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Posted: 7/29/2015 12:16:51 PM EDT
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This dentist looks like Putin. Also, looks like a pretty damn accomplished bow hunter. He really could be an ARFCOM legend. Yeah, and just like Putin, he should smoke a giant turd in hell. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:16:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I could have told you that was going to happen if it was a thread about hunting muppets with a spear gun, but who gives a flying fuck about some old lion getting an arrow up the ass? Are we running out of lions or something? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We had a Facebook bet when/if beekeeper would show up to take joy in the death of the lion, because you know, they're just running amok and getting into trash, and really are in need of serious killing. The odds weren't anything to write home about, but there's side action on whether he calls people "city folk" for thinking this is a bad hunt. Hey, it's as good as betting on football, but this one was a gimme. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:37:23 PM EDT
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African lions are endangered. Shooting them for ANY reason is wrong, in my book, because their numbers are so low compared to what they used to be.
Shooting this lion, who went on to suffer for over 40 hours before they found him and killed him for good, for sport, and illegally, makes my blood absolutely boil. That evil heartless fucker should suffer the same fate as Cecil. What happened to Cecil is really goddamned sad. What a fucked up world we live in. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:45:25 PM EDT
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African lions are endangered. Shooting them for ANY reason is wrong, in my book, because their numbers are so low compared to what they used to be. Shooting this lion, who went on to suffer for over 40 hours before they found him and killed him for good, for sport, and illegally, makes my blood absolutely boil. That evil heartless fucker should suffer the same fate as Cecil. What happened to Cecil is really goddamned sad. What a fucked up world we live in. It is a fucked up world. Some people are claiming a stupid lion has the same rights as people. Walk out through a pride of lions and see if they let you live. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:46:30 PM EDT
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It is a fucked up world. Some people are claiming a stupid lion has the same rights as people. Walk out through a pride of lions and see if they let you live. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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African lions are endangered. Shooting them for ANY reason is wrong, in my book, because their numbers are so low compared to what they used to be. Shooting this lion, who went on to suffer for over 40 hours before they found him and killed him for good, for sport, and illegally, makes my blood absolutely boil. That evil heartless fucker should suffer the same fate as Cecil. What happened to Cecil is really goddamned sad. What a fucked up world we live in. It is a fucked up world. Some people are claiming a stupid lion has the same rights as people. Walk out through a pride of lions and see if they let you live. Killing people is good. Only killing animals is bad. Talk about screwed up thinking. Can you really call that "thinking?" 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:47:30 PM EDT
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If you ask me.....THAT is the real story. The left, literally worships nature. This dentist killed one of their gods. Scary shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't recall social media ever being this upset from any of the atrocities committed by ISIS. I'm pretty sure Jimmy Kimmel never cried on air over any either. ISIS burns 45 people alive - 17k shares, 294 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2957471/ISIS-burn-45-people-death-captured-Iraqi-town-Baghdadi-Islamists-attack-homes-security-forces-families.html ISIS beheads women for witchcraft - 5.6K shares, 296 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3144213/ISIS-executes-women-beheading-time-group-kills-two-married-couples-witchcraft-sorcery-Syria.html ISIS burns woman alive - 11k shares, 1227 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3097033/ISIS-burn-woman-alive-refusing-extreme-sex-act-reveals-official.html ISIS behead and shoot 30 Ethiopian Christians - 35k shares, 1109 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045711/Slaughter-beach-ISIS-behead-shoot-Ethiopian-Christians-sickening-new-propaganda-video.html Published 08:26 EST, 28 July 2015: Cecil the lion killed - 115k shares, 6429 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3177303/PICTURED-American-dentist-passion-hunting-killed-Cecil-Lion-bow-arrow-Zimbabwe.html If you ask me.....THAT is the real story. The left, literally worships nature. This dentist killed one of their gods. Scary shit. puny god. 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:47:59 PM EDT
