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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:13:20 PM EDT
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Free will and human nature, how do they work?
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:14:13 PM EDT
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Someone's dad is the mailman.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:14:19 PM EDT
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This will somehow turn into a buttsex thread.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:15:34 PM EDT
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IT'S ABOUT DOMINATING THE WOMAN!
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:15:36 PM EDT
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. Me and my sister are complete opposites...for two reasons...one she had some trauma she went through at a young age...and my parents actually treated her different... |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:16:49 PM EDT
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Who argues that one variable determines how a child turns out?
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:18:53 PM EDT
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I've never seen anyone with any sort of credential claim that either nature or nurture was solely responsible for outcome.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:19:02 PM EDT
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Who argues that one variable determines how a child turns out? See the 10million dollar inheritance thread. If your kids turn out good, you did a good job. If they turn out bad, you fucked up. Retards. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:19:39 PM EDT
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Yeah sounds about like my brother and I...we're polar opposites. I'm laid back, he's high strung, I don't get angry, he's constantly angry, I'm a cop, he's been locked up twice
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:19:46 PM EDT
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Me and my sister are complete opposites...for two reasons...one she had some trauma she went through at a young age...and my parents actually treated her different... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. Me and my sister are complete opposites...for two reasons...one she had some trauma she went through at a young age...and my parents actually treated her different... How does she do with grammar? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:20:53 PM EDT
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I think genetics has a bigger role in who we are than we are willing to admit. I say that as the father of two boys who are very different.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:21:31 PM EDT
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A wise man once told me nurture can only build on the blocks nature gives it.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:23:53 PM EDT
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Me and my sister are complete opposites...for two reasons...one she had some trauma she went through at a young age...and my parents actually treated her different... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. Me and my sister are complete opposites...for two reasons...one she had some trauma she went through at a young age...and my parents actually treated her different... My brother and I are complete opposites. He's literally sitting around at 39 years old waiting for grandparents to die so he can get an inheritance. Which he doesn't know is less than $3k, because our grandparents know what he's doing. He didn't have a job at all from 8 years ago until 3 years ago, when my ex wife hired him part time at her store, and she ended up trying to get him fired for laziness before she left 4 months ago. Last month he finally got on full time. He lives rent free with our mom and if he's not at work, he's in bed. I own a business and work two other jobs, am slowly learning another trade. I'm taking care of my kids, horses, land, etc, and having fun, working hard, and I'm happy with life. We were raised identically. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:25:20 PM EDT
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See the 10million dollar inheritance thread. If your kids turn out good, you did a good job. If they turn out bad, you fucked up. Retards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who argues that one variable determines how a child turns out? See the 10million dollar inheritance thread. If your kids turn out good, you did a good job. If they turn out bad, you fucked up. Retards. Anyone who argues that is a fucking retard. Being a good parent matters, but its not the only variable at play. Uni-casual explanations are for the intellectually lazy. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:25:23 PM EDT
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. What on earth makes you think parenting is exactly the same among siblings? I guess you're so fucking smart tho because you don't have kids and somehow think you know how parenting works better than those who do it every day. I have a cousin like that, thinks he knows how to be a better dad than me because he has a fucking dog. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:25:39 PM EDT
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The Colorado adoption project has done massive research on this.
Bottom line it's 50% nature/50% nurture This is the kicker... the 50% nurture, comes from your peers, not your parents. Show me your friends and I'll show you your future. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:26:35 PM EDT
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Good parenting will drastically help to curb the potential for turning into a fuck up.
It doesn't work on everyone though, some people are just wired to be fuck ups forever. If you could a perfectly healthy kid of average genetics and clone him, then give one copy to parents that will instill values, structure and work ethic, and the the other copy to a set of shitty parents the odds will weigh heavily in the favor of the kid with the good parents to not be a total shit head by adult hood. He might still turn out to be a fuck up though, some people do. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:27:07 PM EDT
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See the 10million dollar inheritance thread. If your kids turn out good, you did a good job. If they turn out bad, you fucked up. Retards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who argues that one variable determines how a child turns out? See the 10million dollar inheritance thread. If your kids turn out good, you did a good job. If they turn out bad, you fucked up. Retards. LOL. You read a lot into very few words. I gather that is the way things are done. Read something, decide you know what they want to say better than they did, then get angry over what you think they said. LOL. It's a talent, a real talent. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:27:09 PM EDT
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I grew up with a pair of twin brothers. We were in school together, were on sports teams together, were in boy scouts together (and their dad was our troop leader to boot). From all accounts that I could see they both received the same treatment from their parents, they got the same quality and quantity of love, clothing, food, shelter, you name it. They were in the same class, they had the same friends, they did the same activities, got roughly the same grades (I knew because all the boys shared report card results with each other), ad nauseium.
