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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:40:49 PM EDT
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Article I saw said the guide baited / lured the lion off a national park(-type area). After they wounded it, they killed it and removed the collar.
Not only is killing collared animals there a big no-no, they deliberately lured a known resident lion out of a protected area to kill it. That alone is basically doing the whole hand-in-the-face "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU, HAHA!" thing to poaching laws. They're fucked and rightfully so. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:45:04 PM EDT
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I'm partial to it flash frozen, thawed, sliced, placed on top of a ball of rice and smeared with wassabe. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reminds me of the story where the kid in San Diego took a local attraction, some "famous" octopus because he could. Legal, but a pretty shitty thing to do. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Octopus grilled over a nice wood fire is delicious. Everybody can agree on that. I'm partial to it flash frozen, thawed, sliced, placed on top of a ball of rice and smeared with wassabe. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile That's good, too. I ate a big wood-grilled octopus leg, just last night. Then a whole branzino. Greek wine; red with the octopus, and white with the fish. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:47:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. This was unsportsmanlike, but not "horrendous". On a scale of bad: I would say that the guy who mowed over the family of ducks was worse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Only on GD do you get labeled a "communist PETA fag" for thinking this kind of thing is shitty Black and white world, that's ARFcom. BTW, commie. Yeah. This was unsportsmanlike, but not "horrendous". On a scale of bad: I would say that the guy who mowed over the family of ducks was worse.  http://abcnews.go.com/US/video-captures-ducks-playing-real-life-game-frogger/story?id=32711933
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:52:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in hunting fees to support conservation and he'll be vilified by "conservationists" all over the US who have never contributed a dime. Huzzah |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:52:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Funny thing about exotic animal hunts....they actually help keep the animals alive.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Killing exotic animals for the fun of it is pretty retarded. "Oh wow look at that amazing majestic creature! I can't wait to kill it" I mean who the hell actually thinks like that? I sure wouldn't want to associate with them. I mean killing game animals for food is fine and killing pests is also fine, but something about killing rare exotic beasts sport is  Funny thing about exotic animal hunts....they actually help keep the animals alive.. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:56:21 PM EDT
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That settles it, Dentists are psychopaths worse than cops and nurses. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:58:16 PM EDT
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Wish the same type of anger I am seeing on the internet over this old man lion was also applied to the butchers at Planned Parenthood...what a fucked up world we live in... |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:58:30 PM EDT
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Disgusting.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:59:31 PM EDT
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Something died in Africa? http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ron-Swanson-Says-Dont-Even-Care.gif Though I do enjoy seeing you ladies get your panties in knots. Ayup. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:04:02 PM EDT
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In to see the Disney wackos lose their minds. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:04:49 PM EDT
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Considering he's more or less admitted to shooting the lion and blaming it on the guides, I'm going to say that the preserve didn't stage this one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/zimbabwe-hunt-spaniard-accused-of-killing-cecil-the-lion This article says it was a Spainard who shot the lion I think the Spaniard is off the hook now, they're pretty sure it was the American. Or in typical African fashion they are looking for the person with the deepest pockets. Corruption is rampant. I wouldn't be surprised if the game preserve staged the whole thing for attention and donations. Considering he's more or less admitted to shooting the lion and blaming it on the guides, I'm going to say that the preserve didn't stage this one. Did the guides set it up? Lots of possible angles to this. Relation of guides to people in the preserve? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:06:18 PM EDT
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Illegal kill. He's a poacher. Deserves whatever backlash comes his way.
Though there's some people who are trying to compare abortion this somehow, for the record that's just as immoral IMHO. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:11:55 PM EDT
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I don't see the point in hunting if you aren't going to eat the animal... population management. Meh, let him slam his car into a deer at 75mph |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:12:07 PM EDT
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Yeah, cause nothing in Africa is corrupt and the funds go exactly where they tell us they do.
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Killing exotic animals for the fun of it is pretty retarded. "Oh wow look at that amazing majestic creature! I can't wait to kill it" I mean who the hell actually thinks like that? I sure wouldn't want to associate with them. I mean killing game animals for food is fine and killing pests is also fine, but something about killing rare exotic beasts sport is Funny thing about exotic animal hunts....they actually help keep the animals alive.. Yeah, cause nothing in Africa is corrupt and the funds go exactly where they tell us they do.
