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B8. What says the hive? Good little AWD sedan or nah?
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pulley and software, great. bang for buck though the new S3 is faster, particularly with software they do 3.7 seconds to 60 |
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GARBAGE...but what does 21 years of wholesaling cars and reconditioning experience know...
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GARBAGE...but what does 21 years of wholesaling cars and reconditioning experience know... View Quote not as much as 14 years as an Audi specialist. the 3.0t has been a pretty damn good motor. the biggest issues with the B8 cars was the early 2.0t and oil consumption. pretty solid otherwise. |
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not as much as 14 years as an Audi specialist. the 3.0t has been a pretty damn good motor. the biggest issues with the B8 cars was the early 2.0t and oil consumption. pretty solid otherwise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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GARBAGE...but what does 21 years of wholesaling cars and reconditioning experience know... not as much as 14 years as an Audi specialist. the 3.0t has been a pretty damn good motor. the biggest issues with the B8 cars was the early 2.0t and oil consumption. pretty solid otherwise. hmmm I'm looking at 2010-2012 right now. |
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I've had 3 Audi's a 98 A4, 2000 S4 and currently have a 2003 A4, loved all three of them, very reliable and great driving cars. Wish I still had my S4.
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maintenance costs are pretty high, and repairs. If nothing else, perhaps look into an aftermarket warranty. All State has one, and it gets good reviews.
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B8. What says the hive? Good little AWD sedan or nah? View Quote A4 - No. I had one (a 2012) which replaced my B6. The B8 is like driving a Volvo. Completely uninspiring, did poorly in the snow (whereas the B6 was unstoppable). I traded it in and got a Q7 TDI instead. It's like driving a bus, but at least it's supposed to be like that. |
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GARBAGE...but what does 21 years of wholesaling cars and reconditioning experience know... not as much as 14 years as an Audi specialist. the 3.0t has been a pretty damn good motor. the biggest issues with the B8 cars was the early 2.0t and oil consumption. pretty solid otherwise. hmmm I'm looking at 2010-2012 right now. are you looking at a S4 or A4. the S4 has a 3.0 supercharged V6, they're pretty good, this motor was used in the A6 for a few years before it was used in the S4, and on those I think I replaced one intake manifold flap and one of the radiators for the intercooler (its watercooled) but that was road debris. that one has over 100k on it. I've seen no problems with the S4 motor. the 2.0t with issues were the 09-10. 11' newer has the upgraded rings and PCV system. at this point those are the major common problems I've seen, one seal for the transmission electrical connector. |
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are you looking at a S4 or A4. the S4 has a 3.0 supercharged V6, they're pretty good, this motor was used in the A6 for a few years before it was used in the S4, and on those I think I replaced one intake manifold flap and one of the radiators for the intercooler (its watercooled) but that was road debris. that one has over 100k on it. I've seen no problems with the S4 motor. the 2.0t with issues were the 09-10. 11' newer has the upgraded rings and PCV system. at this point those are the major common problems I've seen, one seal for the transmission electrical connector. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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GARBAGE...but what does 21 years of wholesaling cars and reconditioning experience know... not as much as 14 years as an Audi specialist. the 3.0t has been a pretty damn good motor. the biggest issues with the B8 cars was the early 2.0t and oil consumption. pretty solid otherwise. hmmm I'm looking at 2010-2012 right now. are you looking at a S4 or A4. the S4 has a 3.0 supercharged V6, they're pretty good, this motor was used in the A6 for a few years before it was used in the S4, and on those I think I replaced one intake manifold flap and one of the radiators for the intercooler (its watercooled) but that was road debris. that one has over 100k on it. I've seen no problems with the S4 motor. the 2.0t with issues were the 09-10. 11' newer has the upgraded rings and PCV system. at this point those are the major common problems I've seen, one seal for the transmission electrical connector. Both, but there are more A4 options in that price range. There's a good price on a 2005 S4 with the big V8 locally, but I haven't researched them at all. |
