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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:19:29 AM EDT
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Thanks John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ETA: Oh, just to let you know..........I'm thinking maybe the Shield nowadays might have been changed a bit as to stiff springs............it really isn't that bad on mine and the trigger isn't bad at stock either. Magazine spring a bit stiff but not real bad IMHO. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:29:40 AM EDT
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I like how emotionally invested people get in handgun arguments. I bought my first Glock for use on the tractor, I didn't want to brushhog my CGW'd 75B.
 Since then I've sold everything but a G17 and a G19, I'll probably end up with a handful of 19s and that's it. To me they're utilitarian and the G19 is just a great sized handgun for all around use.Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:34:53 AM EDT
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I like how emotionally invested people get in handgun arguments. I bought my first Glock for use on the tractor, I didn't want to brushhog my CGW'd 75B. Since then I've sold everything but a G17 and a G19, I'll probably end up with a handful of 19s and that's it. To me they're utilitarian and the G19 is just a great sized handgun for all around use.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Until John Wayne told me......I never realized Glocks had some serious problems when configured to use .40 S&W cartridges. I have a couple of Glocks (19 and 20) and they are very nice but not in .40 S&W. (The 20 is less than a year old and the 19 only 2 years old........so I am new to Glocks.) Just never knew about the problems with .40 S&W. GLAD I ASKED!! |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:44:20 AM EDT
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Until John Wayne told me......I never realized Glocks had some serious problems when configured to use .40 S&W cartridges. I have a couple of Glocks (19 and 20) and they are very nice but not in .40 S&W. (The 20 is less than a year old and the 19 only 2 years old........so I am new to Glocks.) Just never knew about the problems with .40 S&W. GLAD I ASKED!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like how emotionally invested people get in handgun arguments. I bought my first Glock for use on the tractor, I didn't want to brushhog my CGW'd 75B. Since then I've sold everything but a G17 and a G19, I'll probably end up with a handful of 19s and that's it. To me they're utilitarian and the G19 is just a great sized handgun for all around use.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Until John Wayne told me......I never realized Glocks had some serious problems when configured to use .40 S&W cartridges. I have a couple of Glocks (19 and 20) and they are very nice but not in .40 S&W. (The 20 is less than a year old and the 19 only 2 years old........so I am new to Glocks.) Just never knew about the problems with .40 S&W. GLAD I ASKED!! 40 is stupid anyways. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 9:00:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glocks have terrible triggers, slippery slides, small contact surfaces, and bend and flex with firing in a way that makes you wonder when they're going to shatter into 1 million pieces, but they don't seem to do so. They come with garbage plastic sights and wherever the slide contacts anything but the metal frame inserts, it starts looking horrifically chewed up after a few hundred rounds. I have described the Glock trigger in the past similar to breaking the tines on a plastic fork. Trigger pull is neither reassuring, constant with every trigger pull, nor is trigger reset anything but vague at best. Everyone who keeps telling me how great the Glock is either gets one that is already a custom, or spends $300 to $500 making one less terrible, then compares it to guns like Sigs, HKs and CZs which they have never owned or could never figure out how to operate, but usually clsim to know the ins and outs of these guns because they saw one at a gun show once. I have owned many Blocks, I have sold all of them except my Vickers G19. BTW, I will disagree with your "terrible trigger" statement. It's a mediocre-average trigger, but not terrible by any means imo. BTW, G19 is my daily carry. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 9:09:14 AM EDT
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............ 40 is stupid anyways. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Well now........I don't know if I'd go that far!! 
But I am thinking I'll just go with 9mm. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 9:15:11 AM EDT
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My G19 works.