Doesn't really matter where the money goes. The hunting creates value for the animal. Without hunting, many of the animals would be "worthless" to the locals and they would kill them off. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:13:45 PM EDT
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I'm a hunter but I would never kill a Lion or anything I would not eat. But I don't begrudge anyone who would kill a lion if done legally and ethically.
This feels like neither and if the hunter knew about the baiting and luring, screw him. Having said that it is easy to fall victim to a bad guide, especially when that kind of money is on the line. Kind of reminds me of that dick licker Troy gentry who shot that bear in a cage. The bear was basically tame. Screw him too I'll never listen to his crap music any longer. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:15:45 PM EDT
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The bulk of the funds went for animal reserve funding, the meat goes to starving villagers. GD falling for PETA propaganda Did you not read the part about headless skinless carcass found? What woofum describes is how legal big game hunting goes (ideally) this appears to be an illegal hunt though the hunter may not have known it. Only time will sort this out. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:22:26 PM EDT
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Did the guides set it up? Lots of possible angles to this. Relation of guides to people in the preserve? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/zimbabwe-hunt-spaniard-accused-of-killing-cecil-the-lion This article says it was a Spainard who shot the lion I think the Spaniard is off the hook now, they're pretty sure it was the American. Or in typical African fashion they are looking for the person with the deepest pockets. Corruption is rampant. I wouldn't be surprised if the game preserve staged the whole thing for attention and donations. Considering he's more or less admitted to shooting the lion and blaming it on the guides, I'm going to say that the preserve didn't stage this one. Did the guides set it up? Lots of possible angles to this. Relation of guides to people in the preserve? No, you're right. There's no way the good dentist, who is ostensibly an experienced safari hunter, thought something might be awry when he saw the guides dragging a carcass behind the vehicle to lure the lion out of the game preserve. People don't pay $55k to go on a lion hunt in Africa to come home empty handed.,
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:23:47 PM EDT
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That's horrible, I can't believe something legally unethical could happen in a place like Africa...
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:32:44 PM EDT
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That's not "hunting", and the worse PR it gets the better. If you shoot it you should have to eat it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well that is some great PR for hunters. That's not "hunting", and the worse PR it gets the better. If you shoot it you should have to eat it. LOL no. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed and thank you for posting a sane reply in this thread. Most are either "Oh my god he's a murderer!!!" or "You're a PETAbot" If this guy violated the law punish him to the fullest extent of the law. If you don't like Trophy hunting, don't do it. Whether you want to admit it or not it does contribute to the survival of some species when mananged well and done legally. For the really anti's all hunting is murder crowd, you really don't want to know about me and hunting coyotes.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree the details of this whole thing sound a bit messed up but who knows . What little I hunt and fish is for the table but 1) I have no problem with trophy hunting in general if rules and regulations are followed. 2) much of the wildlife preservation in this country is bankrolled directly through fees and taxes on sportsmen 3) Generally all preservation in Africa and a great deal of general tourism dollars are generated by foreign sportsmen Agreed and thank you for posting a sane reply in this thread. Most are either "Oh my god he's a murderer!!!" or "You're a PETAbot" If this guy violated the law punish him to the fullest extent of the law. If you don't like Trophy hunting, don't do it. Whether you want to admit it or not it does contribute to the survival of some species when mananged well and done legally. For the really anti's all hunting is murder crowd, you really don't want to know about me and hunting coyotes.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:35:15 PM EDT
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That settles it, Dentists are psychopaths worse than cops and nurses. Phew. At least still held in higher esteem than lawyers. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:42:30 PM EDT
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Wish the same type of anger I am seeing on the internet over this old man lion was also applied to the butchers at Planned Parenthood...what a fucked up world we live in... As soon as the DRN set a season and limits I'm GTG.