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Killing people is good. Only killing animals is bad. Talk about screwed up thinking. Can you really call that "thinking?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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African lions are endangered. Shooting them for ANY reason is wrong, in my book, because their numbers are so low compared to what they used to be. Shooting this lion, who went on to suffer for over 40 hours before they found him and killed him for good, for sport, and illegally, makes my blood absolutely boil. That evil heartless fucker should suffer the same fate as Cecil. What happened to Cecil is really goddamned sad. What a fucked up world we live in. It is a fucked up world. Some people are claiming a stupid lion has the same rights as people. Walk out through a pride of lions and see if they let you live. Killing people is good. Only killing animals is bad. Talk about screwed up thinking. Can you really call that "thinking?" I don't support killing unless I get to kill a hunter. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:49:18 PM EDT
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They actually are headed down the same path as the rhino, could be gone in a hundred years or so Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We had a Facebook bet when/if beekeeper would show up to take joy in the death of the lion, because you know, they're just running amok and getting into trash, and really are in need of serious killing. The odds weren't anything to write home about, but there's side action on whether he calls people "city folk" for thinking this is a bad hunt. Hey, it's as good as betting on football, but this one was a gimme. Could be. But generally speaking, animals go extinct from lost habitat. Not hunting. (yes, I am aware of the passenger pigeon) |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:49:22 PM EDT
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I don't support killing unless I get to kill a hunter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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African lions are endangered. Shooting them for ANY reason is wrong, in my book, because their numbers are so low compared to what they used to be. Shooting this lion, who went on to suffer for over 40 hours before they found him and killed him for good, for sport, and illegally, makes my blood absolutely boil. That evil heartless fucker should suffer the same fate as Cecil. What happened to Cecil is really goddamned sad. What a fucked up world we live in. It is a fucked up world. Some people are claiming a stupid lion has the same rights as people. Walk out through a pride of lions and see if they let you live. Killing people is good. Only killing animals is bad. Talk about screwed up thinking. Can you really call that "thinking?" I don't support killing unless I get to kill a hunter. I can't say for sure, but I"m fairly certain they want someone else to kill the hunter. They abhor violence, you know. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:49:47 PM EDT
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Tragic, but WTF is it plastered on all over DRUDGE???
Is drudge now towing the lib line that animals have rights too? Priorities... 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:50:41 PM EDT
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Also, I don't like saying anything the beekeeper agrees with. Makes me feel vaguely dirty. Like I'm in a surreal pornographic dreamscape.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:52:40 PM EDT
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I know someone who hunts lion's and elephants year round month after month like a crack head. Sad part is he does that with his congregation's money (which he calls his own)
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:54:01 PM EDT
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I know someone who hunts lion's and elephants year round month after month like a crack head. Sad part is he does that with his congregation's money (which he calls his own) Stop giving him money. Problem solved. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:55:40 PM EDT
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Joe Rogan just did a great podcast about this kind of shit a couple weeks ago. It was really good. It was more about rhinos though.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:56:09 PM EDT
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Also, I don't like saying anything the beekeeper agrees with. Makes me feel vaguely dirty. Like I'm in a surreal pornographic dreamscape. You can't be wrong all the time. Even though you seem to put forth a valiant effort. 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:58:30 PM EDT
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I know someone who hunts lion's and elephants year round month after month like a crack head. Sad part is he does that with his congregation's money (which he calls his own) Is it his salary or the church's money? What does the church board say? I don't think I've ever been to a church that didn't have some kind of elected board that handled church decisions. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 1:59:23 PM EDT
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Of course it was an American. We're the worst.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 2:00:58 PM EDT
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Of course it was an American. We're the worst. White American--the worst worst. 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 2:01:28 PM EDT
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You can't be wrong all the time. Even though you seem to put forth a valiant effort. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also, I don't like saying anything the beekeeper agrees with. Makes me feel vaguely dirty. Like I'm in a surreal pornographic dreamscape. You can't be wrong all the time. Even though you seem to put forth a valiant effort. The funny thing is, we actually agree on about 90% of any of the issues I see come up here. Strange that you don't realize that. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 2:07:26 PM EDT
