carry on or about his person a knife with a blade less than five and one-half (5½) inches in length, which knife is equipped with a lock mechanism so that upon opening, it becomes a fixed blade knife.

San Antonio TX law.

My BIL lives there & when he saw my Benchmade Rift (3.5") a couple of years ago, he said it was illegal there.

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