And one of them was a great guy and the other one was a complete asshole. The best I can figure the asshole twin just saw his brother as somehow having something he didn't have, even though they had everything the same, and he developed a complex. The last I heard the "good" twin was married with kids and a job, still living in Escondido and being an otherwise normal guy (he's one of my like twenty facebook friends). The "asshole" twin is in jail doing time for killing a guy in a bad drug deal. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:27:26 PM EDT
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I think genetics has a bigger role in who we are than we are willing to admit. I say that as the father of two boys who are very different. Probably. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:28:13 PM EDT
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My brother and I are complete opposites. He's literally sitting around at 39 years old waiting for grandparents to die so he can get an inheritance. Which he doesn't know is less than $3k, because our grandparents know what he's doing. He didn't have a job at all from 8 years ago until 3 years ago, when my ex wife hired him part time at her store, and she ended up trying to get him fired for laziness before she left 4 months ago. Last month he finally got on full time. He lives rent free with our mom and if he's not at work, he's in bed. I own a business and work two other jobs, am slowly learning another trade. I'm taking care of my kids, horses, land, etc, and having fun, working hard, and I'm happy with life. We were raised identically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. Me and my sister are complete opposites...for two reasons...one she had some trauma she went through at a young age...and my parents actually treated her different... My brother and I are complete opposites. He's literally sitting around at 39 years old waiting for grandparents to die so he can get an inheritance. Which he doesn't know is less than $3k, because our grandparents know what he's doing. He didn't have a job at all from 8 years ago until 3 years ago, when my ex wife hired him part time at her store, and she ended up trying to get him fired for laziness before she left 4 months ago. Last month he finally got on full time. He lives rent free with our mom and if he's not at work, he's in bed. I own a business and work two other jobs, am slowly learning another trade. I'm taking care of my kids, horses, land, etc, and having fun, working hard, and I'm happy with life. We were raised identically. And so you think. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:28:47 PM EDT
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What on earth makes you think parenting is exactly the same among siblings? I guess you're so fucking smart tho because you don't have kids and somehow think you know how parenting works better than those who do it every day. I have a cousin like that, thinks he knows how to be a better dad than me because he has a fucking dog. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. What on earth makes you think parenting is exactly the same among siblings? I guess you're so fucking smart tho because you don't have kids and somehow think you know how parenting works better than those who do it every day. I have a cousin like that, thinks he knows how to be a better dad than me because he has a fucking dog. My oldest will be a teenager next week. The youngest, about 13 months from then. What about me not having kids?
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:29:07 PM EDT
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Anyone dumb enough to argue nurture alone determines outcome is a dumb shit that hasn't lived very much.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:29:09 PM EDT
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How does she do with grammar? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. Me and my sister are complete opposites...for two reasons...one she had some trauma she went through at a young age...and my parents actually treated her different... How does she do with grammar? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 100% better than me
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:29:16 PM EDT
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The Colorado adoption project has done massive research on this. Bottom line it's 50% nature/50% nurture This is the kicker... the 50% nurture, comes from your peers, not your parents. Show me your friends and I'll show you your future. I agree. For the most part. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:29:53 PM EDT
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LOL. You read a lot into very few words. I gather that is the way things are done. Read something, decide you know what they want to say better than they did, then get angry over what you think they said. LOL. It's a talent, a real talent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who argues that one variable determines how a child turns out? See the 10million dollar inheritance thread. If your kids turn out good, you did a good job. If they turn out bad, you fucked up. Retards. LOL. You read a lot into very few words. I gather that is the way things are done. Read something, decide you know what they want to say better than they did, then get angry over what you think they said. LOL. It's a talent, a real talent. If you think I'm angry, then you're less intelligent than I already thought. I'm laughing at you. Not angry at you. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:30:00 PM EDT
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The Colorado adoption project has done massive research on this. Bottom line it's 50% nature/50% nurture This is the kicker... the 50% nurture, comes from your peers, not your parents. Show me your friends and I'll show you your future. That makes sense, sort of why you can look at a graduating high school class and pretty much pick out which kids will fill which roles in life. Based on what I've seen those stereotypes end up being pretty accurate too. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:30:14 PM EDT
