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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:00:37 AM EDT
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I have to read that in chapter 1 in every new book that comes out for the latest rhel distro. 
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I built out a DAW a few weeks ago and set it up as a dual boot with Windows. I never set up dual boots anymore, I virtualize everything but since it was a DAW I wanted the each OS to be able to touch the hardware directly. It brought back memories of 1999. Complete and total clusterfuck and sitting up all night reading forum posts of other people who couldn't get sound working either. In fairness I didn't hand pick the hardware, it was just what I had lying around. But this is the year 2015 for shits sake. Just like it was over 15 years ago, in order to actually make the fucker work and be sexy in a multimedia fashion I would have to build the box out with hardware I had researched and knew for a fact is going to work. I hardly even boot into the Linux side. All my VST's Just WorkTM perfectly fine in Windows 8 and I don't have to spend time fucking with WINE or pulling on my dick to get this or that done. I just sit down and start working. When did linux get windows VST support anyway, like 6 months ago??? lol. It's not like every vendor on the fucking planet has been delivering Win32/64/OSX VST's since forever and there has been shit available for Linux except what some douchebag wrote in his moms basement. It's not the best example, as there are plenty of applications where I would happily run Linux to get the job done. These days though other than the dual boot non working piece of shit I just built, I'm not running any linux on my home network. Unless you count the four DD-WRT devices. My NAS is BSD. Also, I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. I have to read that in chapter 1 in every new book that comes out for the latest rhel distro.
It always boggled my mind that they made an acronym based on the damn acronym. Stallman liked doing strange shit like that. Look at Copyleft. He used to want people to call it GNU/LINUX but changed that to GNU+Linux beause people were not pronouncing the Slash and just saying GNU Linux. Geniuses are wierd like that I guess. 
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:19:59 AM EDT
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I use what I think is linux quite a bit at work. To my mind, I see black boxes that use different commands and respond differently. Most of my job is show this or that, but I have to do limited shit that likes grep, tail, less, cat, ./, gtac, more, vi, sudo, pwd, ls, etc. I think its bash. I honestly have no idea wtf it is. I learn enough to do what I need to do and get the hell out.
I hear freebsd thrown around a lot. Some stations use ubuntu or gnome, they are close enough to windows to where they act more or less like a computer. I hear slackware thrown around a lot. No clue what that is. I got pretty Comfortable with busybox. juniper shit has a shell that acts like like... whatever. I don't like it when routers act like computers. Makes me all twitchy. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:23:01 AM EDT
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The biggest setback is the world still running on ms office suite. Open office is a step in the right direction, but it's not an even substitute.
Streaming media issues still require enough fucking with that your average Windows/mac user isn't going to tolerate. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:25:29 AM EDT
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The biggest setback is the world still running on ms office suite. Open office is a step in the right direction, but it's not an even substitute. Streaming media issues still require enough fucking with that your average Windows/mac user isn't going to tolerate. It is great for technical environments. For standard desk jockeys and the average home user they might not be worth messing with. If someone does not want to crack a book I do not recommend *nix, DSLR cameras , or 1911s. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:38:19 AM EDT
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I can't even remember the first Linux distribution I used. But the second one was Red Hat. Then I found FreeBSD and used it exclusively until Mac OSX came out. After that, I switched to OSX. I could still use it as a Linux/BSD operating system but I would never have to recompile my own kernel again. Or compile drivers. I do not miss editing configure files.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:43:09 AM EDT
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We have thousands of servers at work, most are Ubuntu or CentOS. We use Mac's but I can run multiple virtual instances and not have a problem. I have been in and out of Linux since 2001 or so.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:46:52 AM EDT
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Debian for a short time then back to Windows. Not so much for windows, but for Waterfox. Every other browser is an inferior piece of shit that makes surfing teh interwebz annoying.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:48:51 AM EDT
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I've used the following:
Slackware Gentoo (including fully compiled from source) Debian Ubuntu Kubuntu CentOS RedHat Plus several flavors of proprietary vendor builds. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:49:59 AM EDT
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Every day.
