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Your from Cali...you wouldn't know what a real burger is View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Glock is Like the In-N-Out Burger of firearms Doesn't matter how shitty of a firearm it is, people will fap to it anyway ... Wait a minute, you think In-N-Out burgers are shitty? Your credibility has been irreparably harmed. Your from Cali...you wouldn't know what a real burger is Just a moment to clarify, I am from Washington, I live in California. I am not from this shithole state. This thread is now about burgers. |
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More like the mcdonalds or dennys of firearms. The crown vic, the f150 of handguns. It's like an ak47; designed for the tribsman that has to be told not to shit in the village well water. It was made for the masses, just like the 1911 was at some point. However the 1911 has aged with grace, and a well build 1911 is the best .45 platform available, save the all stainless p220 (sorry, plastic .45s suck after 100rds). The glock is one of the great 9mm platforms though, I carried a g19 for a long time, now I carry a p30. HK, the best of both worlds IMHO. Gonna jazz this thread up with some HK and Kimber love! http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/2014-04-26_11_15_49.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/20150725_160455.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Glock is Like the In-N-Out Burger of firearms More like the mcdonalds or dennys of firearms. The crown vic, the f150 of handguns. It's like an ak47; designed for the tribsman that has to be told not to shit in the village well water. It was made for the masses, just like the 1911 was at some point. However the 1911 has aged with grace, and a well build 1911 is the best .45 platform available, save the all stainless p220 (sorry, plastic .45s suck after 100rds). The glock is one of the great 9mm platforms though, I carried a g19 for a long time, now I carry a p30. HK, the best of both worlds IMHO. Gonna jazz this thread up with some HK and Kimber love! http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/2014-04-26_11_15_49.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/20150725_160455.jpg Kimber |
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If only people cared so much about their handgunnery as they do about their handguns... A lot of these "my gun is best" jokers seem to want to lean on a gun instead of relying on their training. Because they don't train. The 9 vs 45 and Glock vs 1911 debates are only differences in design philosophy and user needs, but they get blown up into these huge purse swinging fights because dudes want to be able place trust in their guns to do the job for them because deep down they know they can't trust in themselves. A slight against their model is a slight against their handgunnery because they know they don't bring much to the table besides the gun. Buying "the best" gun for defense, carry, or duty, and shooting 100 rounds out of it a year is the wrong answer. I know a lot of people reading this are guilty because I used to be guilty of the same thing. And back then I had very strong opinions on what gun was the best. View Quote |
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Have a le 5906 and a le glock 17 Glock jumped and broke the locking bar . 5906 will kill a man unloaded, handles hot loads like a beast and is not choosy on ammo. I also like the mag disconnect, decock and manual safety. But that's just me .. Also somthing sexy about an all stainless gun http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/f1/CollateralS%26W5906-3.jpg Oh, yeah... http://i57.tinypic.com/2m6pdt2.jpg |
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Ill take my 19 over a 17 anyday. But its not like the 17 isnt a good choice of firearm.