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Both, but there are more A4 options in that price range. There's a good price on a 2005 S4 with the big V8 locally, but I haven't researched them at all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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GARBAGE...but what does 21 years of wholesaling cars and reconditioning experience know... not as much as 14 years as an Audi specialist. the 3.0t has been a pretty damn good motor. the biggest issues with the B8 cars was the early 2.0t and oil consumption. pretty solid otherwise. hmmm I'm looking at 2010-2012 right now. are you looking at a S4 or A4. the S4 has a 3.0 supercharged V6, they're pretty good, this motor was used in the A6 for a few years before it was used in the S4, and on those I think I replaced one intake manifold flap and one of the radiators for the intercooler (its watercooled) but that was road debris. that one has over 100k on it. I've seen no problems with the S4 motor. the 2.0t with issues were the 09-10. 11' newer has the upgraded rings and PCV system. at this point those are the major common problems I've seen, one seal for the transmission electrical connector. Both, but there are more A4 options in that price range. There's a good price on a 2005 S4 with the big V8 locally, but I haven't researched them at all. be very cautious of the V8 S4's... if maintained well they were good, if they got cheap oil changes they can become real problems. the cam chain adjusters don't like being sledged up, they don't apply enough pressure and the guides break. not a good situation. if that car has 5k services at the dealer it might be good, if not I would look elsewhere. |
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Love.
Stay on top of maintenance and it'll be a great car. Be aware that it's not a Honda Civic. |
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The B5 S4's were a serious sleeper but overall, Audi's realibility is bad and newer Audi's don't age well. Get a previous gen M3
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B8. What says the hive? Good little AWD sedan or nah? View Quote Just get a wrx and call it a day. |
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I look at Audis this way: - Non S Line: Pretty girl with some minor issues. She has a good job and presents a very professional appearance. Not too high maint. Long term prospect. - S Line: Attractive girl with some minor issues. She has a good job and presents a very professional appearance. Not too high maint. Long term prospect - S Car: Hot girl with some minor issues. She may have a touch of the crazy. She has a marginal job that she is frequently absent from. A little high maint. - RS Car: Smoking hot girl that you dated longer than you should have. You made bad choices to be with her. Major issues. No question that she is Nucking Futz. You fell madly in love with her, but had to break it off as there would been law enforcement intervention if the relationship went further. Yes, I am speaking from experience on the RS and Girl metaphor. Pick of my RS6 (sold) below. No pic of my ex. <a href="http://s485.photobucket.com/user/Karl_Lazlo/media/Public/Lazlo_RS6_after_2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr216/Karl_Lazlo/Public/Lazlo_RS6_after_2.jpg</a> View Quote |
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Back in 2012 was looking at 2012 A4 back when we were looking for a car for my wife. I have no experience, but heard too many bad reviews on the 2.0T and we ended up with a TSX. The S4 was more than we wanted to spend.
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Quoted: Back in 2012 was looking at 2012 A4 back when we were looking for a car for my wife. I have no experience, but heard too many bad reviews on the 2.0T and we ended up with a TSX. The S4 was more than we wanted to spend. View Quote |
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The 2.0T is an old engine, in need of an update. HP is low compared to similar engines. The plus side is, they have worked out almost all the issues at this point. I get avg 33 mpg in my '14 VW CC , which seems a little low in this era, but was good back in 2005. I drive almost exclusively highway and rural. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Back in 2012 was looking at 2012 A4 back when we were looking for a car for my wife. I have no experience, but heard too many bad reviews on the 2.0T and we ended up with a TSX. The S4 was more than we wanted to spend. There are 2 different 2.0T engines. The older first generation ones in the B6/B7 cars are shit. Timing belt, pain in the ass oil filter, intake valve deposits, oil consumption, soft cam followers, and other issues I'm forgetting. The current version fixed ALL of that and is a completely different engine. The B8 A4 still sucks. And I say that as someone that likes Audis and still owns 2. |
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I'll add that Audi still has the best interiors of anyone. Quality of materials, layout, function, etc, etc. I'd be really cautious of an out of warranty S4 without knowing its every service; a car serviced only by an Audi dealer a must. The 3.0 is a solid motor but after my B5, I'm leery of Audi's forced induction cost-cutting.