Linux on my laptop, linux on my media server. Ubuntu with Cinnamon desktop. Used nothing since 1997 but Red Hat/Centos/Fedora until last year when I switched to Ubuntu. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:54:51 AM EDT
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openSUSE user here. I've tried a couple distros (Ubuntu/Mint/Mepis) but I just can't get in to them.
Truth be told, I still do my gaming on Windows 7. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 2:21:18 AM EDT
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Started with Redhat back in 1998, moved on to Slackware for a few years, then Ubuntu, then Debian, and finally settled on Linux Mint.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 2:39:37 AM EDT
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We use it at work. I hate it. It's kinda like a Mac but not as polished or as useful to the average user. Lulz |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 2:40:45 AM EDT
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We use it at work. I hate it. It's kinda like a Mac but not as polished or as useful to the average user. OSX was built on Linux and *BSD Unix. 
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Posted: 7/17/2015 2:42:07 AM EDT
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I am pretty sure the darwin kernel has some stuff that was brought over from linux also. IIRC one version had some SELinux security features built in. Its mostly built off of NeXTSTEP, and NeXSTEP was developed from *BSD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We use it at work. I hate it. It's kinda like a Mac but not as polished or as useful to the average user. OSX was built on Linux and *BSD Unix. I wasn't aware of the Linux on Mac, just the Unix.i could be mistaken though, it happened once, a long time ago, in a place far, far away... I am pretty sure the darwin kernel has some stuff that was brought over from linux also. IIRC one version had some SELinux security features built in. Its mostly built off of NeXTSTEP, and NeXSTEP was developed from *BSD. No. The kernel is a BSD Kernel built on top of Mach. Nothing to do with Linux. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 2:42:44 AM EDT
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I built out a DAW a few weeks ago and set it up as a dual boot with Windows. I never set up dual boots anymore, I virtualize everything but since it was a DAW I wanted the each OS to be able to touch the hardware directly. It brought back memories of 1999. Complete and total clusterfuck and sitting up all night reading forum posts of other people who couldn't get sound working either. In fairness I didn't hand pick the hardware, it was just what I had lying around. But this is the year 2015 for shits sake. Just like it was over 15 years ago, in order to actually make the fucker work and be sexy in a multimedia fashion I would have to build the box out with hardware I had researched and knew for a fact is going to work. I hardly even boot into the Linux side. All my VST's Just WorkTM perfectly fine in Windows 8 and I don't have to spend time fucking with WINE or pulling on my dick to get this or that done. I just sit down and start working. When did linux get windows VST support anyway, like 6 months ago??? lol. It's not like every vendor on the fucking planet has been delivering Win32/64/OSX VST's since forever and there has been shit available for Linux except what some douchebag wrote in his moms basement. It's not the best example, as there are plenty of applications where I would happily run Linux to get the job done. These days though other than the dual boot non working piece of shit I just built, I'm not running any linux on my home network. Unless you count the four DD-WRT devices. My NAS is BSD. Also, I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. This. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 10:03:28 AM EDT
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I used to run Slackware many years ago. It looks like nothing has been done to it for a couple years. Hell that's what I like about it. It's built for getting things done, not for posting screenshots to /r/unixporn. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 10:29:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. RMS is that you? |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 10:34:16 AM EDT
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I'm Amphibious!
