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Posted: 8/1/2015 9:21:02 AM EDT
According to Ottawa Citizen "The possibilities are to give them (to the Rangers) or to sell them to the Rangers at a (discount),” Maj. Carl Gendron, deputy project manager for the Ranger Rifle project, told Defence Watch. "There is a strong feeling among the Ranger community that they would like to retain those rifles, mainly for the symbolic value of it. Quite often they have been in the family for generations, handed down from father to son. We hope the Rangers will be able to acquire them. How exactly we don’t have the guidance yet.” "We have asked for guidance from the government on that,” Gendron added. So will the rest of the Lee Enfields be made available for sale to the public, perhaps through surplus dealers? No one knows at this point. There are an estimated 3,000 to 3,500 such rifles still left in army stocks, according to the Army. "We still have cadets that still use them,” explained Gendron. "So it doesn’t mean that the rifles will be available to be bought. We’ll need to figure out what will be the consumption in the Army." Here is the new rifle that will replace the Enfields. The Canadian Rangers require a hunting rifle for survival and self defence against large North American carnivores at ranges of 0 metres to 300 metres. Currently, the Rangers use the Lee Enfield No. 4 to meet these requirements but the age and the scarcity of parts for this weapon will soon make it very difficult if not impossible to maintain, according to the Department of National Defence and Colt Canada. Because of that the New Canadian Ranger Rifle (NCRR) system is being purchased to replace the Lee Enfields. Here are the details provided in an information sheet supplied to Defence Watch by Colt Canada: The NCRR will be used by CRs while patrolling some of the most remote regions of coastal, central and northern areas of Canada. The temperatures will reach as high as +39C with moderate to high humidity along coastal and forested regions and as low as -51C in arctic regions. For those CRs located in coastal areas, it is likely that the NCRR will be exposed to long term salt laden air and water. The NCRR will be transported by the CR on foot, wheeled commercial vehicles, skidoos, sleds, small boats and all-terrain vehicles. It must remain operable during and following exposure to these environments. Program Overview The Government of Canada and the Department of National Defence with Colt Canada, under the Munitions Supply Program (MSP) will replace the original Lee Enfield rifle fleet with a commercially available hunting rifle. The replacement will be a bolt action, calibre .308 Winchester, magazine fed rifle. Ancillary items, such as a hard transport case, soft transport case, sling, cleaning kit and trigger lock for each rifle will be procured at this time. Prototype rifles have been delivered to the Rangers and will undergo user trial evaluations from now till the end of 2015. Production of 6500 or more rifles is expected to commence in mid-2016 with a completion mid to end 2018. Equipment Suppliers Rifle: 1. The replacement rifle is based on the SAKO T3 CTR (Compact Tactical Rifle). SAKO Ltd is based in Riihimaki, Finland. The Canadian supplier is Stoeger Canada from Whitby, Ontario. The first 125 prototypes have been delivered to Canada and they will undergo User Trials by the Rangers. Feedback from the Rangers will be incorporated into production rifles. Colt Canada will produce the barrel, bolt and receiver under licence from Sako. Production is scheduled to begin mid to end 2016. The Ranger Rifle has several Canadian modifications. a) Larger bolt handle and enlarged trigger guard to accommodate gloved hands. b) Protected front and rear iron sights. c) Laminated stock in unique orange or red colour with Ranger Crest. d) Two stage trigger with three position safety. Ancillaries: 1. Pelican hard transport case with Ranger Crest and custom moulded internal foam supplied by Pelican Products ULC, from Edmonton, Alberta. Cleaning kit, sling and soft transport case supplied by Rampart International, from Ottawa, Ontario. Trigger lock supplied by The Old Co-Op, from North Gower, Ontario. Colt Canada is the officially appointed Strategic Source and Centre of Excellence for Small Arms to the Government of Canada. Registered in the province of Nova Scotia, and with its manufacturing facility located in Kitchener, Ontario, Colt Canada provides full support to all small arms -ranging from 9mm pistols to .50 calibre heavy machine guns- in the Canadian Armed Forces inventory. |
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First Nations peoples should keep this rifles.
