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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:09:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:10:32 PM EDT
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Small clumps of cells. Oh wait, that's a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity." 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:11:39 PM EDT
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Lions I wonder what PETA (or anyone else) would say if big game hunters went out and caught female lions (lionesses?) and instead of killing them, decided to cut their unborn cubs from their bodies instead. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:12:26 PM EDT
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Lions Morally, abortions are fine if the doctor feels his or her life is threatened by the fetus. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:12:27 PM EDT
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Look, you're never gonna convince anyone . It sucks but it is what it is. That murdered baby has human DNA . They can say fetus all day long . What kind of DNA does it have? Human. It's a human fucking being and people are chopping them up and selling them . I can't say anymore or I'd get banned |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:13:05 PM EDT
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Small bundle of cells. Oh wait, thats a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Small bundle of cells. Oh wait, thats a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
That's an apples and oranges argument again, Dude. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:13:56 PM EDT
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That's an apples and oranges argument again, Dude. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Small bundle of cells. Oh wait, thats a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
That's an apples and oranges argument again, Dude. Not apples and oranges, babies and clitorii. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:14:07 PM EDT
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That's an apples and oranges argument again, Dude. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Small bundle of cells. Oh wait, thats a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
That's an apples and oranges argument again, Dude. Horseshit it is. Chop up a clit? Atrocity Chop up a baby? Profit |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:15:08 PM EDT
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Small bundle of cells. Oh wait, thats a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
I have several bundles of cells about my body (vestigial organs) and yet I am in no hurry to undergo a medical procedure, and every form of abortion carries with it some form of risk to the mother, that could result in physical harm or death to ride myself of them. There must be something more I am missing here. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:16:34 PM EDT
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Look, you're never gonna convince anyone . It sucks but it is what it is. That murdered baby has human DNA . They can say fetus all day long . What kind of DNA does it have? Human. It's a human fucking being and people are chopping them up and selling them . I can't say anymore or I'd get banned I have convinced some. Unfortunately many women do not come around until after they have an abortion. It's amazing how "removing a lump of cells" can cause a women such strong emotional distress and yet, in may cases, it does. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:17:18 PM EDT
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That's because the damn guides run off to give the meat go to the local villagers while you're still under anesthetic.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mothers of abortions don't pose with their kills. That's because the damn guides run off to give the meat go to the local villagers while you're still under anesthetic. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:17:32 PM EDT
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That's an apples and oranges argument again, Dude. I fully admit that I am a rather slow and spectacularly dense person but could you be so kind as to explain the difference between one clump of cells and the other and why the removal of one is sanctioned whereas the other is not? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:18:15 PM EDT
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Horseshit it is. Chop up a clit? Atrocity Chop up a baby? Profit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Small bundle of cells. Oh wait, thats a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
That's an apples and oranges argument again, Dude. Horseshit it is. Chop up a clit? Atrocity Chop up a baby? Profit I just hope you don't inadvertently support this atrocity by purchasing medical treatment that was created through human tissue testing. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:19:15 PM EDT
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? What am I killing? Not a damn thing. What do I support women doing? Using some damn birth control. Would I stop them from killing their own fetus? No, I don't have the right. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:19:26 PM EDT
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I have several bundles of cells about my body (vestigial organs) and yet I am in no hurry to undergo a medical procedure, and every form of abortion carries with it some form of risk to the mother, that could result in physical harm or death to ride myself of them. There must be something more I am missing here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Small bundle of cells. Oh wait, thats a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
I have several bundles of cells about my body (vestigial organs) and yet I am in no hurry to undergo a medical procedure, and every form of abortion carries with it some form of risk to the mother, that could result in physical harm or death to ride myself of them. There must be something more I am missing here. If you wait another couple of months to avoid a surgery the appendix doesn't cry and demand food. Ergo, its not the same as a kid. What other vestigial organ inside your body requires added oxygen, nutrition, and safety by the host and then between 17-24 years of support? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:20:35 PM EDT
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I have convinced some. Unfortunately many women do not come around until after they have an abortion. It's amazing how "removing a lump of cells" can cause a women such strong emotional distress and yet, in may cases, it does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look, you're never gonna convince anyone . It sucks but it is what it is. That murdered baby has human DNA . They can say fetus all day long . What kind of DNA does it have? Human. It's a human fucking being and people are chopping them up and selling them . I can't say anymore or I'd get banned I have convinced some. Unfortunately many women do not come around until after they have an abortion. It's amazing how "removing a lump of cells" can cause a women such strong emotional distress and yet, in may cases, it does. That's great. I'm glad. Really I am. On a whim I typed fetus into a thesaurus to see what it would give. The one that struck me was "unborn young"' Unborn young what ? But monsters are hung up on what it looks like at a given second of development, but then men are told to stop being so superficial about a woman's looks.... 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:21:58 PM EDT
