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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:07:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. Russia has reportedly under 2000 strategic ready warheads. Reducing that by DOD/GOV scare spending over estimations we have 1500. Reducing that by Russian Bullshitting we have 1000. We will say the Russians have 1000 strat-warheads ready to roll. Not sure if yall are tracking the state of Russian weapon and aircraft maintenance, but lets say that they ONLY use missiles, as we could probs drop their planes. I'll give them 500 operational missiles. How many of those will fail to fire? How many of those will fail to hit their targets? How many of those will fail to detonate, or detonate at the incorrect altitude to be effective? Even with an 80% success rate (super lucky by Russian standards, or even U.S. standards) that's 400 missiles. Lets say they shoot five to ten at each primary target. Target the pentagon, Langley, congress, DIA/FBI/NSA/etc. Camp David, whatever. Whatever they have left is going to missile silos and maybe naval bases. Better off just pummeling the head and making sure you get it done. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Depends on who the war is with. If it's the Russians, and unlimited, no one survives, saturation bombing would leave the USA uninhabitable. Back in the old days they had at least 100 nukes targeted at just the North West part of Montana. According to these guys there are 17,000 nukes in the world. Assuming they are all B-61s is very optimistic, but not knowing any better specifically, I'll assume it. According to this guy A B-61 is good for about 100 sq km of scorched earth and 180 sq km of charred earth. That guy sounds like he doesn't like nukes, so if anything he's overstating the damage. So it sounds like there are enough nukes in the world to burn up 3 million square km or about 1 million square miles. There are 3.5 million square miles in the United States. So if somebody takes the anti-nuke groups numbers (probably more destructive than reality), and spends five minutes putting them together, there are not enough nukes in the world to burn the entire United States once, let alone the entire world five or ten times. Bullshit. Russia has reportedly under 2000 strategic ready warheads. Reducing that by DOD/GOV scare spending over estimations we have 1500. Reducing that by Russian Bullshitting we have 1000. We will say the Russians have 1000 strat-warheads ready to roll. Not sure if yall are tracking the state of Russian weapon and aircraft maintenance, but lets say that they ONLY use missiles, as we could probs drop their planes. I'll give them 500 operational missiles. How many of those will fail to fire? How many of those will fail to hit their targets? How many of those will fail to detonate, or detonate at the incorrect altitude to be effective? Even with an 80% success rate (super lucky by Russian standards, or even U.S. standards) that's 400 missiles. Lets say they shoot five to ten at each primary target. Target the pentagon, Langley, congress, DIA/FBI/NSA/etc. Camp David, whatever. Whatever they have left is going to missile silos and maybe naval bases. Better off just pummeling the head and making sure you get it done. We have top secret bases too, not just russia We have secret support sites also |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:07:16 PM EDT
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if the folks are at their town house, then they don't make it--too many MM silos. if they're at the country house (our BOL), they're OK given the prevailing winds. between preps and available forage, they shouldn't have problems.
i won't be a blast casualty, but i'm dead downwind of dallas. on the fringe, so as long as i'm aware of the attack, i shouldn't have too much trouble with evac. my preps are a mess though--it would take me at least a half-hour to get the car loaded, when it used to be about 10min. then i have to make the trip north. this takes me near several big targets: witchita falls (mil base), denver area, and SLC area. that's a routing problem, and a fuel problem. but about my only nuclear prep is a couple of bottles of potassium...and my NBC mask. i'm probably fucked. 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:08:10 PM EDT
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You're either trolling or crayon eating hungover right now.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:09:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:10:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd rather be vaporized than survive that. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:12:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. No, you don't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You have to factor in over a certain amount of nukes detonated on earth in a short amount of time can kill the planet, cause a nuclear winter, no govt (maybe iran) is going to kill the planet, they kill themselves too No. No, you don't. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:13:11 PM EDT
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I'm 10 minutes driving from StratCom, so I imagine I would have a couple nano seconds to say " Hey, what's that noise........"