Desktop is OSX, with RDP to win servers and terminal always opened to multiple Linux servers. Daily, Centos, Ubuntu (no X) First Distro? There were no distros when I started
First Kernel? 0.97 pl4 Then downloaded SLS (soft landing system) on floppies. Then onto slackware (which was based on SLS) Then RedHat Mother's Day all the way through when they split to Fedora Dabbled with Mandrake |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 10:41:34 AM EDT
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We use it at work. I hate it. It's kinda like a Mac but not as polished or as useful to the average user. OSX was built on Linux and *BSD Unix. lol. life hint #87: don't do drugs. they are bad for you. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 10:43:04 AM EDT
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I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. this is a good summary. you left out the part where the entire Linux effort has been a gigantic waste of time and resources. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 10:51:28 AM EDT
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I run Fedora on every PC. I enjoy the distro.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 10:51:34 AM EDT
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I use primarily LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition). I love it, no issues other than certain Windoze programs running on WINE. Drivers work just fine. Plus it's FREE and Bill Gates can't look at my pron.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 10:58:01 AM EDT
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Ubuntu is the best solution I have found with regard to the widest array of hardware being picked up. When I was younger I did a lot of programming and spent a lot of time with debian & openbsd. What I don't like today is how a lot of the distros are moving toward the android app model of package management. Its easy to turn a system into a shitshow with dpkg, rpms and manually compiled programs all on the same system when it comes time for upgrades. Ubuntu is based on Debain.  You sure about that?
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Posted: 7/17/2015 11:01:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure about that?Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ubuntu is the best solution I have found with regard to the widest array of hardware being picked up. When I was younger I did a lot of programming and spent a lot of time with debian & openbsd. What I don't like today is how a lot of the distros are moving toward the android app model of package management. Its easy to turn a system into a shitshow with dpkg, rpms and manually compiled programs all on the same system when it comes time for upgrades. Ubuntu is based on Debain. You sure about that? |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 11:02:18 AM EDT
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... I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. RMS is that you? ESR is far more likely to be a member here. I'd bet a cold beer he is, too. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 11:26:10 AM EDT
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Debian, Mint, and Ubuntu Server at home, BSD and Win 7/8 at the office.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 11:30:11 AM EDT
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I've been running linux since around 2003. I had just learned HTML, wanted to learn server-side programming, and was told to start with LAMP. Started with Knoppix, ran the knoppix-hd-install script, and was hooked. I vividly remember spending entire days doing (and redoing) a stage 3 gentoo install the next year. Since then I've been through Fedora FC2-10, SUSE, Mepis (simply), the early Ubuntus, gentoo again, tried slackware at some point, ran DSL on a couple older PCs, and used RHEL, Centos and Solaris (I know, not linux) at work at one point a few years back. I settled on plain old debian for a few years, then discovered arch linux around 2012, was impressed with the simplicity of it package management system, and haven't gone back.
Now I run arch at home on a desktop, a laptop and a Raspberry Pi based media center, and at work on a desktop. I also use FreeBSD at home on our router (pfsense) and NAS (FreeNAS). My wife has a macbook with OS X, but says she wants to run Ubuntu on her next computer. I haven't run windows in many years, but wouldn't hesitate if I needed to. I've made my career on being a Linux nerd, doing everything from sysadmining to software engineering, web development to system programming. Someone mentioned ESR. I remember his writings being very influential to me back when I was getting started with linux. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 11:31:02 AM EDT
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I used to run Slackware many years ago. It looks like nothing has been done to it for a couple years. Hell that's what I like about it. It's built for getting things done, not for posting screenshots to /r/unixporn. Which is why any Linux/Unix/BSD I do is on a server, and with a shell. Gettin' shit done. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 11:32:22 AM EDT
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I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. this is a good summary. you left out the part where the entire Linux effort has been a gigantic waste of time and resources. ar-jedi I refer to it collectively as the "Linux circle-jerk." |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 11:33:30 AM EDT
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I use primarily LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition). I love it, no issues other than certain Windoze programs running on WINE. Drivers work just fine. Plus it's FREE and Bill Gates can't look at my pron. Anyone who uses the term "Windoze" is not taken seriously by me in any technical realm. You could be a goddamn wizard and I still wouldn't take you seriously. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 11:54:37 AM EDT
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Use debian or ubuntu ( same packages and package managers for both).