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i better keep that to myself.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:22:12 PM EDT
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What am I killing? Not a damn thing. What do I support women doing? Using some damn birth control. Would I stop them from killing their own fetus? No, I don't have the right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? What am I killing? Not a damn thing. What do I support women doing? Using some damn birth control. Would I stop them from killing their own fetus? No, I don't have the right. At what point in a fetus' development is it your right to stop someone from maliciously killing them? Do they need to be exposed to air first and smacked on the ass? Should I be able to snip the spinal cord of one right before it crowns and be able to get away scot free? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:22:39 PM EDT
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Most of humanity needs to be exterminated. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:22:56 PM EDT
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Would I stop them from killing their own fetus? No, I don't have the right. What is a fetus that it can be killed? Is developing human a synonymy that can be used in place of fetus? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:23:12 PM EDT
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What did he pay to kill that lion? $50k? I bet that did a lot of preservation work in shit-hole Africa. I don't have the energy to talk about abortion today Aborting an unwanted baby could save someone and/or the taxpayer 150k or more. How many people bitching about and protesting abortion have adopted an unwanted child. Not a Chinese or Russian kid, but an American kid out of the projects. Didn't think so. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:23:45 PM EDT
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The tactics of the guides are pretty egregious from the sound of it and I don't buy the dude's claims that "I didn't know what they were doing". Horseshit. You wanted a Lion and you paid them to get you one and if that meant baiting one out of the preserve than so be it. I guess you missed that radio collar too huh?
As for the injection of abortion into it. It's always interesting to see who will go ape-shit because someone tossed a sack of kittens in the river calling for murder over it but will do mental pretzels to justify any and all abortive procedures. One is not directly related to other in any logical way but it's an interesting dichotomy still. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:23:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about fetuses? Them too? I knew as soon as I tried to edit I was fucked. Why am I not surprised it was by you? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:24:11 PM EDT
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Small bundle of cells. Oh wait, thats a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
That's an apples and oranges argument again, Dude. Horseshit it is. Chop up a clit? Atrocity Chop up a baby? Profit No. Let me spell this out for you. A clitoris is not a fetus. They are fundamentally different. If a woman wants to have her clitoris removed of her own free will and makes a conscious decision to go through with it, then that is her choice and she should be free t do so. To pin down an adolescent female and forcibly remove her clitoris against her free and conscious will is an act of barbarism, and can be called an atrocity. By comparing FGM to abotion all you are doing is trying to construct a false dichotomy. To make the comparison you do, actually undermines your argument. You are comparing a far more complex multi-organed, multicellular structure to a bundle of nerve endings. If you are opposed to aborton then I have no problem with your view at all. Cant say I approve of it myself. But making unrelated comparisons is not the way to express your point. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:24:26 PM EDT
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lol, you compared killing your kid with being able to put your dog to sleep versus clipping the ears off someone else's dog. Talk about irrational and upset, I'm laughing. I just find it funny and extremely hypocritical that you care more about a 10 year old's clitoris but don't give a fuck about that kid when she's in some lady's belly. What constitutes a child? Exposure to air? An analogy isn't a comparison, in that sense. But whatever. The situations are totally different. It's not hypocritical at all. Personhood is determined by level of cognition. Control over one's own body, and the non-person in it, belongs to that person and no one else. I can't tell the lady what to do with the fetus in her belly any more than I can tell you that you need to hand over a kidney because it will save another person's life. I can beg and I can cuss, but I can't compel you to do anything with your body you don't want to do. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:25:03 PM EDT
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Aborting an unwanted baby could save someone and/or the taxpayer  http://150k or more.
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What did he pay to kill that lion? $50k? I bet that did a lot of preservation work in shit-hole Africa. I don't have the energy to talk about abortion today Aborting an unwanted baby could save someone and/or the taxpayer http://150k or more.
How many people bitching about and protesting abortion have adopted an unwanted child. Not a Chinese or Russian kid, but an American kid out of the projects. Didn't think so. Wow, that's a whole lot of money saved. So for the price of a few viles of weaponized anthrax dumped into water supplies, imagine how much tax money we'll save? Holy shit, I think you found the answer to the tax problem! |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:25:24 PM EDT
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Lions My guides said I could.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:26:23 PM EDT
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Small clumps of cells. Oh wait, that's a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Small clumps of cells. Oh wait, that's a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
So you're cool with FGM, is what you're saying. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:26:24 PM EDT
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That's great. I'm glad. Really I am. On a whim I typed fetus into a thesaurus to see what it would give. The one that struck me was "unborn young"' Unborn young what ? But monsters are hung up on what it looks like at a given second of development, but then men are told to stop being so superficial about a woman's looks....
