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Posted: 7/5/2015 4:45:19 PM EDT
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And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 5:12:30 PM EDT
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They probably stole it already. 
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Hillary will sell it to the Chinese for campaign contributions. They probably stole it already.
They never develop anything only steal technology They probably have to make it for us. Then 2nd and 3rd shift they make their copies for cheap since we paid for the tooling and set ups in 1st shift. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 5:23:00 PM EDT
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"The Illudium Pew-36 Explosive Space Modulator"!
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Posted: 7/5/2015 5:26:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 5:40:26 PM EDT
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How are they powering this thing? Precisely so!! Infinite magazine??? Baloney! |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:09:37 PM EDT
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Mr. Fusion, how else? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are they powering this thing? Mr. Fusion, how else? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Located right between Mr Coffee and Mr Radar on Spaceball 1. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:19:40 PM EDT
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I wonder what the countermeasure could be. A very shiny mirror.... 
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:20:54 PM EDT
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Neat! I'm sure they have more crazy shit we don't know about yet.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:22:06 PM EDT
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How are they powering this thing? http://aviationweek.com/technology/skunk-works-reveals-compact-fusion-reactor-details Wes |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:25:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck yeah!  A Democrat will sell it to the Chinese in 15 years. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:34:08 PM EDT
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How long until it is turned on us subjects here in America?
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:35:52 PM EDT
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Hillary will sell it to the Chinese for campaign contributions. I'd like to say this couldn't happen 
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:45:55 PM EDT
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Hillary will sell it to the Chinese for campaign contributions. That's seeming to be less of a problem, as they haven't been able to effectively build anything they've stolen. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hillary will sell it to the Chinese for campaign contributions. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:51:23 PM EDT
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you'd have to vaporize it... just melting it wouldn't be enough... and this system would only make small divot. and you'd have to do it fast. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... Okay. Who else in the world is able to even conceptually build a hypervelocity kinetic weapon? |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:52:07 PM EDT
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Neat! I'm sure they have more crazy shit we don't know about yet. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:55:29 PM EDT
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Now can we disband the air force?
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:55:44 PM EDT
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I wonder what the countermeasure could be. Mirror. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 6:59:59 PM EDT
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now if they can keep from getting hacked and letting this cat out of the bag.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:02:49 PM EDT
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Better put one on the F 35
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:03:16 PM EDT
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How are they powering this thing? It's powered by either by saying "Fuck" over and over again, or it has a scanner and drawings of dicks can be scanned in and converted to energy. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:07:46 PM EDT
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How are they powering this thing? 2 AA batteries. 
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:16:28 PM EDT
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Better put one on the F 35 You know, the two versions without a lift fan have a HUGE amount of internal room and a PTO on that insanely powerful engine. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:17:06 PM EDT
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It's powered by either by saying "Fuck" over and over again, or it has a scanner and drawings of dicks can be scanned in and converted to energy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are they powering this thing? It's powered by either by saying "Fuck" over and over again, or it has a scanner and drawings of dicks can be scanned in and converted to energy. 
