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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:00:18 PM EDT
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Should i add that i'm watching mad max 2 right now?
Also trucks are all registered as commercial vehicles in CA. So it will still be registered as a Excursion. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:00:40 PM EDT
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Your stuck with geting a regular cab long bed at 137" WB Or extended cab short bed at 141" WB The short bed will require a sliding hitch to be able to make tight turns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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just buy a SD and be done with it. I want a Short wheel base. I think it would be a cool project vehicle. Your stuck with geting a regular cab long bed at 137" WB Or extended cab short bed at 141" WB The short bed will require a sliding hitch to be able to make tight turns. what do you think your excersion will require to clear the cab? 
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:03:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:03:52 PM EDT
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just buy a SD and be done with it. I want a Short wheel base. I think it would be a cool project vehicle. Your stuck with geting a regular cab long bed at 137" WB Or extended cab short bed at 141" WB The short bed will require a sliding hitch to be able to make tight turns. what do you think your excersion will require to clear the cab? Did you not read that the rear doors will be chopped at where the glass begins? So it will like like a regular cab long bed but with half doors. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:06:19 PM EDT
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So you live in Bakersfield, KY
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:07:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat is why you need a sliding hitch with a short bed. Manual ones are a pain. Auto ones take a lot of bed room and weigh a ton and are pricey. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:07:34 PM EDT
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So you live in Bakersfield, KY ?? CA |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:07:49 PM EDT
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Do you actually have any experience doing this? Or with the finishing work you'll have to do to keep it from being a rusty piece of shit?
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:09:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 40 foot 5th wheel toyhauler Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: what kind of trailer are you towing anyways? 40 foot 5th wheel toyhauler Same year F-350 can haul 13K, and has a MUCH higher gross vehicle rating which means that whatever you pack in the the vehicle and tongue weight can be higher. The Excursion has Gross weight allowing basically 1670 lbs of people, cargo, and the weight of the trailer over it's base weight. Just looking up tongue weights of some 40' toy haulers, you could very well BLOW past that not even trying with the trailer alone. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:09:52 PM EDT
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That is why you need a sliding hitch with a short bed. Manual ones are a pain. Auto ones take a lot of bed room and weigh a ton and are pricey. Quote HistoryQuoted:
That is why you need a sliding hitch with a short bed. Manual ones are a pain. Auto ones take a lot of bed room and weigh a ton and are pricey. So you understand where the 5th wheel needs to sit? Over the axle? Alright. You sold me. Redneck on! 
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:10:55 PM EDT
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Do you actually have any experience doing this? Or with the finishing work you'll have to do to keep it from being a rusty piece of shit? I will probably do the rough cutting with a sawzall and have a body shop finish it. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:14:51 PM EDT
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How much does it weigh? The Excursion apparently caps around 11k lbs (2005) for a V-10. So the dry weight alone of most of the nicer toy haulers could exceed the towing capacity of an Excursion. Same year F-350 can haul 13K, and has a MUCH higher gross vehicle rating which means that whatever you pack in the the vehicle and tongue weight can be higher. The Excursion has Gross weight allowing basically 1670 lbs of people, cargo, and the weight of the trailer over it's base weight. Just looking up tongue weights of some 40' toy haulers, you could very well BLOW past that not even trying with the trailer alone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what kind of trailer are you towing anyways? 40 foot 5th wheel toyhauler Same year F-350 can haul 13K, and has a MUCH higher gross vehicle rating which means that whatever you pack in the the vehicle and tongue weight can be higher. The Excursion has Gross weight allowing basically 1670 lbs of people, cargo, and the weight of the trailer over it's base weight. Just looking up tongue weights of some 40' toy haulers, you could very well BLOW past that not even trying with the trailer alone. 4.30 or lower gears will go in plus F350 front and rear springs and airbags. Did you not read it's the same frame and rear axle as a F250 /350? Front axle is a dana 50 with is the same as the front of a 250 until about 2004 or 2005 when the 250 got the same dana 60 as a 350 |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:16:04 PM EDT
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That is why you need a sliding hitch with a short bed. Manual ones are a pain. Auto ones take a lot of bed room and weigh a ton and are pricey. So you understand where the 5th wheel needs to sit? Over the axle? Alright. You sold me. Redneck on! Yes i put mine in my 350 it sits almost exactly 2" in front of the rear axle. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:16:44 PM EDT