What round for a ghoul? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:44:39 PM EDT
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yubitsume is indicated.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:14:16 PM EDT
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Do it, just like woodchucks and tree rats. They are assholes Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I agree the details of this whole thing sound a bit messed up but who knows . What little I hunt and fish is for the table but 1) I have no problem with trophy hunting in general if rules and regulations are followed. 2) much of the wildlife preservation in this country is bankrolled directly through fees and taxes on sportsmen 3) Generally all preservation in Africa and a great deal of general tourism dollars are generated by foreign sportsmen Agreed and thank you for posting a sane reply in this thread. Most are either "Oh my god he's a murderer!!!" or "You're a PETAbot" If this guy violated the law punish him to the fullest extent of the law. If you don't like Trophy hunting, don't do it. Whether you want to admit it or not it does contribute to the survival of some species when mananged well and done legally. For the really anti's all hunting is murder crowd, you really don't want to know about me and hunting coyotes. Yes they are, wife used to go with me but one time I had a bitch and her spring litter come in on my call. Shot the mom and all her pups just sit down. When they heard the report they all turned and looked my direction and sat there as I shot each one. Wife doesn't go coyote hunting with me any more. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:17:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Article I saw said the guide baited / lured the lion off a national park(-type area). After they wounded it, they killed it and removed the collar. Not only is killing collared animals there a big no-no, they deliberately lured a known resident lion out of a protected area to kill it. That alone is basically doing the whole hand-in-the-face "I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU, HAHA!" thing to poaching laws. They're fucked and rightfully so. Agreed on all that. But you see, on ARFCOM, the rule of law is only important when it comes to illegal immigration or shop lifting. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:18:42 PM EDT
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"Not as evil as making stupid statements." I'd just like to say that your reply was filled with insight. Thank you for that. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:19:04 PM EDT
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i hope he feels manly now that he has his little dick trophy
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:21:13 PM EDT
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3177303/PICTURED-American-dentist-passion-hunting-killed-Cecil-Lion-bow-arrow-Zimbabwe.html People are really laying into this dentist. Glad he's getting shit. Would love to hear he gets to spend time in an Zimbabwean jail |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:21:51 PM EDT
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I have a pretty liberal stance on this, unfortunately. You lure a famous, old, protected animal off of its natural habitat, and kill it for a trophy. The dentist isn't the one responsible unless he was in on the plot. The cocksuckers that were in on the plot, need fucked. The story said they dragged an animal carcass behind their vehicle to lure Cecil off the preserve, I'm pretty sure this wasn't the safari guide's first rodeo. Nor was the dentist some kind of greenhorn that didn't know how hunts in Africa took place. We've been assured here that big game hunts in Africa are the most noble pursuit and conducted with the utmost of sportsmanship Not much in Africa is noble. . . . and when a Western goes to Africa specifically to spend $50,000 it probably goes double. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:23:14 PM EDT
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I'd rather spend 55k to convince Andrea Tantaros to bounce on my cock.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:24:27 PM EDT
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I'd rather spend 55k to convince Andrea Tantaros to bounce on my cock. Am I in before the guy who wants to sniff your cock afterward? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:29:01 PM EDT
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Dude....That's pretty FFFF'd up right there.... |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:30:25 PM EDT
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Sounds like the international community is going to love him tenderly.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:31:44 PM EDT
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No extradition treaty with that country...so good luck getting him back.
Also he had a PH that told him it was a legal animal. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:34:26 PM EDT
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Lion hunting is legal in Zimbabwe. They are not protected from what I have read.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:34:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes they are, wife used to go with me but one time I had a bitch and her spring litter come in on my call. Shot the mom and all her pups just sit down. When they heard the report they all turned and looked my direction and sat there as I shot each one. Wife doesn't go coyote hunting with me any more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: snip,,,,,,, ng is murder crowd, you really don't want to know about me and hunting coyotes. Yes they are, wife used to go with me but one time I had a bitch and her spring litter come in on my call. Shot the mom and all her pups just sit down. When they heard the report they all turned and looked my direction and sat there as I shot each one. Wife doesn't go coyote hunting with me any more. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:35:13 PM EDT
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Sounds like the international community is going to love him tenderly. The international community can't do shit... |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:44:26 PM EDT
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No, you're right. There's no way the good dentist, who is ostensibly an experienced safari hunter, thought something might be awry when he saw the guides dragging a carcass behind the vehicle to lure the lion out of the game preserve. People don't pay $55k to go on a lion hunt in Africa to come home empty handed., You only pay the trophy fee (55k in this case) if you take the animal. He still would have paid thousands of dollars in airfare, lounging and other stuff but not the trophy fee if he didn't take the lion. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:49:01 PM EDT
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Minnesotans are a different breed. I lived there for more than a few years, Minnesotans are the "play by the rules" people, just like in the movie Fargo. He's
going to find out, soon, that Minnesotans, probably more than anyone else, hate poachers. Hope he knows a good dentist, because when he comes back to the States, corn on the cob is out of the question. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:49:12 PM EDT
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http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/natebedair/E9A9782E-50CE-4088-8C2B-52B6A0E9A713_zpssz8vvsui.png Brilliant!! Where do you guys come up with these outstanding responses? It takes a lot to hurt my feelings bro. I really don't GAF about you or your stupid cartoons. Fact is, killing animals for fun is not ethical in my book. Especially an endangered species. That lion was a majestic beast wantonly killed by some asshole. Respect life brother. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:52:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Illegal kill. He's a poacher. Deserves whatever backlash comes his way. Though there's some people who are trying to compare abortion this somehow, for the record that's just as immoral IMHO. Depends if he knew what the guides were up to. It isn't his responsibility to manage the guides, that is the government's responsibility. Based on his previous poaching incident, he should be investigated to make sure he wasn't party to what the guides did. If it is found out he was involved or had knowledge of how the animal was procured, he should get the same punishment as the poaching guides. Incidents like this don't help the view modern society has of hunters, especially trophy hunters. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:53:46 PM EDT
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Is Cecil a common name in Zimbabwe?