Being monstrous to a baby simply because they haven't grown enough for their liking is sickening I believe most if not all of them know on some level what they are doing. Keep fighting the good fight. People like you are making a difference even if that difference is not evident at the time. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:26:52 PM EDT
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I just hope you don't inadvertently support this atrocity by purchasing medical treatment that was created through human tissue testing. I don't care if it makes interstellar travel possible and cures cancer, creating a profit motive to push abortion is fucking evil, as is support of such a structure. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:26:52 PM EDT
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What about fetuses? Them too? I knew as soon as I tried to edit I was fucked. Why am I not surprised it was by you? I was in the right place and time to catch your faux pas. Lucky, because 'm going to use that quote every time you get overly emotional over dumb shit in future threads. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:27:35 PM EDT
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I don't care if you kill your fetus or your lion. If it's not your fetus or your lion, then that might be a problem. I really don't see how lion killing and fetus killing are related though. You sicken me. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:28:00 PM EDT
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Look, you're never gonna convince anyone . It sucks but it is what it is. That murdered baby has human DNA . They can say fetus all day long . What kind of DNA does it have? Human. It's a human fucking being and people are chopping them up and selling them . I can't say anymore or I'd get banned Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Look, you're never gonna convince anyone . It sucks but it is what it is. That murdered baby has human DNA . They can say fetus all day long . What kind of DNA does it have? Human. It's a human fucking being and people are chopping them up and selling them . I can't say anymore or I'd get banned Yes, it's human. But there are contexts when it's ok to kill humans. This is one of them. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:29:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It makes sense because a fetus is not a child. Who's talking about my trying it with my kid? I'm sorry if this shit makes you all irrational and upset. And if you just want to have your opinion and promote it, that's fine. I don't have an issue with you being anti-abortion. I certainly wouldn't have one. The only issue I have is if you try to take the right away from women. It's simply not the government's place to interfere in that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Apples and oranges. I have a right to put down my dog, I don't have a right to so much as cut the ears off yours. Women can kill her child in utero and its cool, but if she waits 10 years and only chop her clit off then its a "fucking atrocity." Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. BTW, your analogy is stupid. You might be able to put your dog down, because no one gives a shit. But try that with your kid, people might have some issues. It makes sense because a fetus is not a child. Who's talking about my trying it with my kid? I'm sorry if this shit makes you all irrational and upset. And if you just want to have your opinion and promote it, that's fine. I don't have an issue with you being anti-abortion. I certainly wouldn't have one. The only issue I have is if you try to take the right away from women. It's simply not the government's place to interfere in that. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:30:06 PM EDT
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A clitoris is not a fetus. They are fundamentally different. If a woman wants to have her clitoris removed of her own free will and makes a conscious decision to go through with it, then that is her choice and she should be free t do so. To pin down an adolescent female and forcibly remove her clitoris against her free and conscious will is an act of barbarism, and can be called an atrocity. By comparing FGM to abotion all you are doing is trying to construct a false dichotomy. To make the comparison you do, actually undermines your argument. You are comparing a far more complex multi-organed, multicellular structure to a bundle of nerve endings. If you are opposed to aborton then I have no problem with your view at all. Cant say I approve of it myself. But making unrelated comparisons is not the way to express your point. No one is comparing the procedures. I'm comparing her reaction. She cares more about the removal of a small part of a women's genital area, roughly 1/8th of the entire clitoris, that actually doesn't even stop orgasms from happening. So lessening the ability to achieve orgasm=fucking atrocity. But killing babies=women's right. Its the symbology man...can you dig it? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:30:29 PM EDT
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I have convinced some. Unfortunately many women do not come around until after they have an abortion. It's amazing how "removing a lump of cells" can cause a women such strong emotional distress and yet, in may cases, it does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look, you're never gonna convince anyone . It sucks but it is what it is. That murdered baby has human DNA . They can say fetus all day long . What kind of DNA does it have? Human. It's a human fucking being and people are chopping them up and selling them . I can't say anymore or I'd get banned I have convinced some. Unfortunately many women do not come around until after they have an abortion. It's amazing how "removing a lump of cells" can cause a women such strong emotional distress and yet, in may cases, it does. So women shouldn't have abortions. I agree. I'll urge them not to. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:30:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was in the right place and time to catch your faux pas. Lucky, because 'm going to use that quote every time you get overly emotional over dumb shit in future threads. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about fetuses? Them too? I knew as soon as I tried to edit I was fucked. Why am I not surprised it was by you? I was in the right place and time to catch your faux pas. Lucky, because 'm going to use that quote every time you get overly emotional over dumb shit in future threads. Use it against me?  OK. Have at it. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:30:49 PM EDT
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An analogy isn't a comparison, in that sense. But whatever. The situations are totally different. It's not hypocritical at all. Personhood is determined by level of cognition. Control over one's own body, and the non-person in it, belongs to that person and no one else. I can't tell the lady what to do with the fetus in her belly any more than I can tell you that you need to hand over a kidney because it will save another person's life. I can beg and I can cuss, but I can't compel you to do anything with your body you don't want to do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol, you compared killing your kid with being able to put your dog to sleep versus clipping the ears off someone else's dog. Talk about irrational and upset, I'm laughing. I just find it funny and extremely hypocritical that you care more about a 10 year old's clitoris but don't give a fuck about that kid when she's in some lady's belly. What constitutes a child? Exposure to air? An analogy isn't a comparison, in that sense. But whatever. The situations are totally different. It's not hypocritical at all. Personhood is determined by level of cognition. Control over one's own body, and the non-person in it, belongs to that person and no one else. I can't tell the lady what to do with the fetus in her belly any more than I can tell you that you need to hand over a kidney because it will save another person's life. I can beg and I can cuss, but I can't compel you to do anything with your body you don't want to do. Can mommy cut off her female fetus' clitoris in utero? Is that cool? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:31:29 PM EDT
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? Small clumps of cells. Oh wait, that's a clitoris, which she considers the removal being a "fucking atrocity."
