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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:56:02 PM EDT
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I didn't know there was a country fair, but I'd expect there to be some fighting. Not sure if it'd get up to the scale of WWII though.
Or did you mean fare? 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:57:20 PM EDT
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I didn't know there was a country fair, but I'd expect there to be some fighting. Not sure if it'd get up to the scale of WWII though. Or did you mean fare? You know what I mean 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:59:38 PM EDT
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I'd suspect that it'd go nuclear pretty quick. And not because of us, or our allies.
If the players were the same, at least at the start, I can't see why Iran or the norks wouldn't try and do some sort of sneaky false flag type BS. In the end, we'd still kick the shit out of everyone, but it'd be a much nastier fight. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:59:38 PM EDT
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it would need something to tie it together, a lot of people joined up after 9/11 . However we did not see loss rates like anything in WWII. Sadly we could be in that state as the ruler wants to cut the armed forces down to almost nothing. Politicians never seem to learn the lessons from the past.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:00:33 PM EDT
[#5]
 Glenn Miller >>>> Taylor Swift
In fact, on of the main reasons we won ww2 is that Glenn Miller >>>> Wagner. 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:00:48 PM EDT
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Pajama boy says hi.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:08:23 PM EDT
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modern us military vs ww2 axis? or modern us vs modern former axis?
either way, we would win |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:16:40 PM EDT
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I like to be around when they hand out the ration books and the FSA get extra because of their childrenz.
I wonder how many of them would seek work in expanding war industries? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:20:07 PM EDT
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Since our side has lost the stomach for total war i would say we would do poorly until the people in charge got there nerve back. Imagine invading Germany with the ROI we have now.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:21:43 PM EDT
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Since our side has lost the stomach for total war i would say we would do poorly until the people in charge got there nerve back. Imagine invading Germany with the ROI we have now. Lol |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:26:31 PM EDT
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Since our side has lost the stomach for total war i would say we would do poorly until the people in charge got there nerve back. Imagine invading Germany with the ROI we have now. Lol Laugh all you want. But if you want to make the other side stop that shit, this works. 
10 years in Iraq didnt. 
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:28:47 PM EDT
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#NormandyInvasionAtOmahaBeach
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:29:22 PM EDT
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Obama war bonds?
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:31:48 PM EDT
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Laugh all you want. But if you want to make the other side stop that shit, this works. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07,_Dresden,_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/levine/bomb/nag2.jpg 10 years in Iraq didnt. http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ISIS-truck-convoy-Anbar-Province.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since our side has lost the stomach for total war i would say we would do poorly until the people in charge got there nerve back. Imagine invading Germany with the ROI we have now. Lol Laugh all you want. But if you want to make the other side stop that shit, this works. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07,_Dresden,_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/levine/bomb/nag2.jpg 10 years in Iraq didnt. http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ISIS-truck-convoy-Anbar-Province.jpg The European bombing campaign didn't really phase the germans Which war have we been in post 1945 that could have been won with nukes? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:41:08 PM EDT
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Pajama boy says hi. This. We're fucked. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:41:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since our side has lost the stomach for total war i would say we would do poorly until the people in charge got there nerve back. Imagine invading Germany with the ROI we have now. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:42:26 PM EDT
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We would have to close the mineshaft gap quickly.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:43:10 PM EDT
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Laugh all you want. But if you want to make the other side stop that shit, this works. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07,_Dresden,_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/levine/bomb/nag2.jpg 10 years in Iraq didnt. http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ISIS-truck-convoy-Anbar-Province.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since our side has lost the stomach for total war i would say we would do poorly until the people in charge got there nerve back. Imagine invading Germany with the ROI we have now. Lol Laugh all you want. But if you want to make the other side stop that shit, this works. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07,_Dresden,_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/levine/bomb/nag2.jpg 10 years in Iraq didnt. http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ISIS-truck-convoy-Anbar-Province.jpg I've never thought of war in terms of Return on Investment. He's laughing b/c you meant ROE instead of ROI. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:43:44 PM EDT
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The European bombing campaign didn't really phase the germans Which war have we been in post 1945 that could have been won with nukes? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since our side has lost the stomach for total war i would say we would do poorly until the people in charge got there nerve back. Imagine invading Germany with the ROI we have now. Lol Laugh all you want. But if you want to make the other side stop that shit, this works. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07,_Dresden,_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/levine/bomb/nag2.jpg 10 years in Iraq didnt. http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ISIS-truck-convoy-Anbar-Province.jpg The European bombing campaign didn't really phase the germans Which war have we been in post 1945 that could have been won with nukes? Korean War. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:44:43 PM EDT
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We would win, instantly. The Germans would be too busy protesting their government and making electrogoth music to fight. The Japs would be too busy sniffing used schoolgirls' underwear to fight.