I think Harper will be cool with this. Trudeau? |
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Kinda got mine.... Savage made that was reworked by the Brits and then surplused through Canada. http://i.imgur.com/TRHJNld.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I hope they sell it to the Rangers cheap. I'm hoping they will sell me one cheap. Savage made that was reworked by the Brits and then surplused through Canada. http://i.imgur.com/TRHJNld.jpg I really want a Savage No. 4 Mk1. |
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Badass! Hope they get to keep them. The Rangers seem to be a hardcore group and the family tradition thing is really cool.
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I'm cool with either option.
Although I would be really cool with them selling them at large. I want a Longbranch no4 so bad |
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Can't help but think that the Enfield would be a better rifle than that Colt/Cooper abortion. I'm really surprised they didn't go with the Ruger GSR, it seems to me that it would be a better survival rifle.
I'm sure they have their reasons, I just hope it's because of wanting the best rifle and not as a way to keep Colt afloat. |
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I am glad they are including a trigger lock.
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Interesting that in the pic of the guys on the line, the guy using the Enfield also has spare mags ready to go. I'd like to find out what belt he has that's modified, or is that actually a regular item among the Rangers?
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I hope they sell it to the Rangers cheap. I'm hoping they will sell me one cheap. Savage made that was reworked by the Brits and then surplused through Canada. http://i.imgur.com/TRHJNld.jpg I really want a Savage No. 4 Mk1. |
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Why on earth are they still using bolt guns in a caliber that a semi-auto is available in. Not to mention wood stock. WTF.
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Fuck the rifle.......see that dudes mustash? That fuckin impressive
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Can't help but think that the Enfield would be a better rifle than that Colt/Cooper abortion. I'm really surprised they didn't go with the Ruger GSR, it seems to me that it would be a better survival rifle. I'm sure they have their reasons, I just hope it's because of wanting the best rifle and not as a way to keep Colt afloat. View Quote Did you just say Ruger rifles are better than Sako rifles? |
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Canadian Firearms Act prohibits the transfer of government property firearms to licensed firearms businesses or the public.
This came up when they slated the Hi Powers for replacement. Despite the reforms to firearms laws they have implemented, the Conservatives have expressed no desire to do this. As it stands now, unless they amend or replace the Firearms Act, the Ranger Enfields are slated for destruction. |
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Canadian Firearms Act prohibits the transfer of government property firearms to licensed firearms businesses or the public. This came up when they slated the Hi Powers for replacement. Despite the reforms to firearms laws they have implemented, the Conservatives have expressed no desire to do this. As it stands now, unless they amend or replace the Firearms Act, the Ranger Enfields are slated for destruction. View Quote I want a fucking Longbranch on the cheap. |
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Did you just say Ruger rifles are better than Sako rifles? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can't help but think that the Enfield would be a better rifle than that Colt/Cooper abortion. I'm really surprised they didn't go with the Ruger GSR, it seems to me that it would be a better survival rifle. I'm sure they have their reasons, I just hope it's because of wanting the best rifle and not as a way to keep Colt afloat. Did you just say Ruger rifles are better than Sako rifles? I might be tarded but I thought these were Colt branded Cooper rifles? I must have missed where Sako had anything to do with this project. |
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I might be tarded but I thought these were Colt branded Cooper rifles? I must have missed where Sako had anything to do with this project. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can't help but think that the Enfield would be a better rifle than that Colt/Cooper abortion. I'm really surprised they didn't go with the Ruger GSR, it seems to me that it would be a better survival rifle. I'm sure they have their reasons, I just hope it's because of wanting the best rifle and not as a way to keep Colt afloat. Did you just say Ruger rifles are better than Sako rifles? I might be tarded but I thought these were Colt branded Cooper rifles? I must have missed where Sako had anything to do with this project. What is a "Cooper" rifle? I can't think of any production rifle that he or his estate would have approved to have his name attached to it. |
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Why on earth are they still using bolt guns in a caliber that a semi-auto is available in. Not to mention wood stock. WTF. In. temperatures in the far north regularly dip to -50. would you want a semi auto rifle for those conditions, especially one that your life depends on? I'd take the bolt rifle without any hesitation. and iron sights too, please and thank you. |