So you're cool with FGM, is what you're saying. lol. Now who is emotional? No, I'm not down with removing small clumps of cells, whether they be babies or clits. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:32:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lions are endangered There is no shortage of pre-people. Have at 'em. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:32:28 PM EDT
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Personhood is determined by level of cognition. What level of cognition? By that definition it may be possible to "abort" children well after they have left the birth canal. Quoted:Control over one's own body, and the non-person in it, belongs to that person and no one else. I can't tell the lady what to do with the fetus in her belly any more than I can tell you that you need to hand over a kidney because it will save another person's life. I can beg and I can cuss, but I can't compel you to do anything with your body you don't want to do. If you take my property from me and swallow it, it is still my property despite the fact the property is currently residing within your property (body). My property may pass from your body naturally or it may not; requiring surgical extraction. The point is ownership does not necessarily transfer with venue. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:32:53 PM EDT
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I fully admit that I am a rather slow and spectacularly dense person but could you be so kind as to explain the difference between one clump of cells and the other and why the removal of one is sanctioned whereas the other is not? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's an apples and oranges argument again, Dude. I fully admit that I am a rather slow and spectacularly dense person but could you be so kind as to explain the difference between one clump of cells and the other and why the removal of one is sanctioned whereas the other is not? Hey, you said it, not me. But the bottom line is that you don't have the right to stop women from controlling their own bodies. You don't have to like it, you just can't stop them. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:34:29 PM EDT
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But the bottom line is that you don't have the right to stop women from controlling their own bodies. You don't have to like it, you just can't stop them. We are not talking about their own bodies. We are talking about a completely separate human being residing with in their bodies. You have no right to kill a person without just cause who happens to be renting your house (thus residing within your property) any more than you have a natural right to kill a person temporarily residing within your body (even more so when YOU PUT THAT PERSON THERE to begin with). |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:34:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:35:07 PM EDT
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Personhood is determined by level of cognition. What level of cognition? Yeah, what level? Does the kid have be entertaining, tell jokes and sing show tunes? Post online voraciously? Laugh? Cry? React to stimuli? What? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:38:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:38:29 PM EDT
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At what point in a fetus' development is it your right to stop someone from maliciously killing them? Do they need to be exposed to air first and smacked on the ass? Should I be able to snip the spinal cord of one right before it crowns and be able to get away scot free? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a person. Then what are you killing? What am I killing? Not a damn thing. What do I support women doing? Using some damn birth control. Would I stop them from killing their own fetus? No, I don't have the right. At what point in a fetus' development is it your right to stop someone from maliciously killing them? Do they need to be exposed to air first and smacked on the ass? Should I be able to snip the spinal cord of one right before it crowns and be able to get away scot free? In my opinion, a person should be able to evict anything and anyone from her body at any time. If the baby is viable outside the womb, then I'm comfortable with requiring her to remove it intact if she insists on removing it. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, what level? Does the kid have be entertaining, tell jokes and sing show tunes? Post online voraciously? Laugh? Cry? React to stimuli? What? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Personhood is determined by level of cognition. What level of cognition? Yeah, what level? Does the kid have be entertaining, tell jokes and sing show tunes? Post online voraciously? Laugh? Cry? React to stimuli? What? I fully understand your concern over this criteria. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:39:06 PM EDT
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What is a fetus that it can be killed? Is developing human a synonymy that can be used in place of fetus? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would I stop them from killing their own fetus? No, I don't have the right. What is a fetus that it can be killed? Is developing human a synonymy that can be used in place of fetus? Sure, why not? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:39:28 PM EDT
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One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
And, yes, I know the attribution. |
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