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The funny thing is, we actually agree on about 90% of any of the issues I see come up here. Strange that you don't realize that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Also, I don't like saying anything the beekeeper agrees with. Makes me feel vaguely dirty. Like I'm in a surreal pornographic dreamscape. You can't be wrong all the time. Even though you seem to put forth a valiant effort. The funny thing is, we actually agree on about 90% of any of the issues I see come up here. Strange that you don't realize that. Probably--I was trying to make a funny, but the smiley apparently didn't help. Sorry! 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 2:19:51 PM EDT
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Official press release from ZCTF:
THE LION July 28, 2015 We have just discovered the identity of the killer of Cecil the lion. His details are as follows: WALTER JAMES PALMER Passport no: xxxxxxxxxxx Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxx Larding Road, Eden Prairie MN 55347 This would suggest that he is American and not Spanish as we previously stated. On or about the 6th July 2013, Walter James Palmer was taken to Hwange National Park by professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst. They went hunting at night with a spotlight and they spotted Cecil. They tied a dead animal to their vehicle to lure Cecil out of the park and they scented an area about half a kilometre from the park. Mr Palmer shot Cecil with a bow and arrow but this shot didn’t kill him. They tracked him down and found him 40 hours later when they shot him with a gun. They found that he was fitted with a GPS collar because he was being studied by the Hwange Lion Research, funded by Oxford University so they tried to destroy the collar but failed because it was found. Cecil was skinned and beheaded. We don’t know the whereabouts of the head. Walter Palmer apparently paid USD50 000 for the kill and we assume Theo Bronkhorst received this money. Cecil, who was known all over the world would have earned millions of dollars just from sightseeing. There was apparently no quota or licence for a lion to be killed in this area. The saddest part of all is that now that Cecil is dead, the next lion in the heirarchy, Jericho will most likely kill all Cecil’s cubs so that he can insert his own bloodline into the females. This is standard procedure for lions. Posted in 2015 Reports |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 3:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be. But generally speaking, animals go extinct from lost habitat. Not hunting. (yes, I am aware of the passenger pigeon) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We had a Facebook bet when/if beekeeper would show up to take joy in the death of the lion, because you know, they're just running amok and getting into trash, and really are in need of serious killing. The odds weren't anything to write home about, but there's side action on whether he calls people "city folk" for thinking this is a bad hunt. Hey, it's as good as betting on football, but this one was a gimme. Could be. But generally speaking, animals go extinct from lost habitat. Not hunting. (yes, I am aware of the passenger pigeon) They are losing habitat, but humans have greatly sped that decline along with hunting them (in most cases illegally). When you're erasing a big predator's room to thrive, and you're killing them too...well.... The only way to save them is more habitat or a much better breeding program and area guarded from poaching. Doesn't help when fucknut dentist shoots a protected one at the top of a pack, whoever fucked up...this was a shit thing to do. I know hunting in general has a net benefit to some animals in the funds it brings to protect them, but this act wasn't that kind of deal - this was just stupid and reckless and shows the danger in over-valuing a hunt....creates momentum to do it illegally or unethically. I don't cry about the death of a single animal, makes no difference to me, but there's a huge difference between hunting and hunting endangered animals for bloodlust...and my disdain for the latter is not about the value of the animal or its majesty or whatever - it's about the mindset of someone who derives pleasure from it. There are so many animals to hunt, to go out of your way to shoot a big cat on the verge of extinction is fucked up. If someone doesn't see how that's fucked up (on an emotional level), then they're fucked up. Yes, you, that is typing an angry reply to my last paragraph, you're fucked up. Deal with it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 3:35:47 PM EDT
