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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:13:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The GBI is fed? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Georgia deputy Nikki Autry would be indicted on charges of making false statements No, it isn't. The Feds had to step in with their own investigation. The GBI is fed? Are you just trolling, or you do you have a learning disability? The first sentence of the article quoted in the OP says the feds are indicting her. Literally, the first sentence. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:13:17 PM EDT
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And found they did nothing wrong. Big surprise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you're saying they investigated themselves? And found they did nothing wrong. Big surprise. Well duh. What do you expect? When your supervisors are all political jockeys, you don't get very far. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:14:41 PM EDT
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Are you just trolling, or you do you have a learning disability? The first sentence of the article quoted in the OP says the feds are indicting her. Literally, the first sentence. Ahh, I saw where someone mentioned the GBI. Did the GBI look at this? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ahh, I saw where someone mentioned the GBI. Did the GBI look at this? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you just trolling, or you do you have a learning disability? The first sentence of the article quoted in the OP says the feds are indicting her. Literally, the first sentence. Ahh, I saw where someone mentioned the GBI. Did the GBI look at this? Yeah and surprisingly found nothing wrong.  |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:16:52 PM EDT
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You realize there was an investigation and they talked to the hooker. The good rev was banging a hooker with regularity and got caught. It all came out in the investigation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GBI doesn't pull punches. If they investigated it, I would like to read the report before saying they didn't do a good job. They have no issue locking up cops and have done it numerous times. It's hard to believe GBI would totally skip something as basic as speaking to the CI. Something isn't right. The part below that about the previous shooting is inaccurate. The guy was caught getting a BJ from a hooker and ran. He wasn't trying to win her to Christianity. The officer hadn't requalled with his pistol and was due for release n-service...not a huge deal like he is making it out to be. Happens all the time and people still work. There's video of the shooting in the gas station. You see a BJ going on in that video? 
You realize there was an investigation and they talked to the hooker. The good rev was banging a hooker with regularity and got caught. It all came out in the investigation. You mean the one where the hooker was threatened with going to prison unless she agreed to lie for the liars so they could lie about killing an innocent man? Liars in the service of liars, lol. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:17:42 PM EDT
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Yeah and surprisingly found nothing wrong.
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Are you just trolling, or you do you have a learning disability? The first sentence of the article quoted in the OP says the feds are indicting her. Literally, the first sentence. Ahh, I saw where someone mentioned the GBI. Did the GBI look at this? Yeah and surprisingly found nothing wrong.
That is surprising. Those guys are solid. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:21:51 PM EDT
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Georgia deputy Nikki Autry would be indicted on charges of making false statements No, it isn't. The Feds had to step in with their own investigation. The GBI is fed? It was the FBI / U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Georgia. Here is their press release: http://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/former-habersham-county-deputy-sheriff-charged-her-role-flash-bang-grenade-incident |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:23:46 PM EDT
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It was the FBI / U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Georgia. Here is there press release: http://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/former-habersham-county-deputy-sheriff-charged-her-role-flash-bang-grenade-incident Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Georgia deputy Nikki Autry would be indicted on charges of making false statements No, it isn't. The Feds had to step in with their own investigation. The GBI is fed? It was the FBI / U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Georgia. Here is there press release: http://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/former-habersham-county-deputy-sheriff-charged-her-role-flash-bang-grenade-incident Yea, I missed that.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:27:11 PM EDT
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Lazy police work. Gives everyone else a bad name. She would have had to know that once they make the arrest, they would have to prove that there were buys from there. Not if there was a plea before a trial. Overworked public defender probably never would look much into it an urge client to take a.deal. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:27:42 PM EDT
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Ahh, I saw where someone mentioned the GBI. Did the GBI look at this? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you just trolling, or you do you have a learning disability? The first sentence of the article quoted in the OP says the feds are indicting her. Literally, the first sentence. Ahh, I saw where someone mentioned the GBI. Did the GBI look at this? Yes and as always found no wrongdoing. They also looked at the pastor shooting and found no wrong doing. Sadly a news team found what the GBI and all of their resources could not find, the officer was not an officer and did not have arrest powers nor was legally carrying a gun. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:30:06 PM EDT
