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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:29:33 PM EDT
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That car has a FOUR SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. I'm going to post that one more time so it sinks in a little better... That car has a FOUR SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. That says a lot about that car and the mindset behind designing it and bringing it to market. It also says something about the people that bought it brand new. More specifically, it says "I have no idea the car I bought has archaic equipment under the hood." Toyota also robbed museums and archaeology digs to equip some new models with drum brakes. The only way I'd advocate the purchase of a late model Corolla for a non-fleet user is if they get an opportunity to buy one at a SIGNIFICANT discount. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is about what I would be getting if I were to get a Corolla Having trouble linking 
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19702&endYear=2016&modelCode1=COROL&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&showcaseOwnerId=601599&startYear=2014&makeCode1=TOYOTA&firstRecord=26&searchRadius=100&maxPrice=15000&showcaseListingId=402770335&mmt=[TOYOTA[COROL[]][]]&listingId=406866049&Log=0 That car has a FOUR SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. I'm going to post that one more time so it sinks in a little better... That car has a FOUR SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION. That says a lot about that car and the mindset behind designing it and bringing it to market. It also says something about the people that bought it brand new. More specifically, it says "I have no idea the car I bought has archaic equipment under the hood." Toyota also robbed museums and archaeology digs to equip some new models with drum brakes. The only way I'd advocate the purchase of a late model Corolla for a non-fleet user is if they get an opportunity to buy one at a SIGNIFICANT discount. It doesn't. Only the base L model has a 4 speed auto. Everything else has a cvt. (for an auto transmission) Wouldn't matter though, since the 4 speed auto is better than the CVT. (for the non eco models without the more powerful engine) |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 7:56:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was a bit disappointed with my daughters VW Jetta. 2006, had the 1.8 Turbo that grenaded when the timing belt broke at 88K miles. The new 1.8T has a timing chain |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:11:44 PM EDT
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If I go with the Mazda 3, should I get the current model or a model older like a 2012?
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:28:57 PM EDT
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Mazda all the way. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 10:43:38 PM EDT
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If I go with the Mazda 3, should I get the current model or a model older like a 2012? The current one. Not only will it have better resale value, but the current car is designed to accommodate the big new exhaust manifold. That's a big piece of the Skyactive puzzle. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:03:48 PM EDT
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VW in that order. Yep, this guy speaks the truth. |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:08:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, this guy speaks the truth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: VW in that order. Yep, this guy speaks the truth. Why? |
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Posted: 8/1/2015 11:39:57 PM EDT
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VW in that order. Yep, this guy speaks the truth. Why? Because that is what he bought most likely. I have a 2013 Jetta TDI as a company car. There was an issue with the windshield wiper switch from the factory that was fixed under warranty but for the first 26k/2yrs, there have been no problems. The vinyl seats aren't terrible, but cloth would be better. The AC is damn near 70's American car standards, which is to say very good. If you think you want the DCT transmission, test drive it first. It is not an automatic. There is a delay between pressing on the accelerator pedal and when you go and the delay varies. This can be an issue when pulling into traffic when there is a lot of traffic and the openings are small. I would prefer a manual, but I didn't have a say in it. Someone else mentioned a Focus. My rental in the UK was a pretty nice car, but may not be representative of the US model but it was pretty nice. Not as nice as the 520d "estate" that they upgraded me to on the previous visit, but nice none the less. The Corolla I had in Oklahoma was obviously the US model, and it sucked. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:24:03 PM EDT
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I'm surprised to see the Jetta have almost the same votes as the Corolla
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:25:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I go with the Mazda 3, should I get the current model or a model older like a 2012? i have a 2012 Mazda6. get the current model. not because there is anything wrong with the previous model, but because the new one is just that much better |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 12:33:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was a bit disappointed with my daughters VW Jetta. 2006, had the 1.8 Turbo that grenaded when the timing belt broke at 88K miles. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:01:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't timing belt replacement interval 60K on those engines? Some older Italian cars had a service life of around 30K on timing belts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was a bit disappointed with my daughters VW Jetta. 2006, had the 1.8 Turbo that grenaded when the timing belt broke at 88K miles. That's usually about what it is. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:03:19 PM EDT