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I have zero interest in african trophy hunting but this smells like a generic hunt that turned into a shit storm because Fluffy the Loveable Lion wandered off the game preserve and got poked Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm very pro-hunter. I dismiss a fair amount of the online outrage as simply the usual "OMFG he killed Mufasa!!!!" kneejerk reaction form the PETA brigade. Also, I take any of the news stories with a huge grain of salt because clearly a "narrative" is driving these stories. With all of that said, there are enough red flags that make me pause and question the integrity of this hunt and the hunter involved. However, even if everything negative comes out to be true, I still think the level of outrage far exceeds the actual depth of the crime. In my mind, if this guy is as bad as they make him out to be, then a hefty fine, surrender of any and all trophy items and a lifetime ban on hunting in the county in question should suffice. Maybe a little jail time. That's it. Case closed. ETA: Edited because I can't spell simple words. Agree with this. Maybe the guides set this up who knows. There was a big stink a few years ago when a huge elk wandered off of Yellowstone National Park and was killed. Despite the fact that the hunter who killed the elk had a tag, etc. The Liberals cried foul that the hunter should have know an elk this big strayed from Yellowstone and he should not have killed it. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 3:47:43 PM EDT
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Official press release from ZCTF: On or about the 6th July 2013, Walter James Palmer was taken to Hwange National Park by professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst. They went hunting at night with a spotlight and they spotted Cecil. They tied a dead animal to their vehicle to lure Cecil out of the park and they scented an area about half a kilometre from the park. Mr Palmer shot Cecil with a bow and arrow but this shot didn’t kill him. They tracked him down and found him 40 hours later when they shot him with a gun. They found that he was fitted with a GPS collar because he was being studied by the Hwange Lion Research, funded by Oxford University so they tried to destroy the collar but failed because it was found. Cecil was skinned and beheaded. We don’t know the whereabouts of the head. Walter Palmer apparently paid USD50 000 for the kill and we assume Theo Bronkhorst received this money. Cecil, who was known all over the world would have earned millions of dollars just from sightseeing. There was apparently no quota or licence for a lion to be killed in this area. It's not the "warm fuzzy" that is the issue, it's the part in red. It sounds like the dentist, and or his guides, did something shady, realized they might get caught, and tried to cover their tracts. So regardless of how you feel about hunting or killing lions, that's not the real issue of this story. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 3:49:04 PM EDT
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I don't recall social media ever being this upset from any of the atrocities committed by ISIS. I'm pretty sure Jimmy Kimmel never cried on air over any either. ISIS burns 45 people alive - 17k shares, 294 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2957471/ISIS-burn-45-people-death-captured-Iraqi-town-Baghdadi-Islamists-attack-homes-security-forces-families.html ISIS beheads women for witchcraft - 5.6K shares, 296 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3144213/ISIS-executes-women-beheading-time-group-kills-two-married-couples-witchcraft-sorcery-Syria.html ISIS burns woman alive - 11k shares, 1227 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3097033/ISIS-burn-woman-alive-refusing-extreme-sex-act-reveals-official.html ISIS behead and shoot 30 Ethiopian Christians - 35k shares, 1109 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045711/Slaughter-beach-ISIS-behead-shoot-Ethiopian-Christians-sickening-new-propaganda-video.html Published 08:26 EST, 28 July 2015: Cecil the lion killed - 115k shares, 6429 comments http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3177303/PICTURED-American-dentist-passion-hunting-killed-Cecil-Lion-bow-arrow-Zimbabwe.html I like animals. A lot. But obsessive "Animal Lovers" are whack jobs to the highest degree. That being said, a lot of this "faux" outrage is being done for a specific purpose. Like all this other everyday explosive fake outrage. There is a reason for it over the last few years. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 3:50:14 PM EDT
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It's not the "warm fuzzy" that is the issue, it's the part in red. It sounds like the dentist, and or his guides, did something shady, realized they might get caught, and tried to cover their tracts. So regardless of how you feel about hunting or killing lions, that's not the real issue of this story. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Official press release from ZCTF: On or about the 6th July 2013, Walter James Palmer was taken to Hwange National Park by professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst. They went hunting at night with a spotlight and they spotted Cecil. They tied a dead animal to their vehicle to lure Cecil out of the park and they scented an area about half a kilometre from the park. Mr Palmer shot Cecil with a bow and arrow but this shot didn’t kill him. They tracked him down and found him 40 hours later when they shot him with a gun. They found that he was fitted with a GPS collar because he was being studied by the Hwange Lion Research, funded by Oxford University so they tried to destroy the collar but failed because it was found. Cecil was skinned and beheaded. We don’t know the whereabouts of the head. Walter Palmer apparently paid USD50 000 for the kill and we assume Theo Bronkhorst received this money. Cecil, who was known all over the world would have earned millions of dollars just from sightseeing. There was apparently no quota or licence for a lion to be killed in this area. It's not the "warm fuzzy" that is the issue, it's the part in red. It sounds like the dentist, and or his guides, did something shady, realized they might get caught, and tried to cover their tracts. So regardless of how you feel about hunting or killing lions, that's not the real issue of this story. Still don't give a shit. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 3:55:11 PM EDT