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My brother and I are complete opposites. He's literally sitting around at 39 years old waiting for grandparents to die so he can get an inheritance. Which he doesn't know is less than $3k, because our grandparents know what he's doing. He didn't have a job at all from 8 years ago until 3 years ago, when my ex wife hired him part time at her store, and she ended up trying to get him fired for laziness before she left 4 months ago. Last month he finally got on full time. He lives rent free with our mom and if he's not at work, he's in bed. I own a business and work two other jobs, am slowly learning another trade. I'm taking care of my kids, horses, land, etc, and having fun, working hard, and I'm happy with life. We were raised identically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. Me and my sister are complete opposites...for two reasons...one she had some trauma she went through at a young age...and my parents actually treated her different... My brother and I are complete opposites. He's literally sitting around at 39 years old waiting for grandparents to die so he can get an inheritance. Which he doesn't know is less than $3k, because our grandparents know what he's doing. He didn't have a job at all from 8 years ago until 3 years ago, when my ex wife hired him part time at her store, and she ended up trying to get him fired for laziness before she left 4 months ago. Last month he finally got on full time. He lives rent free with our mom and if he's not at work, he's in bed. I own a business and work two other jobs, am slowly learning another trade. I'm taking care of my kids, horses, land, etc, and having fun, working hard, and I'm happy with life. We were raised identically. I bet there were difference that are just not apparent... then there is also the DNA/gene differences. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:30:28 PM EDT
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personal experiences and the domino effect of choices also makes a huge difference. Even growing up with the same family values, nurturing parents, good schools, all it takes is one bad decision to start a downward spiral.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:30:40 PM EDT
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. Nature and nurture, bro. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:30:54 PM EDT
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IT'S ABOUT DOMINATING THE WOMAN! I just spit water everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:30:57 PM EDT
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My parents gave up after me. My siblings are fooked.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:31:00 PM EDT
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. Me and my sister are complete opposites...for two reasons...one she had some trauma she went through at a young age...and my parents actually treated her different... My brother and I are complete opposites. He's literally sitting around at 39 years old waiting for grandparents to die so he can get an inheritance. Which he doesn't know is less than $3k, because our grandparents know what he's doing. He didn't have a job at all from 8 years ago until 3 years ago, when my ex wife hired him part time at her store, and she ended up trying to get him fired for laziness before she left 4 months ago. Last month he finally got on full time. He lives rent free with our mom and if he's not at work, he's in bed. I own a business and work two other jobs, am slowly learning another trade. I'm taking care of my kids, horses, land, etc, and having fun, working hard, and I'm happy with life. We were raised identically. And so you think. So you were in my house and know? Or are you thinking you're more knowledgeable than you are, yet again? |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:31:14 PM EDT
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IT'S ABOUT DOMINATING THE WOMAN! SHAVE ALL THE VAGINAS!!!! |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:33:46 PM EDT
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I'm the father of 2.5 year old girl/boy twins.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:34:37 PM EDT
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My oldest will be a teenager next week. The youngest, about 13 months from then. What about me not having kids? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. What on earth makes you think parenting is exactly the same among siblings? I guess you're so fucking smart tho because you don't have kids and somehow think you know how parenting works better than those who do it every day. I have a cousin like that, thinks he knows how to be a better dad than me because he has a fucking dog. My oldest will be a teenager next week. The youngest, about 13 months from then. What about me not having kids? Well allow me to amend my statement., you have kids, congrats. One is probably different from the other. Good for you. You come off as a douche rocket, holier than thou cock smoker regardless 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:35:27 PM EDT
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You need therapy. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:44:45 PM EDT
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You need therapy. Well I suppose you're an expert, got a couch I can lay on and tell you all about my childhood and how someone did something and my genes are responsible for my behavior? |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:52:00 PM EDT
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Well I suppose you're an expert, got a couch I can lay on and tell you all about my childhood and how someone did something and my genes are responsible for my behavior? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You need therapy. Well I suppose you're an expert, got a couch I can lay on and tell you all about my childhood and how someone did something and my genes are responsible for my behavior? Kevv, dude, calm down. Dan is good people. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:53:39 PM EDT