I trust my life to it. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 9:20:30 AM EDT
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So how many Nazis has it killed? |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 10:11:48 AM EDT
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LOL which one (only one) had zero parts break? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All those terms are ridiculously loaded with subjective meaning rather than any objective quantification. It's difficult to argue with an article of faith. Lay down some useful metrics and we'll talk. Google glock torture test, then wonder if X handgun could take the abuse Glock 17 Gen 4 50,000 round test (doesn't start off too well but gets better after a fix) HK45 50,000 rounds test HK P30 50,000 round test M&P 50,000 round test Springfield 1911 9mm 50,000 round test There are plenty of handguns out there that work great and are reliable. Glock really isn't special. LOL which one (only one) had zero parts break? Who cares? They all shot 50,000 rounds plus. Plastic and metal wear out with wear. Glock couldn't even be bothered to put the correct parts in the gun at first. Does that mean the Glock was a POS? |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 10:17:16 AM EDT
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My 17 will fail often with ammo that the M&P, 226, G19 all run fine on.  such as... such as....the g17 sufferers many fail to feed, while (M&P, Sig226, Browning BDM and G19) all run the same ammo. Admittedly the ammo is a bit under powdered, and the g17 will run on hotter ammo. Its just interesting that these other guns run it but the g17 cant. Side note: The HK P2000 will run it but not slide lock 100% Kahr P9 has been 100% but will not shoot this ammo either. My Beretta cx4 will run it without issue. Based on my experience, I cannot agree with your "most reliable" statement. I bought the g17, I like the g17, I just wish it shot like the g19. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 10:29:46 AM EDT
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And the Borchardt has been around longer than both... whats your point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1911 has been around alot longer. And the Borchardt has been around longer than both... whats your point. But the 1911 after 100 years is still a very popular design still being built by many companies. Very rare to achieve this. Remington pistol designs made 100 years ago are no longer made. The only other guns I can think with this loyalty are Mauser rifles. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 10:35:47 AM EDT
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1911 has been around alot longer. So has the Colt Walker..... Doesnt make it better...... 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 10:43:18 AM EDT
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If we compare it to a stock G17 at least the sights don't fall off, the trigger doesn't break like a staple gun, you can do tactical reloads with a full magazine without having to push hard, and depending on which generation Glock we're comparing to you don't have to worry about it slipping out of your hand like a wet bar of soap or having to replace parts so it doesn't sling brass at your face. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you ever heard of something called a Browning Hi Power? Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. Wat |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 11:01:52 AM EDT
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Pics of dead cop, the Glock you pulled off his body and your DD214 or it never happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it.
http://i.imgur.com/Jvp2AmT.jpg Pics of dead cop, the Glock you pulled off his body and your DD214 or it never happened. This. And who were you that you were allowed to take and carry non-issued weapon? Also, in my AO, the IPs carried G19s... |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 11:09:27 AM EDT
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Who cares? They all shot 50,000 rounds plus. Plastic and metal wear out with wear. Glock couldn't even be bothered to put the correct parts in the gun at first. Does that mean the Glock was a POS? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All those terms are ridiculously loaded with subjective meaning rather than any objective quantification. It's difficult to argue with an article of faith. Lay down some useful metrics and we'll talk. Google glock torture test, then wonder if X handgun could take the abuse Glock 17 Gen 4 50,000 round test (doesn't start off too well but gets better after a fix) HK45 50,000 rounds test HK P30 50,000 round test M&P 50,000 round test Springfield 1911 9mm 50,000 round test There are plenty of handguns out there that work great and are reliable. Glock really isn't special. LOL which one (only one) had zero parts break? Who cares? They all shot 50,000 rounds plus. Plastic and metal wear out with wear. Glock couldn't even be bothered to put the correct parts in the gun at first. Does that mean the Glock was a POS? You've been here long enough to know that fanbois will jump on anyone that brings reality into a discussion like this. Watch them flip out and explain away how easy it is to limp wrist a glock. 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 11:12:19 AM EDT
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My 17 will fail often with ammo that the M&P, 226, G19 all run fine on. How many dremel felt pads did you use on that trigger job? 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 11:13:37 AM EDT
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All that testing and still not as good as the CZ75...
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Posted: 8/4/2015 11:20:25 AM EDT
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It's easy to explain the the glock limp wrist failure.