I worry more about an EMP than a full scale nuke war. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:14:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you know what a nuclear winter is? It's a planet destroying scenario, if we detonated over 300 large nukes it's going to blot out the sun and kill us all (molst) Thats why short of iran getting hundreds of nukes no one is going full retard The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:15:21 PM EDT
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Yep, but it wasn't global, globally we would send much more material into the atmosphere, it would block sunlight if 1000 large nukes hit globally Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what a nuclear winter is? It's a planet destroying scenario, if we detonated over 300 large nukes it's going to blot out the sun and kill us all (molst) Thats why short of iran getting hundreds of nukes no one is going full retard The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. 300, 1000, "experts". lol |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:16:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're either trolling or crayon eating hungover right now. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:16:38 PM EDT
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You're either trolling or crayon eating hungover right now. I've been pretty insanely hung over. I've never been hung over enough to eat crayons. That would be impressive. And is also my guess between the two options. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:17:16 PM EDT
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You're wrong Those sub launched nukes in combined force can annihilate both china & russia You are forgetting one big giant thing Uk launches ICMBs at who ever attacks us, because they are next in line Canada launches seconds later, France waits 10 minutes but also backs us up (no choice they are all next) There are other powers that would also launch against who ever attacks us, India should and they would take out pakistan too No nuclear weapons. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:17:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 300, 1000, "experts". lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you know what a nuclear winter is? It's a planet destroying scenario, if we detonated over 300 large nukes it's going to blot out the sun and kill us all (molst) Thats why short of iran getting hundreds of nukes no one is going full retard The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. 300, 1000, "experts". lol |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:20:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No nuclear weapons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're wrong Those sub launched nukes in combined force can annihilate both china & russia You are forgetting one big giant thing Uk launches ICMBs at who ever attacks us, because they are next in line Canada launches seconds later, France waits 10 minutes but also backs us up (no choice they are all next) There are other powers that would also launch against who ever attacks us, India should and they would take out pakistan too No nuclear weapons.  |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:28:34 PM EDT
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You're wrong Those sub launched nukes in combined force can annihilate both china & russia You are forgetting one big giant thing Uk launches ICMBs at who ever attacks us, because they are next in line Canada launches seconds later, France waits 10 minutes but also backs us up (no choice they are all next) There are other powers that would also launch against who ever attacks us, India should and they would take out pakistan too What is Canada launching? Poutine? NM, been addressed... |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:33:43 PM EDT
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i for one do not want to be a survivor of a gtnw. Plz God let me be killed in the first strike. Thank you.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:34:20 PM EDT
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You ever see the old silos in atlantic highlands? Quote HistoryQuoted:
You ever see the old silos in atlantic highlands? Nope. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:38:03 PM EDT
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I got Raytheon and TI in my neighborhood, I'm toast.
Txl |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:41:49 PM EDT
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i for one do not want to be a survivor of a gtnw. Plz God let me be killed in the first strike. Thank you. i've heard this attitude expressed before, and i just don't understand it. IMO, it's quitter talk. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:42:57 PM EDT
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If we ever do end up playing Global Thermal Nuclear War, do you survive the initial attack? If you live near a major city you can assume you're sitting on a bulls-eye You could randomly be blown up because of some accident that drops a nuke intended for elsewhere on top of you I don't trust all of these missiles that sit in silos and tubes for years on end to all fly as intended to the designated target without incident I figure it'll be like one of those multi-car pile ups you read about during snow or fog in that once the cars have started hitting you might only have the option of hanging on for the ride and trying to not do something stupid that'll get you killed before the dust settles. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:52:12 PM EDT
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Im toast. I can stand on my roof and see MacDill Air Base (SOCOM) . Nothing but around 5 miles of water between. Me too. Moved from Boeing country next to a Nike site. I guess I need to start planning my moves according to GTNW... |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:54:53 PM EDT
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Yep, but it wasn't global, globally we would send much more material into the atmosphere, it would block sunlight if 1000 large nukes hit globally Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what a nuclear winter is? It's a planet destroying scenario, if we detonated over 300 large nukes it's going to blot out the sun and kill us all (molst) Thats why short of iran getting hundreds of nukes no one is going full retard The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. Do you have a cite for this? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 5:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a cite for this? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you know what a nuclear winter is? It's a planet destroying scenario, if we detonated over 300 large nukes it's going to blot out the sun and kill us all (molst) Thats why short of iran getting hundreds of nukes no one is going full retard The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. Do you have a cite for this? No one really disputes a nuclear winter can happen, I guess the real argument is how many it really takes. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:00:15 PM EDT
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Do you know what a nuclear winter is? It's a planet destroying scenario, if we detonated over 300 large nukes it's going to blot out the sun and kill us all (molst) Thats why short of iran getting hundreds of nukes no one is going full retard The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. Do you have a cite for this? the guy i trust on these matters is limaxray, and IIRC, he's extremely confident that nuclear winter is not a global existential threat. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:00:56 PM EDT
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I live in the middle of nowhere. If something big hit, I'd be far enough away to think to myself "Hmm, what the fuck was that?"
