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Posted: 8/27/2015 3:55:26 AM EDT
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not Army, but one of they guys I worked with on the flight line was a prior recruiter and admitted that while they don't officially use racial quotas for certain AFSC's it pretty much does happen
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Posted: 8/27/2015 3:56:31 AM EDT
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Yep. And cooks. Most non combat jobs. But the few black grunts I know are pretty high speed, over all ok guys.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 3:56:54 AM EDT
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cooks and bus drivers
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Posted: 8/27/2015 4:02:15 AM EDT
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cooks and bus drivers I never really noticed the cooks and drivers thing, nor did I notice there were alot of black soldiers in non combat jobs in particular, but I know that basically all the commo guys in all the units I was in was black, and when you saw a signal battalion their soldiers were mostly black. I just wondered if there was some kind of meeting that took place where this was decided or what. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 4:02:18 AM EDT
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Cooks, supply, and motorpool.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 4:31:27 AM EDT
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Maybe back in the days for MOS 31M but overall not really. Way more in 18th FA bde than in the 35th Sig bde at Ft. Bragg.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 4:36:14 AM EDT
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cooks and bus drivers ...supply as well funny though motorpool was mostly spanish or white where I was |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 4:40:57 AM EDT
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Yep. And cooks. Most non combat jobs. But the few black grunts I know are pretty high speed, over all ok guys. Infantry was generally not the MOS of choice. SSG King on ODA 914 was a valued operator at A/1/19th SFG. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 4:44:00 AM EDT
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Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have.
It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 5:15:28 AM EDT
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Must've just been me I guess. I was an MP, and compared to the rest of the Army I think we were pretty white, but compared to the US as a whole we were probably representative of the demographic makeup of the country.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 5:56:49 AM EDT
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Cooks, supply, and motorpool. This. But, I agree with OP as well. Never thought about it until now |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 5:57:05 AM EDT
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People join for different reasons. Some people join to fight and some people join to learn a job skill.
Either way, it you are a good soldier, you have my respect. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 6:21:48 AM EDT
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What black guys?
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Posted: 8/27/2015 6:43:37 AM EDT
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I did notice that certain specialties seemed to have more minorities than others.
I have no idea why nor do I subscribe to any particular theory about it. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 6:56:05 AM EDT
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What black guys? The ones at supply |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 7:03:19 AM EDT
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tag for long reply after work
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Posted: 8/27/2015 7:03:23 AM EDT
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Mid to late 90's I thought there was a fair representation of blacks in the Infantry. I thought Hispanics were over-represented.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 7:06:51 AM EDT
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oh yeah, and supply, personnel, transportation.....
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Posted: 8/27/2015 7:16:15 AM EDT
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Motor T, and supply
We had one black dude in our plt, and he couldn't even get his Humvee license We were a CAAT plt 
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:00:56 AM EDT
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In my experience (86 - 92) it differed according to location.
When I was at Ft Benning we had a lot of blacks, but when I PCS'd to Ft Devens we had a ton of Puerto Ricans. For the record I was 12B/C. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:07:05 AM EDT
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Generally a lot of minorities in general in the "soft jobs." I was an 11B/A...definitely tended to be mostly white. But my supply guys were usually Puerto Ricans...
 Chem nco was hispanic...etc...but the line guys were generally white with a smattering of others. http://strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20150820.aspx While this is also true for whites, since the volunteer army was introduced in the 1970s, combat units have been disproportionately full of white kids looking for a few thrills before going off to college (or not, no one knows why this is so). Black and Latino kids prefer military jobs where they can get skills useable in civilian occupations. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:12:46 AM EDT
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Supply, admin (42A types) and finance. Tankers and FA seem to have more than infantry from what I've seen on the outside looking in.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:17:56 AM EDT
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Not that I noticed in any of the units I was in.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:19:20 AM EDT
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I don't know what it's like now, but in the 90's when I was in, there were a lot of black enlisted soldiers in signal units compared to the amount of black soldiers in other MOS's. Anyone else notice that? If so, anyone got any theories about why? Transportation and POL. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:35:27 AM EDT
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USMC 76-82...I did notice more African American cooks, Motor T and Supply guys...the wing was definately more white, especially aircrews, A&P guys, crew chiefs, never saw a black one...saw one PMI and armorer who were black and they were shit birds...on the Navy side of the house...seemed like back then you could not find anyone other than a Philippino in supply or a chow hall...fucking Yakisoba and other asian food at every lunch and dinner line...saw one get testy with a Salty Marine Sgt over his eggs...Sgt turned his back thwn turned to see messman spitting in his eggs...Sgt climbed over the glass stainless food table and beat the brakes off of him...took a big ass Navy Cheif to drag him off of his cook...I told the Cheif what I had seen...Cheif told us to leave...saw the cook a day later I think the Cheif continued the counciling (beating) in the back of the scullery...