Us fanboys jerk off to the thought of glock so much that our forearms look like Popeyes and it's simply impossible for us to limp wrist our glocks. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 11:28:53 AM EDT
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nice going OP lol
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:03:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wat Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Have you ever heard of something called a Browning Hi Power? Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. Wat |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:37:20 PM EDT
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Glock mags are jammed so tight that it takes way more force to seat the magazine when the slide is closed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you ever heard of something called a Browning Hi Power? Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. Wat On dear. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:38:11 PM EDT
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JMB thinks OP is wrong. How do we know what JMB thinks? He's dead Jim. 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:41:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:45:12 PM EDT
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Mine goes bang with boring reliability and I rarely have to clean it. I'm happy.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:46:01 PM EDT
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Have you ever heard of something called a Browning Hi Power? Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. Wat I don't have a problem seating a full mag on a closed slide |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:46:32 PM EDT
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Lol that Tupperware has nothing on the beretta 92 line. Only one thing: a consistent trigger pull. And this is coming from a guy who carried a 92F for years on duty. I love me some 92F, but nothing is better than having a consistent trigger pull from shot to shot, especially from the first shot to subsequent shots. A 1911's trigger is sooooo much smoother than a Glock's, which is why the 1911 is the best pistol ever.  
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:47:56 PM EDT
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What a bunch of plastic humping pussies. Can we change that to "Humping a bunch of plastic pussies?" Because a G17 vs M1911 thread is every bit as productive as a circle jerk with fleshlights. Note that not only do I own both Glock and 1911, but I specifically commented on low productivity while posting from work AND complained about how useless a thread is by posting in that thread. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:48:54 PM EDT
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Glock is Like the In-N-Out Burger of firearms Doesn't matter how shitty of a firearm it is, people will fap to it anyway If I walk into a gun store and they have Glock posters, banners, cleaning mats, shirts, stickers, etc plastered all over the walls and floors, I leave. Went to a store like that to buy an M&P and the salesman kept trying to get me to buy a Glock, even after I refused to even look at one. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:49:03 PM EDT
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Meh, 19 before 17. This. I like my 17s, but I shoot and carry my 19s more by a factor of probably about 8-10x. No problems with 'em. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:49:51 PM EDT
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JMB thinks OP is wrong. JMB is dead. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:51:05 PM EDT
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1911 Guys  If your sidearm is the only thing you have to set your tent stakes maybe you should be working on other things then setting up your tent.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1911 has been around alot longer. Can you drive tent stakes into hard ground with a Glock? 1911 Guys If your sidearm is the only thing you have to set your tent stakes maybe you should be working on other things then setting up your tent.LOL, can't destroy a tent stake. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:51:35 PM EDT
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Glock owners don't have a gag reflex. my wife owns two Glocks. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:51:43 PM EDT
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This is going to be epic.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:52:38 PM EDT
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JMB thinks OP is wrong. JMB is dead. A spoiler warning would be nice next time. 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:55:14 PM EDT
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But the 1911 after 100 years is still a very popular design still being built by many companies. Very rare to achieve this. Remington pistol designs made 100 years ago are no longer made. The only other guns I can think with this loyalty are Mauser rifles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:56:11 PM EDT
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How can you tell if someone is a Glock fanboi? Don't worry, they'll tell you. Or you could look at their shirt, hat, and probably tattoos |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:58:04 PM EDT
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Gen 3 was the pinnacle of the Glock 17.