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:00:54 PM EDT
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Wir würden uns sehr gut ab und werden eine gute Ergänzung für das Vaterland!
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:05:10 PM EDT
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By military strength? I don't see an issue.
As a country? Sacrifice is not known nor would be embraced. Soldiers would have to do without chocolate and bananas this time around, and doubtful there would be another Rosie the Riveter. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:08:55 AM EDT
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I remember my parents telling us about riding the merry to round with ration stamps
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:28:23 AM EDT
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I've never thought of war in terms of Return on Investment. He's laughing b/c you meant ROE instead of ROI. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since our side has lost the stomach for total war i would say we would do poorly until the people in charge got there nerve back. Imagine invading Germany with the ROI we have now. Lol Laugh all you want. But if you want to make the other side stop that shit, this works. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1994-041-07,_Dresden,_zerst%C3%B6rtes_Stadtzentrum.jpg http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/levine/bomb/nag2.jpg 10 years in Iraq didnt. http://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ISIS-truck-convoy-Anbar-Province.jpg I've never thought of war in terms of Return on Investment. He's laughing b/c you meant ROE instead of ROI. Haha, good point. But to be fair, we did see a pretty good ROI because since every other country had their industries destroyed, we didn't. Certainly helped us economically after the war 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:35:11 AM EDT
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Wir würden uns sehr gut ab und werden eine gute Ergänzung für das Vaterland! Scheiße, ich kam hierher, um einen Kommentar auf Deutsch, aber Sie schlugen mich darauf.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:36:28 AM EDT
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Here is what the media would say
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:38:02 AM EDT
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We have an institutionalized defeat party today
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:41:29 AM EDT
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The key difference is that then, many people who were drafted were better fed, clothed and bedded than they had been. And in the Army and with the war opportunity was found.
See the difference? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:47:19 AM EDT
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In the 40s were not so enlighten by multiculturalism and did not see the world so nuanced to know "you cannot kill your way to victory"
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:48:07 AM EDT
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We have an institutionalized defeat party today We would lose terribly |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 8:50:16 AM EDT
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WW II we didn't care about collateral damage. We bombed French ports to destroy U-boats or deny the facilities to the Germans. We bombed rail yards, destroyed bridges and killed a lot of French civilians.
We also do not have the industrial capability we once have. How's that Free Trade/Outsourcing working out for y'all? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:02:43 AM EDT
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Can you imagine all the FSA going for deferment to avoid the draft........
I have to pick up the welfare check for my family so I cant serve.... |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:06:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sacrifice is not known nor would be embraced. Soldiers would have to do without chocolate and bananas this time around... |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:09:51 AM EDT
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Most of those things are irrelevant. Conventional war happens too fast for industrial production rates to matter - that's been an axiom since the late Cold War. Carpet bombing was not a highly effective technique we shrink from today, it was a crude and ineffective attempt to compensate for horrendous inaccuracy. Cipher cracking is a joke. Either you get a side-channel attack working, or you fail - the encryption itself, so long as it's executed by anyone save total morons, is unbreakable without universe-sized computers.
Then there's patriotism. A multimegaton nuke doesn't give a fuck about the precise decibel level of Americlapping in the masses. It fries True Burgerlovers and dirty hippies all alike. ICBMs changed the game. Even lasers can't change it back. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:12:56 AM EDT
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I don't think total war is possible these days. Too many people would be crying out from the left think of the children or think of the inocents.
Unless something changes I doubt we will fight another war against another countries army because they're not invading us and we're not invading them. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:21:53 AM EDT
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We would lose. This country no longer has the key ingredients to win a war of the magnitude of WWII.