The previous v8's were front heavy bitches but dat AWD made up for a lot. If you could find the right one, at the right price I'd say fo. Still, I think I'd rather have the previous M3 with a stick. Audi's double-clutch is better IMO than BMW's if that's a concern but I'd want a stick still just for simplicity. Great cars, fun cars but ANY German car must have it's preventative work done. Do not treat one as you would a Toyota or Honda and you'll be fine. Oh and I don't know how the B7-B8 platforms are but the B5 was a biotch to work on and parts are crazy expensive. |
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Quoted: If new, then it's good. Used, stay away. View Quote ETA the 2.0T is very under tuned from the factory. a Chip will get you a reliable 50HP extra. I got 33mpg on the way to the track. |
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the audi will be cheaper. lol have you seen resale on wrx? I looked a while ago and the oldest beater I could find was still over 20K. I'll pass. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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B8. What says the hive? Good little AWD sedan or nah? Just get a wrx and call it a day. Revisit thing when something expensive on your audi goes tits up or needs to be replaced. |
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If the trans goes they are about 650 for a used one. if the motor goes it will get a 2.5 5cyl from a vw and a big turbo for 400+ hp and $400 for the motor. I am not worried.
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bought my 2007 A4 about a year ago with 114K on it. 6spd FWD 2.0T. Its chipped and has a test pipe. Just did a track day with it last weekend. car handles insanely good for being a fwd luxury car. I have a buddy who works at a local performance/service place for VW/audi/porshe. I've done a timing belt, and oil changes. over 140K now. never had an issue. ETA the 2.0T is very under tuned from the factory. a Chip will get you a reliable 50HP extra. I got 33mpg on the way to the track. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If new, then it's good. Used, stay away. ETA the 2.0T is very under tuned from the factory. a Chip will get you a reliable 50HP extra. I got 33mpg on the way to the track. Have an A5 with a 2.0 and it's been in three times for oil consumption. And a handful of times for other warranty work. 65k on it now. Bought it with 41k. Not happy at all. Nice car that gets good gas mileage though. I'll never own another used Audi. I would consider new however. |
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Go original s4/s6. 20v turbo FTMFW.
Seriously these cars are becoming more and more rare, they're incredibly reliable and capable of ridiculous HP |
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OP, I'd suggest you please surf Audi and Audi S owners forums for an honest picture of ownership. I've done this for about every vehicle I've bought in the past decade or so, and it's been a spot-on prediction of the pleasures and pains of owning and maintaining the vehicle. Otherwise, you'll just likely encounter much confirmation bias here in GD from a small sampling.
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I came pretty close to buying an A3 a couple months back. I liked them more than the A4's.
Ultimately, I decided it was more than I wanted to spend for a commuter car, which was the role it was intended for. (I had an E320 that I'd bought used, it was a good car, but ever f'ing widget was $800...) I didn't look at the S's, because I was looking for MPG's more than performance. ETA: Someone above mentioned Acura. The TLX is a very nice car. Except that it's an Accord. For more money. With less stuff on it. |
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Quoted: I had one for a year just so I can say I've owned a V8 motor. http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x422/Armourer-in-training/Car/4.jpg http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x422/Armourer-in-training/Car/In4.jpg Only trouble I had was that 2 of the 3 radiators sprung a leak. Was fairly costly. Practical and quick, I do miss the rumble of the exhaust. Drove it to Belgium to go shoot pistols, averaged 28MPG doing the speed limit the whole way. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The 4.2L V8 S4 was a pretty reliable motor. I had one for a year just so I can say I've owned a V8 motor. http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x422/Armourer-in-training/Car/4.jpg http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x422/Armourer-in-training/Car/In4.jpg Only trouble I had was that 2 of the 3 radiators sprung a leak. Was fairly costly. Practical and quick, I do miss the rumble of the exhaust. Drove it to Belgium to go shoot pistols, averaged 28MPG doing the speed limit the whole way. |
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Had 2 customers this month have Audis gontits up on um and a co-worker with a non operable Jetta that the dealer is clueless how to fix .