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Isn't timing belt replacement interval 60K on those engines? Some older Italian cars had a service life of around 30K on timing belts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was a bit disappointed with my daughters VW Jetta. 2006, had the 1.8 Turbo that grenaded when the timing belt broke at 88K miles. I could not tell you the replacement interval, but as pointed out above, if they now use a chain, it becomes irrelevant. I've always had very good luck with Nissans in the family. From Hardbodies to Frontiers, 2 Pathfinders, an Altima, 5 Maximas, and 3 Muranos. However the price point of the Jettas do make it look attractive. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:27:50 PM EDT
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I bought a Corolla in 2008. It was used with 22K already on the ticker. As I pulled in to work today, I noticed I'll hit the 170K mark on the way home. I've had the transmission serviced once, brakes once, 1 battery and 1 water pump. Oil changed every 8-10 and it has never skipped a beat. Might be better and prettier cars out there, but I'll be turning this one over to my daughter in a few years and fully expect 300K outta it.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:38:53 PM EDT
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I almost bought a Jetta this year but the maintenance and replacement part costs turned me off. The test drive was fun though, I still want one.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:43:26 PM EDT
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I love my Honda.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:46:15 PM EDT
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The 2014 and later Mazdas are great if you can fit it in your budget. Depending on the trim level and options they can get expensive.
The 2014 and later 3's are a significant improvement over prior models. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 1:46:24 PM EDT
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I could not tell you the replacement interval, but as pointed out above, if they now use a chain, it becomes irrelevant. I've always had very good luck with Nissans in the family. From Hardbodies to Frontiers, 2 Pathfinders, an Altima, 5 Maximas, and 3 Muranos. However the price point of the Jettas do make it look attractive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was a bit disappointed with my daughters VW Jetta. 2006, had the 1.8 Turbo that grenaded when the timing belt broke at 88K miles. I could not tell you the replacement interval, but as pointed out above, if they now use a chain, it becomes irrelevant. I've always had very good luck with Nissans in the family. From Hardbodies to Frontiers, 2 Pathfinders, an Altima, 5 Maximas, and 3 Muranos. However the price point of the Jettas do make it look attractive. Chains can and do break. They are usually out of warranty when it happens and cause a fair amount of damage. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 2:07:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chains can and do break. They are usually out of warranty when it happens and cause a fair amount of damage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I was a bit disappointed with my daughters VW Jetta. 2006, had the 1.8 Turbo that grenaded when the timing belt broke at 88K miles. I could not tell you the replacement interval, but as pointed out above, if they now use a chain, it becomes irrelevant. I've always had very good luck with Nissans in the family. From Hardbodies to Frontiers, 2 Pathfinders, an Altima, 5 Maximas, and 3 Muranos. However the price point of the Jettas do make it look attractive. Chains can and do break. They are usually out of warranty when it happens and cause a fair amount of damage. I honestly have not ever heard of someone breaking their timing chain but have heard numerous people and even myself have broken a timing belt. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 2:14:05 PM EDT
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After nearly 5 years of driving my '03 Civic SI I've learned to hate Honda. It has had one stupid problem after another. From broken door handle springs to a broken shift cable. And a shitty AC compressor design that grenades itself. Yeah, I know it's old but all that happened under 100k miles. The engine and transmission are solid, though, and it's easy enough to wrench on.
From all I've heard about the Mazda 3's reliability and driveability, I'd get that. If I wasn't set on an older 4 Runner for my next vehicle I'd seriously consider a Mazda. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 2:28:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After nearly 5 years of driving my '03 Civic SI I've learned to hate Honda. It has had one stupid problem after another. From broken door handle springs to a broken shift cable. And a shitty AC compressor design that grenades itself. Yeah, I know it's old but all that happened under 100k miles. The engine and transmission are solid, though, and it's easy enough to wrench on. From all I've heard about the Mazda 3's reliability and driveability, I'd get that. If I wasn't set on an older 4 Runner for my next vehicle I'd seriously consider a Mazda. I absolutely love my 4runner. I am leaning towards the Mazda or the Jetta 1.8t right now. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 2:43:44 PM EDT
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Mazda is on a roll right now, and has been for at least a few years.