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Yes and as always found no wrongdoing. They also looked at the pastor shooting and found no wrong doing. Sadly a news team found what the GBI and all of their resources could not find, the officer was not an officer and did not have arrest powers nor was legally carrying a gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you just trolling, or you do you have a learning disability? The first sentence of the article quoted in the OP says the feds are indicting her. Literally, the first sentence. Ahh, I saw where someone mentioned the GBI. Did the GBI look at this? Yes and as always found no wrongdoing. They also looked at the pastor shooting and found no wrong doing. Sadly a news team found what the GBI and all of their resources could not find, the officer was not an officer and did not have arrest powers nor was legally carrying a gun. What! What the hell was he? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:37:47 PM EDT
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A citizen that had been to a portion of the police academy. Nothing more, no arrest powers and could not legally carry a gun. I guess you could call him an officer about as much as the lady that answers the phone gets a cute little pin on badge at some departments but they both had the same authority.....zero.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:37:48 PM EDT
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Prove he was getting a BJ or shut your pie hole. In fact show any evidence at all he was doing anything criminal at all or shut Your trap. The officer in question was not a legal peace officer, did not have arrest powers, and was not legally carrying a gun. As usual when there is an epic police fuckup yhey immediately shift the blame to the victim. The impersonating officer is lucky he didn't get some real leaky holes in his face and neck for his actions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GBI doesn't pull punches. If they investigated it, I would like to read the report before saying they didn't do a good job. They have no issue locking up cops and have done it numerous times. It's hard to believe GBI would totally skip something as basic as speaking to the CI. Something isn't right. The part below that about the previous shooting is inaccurate. The guy was caught getting a BJ from a hooker and ran. He wasn't trying to win her to Christianity. The officer hadn't requalled with his pistol and was due for release n-service...not a huge deal like he is making it out to be. Happens all the time and people still work. Prove he was getting a BJ or shut your pie hole. In fact show any evidence at all he was doing anything criminal at all or shut Your trap. The officer in question was not a legal peace officer, did not have arrest powers, and was not legally carrying a gun. As usual when there is an epic police fuckup yhey immediately shift the blame to the victim. The impersonating officer is lucky he didn't get some real leaky holes in his face and neck for his actions. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:43:55 PM EDT
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<a href="http://media.photobucket.com/user/george_agor/media/americanpsycho2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/george_agor/americanpsycho2.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GBI doesn't pull punches. If they investigated it, I would like to read the report before saying they didn't do a good job. They have no issue locking up cops and have done it numerous times. It's hard to believe GBI would totally skip something as basic as speaking to the CI. Something isn't right. The part below that about the previous shooting is inaccurate. The guy was caught getting a BJ from a hooker and ran. He wasn't trying to win her to Christianity. The officer hadn't requalled with his pistol and was due for release n-service...not a huge deal like he is making it out to be. Happens all the time and people still work. Prove he was getting a BJ or shut your pie hole. In fact show any evidence at all he was doing anything criminal at all or shut Your trap. The officer in question was not a legal peace officer, did not have arrest powers, and was not legally carrying a gun. As usual when there is an epic police fuckup yhey immediately shift the blame to the victim. The impersonating officer is lucky he didn't get some real leaky holes in his face and neck for his actions. <a href="http://media.photobucket.com/user/george_agor/media/americanpsycho2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/george_agor/americanpsycho2.jpg</a> Man you must have a pile of "He Mad" memes.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 2:56:40 PM EDT
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Man you must have a pile of "He Mad" memes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GBI doesn't pull punches. If they investigated it, I would like to read the report before saying they didn't do a good job. They have no issue locking up cops and have done it numerous times. It's hard to believe GBI would totally skip something as basic as speaking to the CI. Something isn't right. The part below that about the previous shooting is inaccurate. The guy was caught getting a BJ from a hooker and ran. He wasn't trying to win her to Christianity. The officer hadn't requalled with his pistol and was due for release n-service...not a huge deal like he is making it out to be. Happens all the time and people still work. Prove he was getting a BJ or shut your pie hole. In fact show any evidence at all he was doing anything criminal at all or shut Your trap. The officer in question was not a legal peace officer, did not have arrest powers, and was not legally carrying a gun. As usual when there is an epic police fuckup yhey immediately shift the blame to the victim. The impersonating officer is lucky he didn't get some real leaky holes in his face and neck for his actions. <a href="http://media.photobucket.com/user/george_agor/media/americanpsycho2.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t263/george_agor/americanpsycho2.jpg</a> Man you must have a pile of "He Mad" memes. photobucket...FTW |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:11:26 PM EDT