There is a thread on TOS discussing what Glock should do for their Gen 5's. Lots of good info and suggestions. I'm not a Glock shooter, but what would work for me: -Go back to 90 degree cut extractors and lower/shave the ejection port to fix the BTF issue -Undercut the trigger housing and shave the finger grooves from the grip -Novak/dovetail the front sight -Front slide serrations -Some type of of trigger block like that device that just came out that fits into the back of the slide (optional but offer it as an option) -Larger trigger housing for those of us in cold climates that often have to wear thick gloves in public -More beveled/opened magwell -Single spring on the guid rod They can keep the plastic sights (I change all my sights anyway). Also possibly offer "Euro" style mag release and change that stupid grip angle (<<<<<main reason I'm not a Glock shooter) |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:00:20 PM EDT
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Glock is Like the In-N-Out Burger of firearms Doesn't matter how shitty of a firearm it is, people will fap to it anyway ... Wait a minute, you think In-N-Out burgers are shitty? Your credibility has been irreparably harmed. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:01:03 PM EDT
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
what generation of perfection are they on now? |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:07:33 PM EDT
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Yup pretty much OPNI. And I LOVE 1911s.
Basically, I look at it this way - let's say the world goes to shit. Like World War 3 and the Second American Civil War War of Northern Aggression at the same time. You can pick up any random Glock 17 or 19, and 99.99999999999999% of the time it will function reliably no matter the condition. You pick up some random 1911 and it'll be a crap shoot. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:10:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait a minute, you think In-N-Out burgers are shitty? Your credibility has been irreparably harmed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Glock is Like the In-N-Out Burger of firearms Doesn't matter how shitty of a firearm it is, people will fap to it anyway ... Wait a minute, you think In-N-Out burgers are shitty? Your credibility has been irreparably harmed. Your from Cali...you wouldn't know what a real burger is |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:12:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:16:36 PM EDT
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The boss's old LE issued 5906(currently a range gun) had to go back to S&W several times after only a few thousand rounds. Also, the slide mounted safety consistently breaks off, leaving jagged ass edges to cut the living shit out of people who rent it. Always a bloody mess.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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S&W 5906 over glock 17 Any day The boss's old LE issued 5906(currently a range gun) had to go back to S&W several times after only a few thousand rounds. Also, the slide mounted safety consistently breaks off, leaving jagged ass edges to cut the living shit out of people who rent it. Always a bloody mess. Have a le 5906 and a le glock 17 Glock jumped and broke the locking bar . 5906 will kill a man unloaded, handles hot loads like a beast and is not choosy on ammo. I also like the mag disconnect, decock and manual safety. But that's just me .. Also somthing sexy about an all stainless gun 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:23:25 PM EDT
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Glock is Like the In-N-Out Burger of firearms Doesn't matter how shitty of a firearm it is, people will fap to it anyway ... Wait a minute, you think In-N-Out burgers are shitty? Your credibility has been irreparably harmed. Your from Cali...you wouldn't know what a real burger is In-N-Out is firmly in the fast food category on price and speed of delivery, but the quality of what they serve beats any fast food burger I've ever had outside of small local places. Big chains? No contest. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:23:54 PM EDT
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What....the....fuck....ever
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:27:03 PM EDT
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How can you tell if someone is a Glock fanboi? Don't worry, they'll tell you. Or you could look at their shirt, hat, and probably tattoos This is true. Glock fans are the obnoxious, arrogant vegans of the firearms world. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:29:59 PM EDT
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Have a le 5906 and a le glock 17 Glock jumped and broke the locking bar . 5906 will kill a man unloaded, handles hot loads like a beast and is not choosy on ammo. I also like the mag disconnect, decock and manual safety. But that's just me .. Also somthing sexy about an all stainless gun
http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/f1/CollateralS%26W5906-3.jpg Oh, yeah... 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:33:07 PM EDT
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I went with the G23. Someday I'll jump on the G19 wagon.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:33:25 PM EDT
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Discuss Making shit up doesn't change the truth. CZ has a broader service history. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:36:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have a le 5906 and a le glock 17 Glock jumped and broke the locking bar . 5906 will kill a man unloaded, handles hot loads like a beast and is not choosy on ammo. I also like the mag disconnect, decock and manual safety. But that's just me .. Also somthing sexy about an all stainless gun http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/f1/CollateralS%26W5906-3.jpg Oh, yeah... http://i57.tinypic.com/2m6pdt2.jpg |
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