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Posted: 7/5/2015 7:29:41 PM EDT
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Can it be shark mounted? Great question |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 8:59:07 PM EDT
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I wonder what the countermeasure could be. Mirrors. Metallized Smoke with carbon added, like we already use to defeat ir. Daniel |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:02:21 PM EDT
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Metallized Smoke with carbon added, like we already use to defeat ir. Daniel Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what the countermeasure could be. Mirrors. Metallized Smoke with carbon added, like we already use to defeat ir. Daniel If the beam doesn't just vaporize a path through it. So that's how IR is defeated. Interesting. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:05:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Metallized Smoke with carbon added, like we already use to defeat ir. Daniel Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what the countermeasure could be. Mirrors. Metallized Smoke with carbon added, like we already use to defeat ir. Daniel Putting a bullet through the lens. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:47:43 PM EDT
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You know, the two versions without a lift fan have a HUGE amount of internal room and a PTO on that insanely powerful engine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Better put one on the F 35 You know, the two versions without a lift fan have a HUGE amount of internal room and a PTO on that insanely powerful engine. I have been as hard on the F-35 Porky as anybody (you need that insanely powerful engine with that over wide, overweight fuselage). But, I have a slim hope that maybe the reason the USAF/USN is willing to buy a mediocre 5th gen fighter is the promise of a future game changing laser weapon. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:49:56 PM EDT
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Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. Yes, but it would have to be a big sumbich, and then on only a spinning projectile. Not sure if a non-spinning projectile could be sufficiently un-balanced or aerodynamically altered to cause it to venture far from it's ballistic path. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:54:05 PM EDT
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Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. A sufficiently powerful laser could cut a kinetic round into multiple pieces. As an example my 20 watt laser can cut through a pop can while moving at 4 inches per second. Real metal cutting lasers run with 4000 watts so that might put it in perspective. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:59:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay. Who else in the world is able to even conceptually build a hypervelocity kinetic weapon? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... Okay. Who else in the world is able to even conceptually build a hypervelocity kinetic weapon? As I said. It would be countered... just not by the dirt farmers. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 9:59:44 PM EDT
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I wonder what the countermeasure could be. Mirror. Iridium armor. Bolos FTW! All those armies breeding super GMO battle cats are gonna be fucked. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:04:46 PM EDT
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." Such a weapon, once operational, might be used to sweep a battlefield, destroying everything it contacts, making it a significant force multiplier for dismounted infantry units." Dayum. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:07:48 PM EDT
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I wonder what the countermeasure could be. White plastic armor. Whoops, that never worked, did it?
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:08:40 PM EDT
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If the beam doesn't just vaporize a path through it. So that's how IR is defeated. Interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what the countermeasure could be. Mirrors. Metallized Smoke with carbon added, like we already use to defeat ir. Daniel If the beam doesn't just vaporize a path through it. So that's how IR is defeated. Interesting. The beam is scattered into its distillate parts, it ain't burning through that smoke with man portable batteries. Daniel |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:11:02 PM EDT
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Fuck yeah! Until the new socialist majority decides to use them on YOU |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:15:00 PM EDT
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Hillary will sell it to the Chinese for campaign contributions Clinton Foundation Contributions. FIFY TC |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:15:14 PM EDT
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you'd have to vaporize it... just melting it wouldn't be enough... and this system would only make small divot. and you'd have to do it fast. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... On any kind of hypersonic projectile/vehicle, any surface damage is enough, the boundary layer instability will finish it off quick due to heating if asymmetrical aerodynamic loads don't finish it first. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:16:45 PM EDT
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They probably stole were given it already.
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Hillary will sell it to the Chinese for campaign contributions. They probably stole were given it already.
They never develop anything only steal technology FIFY TC |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:20:04 PM EDT
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Mirrored disco ball armor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what the countermeasure could be. Mirrored disco ball armor. Scott Disick's mirror car 
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:21:58 PM EDT
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On any kind of hypersonic projectile/vehicle, any surface damage is enough, the boundary layer instability will finish it off quick due to heating if asymmetrical aerodynamic loads don't finish it first. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... On any kind of hypersonic projectile/vehicle, any surface damage is enough, the boundary layer instability will finish it off quick due to heating if asymmetrical aerodynamic loads don't finish it first. 10 watts is not going to cause any surface damage to a projectile that can endure hypersonic velocities. Just sayin. 