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:00:57 PM EDT
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I'm an old fart who'd be among the first to go. We joked about it in the '60s, so...
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:01:23 PM EDT
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You're wrong Those sub launched nukes in combined force can annihilate both china & russia You are forgetting one big giant thing Uk launches ICMBs at who ever attacks us, because they are next in line Canada launches seconds later, France waits 10 minutes but also backs us up (no choice they are all next) There are other powers that would also launch against who ever attacks us, India should and they would take out pakistan too PLEASE tell me my comedy detector is broken and you're trolling. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:03:46 PM EDT
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No nuclear weapons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're wrong Those sub launched nukes in combined force can annihilate both china & russia You are forgetting one big giant thing Uk launches ICMBs at who ever attacks us, because they are next in line Canada launches seconds later, France waits 10 minutes but also backs us up (no choice they are all next) There are other powers that would also launch against who ever attacks us, India should and they would take out pakistan too No nuclear weapons. Actually, had them until 1984. The Manhattan Project was a cooperative effort between the US, Great Britain, and Canada, and NORAD nukes weren't limited to US aircraft. Wiki knows all. But still doesn't change the insanity that is jrzy's post. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:04:22 PM EDT
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No one really disputes a nuclear winter can happen lol |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:04:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Meh...a big flash
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:04:57 PM EDT
[#31]
As someone who had to sit in traffic for two hours on Friday evening in order to make it home through NYC, I can conclusively say that unless I can get access to a boat, I would be royally screwed. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:05:06 PM EDT
[#32]
Possibly. I live in a place that would probably be nuked, and I work at a place that would probably be nuked.
So unless it happens on a weekend when I'm at the range, I'll probably become a ghoul. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:05:48 PM EDT
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One of the you tube videos with nuclear physicists giving a narration on what happens if x amount of warheads detonated world wide, so no I don't have a cite on that. No one really disputes a nuclear winter can happen, I guess the real argument is how many it really takes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what a nuclear winter is? It's a planet destroying scenario, if we detonated over 300 large nukes it's going to blot out the sun and kill us all (molst) Thats why short of iran getting hundreds of nukes no one is going full retard The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. Do you have a cite for this? No one really disputes a nuclear winter can happen, I guess the real argument is how many it really takes. I do. Once again...do the math on the % of the world (197 million square miles) affected by 2200 1MT nuclear weapons. Your answer lies therein. I'll wait. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:06:10 PM EDT
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the guy i trust on these matters is limaxray, and IIRC, he's extremely confident that nuclear winter is not a global existential threat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what a nuclear winter is? It's a planet destroying scenario, if we detonated over 300 large nukes it's going to blot out the sun and kill us all (molst) Thats why short of iran getting hundreds of nukes no one is going full retard The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. Do you have a cite for this? the guy i trust on these matters is limaxray, and IIRC, he's extremely confident that nuclear winter is not a global existential threat. You RC. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:08:01 PM EDT
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This...is...awesome
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:11:50 PM EDT
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This...is...awesome No, it sucks. We haven't had a single delicious recipe yet.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:13:28 PM EDT
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I live in the middle of nowhere. If something big hit, I'd be far enough away to think to myself "Hmm, what the fuck was that?" Me too. But with my luck; something aimed at SLC would veer off several hundred miles north and land on my new cabin...... |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:13:54 PM EDT
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Exercise for the student: Using my link, calculate the # of square miles affected by 2200 weapons, with the following assumptions: - Assume 1Mt yield. (That's REALLY high, for a lot of reasons.) - Assume 1:1 targeting, not the actual 2:1 or higher needed to ensure probability of kill. - Use blast radius figures, as it's the longest-reaching effect. Then calculate the % of the total US area that equals. (BTW, it's 3,794,083 square miles in the US, not 3.5M.) I'll wait. I'll play: 1Mt: Air blast radius of 7.2 km (most things are wrecked) Air blast area of 162 sq km 2200 warheads = Most things are wrecked in an area of 360,000 sq km* The size of California is 423,000 sq km. If you don't waste nukes in Death Valley or the other barren deserts in the state, there are barely enough nukes in the world to break every Californian's house and maybe kill them, once A pretty far cry from turning the entire world into a nuclear wasteland ten times, but I guess you could nuke the entire I-5 corridor twice. Sometimes I'd like to