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Just a moment to clarify, I am from Washington, I live in California. I am not from this shithole state. This thread is now about burgers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Glock is Like the In-N-Out Burger of firearms Doesn't matter how shitty of a firearm it is, people will fap to it anyway ... Wait a minute, you think In-N-Out burgers are shitty? Your credibility has been irreparably harmed. Your from Cali...you wouldn't know what a real burger is Just a moment to clarify, I am from Washington, I live in California. I am not from this shithole state. This thread is now about burgers. Yay burgers. In-N-Out burgers are overrated. I had one while in Dallas and, unless they're different in California, it wasn't anything special. I prefer Whataburger myself but I am from Texas. I had a Smashburger last week and it was pretty good too. |
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This. And who were you that you were allowed to take and carry non-issued weapon? Also, in my AO, the IPs carried G19s... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it. http://i.imgur.com/Jvp2AmT.jpg Pics of dead cop, the Glock you pulled off his body and your DD214 or it never happened. This. And who were you that you were allowed to take and carry non-issued weapon? Also, in my AO, the IPs carried G19s... The ING in my area used issued Walthers, whoever the fuck wanted to could carry one as long as it hadn't been previously issued. Nobody gave two hoots. The same with G17 pistols in Afghanistan. This all depends on the command and involved assumed risk. If you work and play with adults, you usually get to use adult rules. |
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Have a le 5906 and a le glock 17 Glock jumped and broke the locking bar . 5906 will kill a man unloaded, handles hot loads like a beast and is not choosy on ammo. I also like the mag disconnect, decock and manual safety. But that's just me .. Also somthing sexy about an all stainless gun http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/f1/CollateralS%26W5906-3.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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S&W 5906 over glock 17 Any day The boss's old LE issued 5906(currently a range gun) had to go back to S&W several times after only a few thousand rounds. Also, the slide mounted safety consistently breaks off, leaving jagged ass edges to cut the living shit out of people who rent it. Always a bloody mess. Have a le 5906 and a le glock 17 Glock jumped and broke the locking bar . 5906 will kill a man unloaded, handles hot loads like a beast and is not choosy on ammo. I also like the mag disconnect, decock and manual safety. But that's just me .. Also somthing sexy about an all stainless gun http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/f1/CollateralS%26W5906-3.jpg but... but, slide-mounted safety. |
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Why not beretta? Surely they have been tested more than a glock
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G19 > G17
To me the G19 is a very well rounded handgun, it doesnt really excel at anything, but it doesn't have any real shortcomings either. It's not my favorite handgun, but due to several features (price point, simplicity, etc.) it's often my first choice for defense. |
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If only people cared so much about their handgunnery as they do about their handguns... A lot of these "my gun is best" jokers seem to want to lean on a gun instead of relying on their training. Because they don't train. The 9 vs 45 and Glock vs 1911 debates are only differences in design philosophy and user needs, but they get blown up into these huge purse swinging fights because dudes want to be able place trust in their guns to do the job for them because deep down they know they can't trust in themselves. A slight against their model is a slight against their handgunnery because they know they don't bring much to the table besides the gun. Buying "the best" gun for defense, carry, or duty, and shooting 100 rounds out of it a year is the wrong answer. I know a lot of people reading this are guilty because I used to be guilty of the same thing. And back then I had very strong opinions on what gun was the best. I agree as well. |
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I've owned and shot MANY 1911's in the last 40 years. '
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Lol. Ignoring someone because you have bad burger etiquette. K View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Your from Cali...you wouldn't know what a real burger is Educate us Texan If a burger is recommended by having it covered in XYZ sauce, it's just a shitty burger. Sauce is a cover up http://oi58.tinypic.com/2hgvmlk.jpg I don't actually ignore anyone |
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I enjoy my 17. Night sights, adjustable trigger and all sorts of other goodies. Great shooter. Only have 5 more years with it though, promised my niece a long time ago I'd give it to her on her 16th birthday.
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S&W 5906 over glock 17 Any day The boss's old LE issued 5906(currently a range gun) had to go back to S&W several times after only a few thousand rounds. Also, the slide mounted safety consistently breaks off, leaving jagged ass edges to cut the living shit out of people who rent it. Always a bloody mess. Have a le 5906 and a le glock 17 Glock jumped and broke the locking bar . 5906 will kill a man unloaded, handles hot loads like a beast and is not choosy on ammo. I also like the mag disconnect, decock and manual safety. But that's just me .. Also somthing sexy about an all stainless gun http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/f1/CollateralS%26W5906-3.jpg but... but, slide-mounted safety. No problem for my hands |
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My favorite Glock without question, always liked fullsize guns better.