 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:26:32 AM EDT
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I don't think total war is possible these days. Too many people would be crying out from the left think of the children or think of the inocents. Unless something changes I doubt we will fight another war against another countries army because they're not invading us and we're not invading them. Sort of like after world war II amphibious operations were not possible |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:00:24 AM EDT
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I like to be around when they hand out the ration books and the FSA get extra because of their childrenz. http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3524/3728337566_e1ca229cb4_z.jpg?zz=1 I wonder how many of them would seek work in expanding war industries? Cut the EBT. When they say WTF. We say get a job to help the efforts or get a rifle to help the efforts. Wat yous thinks thay be dooin? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:03:07 AM EDT
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Since our side has lost the stomach for total war i would say we would do poorly until the people in charge got there nerve back. Imagine invading Germany with the ROI we have now. Got their nerves back? I don't think so. More like if we lose I well be hanging from a rope shot while standing at pole. That is what will motivate them. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:09:37 AM EDT
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Most of those things are irrelevant. Conventional war happens too fast for industrial production rates to matter - that's been an axiom since the late Cold War. Carpet bombing was not a highly effective technique we shrink from today, it was a crude and ineffective attempt to compensate for horrendous inaccuracy. Cipher cracking is a joke. Either you get a side-channel attack working, or you fail - the encryption itself, so long as it's executed by anyone save total morons, is unbreakable without universe-sized computers. Then there's patriotism. A multimegaton nuke doesn't give a fuck about the precise decibel level of Americlapping in the masses. It fries True Burgerlovers and dirty hippies all alike. ICBMs changed the game. Even lasers can't change it back. This about sums it up. We're not geared toward industrial warfare anymore. That's not a slight against US manufacturing. We just don't need that kind of capability anymore, not with nukes. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:47:34 AM EDT
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This about sums it up. We're not geared toward industrial warfare anymore. That's not a slight against US manufacturing. We just don't need that kind of capability anymore, not with nukes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most of those things are irrelevant. Conventional war happens too fast for industrial production rates to matter - that's been an axiom since the late Cold War. Carpet bombing was not a highly effective technique we shrink from today, it was a crude and ineffective attempt to compensate for horrendous inaccuracy. Cipher cracking is a joke. Either you get a side-channel attack working, or you fail - the encryption itself, so long as it's executed by anyone save total morons, is unbreakable without universe-sized computers. Then there's patriotism. A multimegaton nuke doesn't give a fuck about the precise decibel level of Americlapping in the masses. It fries True Burgerlovers and dirty hippies all alike. ICBMs changed the game. Even lasers can't change it back. This about sums it up. We're not geared toward industrial warfare anymore. That's not a slight against US manufacturing. We just don't need that kind of capability anymore, not with nukes. Problem is no one on the US side will use nukes. No one has the political minimals to do so, not in time anyway. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:50:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think total war is possible these days. Too many people would be crying out from the left think of the children or think of the inocents. Unless something changes I doubt we will fight another war against another countries army because they're not invading us and we're not invading them. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:52:35 AM EDT
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I don't get the question.
Are you asking about our willingness to engage in a long-term Industrial conflict? If you are, I'd ask you to consider how the rest of the world has changed over the last 70 years also. Perhaps no one wants to do that shit anymore. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:52:53 AM EDT
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Gm was kept open just for infrastructure reasons.
We have 11 carriers vs four in 1941 The Lexington and Saratoga were obsolete in 1941 We would btfo the Jap fleet with carriers and subs then nuke Iwo Jima this time. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:58:49 AM EDT
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With our media, academic and intellectual circles; we will never win another war.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:58:52 AM EDT
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Sort of like after world war II amphibious operations were not possible Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think total war is possible these days. Too many people would be crying out from the left think of the children or think of the inocents. Unless something changes I doubt we will fight another war against another countries army because they're not invading us and we're not invading them. Sort of like after world war II amphibious operations were not possible I didn't say it was unpossible, I'm saying its unlikely. As far as amphibious landings, we're not doing them on the same scale that they were in WWII. The last major landing I can think of is Inchon. The only difference now would be AAAV's and LCAC's (I'm sure I'm missing something). I don't see them storming a beach unless it was cleared out by bombs first. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:59:46 AM EDT
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Cut the EBT. When they say WTF. We say get a job to help the efforts or get a rifle to help the efforts. Wat yous thinks thay be dooin? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like to be around when they hand out the ration books and the FSA get extra because of their childrenz. http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3524/3728337566_e1ca229cb4_z.jpg?zz=1 I wonder how many of them would seek work in expanding war industries? Cut the EBT. When they say WTF. We say get a job to help the efforts or get a rifle to help the efforts. Wat yous thinks thay be dooin? Enriching the country with their vibrant culture. Or rioting they're kinda the same thing though. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 10:59:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm thinking not too well. Weak government, no sense of nationalism and patriotism, the inability to convert all factories across the country into wartime production. Would we even be better at intelligence? Technology is much more advanced but we were able to crack both the Japanese and German code back then. Actually having China on our side for a change wouldn't be too bad either. The Krauts could probably forgo the actual conquering of SE Europe and just buy them out. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:17:56 AM EDT
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We would lose. This country no longer has the key ingredients to win a war of the magnitude of WWII. We would win easily if the question is today's USA/Russia'France/China against today's Germany/Italy/Japan. We wouldn't need to put boot one on the ground. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:19:22 AM EDT
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The allies won the war due to America's ability to out produce its enemies.
America had the ability to out produce its enemies because it had a huge amount of idle industrial plant and equipment. The nation does not have that excess industrial capacity today. It could not support and equip the number of people it had in the military during WWII. It certainly could not support the people in allied nation's military establishments (and their civilians as well) the way it did in WWII. Today the U.S. would lose a war involving mass armies. |
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