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Prove he was getting a BJ or shut your pie hole. In fact show any evidence at all he was doing anything criminal at all or shut Your trap. The officer in question was not a legal peace officer, did not have arrest powers, and was not legally carrying a gun. As usual when there is an epic police fuckup yhey immediately shift the blame to the victim. The impersonating officer is lucky he didn't get some real leaky holes in his face and neck for his actions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GBI doesn't pull punches. If they investigated it, I would like to read the report before saying they didn't do a good job. They have no issue locking up cops and have done it numerous times. It's hard to believe GBI would totally skip something as basic as speaking to the CI. Something isn't right. The part below that about the previous shooting is inaccurate. The guy was caught getting a BJ from a hooker and ran. He wasn't trying to win her to Christianity. The officer hadn't requalled with his pistol and was due for release n-service...not a huge deal like he is making it out to be. Happens all the time and people still work. Prove he was getting a BJ or shut your pie hole. In fact show any evidence at all he was doing anything criminal at all or shut Your trap. The officer in question was not a legal peace officer, did not have arrest powers, and was not legally carrying a gun. As usual when there is an epic police fuckup yhey immediately shift the blame to the victim. The impersonating officer is lucky he didn't get some real leaky holes in his face and neck for his actions. For some reason, I don't think we'll be hearing from FedDC anytime soon. I got tired of hearing crap like he's putting out. Heard too much of it just after the shooting. As for the GBI, I've really lost any trust that I had in them. Lately, it seems like all the are doing is being an echo for the local cops investigations. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:23:28 PM EDT
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Lazy police work. Gives everyone else a bad name. She would have had to know that once they make the arrest, they would have to prove that there were buys from there. If they didn't seize the guys life savings so he can't afford a decent attorney. If they didn't push the guy into a plea bargain. If they didn't fabricate any evidence (hey, they lied to get the warrant). If they didn't push for so much bail that he had to plea it down or rot in jail. That's a lot of 'Ifs'... |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:29:32 PM EDT
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Lazy police work. Gives everyone else a bad name. She would have had to know that once they make the arrest, they would have to prove that there were buys from there. Parallel construction like a mother fucker! Who cares if charges are plead down or dropped months later. The raid still looks good on the front page. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:30:35 PM EDT
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Snip.... For some reason, I don't think we'll be hearing from FedDC anytime soon. I got tired of hearing crap like he's putting out. Heard too much of it just after the shooting. As for the GBI, I've really lost any trust that I had in them. Lately, it seems like all the are doing is being an echo for the local cops investigations. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Snip.... For some reason, I don't think we'll be hearing from FedDC anytime soon. I got tired of hearing crap like he's putting out. Heard too much of it just after the shooting. As for the GBI, I've really lost any trust that I had in them. Lately, it seems like all the are doing is being an echo for the local cops investigations. Ayers had no drugs in his car or in his system, and there was no evidence he was using or distributing anything illegal. Still, local law enforcement officials tried to smear him. They first said he was part of their drug investigation all along, then retracted. The woman the police were following initially said in an interview that Ayers was counseling her and helping her kick her drug habit. Later, while facing criminal charges for a separate incident, she changed her story and claimed that Ayers had been paying her for sex. I guess that makes her a reliable witness? Let's play 'find the badge'...remember this guy rolled up in an Escalade after the pastor went into a convenience store and got cash....and no witnesses heard him claim to be a cop... 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:36:49 PM EDT
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Witnesses also claim he approached the car, gun out and used the muzzle of the gun to knock on the window. I would like to add if you do some quick research as to how the officer impersonator got on the task force you will have all the answers you need to his failure to be prosecuted.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:42:07 PM EDT
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Witnesses also claim he approached the car, gun out and used the muzzle of the gun to knock on the window. I would like to add if you do some quick research as to how the officer impersonator got on the task force you will have all the answers you need to his failure to be prosecuted. All police shootings need to be investigated by an independent prosecutor. agree |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:47:52 PM EDT