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what kind of trailer are you towing anyways? 40 foot 5th wheel toyhauler 
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:17:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4.30 or lower gears will go in plus F350 front and rear springs and airbags. Did you not read it's the same frame and rear axle as a F250 /350? Front axle is a dana 50 with is the same as the front of a 250 until about 2004 or 2005 when the 250 got the same dana 60 as a 350 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: what kind of trailer are you towing anyways? 40 foot 5th wheel toyhauler Same year F-350 can haul 13K, and has a MUCH higher gross vehicle rating which means that whatever you pack in the the vehicle and tongue weight can be higher. The Excursion has Gross weight allowing basically 1670 lbs of people, cargo, and the weight of the trailer over it's base weight. Just looking up tongue weights of some 40' toy haulers, you could very well BLOW past that not even trying with the trailer alone. 4.30 or lower gears will go in plus F350 front and rear springs and airbags. Did you not read it's the same frame and rear axle as a F250 /350? Front axle is a dana 50 with is the same as the front of a 250 until about 2004 or 2005 when the 250 got the same dana 60 as a 350  you've got to be fucking kidding me. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:18:15 PM EDT
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4.30 or lower gears will go in plus F350 front and rear springs and airbags. Did you not read it's the same frame and rear axle as a F250 /350? Front axle is a dana 50 with is the same as the front of a 250 until about 2004 or 2005 when the 250 got the same dana 60 as a 350 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what kind of trailer are you towing anyways? 40 foot 5th wheel toyhauler Same year F-350 can haul 13K, and has a MUCH higher gross vehicle rating which means that whatever you pack in the the vehicle and tongue weight can be higher. The Excursion has Gross weight allowing basically 1670 lbs of people, cargo, and the weight of the trailer over it's base weight. Just looking up tongue weights of some 40' toy haulers, you could very well BLOW past that not even trying with the trailer alone. 4.30 or lower gears will go in plus F350 front and rear springs and airbags. Did you not read it's the same frame and rear axle as a F250 /350? Front axle is a dana 50 with is the same as the front of a 250 until about 2004 or 2005 when the 250 got the same dana 60 as a 350 It is a DOT legal and insurance legal issue. If you get in an accident even if it isn't your fault, and you are overweight, your insurance company likely will not pay out. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:18:43 PM EDT
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I declare this thread under "Poe's law".
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:20:30 PM EDT
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what kind of trailer are you towing anyways? 40 foot 5th wheel toyhauler Same year F-350 can haul 13K, and has a MUCH higher gross vehicle rating which means that whatever you pack in the the vehicle and tongue weight can be higher. The Excursion has Gross weight allowing basically 1670 lbs of people, cargo, and the weight of the trailer over it's base weight. Just looking up tongue weights of some 40' toy haulers, you could very well BLOW past that not even trying with the trailer alone. 4.30 or lower gears will go in plus F350 front and rear springs and airbags. Did you not read it's the same frame and rear axle as a F250 /350? Front axle is a dana 50 with is the same as the front of a 250 until about 2004 or 2005 when the 250 got the same dana 60 as a 350 you've got to be fucking kidding me. I'm serious. Jeremy Clarkson inspired me. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:20:54 PM EDT
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It'll be more expensive to pay somebody to destroy the excursion and rebuild it to whatever ghetto meth head idea you have than it would be to just buy another truck. Then sell the excursion
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:21:16 PM EDT
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You will completely ruin the driveability, and stability of the vehicle. You will have leaks when it rains, the tires will wear unevenly, basically there will be so many problems you'll wind up kicking yourself for such an asinine decision. Just being real with you.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:26:19 PM EDT
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OP, Pay be 25K dollars and I'll kick the back window out of an F-350 for you, cut a hole and rig a soft top, then you'll have exactly what you want!
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:30:29 PM EDT
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You will completely ruin the driveability, and stability of the vehicle. You will have leaks when it rains, the tires will wear unevenly, basically there will be so many problems you'll wind up kicking yourself for such an asinine decision. Just being real with you. How so when i'm not changing anything related to the frame? Same frame as a regular cab long bed SuperDuty. It doesn't rain in CA. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:32:12 PM EDT
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OP, Pay be 25K dollars and I'll kick the back window out of an F-350 for you, cut a hole and rig a soft top, then you'll have exactly what you want! I think it would be harder to add a seat to a Regular cab long bed plus you wont have those cool rear half doors. Registration will still be expensive in CA. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:33:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:36:13 PM EDT
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I will say one of the coolest 5th wheel haulers I ever saw was one an old neighbor had...
