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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:30:43 PM EDT
[#1]
Dodge the draft or dont, I don't care.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:30:58 PM EDT
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In another of my epic threads that challenge your very ethos...it was generally agreed that compulsory service to the State was unamerican and antithetical to freedom. What then of drafts in a free country? Just because a government says it is ok, does that mean it is? Shall you all fight Obama's wars at his whim or would you refuse because of free will? What about Vietnam Era draft dodgers? No. There are no heroes. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:33:20 PM EDT
[#3]
This should be fun.
Eta. I started a thread once about feeling proud about the day I signed as an adult. Did not go the way I thought. 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:34:22 PM EDT
[#4]
Drafts makes for a lot of conscripts who don't want to be there...
Not sure if I'd trust those people to cover my back 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:35:54 PM EDT
[#5]
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Drafts makes for a lot of conscripts who don't want to be there... Not sure if I'd trust those people to cover my back Pretty much sums it up. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:37:02 PM EDT
[#6]
Your poll is full of AIDS, OP.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:37:25 PM EDT
[#7]
Heroes to those who think the war is unjust or that war is evil.
Traitors to those who are patriotic or believe that war is necessary to counter a threat (think Pearl Harbor) |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:37:54 PM EDT
[#8]
Compulsory military service is a form of slavery. People who evade it are protecting their rights, but I wouldn't say it rises to the level of heroism.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:38:22 PM EDT
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No. There are no heroes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In another of my epic threads that challenge your very ethos...it was generally agreed that compulsory service to the State was unamerican and antithetical to freedom. What then of drafts in a free country? Just because a government says it is ok, does that mean it is? Shall you all fight Obama's wars at his whim or would you refuse because of free will? What about Vietnam Era draft dodgers? No. There are no heroes. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:39:41 PM EDT
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No.
Being a hero is about putting others before yourself. It is about doing something that most would never do, which is way outside your comfort zone and accepting the likelihood that you are probably going to die in the act of saving others fully aware that nobody might ever know about your sacrifice, fear, pain and emotional distress you may suffer as you commit yourself to the task at hand. Running away from something, because you can, does not a hero make. Not in by any measure. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:40:19 PM EDT
[#11]
Why in the hell would I respect draft dodgers, in general?
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:42:45 PM EDT
[#12]
Draft dodgers are cowards......
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:43:00 PM EDT
[#13]
Polls says OP is a tard.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:43:35 PM EDT
[#14]
Their hero's to the enemy .
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:44:06 PM EDT
[#15]
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Their hero's to the enemy . Huh? |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:46:15 PM EDT
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They're heroes to the enemy . Good effort though, champ. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:46:34 PM EDT
[#17]
Oh, and in on 1.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:46:44 PM EDT
[#18]
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Polls says OP is a tard. They hate me cause they anus. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:58:11 PM EDT
[#19]
If the government is giving me no choice in participation, it's nothing I want to be a part of.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:58:22 PM EDT
[#20]
Not heroes, but not villains, either. No man should be forced into the service of another.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:58:57 PM EDT
[#21]
I voted for everything... just because i could.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 6:59:53 PM EDT
[#22]
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I voted for everything... just because i could. You complete me. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:00:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Obvious troll is obvious.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:04:56 PM EDT
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I voted for everything... just because i could. Funny, so did I... |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:07:15 PM EDT
[#25]
Looking at what happened in the other thread you started, the cognitive dissonance here is... well... expected I guess. You've made your point.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:07:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:10:50 PM EDT
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Drafts makes for a lot of conscripts who don't want to be there... Not sure if I'd trust those people to cover my back Oh bullshit..... WWII had plenty of draftees who were real heroes....hard fighters.... Some 17yr old enlistee full of delusions of grandeur is more likely to piss his pants and hide....an older guy with a wife and kids at home knows what he is fighting for and his maturity held many units together in WW2 Korea and Vietnam |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:14:29 PM EDT
[#28]
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Oh bullshit..... WWII had plenty of draftees who were real heroes....hard fighters.... Some 17yr old enlistee full of delusions of grandeur is more likely to piss his pants and hide....an older guy with a wife and kids at home knows what he is fighting for and his maturity held many units together in WW2 Korea and Vietnam Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drafts makes for a lot of conscripts who don't want to be there... Not sure if I'd trust those people to cover my back Oh bullshit..... WWII had plenty of draftees who were real heroes....hard fighters.... Some 17yr old enlistee full of delusions of grandeur is more likely to piss his pants and hide....an older guy with a wife and kids at home knows what he is fighting for and his maturity held many units together in WW2 Korea and Vietnam So, you'd trust the current crop of reality TV addicted, borderline retarded SJW's and entitled crybabies to cover your ass behind enemy lines? |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:15:12 PM EDT
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Polls says OP is a tard. What do you expect from a person who's user name is a Stinky oil. That hippies used to think was great in the late 60's 70's. Some old hippies still wear that shit. Just means Drug User to me ! 
Oh they were fucking cowards, and Carter should have been crucified for pardoning them!