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I guess that makes her a reliable witness? . Let's play 'find the badge'...remember this guy rolled up in an Escalade after the pastor went into a convenience store and got cash....and no witnesses heard him claim to be a cop... https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2014/02/Undercover.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Snip.... For some reason, I don't think we'll be hearing from FedDC anytime soon. I got tired of hearing crap like he's putting out. Heard too much of it just after the shooting. As for the GBI, I've really lost any trust that I had in them. Lately, it seems like all the are doing is being an echo for the local cops investigations. Ayers had no drugs in his car or in his system, and there was no evidence he was using or distributing anything illegal. Still, local law enforcement officials tried to smear him. They first said he was part of their drug investigation all along, then retracted. The woman the police were following initially said in an interview that Ayers was counseling her and helping her kick her drug habit. Later, while facing criminal charges for a separate incident, she changed her story and claimed that Ayers had been paying her for sex. I guess that makes her a reliable witness? . Let's play 'find the badge'...remember this guy rolled up in an Escalade after the pastor went into a convenience store and got cash....and no witnesses heard him claim to be a cop... https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp-content/uploads/sites/22/2014/02/Undercover.jpg If this photo is of an actual, sworn policeman, then I would have to say that the wearing of that tee shirt, with the style of graphics upon it, is a deliberate attempt to obfuscate his identification. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:51:24 PM EDT
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That was the actual shirt worn by the shooter in the pastor case. He ran up to the guys door with his gun out dressed in that attire. Many people here would have shot him long before he got to the door, and rightfully so. So when you hear the clowns say he was running from the po-leece that was what he ran from.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 3:58:01 PM EDT
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Too bad if she gets convicted she'll get special prison treatment. IF she gets convicted, odds are better with a fed indictment but apparently cops are hella lucky when it comes to convictions. Too bad the feds didn't make a case against that Detroit fuckwad too.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:00:41 PM EDT
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If this photo is of an actual, sworn policeman, then I would have to say that the wearing of that tee shirt, with the style of graphics upon it, is a deliberate attempt to obfuscate his identification. That's the picture of the officer that shot the Pastor mentioned above...taken immediately after the shooting. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:17:04 PM EDT
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Good shoot, fucker probably wore white athletic socks too. Again, there was no direct evidence of impropriety with the hooker and the various witnesses that day didn't hear the 'cops' clearly identify themselves. Again, I ask anyone on this board to put themselves in a not so great area (white trash,) have thugish guys pointing guns out of pimped out Escalade and instantly know this was the Police raid. Look, I give LEO's the benefit of the doubt but my advice is not try to defend these shitbags. Locally, some were known looser/dirty cops; I compared them to Vic Mackey's 'Strike Team' from the Shield. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understand he also often wore a necktie with a short-sleeved shirt and no jacket. Good shoot, fucker probably wore white athletic socks too. Again, there was no direct evidence of impropriety with the hooker and the various witnesses that day didn't hear the 'cops' clearly identify themselves. Again, I ask anyone on this board to put themselves in a not so great area (white trash,) have thugish guys pointing guns out of pimped out Escalade and instantly know this was the Police raid. Look, I give LEO's the benefit of the doubt but my advice is not try to defend these shitbags. Locally, some were known looser/dirty cops; I compared them to Vic Mackey's 'Strike Team' from the Shield. Somebody better warn the Mormons to clear out 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:22:45 PM EDT
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That was the actual shirt worn by the shooter in the pastor case. He ran up to the guys door with his gun out dressed in that attire. Many people here would have shot him long before he got to the door, and rightfully so. So when you hear the clowns say he was running from the po-leece that was what he ran from. Come on man. He was wearing a badge and probably even vocalized he was the police. How much more clear can a person be? 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:33:18 PM EDT
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison.
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Posted: 7/28/2015 4:39:52 PM EDT
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:16:21 PM EDT
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Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 5:53:58 PM EDT
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So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? There wouldn't be calls to swing the pendulum back too far if the current paradigm where nobody does time for their blatantly reckless behavior was the norm. Until then let's just use it as a starting point for negotiations. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:03:05 PM EDT
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Is this the same one where they burned the shit out of the baby on a bogus warrant and then refused to pay the 6 figure medical bills that the family incurred? This is the one. I am pretty sure these are the same guys that shot the Pastor in the gas station parking lot Yes, same 'Task-Force' with Sheirff Chuckles at the helm. 