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temperatures in the far north regularly dip to -50. would you want a semi auto rifle for those conditions, especially one that your life depends on? I'd take the bolt rifle without any hesitation. and iron sights too, please and thank you. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why on earth are they still using bolt guns in a caliber that a semi-auto is available in. Not to mention wood stock. WTF. In. temperatures in the far north regularly dip to -50. would you want a semi auto rifle for those conditions, especially one that your life depends on? I'd take the bolt rifle without any hesitation. and iron sights too, please and thank you. With the metal shrouded in as much wood as I can get away with. |
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Quoted: Canadian Firearms Act prohibits the transfer of government property firearms to licensed firearms businesses or the public. This came up when they slated the Hi Powers for replacement. Despite the reforms to firearms laws they have implemented, the Conservatives have expressed no desire to do this. As it stands now, unless they amend or replace the Firearms Act, the Ranger Enfields are slated for destruction. View Quote |
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It is a custom made piece... also the spare mags are a personal thing too. Enfields were never meant to be loaded and treated like that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting that in the pic of the guys on the line, the guy using the Enfield also has spare mags ready to go. I'd like to find out what belt he has that's modified, or is that actually a regular item among the Rangers? It's faster to change the mag than to load two stripper clips. The feed lips just take a beating that they can scarcely afford. |
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It's faster to change the mag than to load two stripper clips. The feed lips just take a beating that they can scarcely afford. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Interesting that in the pic of the guys on the line, the guy using the Enfield also has spare mags ready to go. I'd like to find out what belt he has that's modified, or is that actually a regular item among the Rangers? It's faster to change the mag than to load two stripper clips. The feed lips just take a beating that they can scarcely afford. Is that why people don't generally carry spare mags? |
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Interesting that in the pic of the guys on the line, the guy using the Enfield also has spare mags ready to go. I'd like to find out what belt he has that's modified, or is that actually a regular item among the Rangers? It's faster to change the mag than to load two stripper clips. The feed lips just take a beating that they can scarcely afford. Is that why people don't generally carry spare mags? I also think the forward lug (if one can call it that) would wear out quickly with frequent usage like that. The magazine is also not good at retaining the cartridges when out of the weapon as it was not designed for that. The magazine is designed to be removed for ease of cleaning, maintenance, and repair, and that's it. Loading with chargers can, IME, be accomplished very rapidly. The magazine release on the Lee-Enfield isn't exactly the fastest to use. |
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Can't help but think that the Enfield would be a better rifle than that Colt/Cooper abortion. I'm really surprised they didn't go with the Ruger GSR, it seems to me that it would be a better survival rifle. I'm sure they have their reasons, I just hope it's because of wanting the best rifle and not as a way to keep Colt afloat. Did you just say Ruger rifles are better than Sako rifles? For this purpose I'd take a controlled feed open top mauser action over that Sako action in a heartbeat. Sako and Tikka bolts are not as smooth as a mauser and I would not trust that action for positive ejection in that climate in an emergency. |
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Interesting that in the pic of the guys on the line, the guy using the Enfield also has spare mags ready to go. I'd like to find out what belt he has that's modified, or is that actually a regular item among the Rangers? View Quote Rigger made. Looks like he stitched two issue web belts together at intervals for mag spacing, then laced the bottom shut with paracord through the hanger grommets and then put bungee cord through the top hangers for retention. |
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What is a "Cooper" rifle? I can't think of any production rifle that he or his estate would have approved to have his name attached to it. View Quote Ummmmm.... COOOPER RIFLES |
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What is a "Cooper" rifle? I can't think of any production rifle that he or his estate would have approved to have his name attached to it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Can't help but think that the Enfield would be a better rifle than that Colt/Cooper abortion. I'm really surprised they didn't go with the Ruger GSR, it seems to me that it would be a better survival rifle. I'm sure they have their reasons, I just hope it's because of wanting the best rifle and not as a way to keep Colt afloat. Did you just say Ruger rifles are better than Sako rifles? I might be tarded but I thought these were Colt branded Cooper rifles? I must have missed where Sako had anything to do with this project. What is a "Cooper" rifle? I can't think of any production rifle that he or his estate would have approved to have his name attached to it. Montana company. The owner supported Obama in 2008 if I remember correctly and I think the company canned him. |