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See the 10million dollar inheritance thread. If your kids turn out good, you did a good job. If they turn out bad, you fucked up. Retards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who argues that one variable determines how a child turns out? See the 10million dollar inheritance thread. If your kids turn out good, you did a good job. If they turn out bad, you fucked up. Retards. You demand an absolute and absolutes rarely conform to human endeavors. For instance, if you get pneumonia and refuse medical care, the odds are high that you will die. If you go to the hospital, the odds are high that you will survive. The odds are not absolute. Some hospital patients die of pneumonia and some untreated patients survive. If you don't wear the seatbelt and you have a high speed wreck, the odds are high that you will die. If you wear the seatbelt, you increase the odds you'll survive. Not always in either case. I know assholes who were raised by wealthy, loving parents. My friend Mike was raised by a violent alcoholic and he was a self made millionaire when he was 30. Mostly, though, it works the way people said it works. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 5:56:28 PM EDT
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Kevv, dude, calm down. Dan is good people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You need therapy. Well I suppose you're an expert, got a couch I can lay on and tell you all about my childhood and how someone did something and my genes are responsible for my behavior? Kevv, dude, calm down. Dan is good people. I'm sure that he is, I'm just in an argumentative mood, and happen to click on this thread. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:01:33 PM EDT
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You demand an absolute and absolutes rarely conform to human endeavors. For instance, if you get pneumonia and refuse medical care, the odds are high that you will die. If you go to the hospital, the odds are high that you will survive. The odds are not absolute. Some hospital patients die of pneumonia and some untreated patients survive. If you don't wear the seatbelt and you have a high speed wreck, the odds are high that you will die. If you wear the seatbelt, you increase the odds you'll survive. Not always in either case. I know assholes who were raised by wealthy, loving parents. My friend Mike was raised by a violent alcoholic and he was a self made millionaire when he was 30. Mostly, though, it works the way people said it works. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Who argues that one variable determines how a child turns out? See the 10million dollar inheritance thread. If your kids turn out good, you did a good job. If they turn out bad, you fucked up. Retards. You demand an absolute and absolutes rarely conform to human endeavors. For instance, if you get pneumonia and refuse medical care, the odds are high that you will die. If you go to the hospital, the odds are high that you will survive. The odds are not absolute. Some hospital patients die of pneumonia and some untreated patients survive. If you don't wear the seatbelt and you have a high speed wreck, the odds are high that you will die. If you wear the seatbelt, you increase the odds you'll survive. Not always in either case. I know assholes who were raised by wealthy, loving parents. My friend Mike was raised by a violent alcoholic and he was a self made millionaire when he was 30. Mostly, though, it works the way people said it works. Mostly, adults are the product of countless factors, many of which aren't fully understood. I don't demand an absolute, I'm denying the absolute that was presented. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:04:27 PM EDT
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We should ban people who use mega links when posting photos
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:05:43 PM EDT
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We should ban people who use mega links when posting photos Agreed |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:12:59 PM EDT
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My wife's Family. 1 is a Partner at a law firm, My wife is an architect, one has two felonies. To be fair the felonious one has been on the up and up for many years now but one can't really get a good job with a history like that.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:46:59 PM EDT
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siblings raised side by side that turn out radically different? If you're an intelligent human being and realize that children are influenced by way more than parents, then this question isn't for you. It's for the ignorant people that can't see reality. Parenting can influence how kids turn out, but kid develop their personality early in life. You can do everything right and they turn out shits, or do everything wrong and they turn out great people. You are your own person in charge of your own fate. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:50:08 PM EDT
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Parents often treat siblings differently based on the sibling's personality and their personal preferences. Few parents don't secretly have a favourite child, or a child they generally get along better with.
Second, traumas can happen to one sibling but not both. I was molested. My brother wasn't. My father beat me. He didn't beat my brother. Et cetera. Thirdly, in dysfunctional families, siblings tend to either try and maintain the status quo of fucked-up-edness, or they point out that things are fucked up and become known to the rest of the family as the "troublemaker." Guess which one I am, and guess which one my brother is. There's a lot more to it than that, but those are three places to start, OP. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:53:40 PM EDT
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Only an idiot would claim; "kids are PURELY a product of the parenting"
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:56:11 PM EDT
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my buddy is a good guy who has a wife and kids and has a job. his brother lives with his parents in the basement. he does drugs, plays video games, steals shit and is now doing 6 months in jail for his latest thefts. they where raised by the same parents. one turned out great the other is a turd.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 6:58:49 PM EDT
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Anyone dumb enough to argue nurture alone determines outcome is a dumb shit that hasn't lived very much. 87% of gd posters havent lived very much. its scary laving moms basement. |
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