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I don't support killing unless I get to kill a hunter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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African lions are endangered. Shooting them for ANY reason is wrong, in my book, because their numbers are so low compared to what they used to be. Shooting this lion, who went on to suffer for over 40 hours before they found him and killed him for good, for sport, and illegally, makes my blood absolutely boil. That evil heartless fucker should suffer the same fate as Cecil. What happened to Cecil is really goddamned sad. What a fucked up world we live in. It is a fucked up world. Some people are claiming a stupid lion has the same rights as people. Walk out through a pride of lions and see if they let you live. Killing people is good. Only killing animals is bad. Talk about screwed up thinking. Can you really call that "thinking?" I don't support killing unless I get to kill a hunter. your an ass, gun owners who don't hunt confuse me and this is a site dedicated to firearms and hobbies centered around them then the closet commies come roaring out about how hunting is wrong they can rot. and comments like the above its wrong to hunt but ok to murder hunters  go smoke another one I bet all of them fish what's the differencewhat a bluegill is cool to kill but not a lion
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:01:59 PM EDT
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Psssssst--he's not making that statement. He's mimicking the words of the typical anti-hunting idiot. He could have made it more clear, but in context it makes sense.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:02:24 PM EDT
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Exotic animal hunting thread in GD? These are the best. In. Hell go read the tale about the gator and wild hogs. 
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:05:13 PM EDT
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It's funny how everyone is all like IDGAF about this guy killing a lion.
Let's start another "found a deerstand on my land" thread and watch everyone shit bricks about how they hate poachers. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:08:56 PM EDT
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It's funny how everyone is all like IDGAF about this guy killing a lion. Let's start another "found a deerstand on my land" thread and watch everyone shit bricks about how they hate poachers. When you take away the emotion and hyperbole there is no reason to believe this lion was "poached." "Lured him outside the preserve" <-----silly nonsense "Used spotlights at night" <-------not illegal, so therefore nonsense etc. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:09:19 PM EDT
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It's funny how everyone is all like IDGAF about this guy killing a lion. Let's start another "found a deerstand on my land" thread and watch everyone shit bricks about how they hate trespassers. Fixed |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:14:10 PM EDT
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We had a Facebook bet when/if beekeeper would show up to take joy in the death of the lion, because you know, they're just running amok and getting into trash, and really are in need of serious killing. The odds weren't anything to write home about, but there's side action on whether he calls people "city folk" for thinking this is a bad hunt. Hey, it's as good as betting on football, but this one was a gimme. I like to stagger my 'in before beekeeper' posts to ever OTHER wildlife/hunting/poaching thread. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:14:52 PM EDT
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-it's a fucking lion
-murdering babies is awesome according to Demotards -poachers are assholes, I had them decimate a nice mule deer population on my land in CO -there are more important things to worry about, like hemorrhoids -any cause that liberals like to get behind, I tend to get annoyed over -I don't like to kill anything I can't eat, but I won't judge others doing so if they really want to do it--it's not my damn business -FBHO -if you really want to big game hunt it's like handling a live grenade, do so under your own peril. If this shit gets back to you, you can lose your entire career to SJWs -why the fuck do you really need to kill a lion or elephant |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:16:31 PM EDT
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When you take away the emotion and hyperbole there is no reason to believe this lion was "poached." "Lured him outside the preserve" <-----silly nonsense "Used spotlights at night" <-------not illegal, so therefore nonsense etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's funny how everyone is all like IDGAF about this guy killing a lion. Let's start another "found a deerstand on my land" thread and watch everyone shit bricks about how they hate poachers. When you take away the emotion and hyperbole there is no reason to believe this lion was "poached." "Lured him outside the preserve" <-----silly nonsense "Used spotlights at night" <-------not illegal, so therefore nonsense etc. There was apparently no quota or licence for a lion to be killed in this area. This part makes me think he was hunting illegally |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:19:31 PM EDT