*Some of you might not know this, but radii (plural of radius) are circles. After you put the circles down like polka dots, you can't just break up a blast area and fill in this gap and that gap in different places. You just get another circle and if it overlaps the previous one you can't count it twice in real life. So 360,000 is really optimistic 
Edit: I meant to write another post and really messed up this one instead. Oops.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:15:33 PM EDT
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The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you know what a nuclear winter is? It's a planet destroying scenario, if we detonated over 300 large nukes it's going to blot out the sun and kill us all (molst) Thats why short of iran getting hundreds of nukes no one is going full retard The 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. Technically, everybody who lived through that is dead. 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:15:41 PM EDT
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GD, horse shoes and hand grenades and nukes: Close enough is close enough
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:17:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI do. Once again...do the math on the % of the world (197 million square miles) affected by 2200 1MT nuclear weapons. Your answer lies therein. I'll wait. Quote HistoryThe 1815 Mount Tambora eruption was calculated at about 800 (yes, EIGHT HUNDRED) megatons of energy released in a single explosion. And yet we're still here. Do you have a cite for this? No one really disputes a nuclear winter can happen, I guess the real argument is how many it really takes. I do. Once again...do the math on the % of the world (197 million square miles) affected by 2200 1MT nuclear weapons. Your answer lies therein. I'll wait. Stop wasting my time, you think you're right prove it or don't , now wait where ever you want. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:20:59 PM EDT
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I think when one is dropped on Tel Aviv it will be game on and soon after game over. I have zero concern for those over there but think that's where it starts and ends. Just a dumb fl crackers thought.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:28:36 PM EDT
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Yeah because volcanic ash in one location is the same as nukes going off all over the world. Stop wasting my time, you think you're right prove it or don't , now wait where ever you want. Read your first sentence, think long and hard about how nuclear weapons are delivered (hint: ground bursts aren't optimal in all cases), go back and look at the weapons calculator I posted, and you'll see why the sarcasm in your first statement is well-placed, but not in the way you think it is. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:31:41 PM EDT
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No, it sucks. We haven't had a single delicious recipe yet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This...is...awesome No, it sucks. We haven't had a single delicious recipe yet. NO GREEN CURRY RECIPES!!!! 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:33:31 PM EDT
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Yeah because volcanic ash in one location is the same as nukes going off all over the world. Stop wasting my time, you think you're right prove it or don't , now wait where ever you want. Dude, you're embarrassing yourself. "Nuclear winter" is something Carl Sagan pulled out of his giant, stretched out, liberal ass. It was not, isn't, and never will be "science" in any imaginable sense of the word. It's bullshit scaremongering. These men aren't going to sit here and waste time tracking down reams of journal articles in order to provide some anonymous yahoo on the Internet with "proof" that he's bought into something stupid. Do your own research and you'll see how dumb the idea is. The fact that you believe in "nuclear winter" proves you've never done any serious research on nuclear weapons. "Experts." lol. Nobody is trying to insult you. I'm not saying YOU are dumb, but you believe in a concept that is dumb and completely untrue. You're free to believe what you want, but you're hideously wrong. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:37:04 PM EDT
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This...is...awesome No, it sucks. We haven't had a single delicious recipe yet. NO GREEN CURRY RECIPES!!!!
They need to let you out more often. Green Curry is delicious. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:39:37 PM EDT
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but you're hideously hilariously wrong. I FTFY, but agreed otherwise. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:43:32 PM EDT
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90 miles to Oak Ridge national laboratory
50 miles to nuclear power plant 10 miles to a different nuclear power plant Not looking good. If we got to the BOL, maybe. 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:44:36 PM EDT
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This...is...awesome No, it sucks. We haven't had a single delicious recipe yet. NO GREEN CURRY RECIPES!!!!
They need to let you out more often. Green Curry is delicious. The last time I had curry, I fought it for three days. NO CURRY!!!!
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Posted: 8/2/2015 6:47:17 PM EDT
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The last time I had curry, I fought it for three days. NO CURRY!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This...is...awesome No, it sucks. We haven't had a single delicious recipe yet. NO GREEN CURRY RECIPES!!!!
They need to let you out more often. Green Curry is delicious. The last time I had curry, I fought it for three days. NO CURRY!!!! We had Nepali cooks at one of the Messhalls on KAIA who converted me into liking Green Curry. 
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