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:10:05 PM EDT
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So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? You could refuse or call in sick? |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:11:01 PM EDT
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So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? This is pretty much what every wheelman in a robbery-gone-bad says at his arraignment for Murder. If you act with others to effect a certain end, you are liable for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of the effort. This is fundamental law - the law of joint ventures, of conspiracy, and of felony murder. If it was reasonably foreseeable that a flashbang might be hurled into the house and that injuries would result if it detonated in proximity to a person, there's no particular reason not to hold everybody involved accountable for the outcome. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:13:44 PM EDT
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So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? As a general matter, I think I'd be really careful about tossing grenades, kicking doors, and pointing guns at people just because Jimmy who works down the hall says I should. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:16:38 PM EDT
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so far in this thread, we have learned FedDC believes BJs are a capitol offense....
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:18:30 PM EDT
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so far in this thread, we have learned FedDC believes BJs are a capitol offense.... He believes being anything other than a cop makes your life forfeit |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:24:11 PM EDT
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Lazy police work. Gives everyone else a bad name. She would have had to know that once they make the arrest, they would have to prove that there were buys from there. Isn't that what's going on here? Georgia deputy Nikki Autry would be indicted on charges of making false statements No, it's the feds. the state people all found no problems. Roy |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:34:25 PM EDT
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So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? Lets try another way, if a good friend calls me and says his car broke down in front of the bank and ask me to come give him a ride and I do, as I pull up in front of the bank I text him I am here, and suddenly he comes running out of the bank gun in hand with a pack on his back, and in the process he shoots a guard running out the door behind him..he jumps in the car and tells me to drive.....he is later busted, do the cops arrest and charge me as well? do I catch charges just for the eluding, or eluding and bank robbery, or for eluding, bank robbery and murder of said guard? What if in my defense I say well..but...but ..but honest I was just giving my friend a ride? but what if, said friend had jokingly(I thought) texted me earlier in the day, "I am broke, gonna have to rob a bank or something".... does that excuse away my actions? why is it the legal system has no problems charging citizens for such stuff but not cops? Personally, if you were involved in any way, shape or form, and it goes sideways for any reason due to on officers actions everyone of them should face the max charges..It is for sure one way to guarantee bad cops wouldn't stay cops for long......... |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:39:46 PM EDT
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Lets try another way, if a good friend calls me and says his car broke down in front of the bank and ask me to come give him a ride and I do, as I pull up in front of the bank I text him I am here, and suddenly he comes running out of the bank gun in hand with a pack on his back, and in the process he shoots a guard running out the door behind him..he jumps in the car and tells me to drive.... So you know he is commission of a crime and you participate? I think that's a little different from a task force officer not being aware of the circumstances of a warrant. Maybe your point flew over my simple head, though. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 6:49:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:01:01 PM EDT
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I had no clue other then a text I took to be him joking saying I am so broke I need to rob a bank..... then calling later in the day and saying hey my car broke down, need a ride, I am at the bank.... do your friends never joke with you? mine do all the time, its all part of a happy life(well except for the robbery/shooting someone part).... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:31:51 PM EDT
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Lets try another way, if a good friend calls me and says his car broke down in front of the bank and ask me to come give him a ride and I do, as I pull up in front of the bank I text him I am here, and suddenly he comes running out of the bank gun in hand with a pack on his back, and in the process he shoots a guard running out the door behind him..he jumps in the car and tells me to drive.... So you know he is commission of a crime and you participate? I think that's a little different from a task force officer not being aware of the circumstances of a warrant. Maybe your point flew over my simple head, though. I had no clue other then a text I took to be him joking saying I am so broke I need to rob a bank..... then calling later in the day and saying hey my car broke down, need a ride, I am at the bank.... do your friends never joke with you? mine do all the time, its all part of a happy life(well except for the robbery/shooting someone part).... My buddies don't joke like the above in bold. Yeah mine either, but then again thats not what this story is about, its about leo not following the Constitution, their oath, or even common sense, then once it went sideways, they tried to cover their asses...... |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:34:37 PM EDT