It ain't the late 80s anymore witj German cars |
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not as much as 14 years as an Audi specialist. the 3.0t has been a pretty damn good motor. the biggest issues with the B8 cars was the early 2.0t and oil consumption. pretty solid otherwise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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GARBAGE...but what does 21 years of wholesaling cars and reconditioning experience know... not as much as 14 years as an Audi specialist. the 3.0t has been a pretty damn good motor. the biggest issues with the B8 cars was the early 2.0t and oil consumption. pretty solid otherwise. Talk to me about the 2015 Q5..... |
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Also, I realize this has been beaten to death, but all should carefully consider when acquiring a new vehicle with an engine with direct injection, if you already have a vehicle that you are happy with that has traditional port injection. Just sayn', in case you plan to keep the vehicle for the long haul.
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You know, I was really looking at a Nighthawk 1911 "Just get a hi point and save a bunch of money" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Get a WRX and an accessport and save $20k. You know, I was really looking at a Nighthawk 1911 "Just get a hi point and save a bunch of money" Maybe interior wise but the engine/drivertrain of the subaru is pretty good. |
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Quoted: Also, I realize this has been beaten to death, but all should carefully consider when acquiring a new vehicle with an engine with direct injection, if you already have a vehicle that you are happy with that has traditional port injection. Just sayn', in case you plan to keep the vehicle for the long haul. View Quote |
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GARBAGE...but what does 21 years of wholesaling cars and reconditioning experience know... not as much as 14 years as an Audi specialist. the 3.0t has been a pretty damn good motor. the biggest issues with the B8 cars was the early 2.0t and oil consumption. pretty solid otherwise. Talk to me about the 2015 Q5..... Which motor. The v6 tdi is bad ass, though they haven't been out longf enough for me to have a good opinion of them yet. The urea system on the older version of this motor were finicky but worth it as the power and economy from that motor is pretty damn impressive. If your planning on going more offroad then just poor maintence dirt roads I probably wouldn't suggest it, the zf gearbox is a great road/ light duty transmission, and the vehicle will do well in bad weather on road, getting in heavy mud/ rocks might be more then it can take on a regular basis. I The 2.0 is a bit more buzzy then the.other motors, but they still run surprisingly well and you don't really notice the weight of the vehicle. The 2011 was the first year for the 2.0t, though I don't know of oil consumtion issues for that year its something to be aware of, it was also the first year for the 8 speed. The 3.2v6 on the early ones was a stout little motor, though they didn't get very good mileage. The problems that occured with those were lower intake flap actuators would fail and vacuum pump gasket would leak oil, neither life threatening just annoying. The manifold flaps weren't cheap. Short of a bad battery I never had a car with this engine towed in (the same driveline was available in the b7 a4) |
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Maybe interior wise but the engine/drivertrain of the subaru is pretty good. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Get a WRX and an accessport and save $20k. You know, I was really looking at a Nighthawk 1911 "Just get a hi point and save a bunch of money" Maybe interior wise but the engine/drivertrain of the subaru is pretty good. The subaru drivetrain is simpler and have compareable or even higher peek output numbers, in no way will they match the refinement. Looking at numbers alone doesn't really give an accurate assessment of cars. Slam the doors, turn up the radio, sit in the seat for 8 hours, hit the brakes, pass on the highway, get stuck in traffic. Its all the stuff you don't think about on the test drive that they do better. Subaru may break less (debateable) but it also has way less to break, even though theyve gotten better, they're still just a bit agricultural. Don't kid yourself, that $20k difference isn't made up in seat and dash covers. |
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good. pulley and software, great. bang for buck though the new S3 is faster, particularly with software they do 3.7 seconds to 60 View Quote But the S3 is wrong wheel drive, and even if you get the "quattro" system, it's not really a Quattro system because the engine is sideways and it's "slip then grip" fAuxWD that sends all the power to the front 90% of the time. |
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not following you. if you like your old style lower power and MPG car don't get a newer better one? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, I realize this has been beaten to death, but all should carefully consider when acquiring a new vehicle with an engine with direct injection, if you already have a vehicle that you are happy with that has traditional port injection. Just sayn', in case you plan to keep the vehicle for the long haul. Intake valve deposits are the issue. |
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In before NUjbrown comes in here and verbally jacks off to the B5S4.