Great cars at the price points, IMHO. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 2:46:26 PM EDT
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Do you own a truck already?
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Posted: 8/2/2015 2:47:30 PM EDT
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I bought my daughter a 2009 Mazda 5 door for HS graduation. She's still driving it. It has around 175K on it and has been rock solid. Great gas mileage. Zero mechanical problems. Runs like a scalded ass ape. I would recommend it to anyone. How the heck is a high school/college student driving 30,000 miles a year? That is crazy high mileage!!!!! |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 2:48:18 PM EDT
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Nissan Sentra SER or SR, if you do not want sporty.
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Posted: 8/2/2015 3:08:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you own a truck already? I have a 4runner. I really have no need for a truck at this time. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 3:11:10 PM EDT
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For $17K and change you can get a brand new Honda Civic LX.
For $15K you can get a 2013 Civic LX with ~20,000 miles. For $10K you can get a 2008 Civic LX with ~200,000 miles. Those bitches hold their values and keep running. Went buying yesterday and bought the new one. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 3:29:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For $17K and change you can get a brand new Honda Civic LX. For $15K you can get a 2013 Civic LX with ~20,000 miles. For $10K you can get a 2008 Civic LX with ~200,000 miles. Those bitches hold their values and keep running. Went buying yesterday and bought the new one. What made you go for the civic? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 3:38:57 PM EDT
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For $17K and change you can get a brand new Honda Civic LX. For $15K you can get a 2013 Civic LX with ~20,000 miles. For $10K you can get a 2008 Civic LX with ~200,000 miles. Those bitches hold their values and keep running. Went buying yesterday and bought the new one. Except if you get a 2006-2011 civic you will need a new ass. Seriously, I will never understand why Honda made the suspension so firm. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 3:57:50 PM EDT
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Except if you get a 2006-2001 civic you will need a new ass. Seriously, I will never understand why Honda made the suspension so firm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For $17K and change you can get a brand new Honda Civic LX. For $15K you can get a 2013 Civic LX with ~20,000 miles. For $10K you can get a 2008 Civic LX with ~200,000 miles. Those bitches hold their values and keep running. Went buying yesterday and bought the new one. Except if you get a 2006-2001 civic you will need a new ass. Seriously, I will never understand why Honda made the suspension so firm. Because it handles better. The Civic has always been the best handling car in its class. The suspension also tends to last longer when they are firmed up. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:16:29 PM EDT
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Because it handles better. The Civic has always been the best handling car in its class. The suspension also tends to last longer when they are firmed up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For $17K and change you can get a brand new Honda Civic LX. For $15K you can get a 2013 Civic LX with ~20,000 miles. For $10K you can get a 2008 Civic LX with ~200,000 miles. Those bitches hold their values and keep running. Went buying yesterday and bought the new one. Except if you get a 2006-2001 civic you will need a new ass. Seriously, I will never understand why Honda made the suspension so firm. Because it handles better. The Civic has always been the best handling car in its class. The suspension also tends to last longer when they are firmed up. The mazda 3 is comparable if not better with a less firm/harsh suspension. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:25:02 PM EDT
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What made you go for the civic? The boy liked it and they're reliable as hell. The equal Camry was almost another two thousand dollars. My only bitch is that the seat is low. |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:26:05 PM EDT
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Do you own a truck already? 