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:43:05 AM EDT
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2 factors come into play when Blacks join the military 1) the community they come from often has the opinion that fighting for "the man" is stupid and 2) going into combat arms will not give them marketable post service skills
You often hear something to the effect " if you are a supply or logistics officer you can get a good job with walmart, etc but you are an infantry officer you cannot find a good job" |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:45:21 AM EDT
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Generally a lot of minorities in general in the "soft jobs." I was an 11B/A...definitely tended to be mostly white. But my supply guys were usually Puerto Ricans... Chem nco was hispanic...etc...but the line guys were generally white with a smattering of others.
http://strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20150820.aspx While this is also true for whites, since the volunteer army was introduced in the 1970s, combat units have been disproportionately full of white kids looking for a few thrills before going off to college (or not, no one knows why this is so). Black and Latino kids prefer military jobs where they can get skills useable in civilian occupations. Part of the issue with Latinos is its not Latinos but Latinas who join in higher percentages. Hispanic men have lower representation rate compared to their percentage in the population |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:49:45 AM EDT
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I was at Ft. Gordon in the early 90's (home of the Signal Corp) and don't recall a disproportionate amount of blacks.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:03:31 AM EDT
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Lotta Brothers in ADA as well. I was in a scout Platoon for 6 years and I bet we had less than 20 the entire time. Some awesome guys in that group though who loved their country and the job. Only three I can remember who were POS.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:10:16 AM EDT
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Dark green Marines in the motorpool.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:12:47 AM EDT
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What black guys? The ones at supply And PAC and NBC |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:12:47 AM EDT
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Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have. It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service.  
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:12:50 AM EDT
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Lots In soft MOS's. 88M is a big one. Fast IET, supposedly less risk, free college.
And that's all I have to say about that. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:15:02 AM EDT
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Cooks, supply, and motorpool. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:16:56 AM EDT
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Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have. It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. LoL, this gon be good. 
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:20:31 AM EDT
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Lots of black guys back in the 68-70 time frame. Probably at least 20% on infantry patrols. Over half of the NCO's were black but not one black officer I recall. We did have one black medic in my unit. ymmv
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:47:04 AM EDT
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Admin positions(CBPO,PERSCO), Services, and Supply and Veh Ops before they went contract. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:48:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have. It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. Is that you Dave_A...Lol.. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:49:52 AM EDT
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Artillery
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:52:27 AM EDT
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Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have. It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. I've never met a signal dork re-enactor before, what do you guys do during larp-war? Review black and white furry porn? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:54:17 AM EDT
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There were a bunch in arty units in the Marines.