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The 92 is a good open carry gun but it's huge for ccw. I like the way they shoot, but the way they carry is suboptimal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol that Tupperware has nothing on the beretta 92 line. The 92 is a good open carry gun but it's huge for ccw. I like the way they shoot, but the way they carry is suboptimal. The 92 is a great gun to shoot and I would say they are just as tested and reliable as a Glock, but you are right. It's too big for concealed carry. |
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The 92 is a great gun to shoot and I would say they are just as tested and reliable as a Glock, but you are right. It's too big for concealed carry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol that Tupperware has nothing on the beretta 92 line. The 92 is a good open carry gun but it's huge for ccw. I like the way they shoot, but the way they carry is suboptimal. The 92 is a great gun to shoot and I would say they are just as tested and reliable as a Glock, but you are right. It's too big for concealed carry. Just as tested? Lol I don't see the military ever buying glocks. And it's all in the holster when it comes to carry |
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Just as tested? Lol I don't see the military ever buying glocks. And it's all in the holster when it comes to carry View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol that Tupperware has nothing on the beretta 92 line. The 92 is a good open carry gun but it's huge for ccw. I like the way they shoot, but the way they carry is suboptimal. The 92 is a great gun to shoot and I would say they are just as tested and reliable as a Glock, but you are right. It's too big for concealed carry. Just as tested? Lol I don't see the military ever buying glocks. And it's all in the holster when it comes to carry What does military purchasing have to do with a pistols vetting and track record? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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What does military purchasing have to do with a pistols vetting and track record? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote The title says "most tested." How many wars has the G17 been to as a primary service pistol? The M1911, the M9, the BHP, and probably a few other pistols all have the G17 beat by that metric. |
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The title says "most tested." How many wars has the G17 been to as a primary service pistol? The M1911, the M9, the BHP, and probably a few other pistols all have the G17 beat by that metric. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What does military purchasing have to do with a pistols vetting and track record? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The title says "most tested." How many wars has the G17 been to as a primary service pistol? The M1911, the M9, the BHP, and probably a few other pistols all have the G17 beat by that metric. Service pistols don't get a lot of airtime in combat. If you want to look at actual use, I'd go with what law enforcement entities issue and follow those records. |
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WRONG S&W model 10 is View Quote Good point. In a way the Model 10 was the G17 of it's day. Probably from sometime in the 1930's to 1980 it was the "standard". Granted it wasn't the "official" pistol of the military but it was found everywhere. Police officers, MP's, Pilots, etc.. Around 6 million were produced of some variation. It wasn't sexy like the 1911, but it was utilitarian, reliable, and got the job done for a good price.....Very analogous to the G17 today. |
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If you only count half-way relevant testing and not stupid Chuck Taylor-esque bullshit, the Glock probably hasn't been tested more or less than any of a number of service pistols.
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Service pistols don't get a lot of airtime in combat. If you want to look at actual use, I'd go with what law enforcement entities issue and follow those records. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What does military purchasing have to do with a pistols vetting and track record? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The title says "most tested." How many wars has the G17 been to as a primary service pistol? The M1911, the M9, the BHP, and probably a few other pistols all have the G17 beat by that metric. Service pistols don't get a lot of airtime in combat. If you want to look at actual use, I'd go with what law enforcement entities issue and follow those records. Have you ever bought a police surplus pistol? They don't exactly see a lot of "airtime" either. Besides, cops issue the cheapest, not the best. If Hi Point gave PD's a better deal than Glock, you'd see a ton of them on the street. |
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Just as tested? Lol I don't see the military ever buying glocks. And it's all in the holster when it comes to carry View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol that Tupperware has nothing on the beretta 92 line. The 92 is a good open carry gun but it's huge for ccw. I like the way they shoot, but the way they carry is suboptimal. The 92 is a great gun to shoot and I would say they are just as tested and reliable as a Glock, but you are right. It's too big for concealed carry. Just as tested? Lol I don't see the military ever buying glocks. And it's all in the holster when it comes to carry The only reason why berettas were purchased in the first place was so we could keep our missile bases in Italy. |
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This. And who were you that you were allowed to take and carry non-issued weapon? Also, in my AO, the IPs carried G19s... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it. http://i.imgur.com/Jvp2AmT.jpg Pics of dead cop, the Glock you pulled off his body and your DD214 or it never happened. This. And who were you that you were allowed to take and carry non-issued weapon? Also, in my AO, the IPs carried G19s... It was G19's in mine also and from other posts it seems to vary what was issued. The most important part though was that all those guns were bank rolled by our gov. So pulling it off of a "dead" Iraqi sounds stupid and pointless. A section leader in my unit had a G19 that was confiscated and our unit had a couple of Iraqi Police Jeep Liberty's that we somehow neglected to give out. The dead cop story sounds a little much and would be unnecessary given the access most soldiers had to confiscated gats and .mil handouts. |