It was an e350 centurion |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:36:59 PM EDT
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Minus the lift i love it. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:38:39 PM EDT
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I will say one of the coolest 5th wheel haulers I ever saw was one an old neighbor had... It was an e350 centurion Doubt it was 4wd. Speaking of hauler vans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32kK7lQZSks That guy had a dream and i bet there was a lot of haters. Seen at lake mead and Boulder City, NV a bunch of times. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:43:19 PM EDT
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You do realize that the Excursion and F250 do not share the same frame right? Not even close.
On the Excursion, everything behind the end of the front doors is substantially different than an F250. It only shares the length, but none of the crossmembers are the same, the fuel tank location is different, it has curves and dips around the axle and rear cargo area and is not nearly as stiff as the SD. You wont be able to find a drop in 5th wheel hitch for the Excursion because the frame is different + you are going to have to try to significantly reinforce it which is going to be a pain because of the differences under there. Even the rear hitches are not interchangeable between the 2. An Excursion is not just an F250 with an enclosed cargo area. The wheel bases are the same only because of assembly line convenience since the Excursion was built on the SD line 1 out of 4 weeks in a month. The rear of the Excursion was made of cheapo materials to keep the weight down. The rear barn doors and hatch are all fiberglass from the factory and the sheetmetal is paper thin back there. <----- Previous Excursion owner |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:44:05 PM EDT
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I will probably do the rough cutting with a sawzall and have a body shop finish it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you actually have any experience doing this? Or with the finishing work you'll have to do to keep it from being a rusty piece of shit? I will probably do the rough cutting with a sawzall and have a body shop finish it. I'm going to be the dissenting voice and say go for it. HOWEVER, I am going to caution against doing any of the cutting/body work yourself if you are going to have someone else finish the job. Let them have it from start to finish. Any money you will save by doing the initial destruction will be absorbed when they have to fix it. I am not implying you can't/won't do a competent job, the where, why, and how of what will be cut off should be handled by the people that actually have to provide a finished product. And, take whatever number you think is the budget, and triple it. That is the reality of restoration/modification. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:46:57 PM EDT
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op, you should consider doing the same thing but with a subaru forester. much more rewarding to pull that off and they would probably make a lifetime movie about it.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:52:25 PM EDT
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op, you should consider doing the same thing but with a subaru forester. much more rewarding to pull that off and they would probably make a lifetime movie about it. Someone did it with a VW bug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56XL0TysIn0 |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:54:30 PM EDT
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op, you should consider doing the same thing but with a subaru forester. much more rewarding to pull that off and they would probably make a lifetime movie about it. Someone did it with a VW bug. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56XL0TysIn0 Do that. TO hell with cutting stuff off. Add the hitch to the roof. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:59:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doubt it was 4wd. Speaking of hauler vans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32kK7lQZSks That guy had a dream and i bet there was a lot of haters. Seen at lake mead and Boulder City, NV a bunch of times. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I will say one of the coolest 5th wheel haulers I ever saw was one an old neighbor had... It was an e350 centurion Doubt it was 4wd. Speaking of hauler vans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32kK7lQZSks That guy had a dream and i bet there was a lot of haters. Seen at lake mead and Boulder City, NV a bunch of times. hell I bet it would be easier, and cheaper, to drop 4 wheel drive in an old centurion than it will be to chop then fix everything on an excursion... |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:12:37 PM EDT
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See if you can find a hitch buddy...I don't think the company is in business anymore...something about ripping receivers off
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:22:59 PM EDT
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How much does it weigh? The Excursion apparently caps around 11k lbs (2005) for a V-10. So the dry weight alone of most of the nicer toy haulers could exceed the towing capacity of an Excursion. Same year F-350 can haul 13K, and has a MUCH higher gross vehicle rating which means that whatever you pack in the the vehicle and tongue weight can be higher. The Excursion has Gross weight allowing basically 1670 lbs of people, cargo, and the weight of the trailer over it's base weight. Just looking up tongue weights of some 40' toy haulers, you could very well BLOW past that not even trying with the trailer alone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what kind of trailer are you towing anyways? 40 foot 5th wheel toyhauler Same year F-350 can haul 13K, and has a MUCH higher gross vehicle rating which means that whatever you pack in the the vehicle and tongue weight can be higher. The Excursion has Gross weight allowing basically 1670 lbs of people, cargo, and the weight of the trailer over it's base weight. Just looking up tongue weights of some 40' toy haulers, you could very well BLOW past that not even trying with the trailer alone. Excursions come with d50 fronts as well, they are pretty anemic when it comes to 40 trailers; OP is trolling. Prove me wrong, throw down the greenbacks and break out the sawzall.... |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:22:59 PM EDT