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The v6 tdi is bad ass, though they haven't been out longf enough for me to have a good opinion of them yet. The urea system on the older version of this motor were finicky but worth it as the power and economy from that motor is pretty damn impressive. The 2.0 is a bit more buzzy then the.other motors, but they still run surprisingly well and you don't really notice the weight of the vehicle. The 2011 was the first year for the 2.0t, though I don't know of oil consumtion issues for that year its something to be aware of, it was also the first year for the 8 speed. View Quote The 3.0 TDI is awesome. I have one in a Q7, which is a 5500lb vehicle, and it still gets almost 30mpg on the highway. My wife drives a 2011 Q5 2.0T. Performance-wise it's actually good, the 3.0T almost seems like overkill in that vehicle. Maintenance is easy, I've done all of it myself using OEM parts and 504/507 oil every 5K miles. At 70K miles it has just now started having some noticeable oil consumption, but not an alarming rate. Maybe 1qt over 5K miles. Overall we've been very happy with it. Brakes lasted over 60K miles, which was impressive. |
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But the S3 is wrong wheel drive, and even if you get the "quattro" system, it's not really a Quattro system because the engine is sideways and it's "slip then grip" fAuxWD that sends all the power to the front 90% of the time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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good. pulley and software, great. bang for buck though the new S3 is faster, particularly with software they do 3.7 seconds to 60 But the S3 is wrong wheel drive, and even if you get the "quattro" system, it's not really a Quattro system because the engine is sideways and it's "slip then grip" fAuxWD that sends all the power to the front 90% of the time. Lol wut. Its generation 5 haldex, not like the early gen 2 cars where you had to roll forward slightly before the diff had pressure to lock the new system has a pressure accumulator to lock the differential based on throttle application. When engaged its a 50/50 lock. Its as awd as it gets, except its better be ause crusing down the highway no need to keep powering the rear wheels just using fuel. I guarantee you will never notice the difference between haldex and torsen, except maybe the 40/60 torsen cars that let you step the rear out a bit. I own a gen 4 haldex car, tuned to make a bit more the. 300 ft/lbs torque. Using launch control I've never heard the front tires so much as squeek, it juat squats and goes. Compared to a gti with the same motor and software where the tires bounch and spin. Haldex hate is by people who don't understand haldex, or only have experience with gen2.. |
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My first car was a 2011 A4 with 33k miles on it. I had no issues other than a coil pack going out. I drove her from GA to CO without a problem, getting almost 490 miles per tank on the open highway. I then upgraded to a 2015 S4 due to the altitude leaving my A4 underpowered and I LOVE it.
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I don't know about the B8, but my B6 (2004 1/2) is still beautiful and going strong. I have the normally aspirated 3.0 engine, though.
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I can't really debate the performance of current Haldex awd cars because I don't have enough time in them.
They require periodic maintenance thats beyond the ability of owners to perform properly in nearly every case. Every 35k miles I believe. They also use sensors and electronic controllers, an inherent complication that creates sources of failure. Torsen doesn't have these issues. |
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