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:15:53 PM EDT
[#30]
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Oh bullshit..... WWII had plenty of draftees who were real heroes....hard fighters.... Some 17yr old enlistee full of delusions of grandeur is more likely to piss his pants and hide....an older guy with a wife and kids at home knows what he is fighting for and his maturity held many units together in WW2 Korea and Vietnam Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drafts makes for a lot of conscripts who don't want to be there... Not sure if I'd trust those people to cover my back Oh bullshit..... WWII had plenty of draftees who were real heroes....hard fighters.... Some 17yr old enlistee full of delusions of grandeur is more likely to piss his pants and hide....an older guy with a wife and kids at home knows what he is fighting for and his maturity held many units together in WW2 Korea and Vietnam Audie Murphy says you're full of it. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:16:29 PM EDT
[#31]
FFS are all your threads like this? The other one you started, you wanted kids to do forced labor. Now, you're talking about draft dodgers as being heroes.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:17:06 PM EDT
[#32]
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What do you expect from a person who's user name is a Stinky oil. That hippies used to think was great in the late 60's 70's. Some old hippies still wear that shit. Just means Drug User to me !
Oh they were fucking cowards, and Carter should have been crucified for pardoning them!Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Polls says OP is a tard. What do you expect from a person who's user name is a Stinky oil. That hippies used to think was great in the late 60's 70's. Some old hippies still wear that shit. Just means Drug User to me !
Oh they were fucking cowards, and Carter should have been crucified for pardoning them!Lol. America where everyone should be forced to kill folks they don't know because a politician says they should. Let freedom ring. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:17:38 PM EDT
[#33]
My dad was failing college in late 1964 and he knew would be drafted into the army. He dodged the draft by joing the USMC.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:18:20 PM EDT
[#34]
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FFS are all your threads like this? The other one you started, you wanted kids to do forced labor. Now, you're talking about draft dodgers as being heroes. 
Sleep on it Unk. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:18:33 PM EDT
[#35]
Drafts should only be used to protect US soil, not for other countries battles.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FFS are all your threads like this? The other one you started, you wanted kids to do forced labor. Now, you're talking about draft dodgers as being heroes. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:25:19 PM EDT
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He's showing us all how smart he is. You are supposed to read these troll threads and come to some "ah ha!" libertarian awakening Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FFS are all your threads like this? The other one you started, you wanted kids to do forced labor. Now, you're talking about draft dodgers as being heroes. Or just realize you're intellectually incongruent. Nobody should be forced to pick cotton, my friend. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:28:04 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or just realize you're intellectually incongruent. Nobody should be forced to pick cotton, my friend. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: FFS are all your threads like this? The other one you started, you wanted kids to do forced labor. Now, you're talking about draft dodgers as being heroes. Or just realize you're intellectually incongruent. Nobody should be forced to pick cotton, my friend. So society has absolutely no ability to compel you to put down the hookah and fight? |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:30:35 PM EDT
[#39]
I'm a Baby Boomer, born in 1946 and faced the draft just like everyone my age, when I got reclassified 1A the time from reclassification to draft notice was running about 2 weeks, so I promptly went in and joined, draftees were in a bad position, if you joined you were in a lot better position.
I didn't know of anyone personally who dodged the draft, but in my opinion draft dodgers are the scum of the earth. There were a number of options available to anyone who didn't want to be in combat for religious reasons etc, no need to leave the country or anything like that. If they were just too chicken to face combat, all they had to do was volunteer and then choose a specialty that would keep them out of combat. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:31:44 PM EDT
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Pretty much sums it up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Drafts makes for a lot of conscripts who don't want to be there... Not sure if I'd trust those people to cover my back Pretty much sums it up. Yup |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:31:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Are we talking about the military draft or your imaginary draft that has them working on bridges and shit?
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:32:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Aimless.
You're right... it's very wrong to make a kid shovel dirt. But send him to a musty jungle to die for dominoes and it's all good. Shovel=bad Punji stakes=good Got it. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:32:58 PM EDT
[#43]
I wouldn't go so far as calling Ted Nugent a hero.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:33:05 PM EDT
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Are we talking about the military draft or your imaginary draft that has them working on bridges and shit? Excellent question. Search within yourself to find the answer. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:34:42 PM EDT
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No. Being a hero is about putting others before yourself. It is about doing something that most would never do, which is way outside your comfort zone and accepting the likelihood that you are probably going to die in the act of saving others fully aware that nobody might ever know about your sacrifice, fear, pain and emotional distress you may suffer as you commit yourself to the task at hand. Running away from something, because you can, does not a hero make. Not in by any measure. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:35:55 PM EDT
[#46]
In the classical American paradigm, men have a duty to resist unjust laws. Shall we condemn people for fulfilling their duty?
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:37:00 PM EDT
[#47]
Depends on if the draft is for a just cause or not.
If it's for the survival of our nation (WW2) then dodging is kinda cowardly. If it's for a pointless political war(vietnam) then I have no issue with dodgers. I wouldn't wanna go die in the jungle due to the lies and fear mongering of some politician. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:17:14 PM EDT
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Not heroes, but not villains, either. No man should be forced into the service of another. What if you are writing a Constitution in 1861? |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:23:30 PM EDT
[#49]
Well...
If every able bodied American between the ages of 17 and 45, that isn't in the military or organized militia, constitutes the militia of the United States, it doesn't seem unreasonable that in times of national need certain members of the militia could be ordered to active service. Unless your a pussy, then it seems scary. Guns and haircuts and showering with men and five-mile runs and rooming with brown people and strangers yelling at you. I've seen Full Metal Jacket it was pretty rough stuff. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:24:59 PM EDT
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"My enemy's enemy is my enemy's enemy." Or whatever the heck Dick Tracy said.
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