Debian for ARM is Raspbian if you want to try it out on a Raspberry Pi 2, it would make a good web browser/light use machine for $45. I used to be a developer/maintainer for Debian, until the number of architectures to support got beyond my budget, so I resigned and spent more time surfing this site.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:09:51 PM EDT
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Ubuntu is the best solution I have found with regard to the widest array of hardware being picked up. When I was younger I did a lot of programming and spent a lot of time with debian & openbsd. What I don't like today is how a lot of the distros are moving toward the android app model of package management. Its easy to turn a system into a shitshow with dpkg, rpms and manually compiled programs all on the same system when it comes time for upgrades. The .deb package format hasn't really changed since it's inception, which sort of revolutionized things. Other than Red hat (RPM Packages, which aren't as "polished" or capable as Debian packages), a user had to download the source code for the software they wanted, then build/compile it, then put it in the correct directories for their distribution (I'm talking to you, Slackware). Run Aptitude or other visual package manager (apt-get install aptitude). There isn't an easy way to show 1/20th of a million packages and their inter-dependencies.. apt has mostly "replaced" dpkg and dselect by being a nicer wrapper around them, essentially. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:18:03 PM EDT
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I run Xubuntu and Windows 7 at home. I have (now outdated) Backtrack 5 on a liveUSB that I haven't gotten around to changing.
I've used Debian, Ubuntu, DSL, Knoppix, OpenSUSE and a few others I've probably forgotten. I used to prefer KDE but after using XFCE for a few years I could never go back. It's not Linux, but I am a very big fan of all flavors of BSD but last time I tried it didn't play friendly with dual-booting so I don't have an install at the moment. I might go back to it soon, though. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:22:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RMS is that you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. RMS is that you? I was thinking the same thing.  |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:23:29 PM EDT
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Other than Red hat (RPM Packages, which aren't as "polished" or capable as Debian packages), a user had to download the source code for the software they wanted, then build/compile it, then put it in the correct directories for their distribution (I'm talking to you, Slackware). Slackware has package tools. I don't know how long there have been slackware packages but slackware 3.3 from 1996 has packages. That's the oldest distro I could find on their FTP site. Most tarballs of anything of decent size come with a makefile that includes an install target so even if you are downloading stuff and compiling it yourself, you rarely have move everything to bin, lib, etc by hand. In other words: 
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:29:29 PM EDT
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Arch when I'm playing around. And even there, it's in a VM (or on my Raspberry Pi). I have a CentOS server at work doing some utilitarian shit, but nothing the company really depends on.
I honestly don't use it that much anymore, personally. My kid's laptops are running Mint, because I'm too cheap to buy Windows licenses on old hardware. My NAS at home is running FreeBSD. And to be perfectly honest, I'd be just as happy if it was a Win 2012 server. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:36:11 PM EDT
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Arch XFCE - desktop
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:40:21 PM EDT
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Slackware has package tools. I don't know how long there have been slackware packages but slackware 3.3 from 1996 has packages. That's the oldest distro I could find on their FTP site. Most tarballs of anything of decent size come with a makefile that includes an install target so even if you are downloading stuff and compiling it yourself, you rarely have move everything to bin, lib, etc by hand. In other words: http://www.harrystone.net/posted/dogwtf.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Other than Red hat (RPM Packages, which aren't as "polished" or capable as Debian packages), a user had to download the source code for the software they wanted, then build/compile it, then put it in the correct directories for their distribution (I'm talking to you, Slackware). Slackware has package tools. I don't know how long there have been slackware packages but slackware 3.3 from 1996 has packages. That's the oldest distro I could find on their FTP site. Most tarballs of anything of decent size come with a makefile that includes an install target so even if you are downloading stuff and compiling it yourself, you rarely have move everything to bin, lib, etc by hand. In other words: http://www.harrystone.net/posted/dogwtf.jpg Slackware is what I ran in the early 90s, from version 1. I tried to stick with it, but the