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It's funny how everyone is all like IDGAF about this guy killing a lion. Let's start another "found a deerstand on my land" thread and watch everyone shit bricks about how they hate poachers. When you take away the emotion and hyperbole there is no reason to believe this lion was "poached." "Lured him outside the preserve" <-----silly nonsense "Used spotlights at night" <-------not illegal, so therefore nonsense etc. There was apparently no quota or licence for a lion to be killed in this area. This part makes me think he was hunting illegally I understand your theory, but he paid literally the going rate for a legal lion hunt. Why would he pay the going rate for an ILLEGAL lion hunt when he could pay the same exact money for a perfectly legal hunt? That alone makes me think that he THOUGHT was going on a legitimate hunt and the guides were the ones trying to pocket the money. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:26:05 PM EDT
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I don't see the point in hunting if you aren't going to eat the animal... especially a beautiful adult male lion if you can even call shooting lions 'hunting'. hope the fkr does time if in fact he poached it. and yes, I hunt elk, deer and all kinds of birds / waterfowl. Agreed. Trophy hunting is utter bullshit. That's not hunting anyway. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:27:03 PM EDT
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I understand your theory, but he paid literally the going rate for a legal lion hunt. Why would he pay the going rate for an ILLEGAL lion hunt when he could pay the same exact money for a perfectly legal hunt? That alone makes me think that he THOUGHT was going on a legitimate hunt and the guides were the ones trying to pocket the money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's funny how everyone is all like IDGAF about this guy killing a lion. Let's start another "found a deerstand on my land" thread and watch everyone shit bricks about how they hate poachers. When you take away the emotion and hyperbole there is no reason to believe this lion was "poached." "Lured him outside the preserve" <-----silly nonsense "Used spotlights at night" <-------not illegal, so therefore nonsense etc. There was apparently no quota or licence for a lion to be killed in this area. This part makes me think he was hunting illegally I understand your theory, but he paid literally the going rate for a legal lion hunt. Why would he pay the going rate for an ILLEGAL lion hunt when he could pay the same exact money for a perfectly legal hunt? That alone makes me think that he THOUGHT was going on a legitimate hunt and the guides were the ones trying to pocket the money. So the I didn't know it was illegal defense? |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:30:08 PM EDT
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When you pay for an African hunt, you do as the guides say.
And the dentist has already stated the he didn't know defense.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:34:31 PM EDT
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I understand your theory, but he paid literally the going rate for a legal lion hunt. Why would he pay the going rate for an ILLEGAL lion hunt when he could pay the same exact money for a perfectly legal hunt? That alone makes me think that he THOUGHT was going on a legitimate hunt and the guides were the ones trying to pocket the money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's funny how everyone is all like IDGAF about this guy killing a lion. Let's start another "found a deerstand on my land" thread and watch everyone shit bricks about how they hate poachers. When you take away the emotion and hyperbole there is no reason to believe this lion was "poached." "Lured him outside the preserve" <-----silly nonsense "Used spotlights at night" <-------not illegal, so therefore nonsense etc. There was apparently no quota or licence for a lion to be killed in this area. This part makes me think he was hunting illegally I understand your theory, but he paid literally the going rate for a legal lion hunt. Why would he pay the going rate for an ILLEGAL lion hunt when he could pay the same exact money for a perfectly legal hunt? That alone makes me think that he THOUGHT was going on a legitimate hunt and the guides were the ones trying to pocket the money. Looks like the Zimbabwean courts are only going after the guide (Theodro Bronkhorst) as of today for "failure to prevent an unethical hunt" over the use of baiting (which carries a 15 year maximum sentence). The other Zimbabwean involved (Honest Trymore Ndlovu) has not been charged and was released from custody (fair bet that he rolled over on Bronkhorst and exonerated Palmer). |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:34:52 PM EDT
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Of course it was an American. We're the worst. White American--the worst worst. At least they didn't part is out like Planned Parenthood did to the human fetuses it "processes" for cash. Oddly; some here crying over the death of a wild animal are the same individuals who laugh at those of us who are against parting out unborn children. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:37:47 PM EDT
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Teddy Roosevelt with lion. He must be purged from history.