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:32:40 PM EDT
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My previous car was a 2009 Civic LX-S, and my current car is a 2014 Mazda3 Touring. The Civics being built today aren't a whole lot different from my 2009. They're a little different cosmetically, and they switched from a 5 speed auto to a CVT, but that's about the bulk of it. I bought my Civic as a very low mileage used car in 2009, and it was my DD up until it was totaled in a car accident last month. I had a little over 100k on it at the time of the accident. I never had a single mechanical issue with the car. Even as I drove it away from the scene of the accident that totaled it, the check engine light didn't come on. It really hurt when the insurance adjuster told me it was totaled, and I still really miss it. Based on the experience I had with that car, I considered buying another. I wasn't really enthusiastic about the idea of buying a vehicle with a CVT, and the current generation seems to be only offered with grey or beige interiors. They're ho-hum, but I'd guess they're a solid choice if you're looking for solid transportation. My experiences driving Mazda vehicles and the reviews I read and watched (a few dozen) all pointed towards the Mazda3. I rolled over to my local Mazda dealer to look at a few and go for a drive. They had 2014 leftovers of the Touring trim (the other trims sold better), and that's what I chose based on the pricing offered. The Mazda3 deserves all the positive reviews it's been getting. This car is one of the best handling front wheel drive cars I've ever driven. It's precise around corners, and there isn't much roll. I was a little concerned about the electric power steering (I've driven some bad examples), but Mazda's system is pretty good. The weight changes with speed. It's very light and almost overboosted at parking lot speeds, but when you get rolling, it tightens up and is nicely weighted. The seats are very good for a car of this class. The fabric is nice, and the bolsters provide plenty of support for cutting into curves and corners with enthusiasm. I'm curious what you think of when you say the exterior bugs you. Are you thinking about the previous generation's smiley car, or the current generation's Kodo car? http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k620/Bassgasm1/awesome_mazda3_zps6cd9b850.jpghttp://www.torquenews.com/sites/default/files/image-1616/2014_mazda3_four-door_0.jpg Volkswagen? VAG is only good when it ends in "ina."
Really, though, I'd only recommend VW to those with money to spend looking at TDi and GTI cars. The Corolla should be a reliable car that gets the job done, but that's about where the good news ends. It's not a particularly competitive car by any metric, other that sales. The Toyota reputation is what sells it. The only other advice I'd have is concerning your budget. At $15k, you're stopping just short of the price point for a new car, unless you get something like a Kia Forte or Chevy Cruze with markdowns. Give the choice between a certified used car with 30-50k miles for $15k and a brand new one for $18k, I'd take the brand new one. Knowing how it was broken in, driven, and maintained for that time is absolutely worth it. +1 My brother has an 08 Civic with 150K miles without any issues. I have owned an Accord and TSX without any issues. Honda is reliable and a decent car but out of those choices go for the Mazda. Mazda is the drivers car in this class, is reported to be as reliable as the others and the one I recommend. Also as suggested you’ll get a better value buying new. Why don't you step up to a TSX, Accord or Mazda 6? |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 11:34:19 PM EDT
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yes
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:26:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The boy liked it and they're reliable as hell. The equal Camry was almost another two thousand dollars. My only bitch is that the seat is low. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What made you go for the civic? The boy liked it and they're reliable as hell. The equal Camry was almost another two thousand dollars. My only bitch is that the seat is low. The seat height is adjustable. Forward lever on the left of the driver seat. Pump up to raise, pump down to lower. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 7:38:06 AM EDT
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While the jetta really isn't a bad commuter, it is a bit more pedestrian and uninspired then previous generations... its been dulled down for the US market.
So get this. 
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Posted: 8/5/2015 3:19:25 PM EDT
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TDI?
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Posted: 8/5/2015 6:11:27 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a newer TDI?
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Posted: 8/5/2015 11:02:33 PM EDT
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Because it handles better. The Civic has always been the best handling car in its class. The suspension also tends to last longer when they are firmed up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For $17K and change you can get a brand new Honda Civic LX. For $15K you can get a 2013 Civic LX with ~20,000 miles. For $10K you can get a 2008 Civic LX with ~200,000 miles. Those bitches hold their values and keep running. Went buying yesterday and bought the new one. Except if you get a 2006-2001 civic you will need a new ass. Seriously, I will never understand why Honda made the suspension so firm. Because it handles better. The Civic has always been the best handling car in its class. The suspension also tends to last longer when they are firmed up. LOL. |
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Posted: 8/6/2015 2:06:40 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a newer TDI? I have a 2013 with ~27k miles on it. |
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