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What is a "Cooper" rifle? I can't think of any production rifle that he or his estate would have approved to have his name attached to it. Ummmmm.... COOOPER RIFLES Yep. They make the M2012 for Colt and it's my understanding that they make all of Colts bolt rifles. So is this Enfield replacement the same way or is it a Sako? I know precisely nothing about bolt guns so I can't really identify rifles by the look of the action. Fudd guns |
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Yep. They make the M2012 for Colt and it's my understanding that they make all of Colts bolt rifles. So is this Enfield replacement the same way or is it a Sako? I know precisely nothing about bolt guns so I can't really identify rifles by the look of the action. Fudd guns View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is a "Cooper" rifle? I can't think of any production rifle that he or his estate would have approved to have his name attached to it. Ummmmm.... COOOPER RIFLES Yep. They make the M2012 for Colt and it's my understanding that they make all of Colts bolt rifles. So is this Enfield replacement the same way or is it a Sako? I know precisely nothing about bolt guns so I can't really identify rifles by the look of the action. Fudd guns Those Tikkas are damn nice rifles... they should serve them well. I sure as shit hope they get to buy/transfer the Enfields out to them. That's a lot of history to cut up |
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Montana company. The owner supported Obama in 2008 if I remember correctly and I think the company canned him. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Did you just say Ruger rifles are better than Sako rifles? I might be tarded but I thought these were Colt branded Cooper rifles? I must have missed where Sako had anything to do with this project. What is a "Cooper" rifle? I can't think of any production rifle that he or his estate would have approved to have his name attached to it. Montana company. The owner supported Obama in 2008 if I remember correctly and I think the company canned him. Interesting. I've never heard of them, although the fact that they don't appear to sell anything I'd be interested in buying probably has something to do with that. Honestly, I think the Rangers are one of the only examples of a military force for which a scout rifle as Jeff Cooper conceived it, perhaps in some martial dress [like the No.5, which has pretty much all of the features of a scout rifle (irons only was acceptable per his definition) plus a flash suppressor, bayonet lug, and charger loading], is the most appropriate weapon, or even a medium scout rifle (i.e. medium bore, full-power cartridge). |
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That thing they are looking to replace the #4s with does not look like it would carry worth a shit.
The sharp edges on the mag would poke at you. If no scope was installed that rail would grab on stuff. What, are you supposed to carry it those fancy cases all the time? A #4 carries like dream with a good two-point sling and damn near everything is rounded-off. Hell you could just slide it in a gun sock and go not to mention the canvas action/muzzle covers have been available since WW-2. Hell I even have C/Arrow marked ones myself. They failed with the "better mousetrap". |
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That thing they are looking to replace the #4s with does not look like it would carry worth a shit. The sharp edges on the mag would poke at you. If no scope was installed that rail would grab on stuff. What, are you supposed to carry it those fancy cases all the time? A #4 carries like dream with a good two-point sling and damn near everything is rounded-off. Hell you could just slide it in a gun sock and go not to mention the canvas action/muzzle covers have been available since WW-2. Hell I even have C/Arrow marked ones myself. They failed with the "better mousetrap". View Quote Yeah, it doesn't look that appealing to me, either. If I had the choice, I'd probably choose the No. 4, although I'd rather have a No.5 for that role. Either in 7.62mm would be even better. |
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Yeah, it doesn't look that appealing to me, either. If I had the choice, I'd probably choose the No. 4, although I'd rather have a No.5 for that role. Either in 7.62mm would be even better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That thing they are looking to replace the #4s with does not look like it would carry worth a shit. The sharp edges on the mag would poke at you. If no scope was installed that rail would grab on stuff. What, are you supposed to carry it those fancy cases all the time? A #4 carries like dream with a good two-point sling and damn near everything is rounded-off. Hell you could just slide it in a gun sock and go not to mention the canvas action/muzzle covers have been available since WW-2. Hell I even have C/Arrow marked ones myself. They failed with the "better mousetrap". Yeah, it doesn't look that appealing to me, either. If I had the choice, I'd probably choose the No. 4, although I'd rather have a No.5 for that role. Either in 7.62mm would be even better. Man I wish Longbranch would have made a #5 MK I. I'll bet it would been beautiful if their #4s are anything to go by.. |
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