packages and dependencies were left for the user to resolve. That is the slackware I am referring to. The packages were tar.gz, but you had to look up what other packages it required to run, and sometimes those packages would cause other programs to stop running. This is what Mac People think Windows is like, and what Windows people think Linux is like. It works, yes. It's also a hacker's version to the bone. That's where the Debian package manager caught my eye and I became a developer in the mid 90's for Debian and haven't looked back. Slackware has probably by now adopted some management/dependency tools, but the concept of "apt-get install <program>", then just running "program" is nice. It's what will get more people to use Linux. People new to Linux are confused by zipped tarballs, and anything involving knowing the directory structure, they just want it to run. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:44:45 PM EDT
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I used to run Red Hat a long time ago. I have a partition already set up on my laptop that I will no longer be using. What is the go to flavor to try these days? I use Mint 17 on a small Atom system as an NAS / music server. Works good for such a purpose. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:45:09 PM EDT
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I use ubuntu, great support and knowledge base
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:55:05 PM EDT
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I built out a DAW a few weeks ago and set it up as a dual boot with Windows. I never set up dual boots anymore, I virtualize everything but since it was a DAW I wanted the each OS to be able to touch the hardware directly. It brought back memories of 1999. Complete and total clusterfuck and sitting up all night reading forum posts of other people who couldn't get sound working either. In fairness I didn't hand pick the hardware, it was just what I had lying around. But this is the year 2015 for shits sake. Just like it was over 15 years ago, in order to actually make the fucker work and be sexy in a multimedia fashion I would have to build the box out with hardware I had researched and knew for a fact is going to work. I hardly even boot into the Linux side. All my VST's Just WorkTM perfectly fine in Windows 8 and I don't have to spend time fucking with WINE or pulling on my dick to get this or that done. I just sit down and start working. When did linux get windows VST support anyway, like 6 months ago??? lol. It's not like every vendor on the fucking planet has been delivering Win32/64/OSX VST's since forever and there has been shit available for Linux except what some douchebag wrote in his moms basement. It's not the best example, as there are plenty of applications where I would happily run Linux to get the job done. These days though other than the dual boot non working piece of shit I just built, I'm not running any linux on my home network. Unless you count the four DD-WRT devices. My NAS is BSD. I feel your pain, but I think it's fair to point out that Linux just isn't geared towards workstations or desktops. It is inherently a server OS. Configured with hardware that you know will work, and set up to do server tasks, it works reasonably well. When you try to make it be a workstation it can get weird. I use a linux machine on an Intel Atom machine as a server for music, photos, and NAS. It works perfectly fine. The configuration was obviously more involved than it would've been with Windows Server, but it also didn't cost anything (the machine in question I'm using also had woefully insufficient hardware to run Windows Server). It works without complaint day in and day out. I've done the linux desktop thing and while it does have it's charms, I would never have recommended it for workstation use in any production environment, unless your production environment is writing software for linux. I used WineX back in the day to play Windows games on it. Load time was really slow, but FPS once Homeworld 2 was up and running was higher than under Windows, go figure. There are only two cases I know of where *nix based OSes have been successfully re-purposed to something other than a server OS: 1) Apple OS X (based on BSD) and 2) Android. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:55:47 PM EDT
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I run a few Lubuntu servers on Odroids, as well as a laptop. I don't need the fancy GUIs, just something workable. I had Mint before, and it was a nice interface.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:58:47 PM EDT
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Ubuntu is pretty cool. It is but wish I knew how to disable task bar on the left side of the screen. It's called Mint. My favored distro, especially in XFCE format. XFCE doesn't have as much support, but it's lean. I use it as a server, so it doesn't need the prettied up GNOME interface or similar. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 12:59:31 PM EDT