5th Battalion, 11th Marines was known colloquially as Jive Eleven. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:54:25 AM EDT
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Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have. It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors and genders for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. There was a 96B (now 35F, All-Source Analyst) in an old unit of mine that had a sub-60 ASVAB score. Not sure what her line scores were. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:03:35 AM EDT
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I got killed one year during our 2 weeks in Arkansas. I had to go sit for most of the day at Mortuary Affairs. The soldier I saw other than us other dead ones was one single black pfc. So I can say that when it comes to my experience with that job it was 100% black.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:05:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 factors come into play when Blacks join the military 1) the community they come from often has the opinion that fighting for "the man" is stupid and 2) going into combat arms will not give them marketable post service skills Exactly who told you about our double secret community meetings where they were told fighting for the man is stupid  Ill begin Negro card revocation proceedings at once.  Im guessing, MOS selection is a direct function of opportunities offered by the recruiter based strictly on their test scores. Nothing more, nothing less.No bg government conspiracy, no Black anti man conspiracy. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:17:04 AM EDT
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I've never met a signal dork re-enactor before, what do you guys do during larp-war? Review black and white furry porn? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have. It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. I've never met a signal dork re-enactor before, what do you guys do during larp-war? Review black and white furry porn? WTF I was just pointing out they are two different Corps within the Army hence the different in insignia. Meant nothing offensive by it and thanked for service. Only meant to say you must not have been in those specialties since you didn't know they were different. got to admit that Signal was probably the best place to get trained on the actual work of setting up fiber optics back in the 90s. I don't review furry porn. I've seen some fuzzy porn before but I stay away from the stuff with furry bears. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:21:26 AM EDT
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Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have. It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. Huh. Funny. Coulda sworn my MOS at the time was 98C Electronic Warfare Signals Intelligence Analyst. Guess my years with the 704th MI Bde, the 102nd MI Bn and the 703rd MI Bde along with various TDY missions were wrong. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:22:24 AM EDT
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WTF I was just pointing out they are two different Corps within the Army hence the different in insignia. Meant nothing offensive by it and thanked for service. Only meant to say you must not have been in those specialties since you didn't know they were different. got to admit that Signal was probably the best place to get trained on the actual work of setting up fiber optics back in the 90s. I don't review furry porn. I've seen some fuzzy porn before but I stay away from the stuff with furry bears. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have. It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. I've never met a signal dork re-enactor before, what do you guys do during larp-war? Review black and white furry porn? WTF I was just pointing out they are two different Corps within the Army hence the different in insignia. Meant nothing offensive by it and thanked for service. Only meant to say you must not have been in those specialties since you didn't know they were different. got to admit that Signal was probably the best place to get trained on the actual work of setting up fiber optics back in the 90s. I don't review furry porn. I've seen some fuzzy porn before but I stay away from the stuff with furry bears. Lol, no worries. I've been in one but been assigned to both
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:24:18 AM EDT
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Cooks, supply, and motorpool. This, in addition to drill sgts/black hats. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:30:27 AM EDT
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I was Infantry and aviation for over 12 years in the Army (2002-2014). I've had about 4-5 blacks in any of my platoons total.
Most were cooks, signal, supply. Jobs where they wouldn't have to risk their lives for "the man" is my guess. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:31:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never met a signal dork re-enactor before, what do you guys do during larp-war? Review black and white furry porn? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Signal has the same irregular smattering of black Americans that other intel gigs have. It's hard to judge right now, as in 2005-2009 GT score waivers were provided to stupid people of all colors for many jobs that need intelligent people. The Army is not effective at removing people from jobs they have no business being in. Signal is not an "intell gig". Counter Signals Intelligence is but not Signal. You can tell by the Class A Uniform Branch Insignia. Signal:Two signal flags crossed, dexter flag white with a red center, the sinister flag red with a white center, staffs gold, with a flaming torch of gold color metal upright at center of crossed flags; 22 millimeters (7/8 inch) in height. The enlisted version is entirely gold color metal. MI; On a gold color metal dagger, point up, 32 millimeters (1 1/4 inches) overall in height, a gold color metal heraldic sun composed of four straight and four wavy alternating rays surmounted by a gold heraldic rose, the petals are dark blue enamel. The enlisted version lacks the enamel. But thank you for your non-MI non-Signal Corps service. I've never met a signal dork re-enactor before, what do you guys do during larp-war? Review black and white furry porn? MI branch insignia is so awesome it was bogarted by Battlestar Galactica. ETA: exactly one black guy in our Collection & Jamming platoon, two in our Analyst platoon, and four in our GSR platoon. Our motor pool was a lot darker and for some reason SFC Alston wrote up all his black mechanics for Arcom end of tour awards while his white mechanics only got AAMS, but that's none of my business. |
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