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:23:26 PM EDT
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10 watts is not going to cause any surface damage to a projectile that can endure hypersonic velocities. Just sayin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... On any kind of hypersonic projectile/vehicle, any surface damage is enough, the boundary layer instability will finish it off quick due to heating if asymmetrical aerodynamic loads don't finish it first. 10 watts is not going to cause any surface damage to a projectile that can endure hypersonic velocities. Just sayin. It won't be ten watts. Ten thousand maybe. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:25:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On any kind of hypersonic projectile/vehicle, any surface damage is enough, the boundary layer instability will finish it off quick due to heating if asymmetrical aerodynamic loads don't finish it first. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And thus the rise of kinetic kill projectiles. The laser is great for killing things that are explosives covered by a thin metal skin... or any complex machine... A non reactive mass moving at high speed however is immune. Railgun fired projectiles for example. For every advance there is a counter advance. Such is the way of things. That isn't to say that it isn't a good development or that it won't provide an advantage. It certainly will for a time. Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... On any kind of hypersonic projectile/vehicle, any surface damage is enough, the boundary layer instability will finish it off quick due to heating if asymmetrical aerodynamic loads don't finish it first. If you have 1 second between detection and impact... Even if you could engage in that time... that time is not enough for aerodynamic forces to dissipate the energy. Unless you vaporize it. 1 second is hyperbole and used only as an example to demonstrate any projectile moving to fast for destabilization to matter. If it is moving slow enough for destabilazation to be feasible I fully expect it would be used... but since we're discussing what could defeat this system... well that would be something moving so fast that destabilization isn't feasible. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:33:56 PM EDT
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If you screw up it's aerodynamics, it's going to miss at a minimum.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:38:27 PM EDT
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I love how they mention "unlimited capacity" then admit it's battery powered. What's it good for currently? Three shots? They problem with high powered lasers is the same as it has always been, providing power to them. Mount it to a nuke sub "engine" towed around in a hummer. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:42:42 PM EDT
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It won't be ten watts. Ten thousand maybe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would a sufficiently powerful laser at least be able to destabilize a kinetic round so that it becomes ineffective. provided of course that the system could track and hit the round. so. yes there is an energy level that would be capable of it... that energy level is akin to several Nuclear power plants... Not several reactors... several plants... like say the whole Eastern sea board's worth. Momentum doesn't just disappear... It has to expend the energy into something. And with such short times to detect, track, and engage... On any kind of hypersonic projectile/vehicle, any surface damage is enough, the boundary layer instability will finish it off quick due to heating if asymmetrical aerodynamic loads don't finish it first. 10 watts is not going to cause any surface damage to a projectile that can endure hypersonic velocities. Just sayin. It won't be ten watts. Ten thousand maybe. Article in OP was about a 10 watt laser.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:47:12 PM EDT
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I can't wait until people can carve their initials into the moon with one of these.
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:48:40 PM EDT
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Article is full of "could" and "might", like other whiz-bang weapons articles that never pan out.
And unless I'm wrong, a 10kw laser isn't going to let you vaporize everything as you pan it across the landscape ... it has to dwell on something for few seconds or longer before it damages or destroys it. You could be pretty easily targeted while waiting for each target to burn. I don't know why we don't just deploy more MLRS systems - they can wipe out everything in an area the size of several football fields in one firing. |
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Posted: 7/5/2015 10:51:55 PM EDT
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For those wondering about a laser's destructive power when used in this context, let me be your info source. The US has been working to develop continuous wave megawatt class lasers for decades. The only MW laser that is currently in operation is a COIL. Google it. It's a monstrosity that eats huge amounts of chlorine gas and hydrogen peroxide so it is a pain in the ass to actually deploy. Metal vapor lasers and fiber lasers are kilowatt class and have a much smaller footprint and doesn't require the harsh chemicals used in COIL. All lasers of this sort are infrared as the atmosphere is more or less transparent in that frequency range.
Now, the power of the laser is one thing but the real awesome part of the development process was the deformable mirror. This allows a probe beam to be sent out to asses the atmospheric conditions to obtain information necessary to shape the mirror prior to firing. In a typical laser the beam is deteriorated by the atmosphere so the power diminishes over time. This deformable mirror setup makes the laser output "garbage" at the point in front of the output coupler but allows the atmosphere to piece the beam back together to achieve high power at the target. This is absofuckinlutely brilliant. Credentials : I spent several years on projects funded by the DOD to help develop some of the lasers they are interested in. I have seen them in the testing labs first hand. No pics allowed though.
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