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:41:40 PM EDT
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When you pay for an African hunt, you do as the guides say. And the dentist has already stated the he didn't know defense. This......Guides should be held accountable, that is THEIR job |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:42:14 PM EDT
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Teddy Roosevelt with lion. He must be purged from history. http://bradea.wikispaces.com/file/view/hunting-lion-theodore-roosevelt-1909.jpg/212408632/352x431/hunting-lion-theodore-roosevelt-1909.jpg Hunting African lions is racist |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:43:02 PM EDT
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Teddy Roosevelt with lion. He must be purged from history. http://bradea.wikispaces.com/file/view/hunting-lion-theodore-roosevelt-1909.jpg/212408632/352x431/hunting-lion-theodore-roosevelt-1909.jpg Nope. That particular beast wasn't assigned a cutesy name like Albert, or Sammy, or Sidney or. Ralph....... |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:43:19 PM EDT
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No one really knows what went on except the guides and the dentist. For all we know, the dentist was lied to and told that this was a permitted hunt. Could he have been in on the baiting? Sure. Is baiting a lion on private property even illegal? Did they bait specifically to draw this lion off the reservation, or were they simply baiting their own property where lions are known to be, and this one happened to come into the bait? Did they actually drive on the reservation and create a scent trail, or did they drag the animal around private property, with the scent wafting onto the refuge? Does Cecil normally stick to the boundaries of the refuge, or did he periodically wonder off of the reservation? If he did wonder off of the reservation, is it really illegal to kill him on private property? If I am duck hunting on private property next to a duck refuge, am I not allowed to call because I might call in a bird that had been roosted on the refuge? The point I am making is that there are a whole lot of unknowns so far in this story, and like most times, people are jumping from conclusion to conclusion.
The truth is this is mostly a bunch of holier than thous imposing their belief system on the rest of the world without any knowledge of the actual facts of the case. They would be outraged even if it turns out that nothing illegal was done because they don't agree with killing lions, and since they don't like it, no one else should do it. And lions are not endangered. They are listed as vulnerable. There is a difference. The biggest factors threatening lions are habitat destruction, prey depletion, and indiscriminate killing by farmers. Trophy hunting is way down the list in terms of threats to the lion population, and may even benefit them through creating an incentive to not kill them all off. Outlaw all trophy hunting, and I doubt it slows the decline of lions at all. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:43:32 PM EDT
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Official press release from ZCTF: THE LION July 28, 2015 We have just discovered the identity of the killer of Cecil the lion. His details are as follows: WALTER JAMES PALMER Passport no: xxxxxxxxxxx Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxx Larding Road, Eden Prairie MN 55347 This would suggest that he is American and not Spanish as we previously stated. On or about the 6th July 2013, Walter James Palmer was taken to Hwange National Park by professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst. They went hunting at night with a spotlight and they spotted Cecil. They tied a dead animal to their vehicle to lure Cecil out of the park and they scented an area about half a kilometre from the park. Mr Palmer shot Cecil with a bow and arrow but this shot didn’t kill him. They tracked him down and found him 40 hours later when they shot him with a gun. They found that he was fitted with a GPS collar because he was being studied by the Hwange Lion Research, funded by Oxford University so they tried to destroy the collar but failed because it was found. Cecil was skinned and beheaded. We don’t know the whereabouts of the head. Walter Palmer apparently paid USD50 000 for the kill and we assume Theo Bronkhorst received this money. Cecil, who was known all over the world would have earned millions of dollars just from sightseeing. There was apparently no quota or licence for a lion to be killed in this area. The saddest part of all is that now that Cecil is dead, the next lion in the heirarchy, Jericho will most likely kill all Cecil’s cubs so that he can insert his own bloodline into the females. This is standard procedure for lions. Posted in 2015 Reports I know I'll get flammed here, and I haven't kept up with the discussion, but if this guy had really been on a ton of big game hunts. . . wouldn't he have known how fucked up it is