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Lets try another way, if a good friend calls me and says his car broke down in front of the bank and ask me to come give him a ride and I do, as I pull up in front of the bank I text him I am here, and suddenly he comes running out of the bank gun in hand with a pack on his back, and in the process he shoots a guard running out the door behind him..he jumps in the car and tells me to drive.....he is later busted, do the cops arrest and charge me as well? do I catch charges just for the eluding, or eluding and bank robbery, or for eluding, bank robbery and murder of said guard? What if in my defense I say well..but...but ..but honest I was just giving my friend a ride? but what if, said friend had jokingly(I thought) texted me earlier in the day, "I am broke, gonna have to rob a bank or something".... does that excuse away my actions? why is it the legal system has no problems charging citizens for such stuff but not cops? Personally, if you were involved in any way, shape or form, and it goes sideways for any reason due to on officers actions everyone of them should face the max charges..It is for sure one way to guarantee bad cops wouldn't stay cops for long......... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:35:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2015 7:52:56 PM EDT
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So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? Of course you should be charged. We can't know whether you were involved or the extent of your involvement simply based upon your statements. Charge everyone involved with every crime which might have been committed during the entire fiasco. The courts will sort out those who are guilty from those who are not guilty and will determine exactly which crimes those who are guilty have committed. That's the reason courts exist. |
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Posted: 7/28/2015 8:11:29 PM EDT
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So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? If you knew without a doubt you would be prosecuted wouldn't you want to know the circumstances that led to the warrant? Particularly if it was from a more questionable officer? If you knew you would be prosecuted would not more level heads be used when planning these events....you know "Hey guys lets not throw a bomb in the house, how about we knock on the door instead? Which by the way is how they eventually caught the guy they were after. It seems common sense is not involved when these things get sideways. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:27:40 AM EDT
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This is pretty much what every wheelman in a robbery-gone-bad says at his arraignment for Murder. If you act with others to effect a certain end, you are liable for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of the effort. This is fundamental law - the law of joint ventures, of conspiracy, and of felony murder. If it was reasonably foreseeable that a flashbang might be hurled into the house and that injuries would result if it detonated in proximity to a person, there's no particular reason not to hold everybody involved accountable for the outcome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? This is pretty much what every wheelman in a robbery-gone-bad says at his arraignment for Murder. If you act with others to effect a certain end, you are liable for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of the effort. This is fundamental law - the law of joint ventures, of conspiracy, and of felony murder. If it was reasonably foreseeable that a flashbang might be hurled into the house and that injuries would result if it detonated in proximity to a person, there's no particular reason not to hold everybody involved accountable for the outcome. This reply burns like a flashbang in a baby's crib. |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:28:54 AM EDT
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? You could refuse or call in sick? But how would I know that any of the things were done improperly if I wasn't part of the process/actions? |
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Posted: 7/29/2015 10:31:16 AM EDT
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This is pretty much what every wheelman in a robbery-gone-bad says at his arraignment for Murder. If you act with others to effect a certain end, you are liable for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of the effort. This is fundamental law - the law of joint ventures, of conspiracy, and of felony murder. If it was reasonably foreseeable that a flashbang might be hurled into the house and that injuries would result if it detonated in proximity to a person, there's no particular reason not to hold everybody involved accountable for the outcome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those bastards bombed a baby's crib, they should be in prison. Every leo on the scene should be charged for the reckless decisions that led to the childs burning. What they did was about the same as shooting a rifle in a crowded city street. So lets say I am on some specialized unit for a PD. I get a call saying we are to execute a search or arrest warrant on a drug house. We have a signed warrant from a judge fro man affidavit that I had nothing to do with. During the execution of the warrant another team member decides to throw a flash bang while I am on the complete opposite end of the house. You are saying that I should be charged even though I had nothing to do with the decision of or actual throwing of the flash bang? Should I be charged with some crime concerning lying on the affidavit even though I had nothing to do with it or the investigation? This is pretty much what every wheelman in a robbery-gone-bad says at his arraignment for Murder. If you act with others to effect a certain end, you are liable for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of the effort. This is fundamental law - the law of joint ventures, of conspiracy, and of felony murder. If it was reasonably foreseeable that a flashbang might be hurled into the house and that injuries would result if it detonated in proximity to a person, there's no particular reason not to hold everybody involved accountable for the outcome. Except that I didn't show up at the house to commit a crime. Are you suggesting that if a group of 4 officers are holding someone at gunpoint. 3 of the 4 shoot and it ends up being a bad shoot that the officer who didn't shoot should be charged as well? |
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