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See if you can find a hitch buddy...I don't think the company is in business anymore...something about ripping receivers off http://www.tiny1.net/hitchbuddy.jpg I don't think that will give you a tight turning radius. Then where do you store that POS when your not using it? |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:26:06 PM EDT
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what kind of trailer are you towing anyways? 40 foot 5th wheel toyhauler Same year F-350 can haul 13K, and has a MUCH higher gross vehicle rating which means that whatever you pack in the the vehicle and tongue weight can be higher. The Excursion has Gross weight allowing basically 1670 lbs of people, cargo, and the weight of the trailer over it's base weight. Just looking up tongue weights of some 40' toy haulers, you could very well BLOW past that not even trying with the trailer alone. Excursions come with d50 fronts as well, they are pretty anemic when it comes to 40 trailers; OP is trolling. Prove me wrong, throw down the greenbacks and break out the sawzall.... 250's also come with D50 fronts up until about 2004/2005. Plenty of people with pulling with the ford V10 and it is also in many millions of motorhomes. Going up mountains is a bit slow going. Faster then the 2 weeks or so your diesel needs new injectors of has a bad pump. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:29:33 PM EDT
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I don't think that will give you a tight turning radius. Then where do you store that POS when your not using it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:29:49 PM EDT
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See what Archtaan wrote.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:42:14 PM EDT
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So you live in Bakersfield, KY ?? CA Seems like a shitload of wasted money for something you will use to tow 1k per year. The amount of money wasted creating this thing would buy a very nice low mile ford v10 or gm 8.1 ccsb with an allison transmission, and the superglide hitch with plenty to spare. I'm partial to the 8.1/Allison combo. Neither one is going to be much fun pulling a heavy assed 40foot toy hauler up a grade or into a wind. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't own one yet. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sell the excursion, buy a gas f-350 Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Don't own one yet. Want to save some $$$? Get an econoline and build it on that. They have the same headlights, so the frames must be the same.  |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:59:59 PM EDT
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Thought you might need some inspiration
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 250's also come with D50 fronts up until about 2004/2005. Plenty of people with pulling with the ford V10 and it is also in many millions of motorhomes. Going up mountains is a bit slow going. Faster then the 2 weeks or so your diesel needs new injectors of has a bad pump. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:snip 250's also come with D50 fronts up until about 2004/2005. Plenty of people with pulling with the ford V10 and it is also in many millions of motorhomes. Going up mountains is a bit slow going. Faster then the 2 weeks or so your diesel needs new injectors of has a bad pump. Like he said, put up the final product. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:39:15 PM EDT
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That's going to look like a whores nightmare
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:48:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:53:14 PM EDT
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I don't know why GD shits all over these great ideas....
The OP needs to FO, post pics of the build and the subsequent tow..... What could possibly go wrong? |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:58:23 PM EDT
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I haven't read all three pages... so sorry if it has been said
I'm guessing you haven't pulled a fifth wheel much, you "need" the longer bed for cab clearance while making tight turns. Yes, you can do it with a short bed truck... and they even make fancy slider hitches too that give you greater turning angle. However, I've seen a lot of short bed cabs smacked in and often because the owner was being too lazy to unlock previously mentioned slider hitch. Buy the proper tool for the job |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:00:28 PM EDT
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If there is a God he has to make the OP do this.
Please. I beg you. This is the best idea I've ever heard. You're a genius. Please, please, please do this. I'm jealous I didn't think of it first. Also, we will all happily give you advice. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:06:27 PM EDT
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4.30 or lower gears will go in plus F350 front and rear springs and airbags. Did you not read it's the same frame and rear axle as a F250 /350? Front axle is a dana 50 with is the same as the front of a 250 until about 2004 or 2005 when the 250 got the same dana 60 as a 350 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:10:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just make sure you have 2.73's in the rear for good MPG and then put the 4.30 in the front for towing power only when needed! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 4.30 or lower gears will go in plus F350 front and rear springs and airbags. Did you not read it's the same frame and rear axle as a F250 /350? Front axle is a dana 50 with is the same as the front of a 250 until about 2004 or 2005 when the 250 got the same dana 60 as a 350 Just make sure you have 2.73's in the rear for good MPG and then put the 4.30 in the front for towing power only when needed! |
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