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:01:30 PM EDT
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This guy has a prior history of questionable hunting practices. Ten years ago he shot a bear in Wisconsin and lied to the feds about the circumstances. He pled guilty to giving a false statement to a federal agent (I believe that is a felony). Probably explains why he hunts with a bow now.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:03:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fact is, killing animals for fun is not ethical in my book. Especially an endangered species. That lion was a majestic beast wantonly killed by some asshole. Respect life brother. What about if you kill them for other reasons, but have fun doing so? I enjoy hunting. I tend to hunt food animals and nuisance animals (mainly deer and hogs where I am at). I enjoy it. Its purely mental, but I think meat I've hunted tastes better than meat from other sources. If you're ok with the above, what about hunting for sport, but it also serves another purpose? That is what we're talking about here (not in this specific case, but sport hunting in general). Without sport hunting, many of the big game animals would be hunted to extinction because they would be in the nuisance animal category. This could be a case where the dentist followed all the proper steps with permits, but was fooled by some unethical guides. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:11:02 PM EDT
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Hopefully the dentist and guides enjoy a stay in African "pound-me-in-the-ass" prison. No sympathy at all for that guy on my part, I'd like to see his practice fall into bankruptcy and see him making his living bumming change on the side of an off ramp.
Edited to add - one of the attendings at a hospital I work at does a number of exotic game hunts in Africa each year. There is no way the dentist didn't know what's going on. It's an intensive process and you don't pair up with a guide and follow him halfway across the world on a whim. The dentist knew exactly what the fuck he was doing. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:26:40 PM EDT
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I checked out a few pictures of Cecil. The collar he wore left a pretty distinct deformation on his mane, something that should have been obvious through a scope. I suppose it's possible he didn't notice, but for $55k, I'd kind of expect him to know.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:32:57 PM EDT
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That's not "hunting", and the worse PR it gets the better. If you shoot it you should have to eat it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well that is some great PR for hunters. That's not "hunting", and the worse PR it gets the better. If you shoot it you should have to eat it. You know as well as I do that there are people that will use this to paint all hunters. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:46:22 PM EDT
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Cecil had a good life. He was a father, protector and a king.
As he aged he grew lazy, fat, and tired. Becoming a burden to his family. But Cecil needed to pass the torch to a younger Prince. A much more Verile Kitty. Cecil had lived a good life. Agenda 21  |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:53:23 PM EDT
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Wish the same type of anger I am seeing on the internet over this old man lion was also applied to the butchers at Planned Parenthood...what a fucked up world we live in... That's what I've been saying all day. I bet half of the people who are outraged over this have no problem with chopping up and sucking out a human fetus. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:58:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what I've been saying all day. I bet half of the people who are outraged over this have no problem with chopping up and sucking out a human fetus. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wish the same type of anger I am seeing on the internet over this old man lion was also applied to the butchers at Planned Parenthood...what a fucked up world we live in... That's what I've been saying all day. I bet half of the people who are outraged over this have no problem with chopping up and sucking out a human fetus. The population must be reduced down to 5 % of current world population. Its for the environment. |
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