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Have you ever bought a police surplus pistol? They don't exactly see a lot of "airtime" either. Besides, cops issue the cheapest, not the best. If Hi Point gave PD's a better deal than Glock, you'd see a ton of them on the street. View Quote I was just throwing it out there. I mean, most military service pistols are carried a lot more often than they're used save for qualifications. I've seen a lot more instances recorded from just the nightly news that tells me the same is not true of law enforcement service pistols. My opinion: the second major point of disparity between the two is training and qualification rates and associated wear of their issued service weapons. This qualification and training information would more difficult to determine especially at local levels. But I also posit that it is higher with law enforcement, here is why I state that: it is their primary system, with long arms being secondary for specific and special uses. Outside of special operations and military law enforcement, the exact opposite is true in the military. I also posit that law enforcement isn't issued "the cheapest", they are issued (much like other large organizations) equipment that meets standards of: reliability, cost, performance, capacity, adaptability, ergonomics, and functionality (as well as other requirements). This is why they aren't issued Stars, Jennings, or Hi-Points. |
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It was G19's in mine also and from other posts it seems to vary what was issued. The most important part though was that all those guns were bank rolled by our gov. So pulling it off of a "dead" Iraqi sounds stupid and pointless. A section leader in my unit had a G19 that was confiscated and our unit had a couple of Iraqi Police Jeep Liberty's that we somehow neglected to give out. The dead cop story sounds a little much and would be unnecessary given the access most soldiers had to confiscated gats and .mil handouts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The glock 17 is the most tested, most reliable, most proven handgun ever made. Discuss Yup. It's the Toyota Camry of guns. In other words completely soulless A Camry has a soul. When you leave the headlights on and go eat dinner and it still starts when you come back out, that is soul. When you forget to change the oil for 10k and it doesn't skip a beat, that is soul too. An Alfa Romeo, regularly lauded for having "soul" because it is falling apart as you drive, will leave you on the side of the road regularly. I know which type of firearm I would prefer to rely on when I need it. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy the Alfa at the range either though. |
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A Camry has a soul. When you leave the headlights on and go eat dinner and it still starts when you come back out, that is soul. When you forget to change the oil for 10k and it doesn't skip a beat, that is soul too. An Alfa Romeo, regularly lauded for having "soul" because it is falling apart as you drive, will leave you on the side of the road regularly. I know which type of firearm I would prefer to rely on when I need it. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy the Alfa at the range either though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The glock 17 is the most tested, most reliable, most proven handgun ever made. Discuss Yup. It's the Toyota Camry of guns. In other words completely soulless A Camry has a soul. When you leave the headlights on and go eat dinner and it still starts when you come back out, that is soul. When you forget to change the oil for 10k and it doesn't skip a beat, that is soul too. An Alfa Romeo, regularly lauded for having "soul" because it is falling apart as you drive, will leave you on the side of the road regularly. I know which type of firearm I would prefer to rely on when I need it. It doesn't mean I don't enjoy the Alfa at the range either though. First: This shit again? Second: You've got some wires crossed. When people talk about "soul" in reference to inanimate objects, they're anthropomorphizing them in a sort of way. This hinges on that object having some kind of perceived character. Alfa's are said to have soul because there's a perception that "if you make it happy, it'll make you happy." Turn that wrench, and it'll reward you with a glorious exhaust note and a nice afternoon of motoring. A late model Camry is the automotive antithesis of soul. There are many like it, and they have no character. Camry owners have no interest in the machines they're operating, and aside from getting from A to B, there's not much rewarding or interesting about the experience of driving one. A firearms example? I'd say my 1942 Springfield Armory M1 Garand has "soul." It was built by craftsmen in a factory. Even when it came of the line, it wasn't entirely the same as the examples next to it. Then it gradually became more interesting after all the places it went and the things it did in the following years. It's not the most practical of tools these days, but it's interesting to examine looking at the grain of the wood, the tool marks, and the various dings, and it's rewarding to shoot (after you heft it to the range and carefully load a clip, of course). My G17? There isn't really anything interesting to it. It's a piece of machine milled steel sitting on a molded plastic frame. It's the same as the other guns came off that line, it hasn't been anywhere, and it's not particularly rewarding to shoot. You look down those crude, cheap sights and pull that crappy trigger, and the result is average recoil and average accuracy. |
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The exhaust on my motorcycle will melt Glocks. That's why I carry a 1911 in an ankle holster.
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