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lol. life hint #87: don't do drugs. they are bad for you. ar-jedi Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We use it at work. I hate it. It's kinda like a Mac but not as polished or as useful to the average user. OSX was built on Linux and *BSD Unix. lol. life hint #87: don't do drugs. they are bad for you. ar-jedi I could have sworn OS X implemented parts of FLASK but now I see it was developed for the Mach kernel and the Linux Kernel. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:02:56 PM EDT
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Slackware is what I ran in the early 90s, from version 1. I tried to stick with it, but the packages and dependencies were left for the user to resolve. That is the slackware I am referring to. The packages were tar.gz, but you had to look up what other packages it required to run, and sometimes those packages would cause other programs to stop running. This is what Mac People think Windows is like, and what Windows people think Linux is like. It works, yes. It's also a hacker's version to the bone. That's where the Debian package manager caught my eye and I became a developer in the mid 90's for Debian and haven't looked back. Slackware has probably by now adopted some management/dependency tools, but the concept of "apt-get install <program>", then just running "program" is nice. It's what will get more people to use Linux. People new to Linux are confused by zipped tarballs, and anything involving knowing the directory structure, they just want it to run. There's still no dependency management. I don't see that as a bad thing myself. I assume the idea is that the admin is supposed to know how to run the system. ;) I have 9 Slackware boxes in production that the company has bet the farm on and I have to keep them running. So I'm not telling you about my vast experience of running slackware on my home mp3 server. The other day I replaced sendmail with postfix/dovecot on a couple personal systems and it's really not significantly different than apt-get. "slackpkg remove sendmail-8.14.9-x86_64-1_slack14.1" etc. Postfix and dovecot were installed with sbopkg, an interface to a repo with all kinds of third party stuff. It's a text gui and if it's just too difficult for someone then they probably shouldn't be using linux anyway: 
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:03:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone who uses the term "Windoze" is not taken seriously by me in any technical realm. You could be a goddamn wizard and I still wouldn't take you seriously. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I use primarily LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition). I love it, no issues other than certain Windoze programs running on WINE. Drivers work just fine. Plus it's FREE and Bill Gates can't look at my pron. Anyone who uses the term "Windoze" is not taken seriously by me in any technical realm. You could be a goddamn wizard and I still wouldn't take you seriously. What about, "WTF IS THIS GD THING DOING!? FU BILL GATES"? My SO sounds like a hostage negotiator when I start dicking around with MS products. "Calm down, nobody has to get hurt", she says. "Maybe you should take take a deep breath", she says. |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:04:04 PM EDT
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I use puppy linux occasionally on my laptop.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:13:42 PM EDT
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Arch when I'm playing around. And even there, it's in a VM (or on my Raspberry Pi). I have a CentOS server at work doing some utilitarian shit, but nothing the company really depends on. I honestly don't use it that much anymore, personally. My kid's laptops are running Mint, because I'm too cheap to buy Windows licenses on old hardware. My NAS at home is running FreeBSD. And to be perfectly honest, I'd be just as happy if it was a Win 2012 server. Hey Sub, I need to build a bigger NAS at home to stream music and video, store photos, file repository etc. Have you run into any issues with newer Adaptec or LSI RAID controllers and FreeBSD? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:17:57 PM EDT
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Hey Sub, I need to build a bigger NAS at home to stream music and video, store photos, file repository etc. Have you run into any issues with newer Adaptec or LSI RAID controllers and FreeBSD? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Arch when I'm playing around. And even there, it's in a VM (or on my Raspberry Pi). I have a CentOS server at work doing some utilitarian shit, but nothing the company really depends on. I honestly don't use it that much anymore, personally. My kid's laptops are running Mint, because I'm too cheap to buy Windows licenses on old hardware. My NAS at home is running FreeBSD. And to be perfectly honest, I'd be just as happy if it was a Win 2012 server. Hey Sub, I need to build a bigger NAS at home to stream music and video, store photos, file repository etc. Have you run into any issues with newer Adaptec or LSI RAID controllers and FreeBSD? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I don't have enough experience to advise you. I'm using whatever RAID controller came in the Dell Poweredge 2950 I brought home from work, after we retired it. It works fine.
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Posted: 7/17/2015 1:26:49 PM EDT
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