to bait a lion out of an animal sanctuary and then kill it? Sounds like this lion was a tourist attraction. I don't think the guy should do 15 years in an African prison but I think they should be able to take him for all he's worth if that's the case. I'll reserve judgement until I hear more. PETA and their kind are pretty notorious trolls so it's tough to tell the guys actual involvement in the illegal shit. Frankly had that 50,000$ gone to the local wildlife fund (as it's supposed to) the argument made is that it's sustainable and helpful for the local economy and wildlife preservation. Just my .02. I've shot my fair game of rabbits and yotes but on some level think shooting an elephant, rhino, or lion for sport is wrong |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:49:34 PM EDT
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I know I'll get flammed here, and I haven't kept up with the discussion, but if this guy had really been on a ton of big game hunts. . . wouldn't he have known how fucked up it is to bait a lion out of an animal sanctuary and then kill it? Sounds like this lion was a tourist attraction. I don't think the guy should do 15 years in an African prison but I think they should be able to take him for all he's worth if that's the case. I'll reserve judgement until I hear more. PETA and their kind are pretty notorious trolls so it's tough to tell the guys actual involvement in the illegal shit. Frankly had that 50,000$ gone to the local wildlife fund (as it's supposed to) the argument made is that it's sustainable and helpful for the local economy and wildlife preservation. Just my .02. I've shot my fair game of rabbits and yotes but on some level think shooting an elephant, rhino, or lion for sport is wrong Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Official press release from ZCTF: THE LION July 28, 2015 We have just discovered the identity of the killer of Cecil the lion. His details are as follows: WALTER JAMES PALMER Passport no: xxxxxxxxxxx Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxx Larding Road, Eden Prairie MN 55347 This would suggest that he is American and not Spanish as we previously stated. On or about the 6th July 2013, Walter James Palmer was taken to Hwange National Park by professional hunter Theo Bronkhorst. They went hunting at night with a spotlight and they spotted Cecil. They tied a dead animal to their vehicle to lure Cecil out of the park and they scented an area about half a kilometre from the park. Mr Palmer shot Cecil with a bow and arrow but this shot didn’t kill him. They tracked him down and found him 40 hours later when they shot him with a gun. They found that he was fitted with a GPS collar because he was being studied by the Hwange Lion Research, funded by Oxford University so they tried to destroy the collar but failed because it was found. Cecil was skinned and beheaded. We don’t know the whereabouts of the head. Walter Palmer apparently paid USD50 000 for the kill and we assume Theo Bronkhorst received this money. Cecil, who was known all over the world would have earned millions of dollars just from sightseeing. There was apparently no quota or licence for a lion to be killed in this area. The saddest part of all is that now that Cecil is dead, the next lion in the heirarchy, Jericho will most likely kill all Cecil’s cubs so that he can insert his own bloodline into the females. This is standard procedure for lions. Posted in 2015 Reports I know I'll get flammed here, and I haven't kept up with the discussion, but if this guy had really been on a ton of big game hunts. . . wouldn't he have known how fucked up it is to bait a lion out of an animal sanctuary and then kill it? Sounds like this lion was a tourist attraction. I don't think the guy should do 15 years in an African prison but I think they should be able to take him for all he's worth if that's the case. I'll reserve judgement until I hear more. PETA and their kind are pretty notorious trolls so it's tough to tell the guys actual involvement in the illegal shit. Frankly had that 50,000$ gone to the local wildlife fund (as it's supposed to) the argument made is that it's sustainable and helpful for the local economy and wildlife preservation. Just my .02. I've shot my fair game of rabbits and yotes but on some level think shooting an elephant, rhino, or lion for sport is wrong Most people don't know their own 1/2 acre property boundaries let alone the difference between a national park and open/farm land in the middle of a desert. Baiting is legal on most of those hunts so it would be a non issue. And again, you pay the going rate, you expect everything to be on the up and up. From there, you simply do what the guides say. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:51:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2015 4:55:21 PM EDT
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This is the only news CNN can talk about for the last couple days. I don't give a fuck about that damn lion.
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