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Link Posted: 7/4/2015 10:43:17 AM EDT
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Are you serious?

Did you miss the idiocy that SCOTUS just pulled?  Why do you think this will end any better?
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Really?I don't see this ruling standing for too long.



Are you serious?

Did you miss the idiocy that SCOTUS just pulled?  Why do you think this will end any better?




 



I expect that millions of Americans will rise up and demand justice for all in this case.
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 10:46:23 AM EDT
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But segregation, and restaurants would ban black people...




Once Freedom of Association went by the wayside, this was the only possible endgame.  You can and will be forced to do business with any of the government's pet groups, on their terms.
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 10:49:09 AM EDT
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Winter is coming. Somebody somewhere is going to have this happen to them, and they'll decide that this is their line in the sand and it's time for the ammo box approach, and then shit is really going to pop. The first time a judge or politician is killed for this sort of tyrannical behavior, full retard will shortly follow.
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Bitches in GD will cry.
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 10:49:14 AM EDT
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They're both agenda driven assholes trying to make a point, but only fucking it up for others that are part of the very group they claim to represent.
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Some of these fucking people are the LGBT equivalent of OCTC.


I'm not aware of OCTC suing companies for "emotional damages".


They're both agenda driven assholes trying to make a point, but only fucking it up for others that are part of the very group they claim to represent.


Nothing new....the SF Gay Pride, Porn shows Parades have been doing more damage to the community as a whole since the 70's.  I've found there are two types of gay folks....regular people who happen to be oriented differently...and attention whores who's entire reason for living is to demonstrate that they are gay in every aspect of their lives and interactions.
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 10:50:21 AM EDT
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Arfs rainbow gang said this wouldn't happen
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Link Posted: 7/4/2015 10:53:37 AM EDT
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Where are all the apologists that said none of this mattered?
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When the original Gay Marriage bill was proposed in NJ, it didnt have a provision giving Churches an out for not performing ceremonies for couples that fell outside their Religious Stamdards...A frind of mine who is a Civil Rights Attorney was approached by 3 different groups trying to retain him for a future Spate of suits against the Catholic, Baptist, and Evangelical Free Churches for Violation of Civil Rights for refusing to marry 3 couples that had lined up already.  He Refused..but he knew they were running down a list of Attys and would eventually find one to go for it...Luckily someone in Trenton got a clue and added the exemption language before the Bill went to the Assembly and Senate for vote.....anyone who doesnt understand that this isnt just random is Naive.
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Nope.  Darren Mack already tried that.  Nothing happened.
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In one of life's most interesting ironies, the intellectual foundation of libertarianism rests on the inherent goodness of the individual.  yet libertarians are inherently disdainful of the mechanism by which the individual exercises power; namely democracy.

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In one of life's most interesting ironies, the intellectual foundation of libertarianism rests on the inherent goodness of the individual.  yet libertarians are inherently disdainful of the mechanism by which the individual exercises power; namely democracy.




I know.  Just boggles the mind.  Yet here we are.
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I know.  Just boggles the mind.  Yet here we are.
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In one of life's most interesting ironies, the intellectual foundation of libertarianism rests on the inherent goodness of the individual.  yet libertarians are inherently disdainful of the mechanism by which the individual exercises power; namely democracy.




I know.  Just boggles the mind.  Yet here we are.

Which way did the Libertarian appointed and confirmed SCOTUS Justices vote on the Obergefell v. Hodges case?
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 11:13:40 AM EDT
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/03/hate-wins-oregon-state-issues-gag-order-against-opposing-gay-marriage/



In a sign of the overt fascism and religious persecution to come in the wake of a Left emboldened by the Supreme Court’s recent gay marriage ruling, a judge in Oregon has issued a gag order denying two Christian bakery owners from speaking out against same sex marriage.



"The Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders [Aaron and Melissa Klein] to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing or displaying, or causing to be published … any communication to the effect that any of the accommodations … will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination be made against, any person on account of their sexual orientation,” [Administrative Law Judge Alan] Avakian wrote.



The gag order is meant to stop Aaron and Melissa Klein from publicly speaking out about their desire to not bake cakes for same sex weddings. The State’s order came after the Kleins were interviewed by the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins, and after the State fined the Kleins $135,000 for "emotional damages” incurred by a lesbian couple after the Kleins refused to bake their wedding cake.



That this kind of fascist oppression was always the endgame in the Left’s push for same sex marriage, was apparent to anyone familiar with the Left’s tactics.



The push for same sex marriage was always nothing more the Left’s sheep’s clothing in a crusade to destroy Christians and the Christian Church.



By adhering to the word of God, the Left will label Christians bigots and haters, and use the power of boycotts and the State to punish and silence us.



Now that gay marriage is the law of the land, the gay-pride flag will become the fascist banner under which any Church that doesn’t perform same sex marriages will be dismantled piece-by-piece. The tools used by the Gaystapo will include coordinated hate campaigns in the media, as well as political campaigns aimed at removing the Church’s tax exempt status.



Christians and conservatives who never believed this could happen are part of the problem.



1995: We don’t want marriage, just civil unions.



2005: Our marriage won’t affect your rights.



2014: Bake me a cake, or else.



2015: Your opinion against same sex marriage is illegal.



Moreover, it is not discrimination to not want to be forced by the State to participate in and profit from what Christians correctly see as the sacramentalization of sin, which is what a same sex marriage ceremony is. Christians believe our very soul is at stake.



Besides the State, the true bigoted oppressor here is the fascist lesbian couple demanding Christians be silenced by the State, but only after demanding the State force a small business owner into celebrating their marriage.



Oh, and happy Independence Day.





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Holy fucking shit my brain hurts

 
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 11:15:19 AM EDT
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Actually it sounds like the court says the business can't advertise that it engages in illegal business practices.



Which, really, is doing it a favor when they are inevitably sued.
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 11:15:28 AM EDT
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Kinda a low hill to die on if you ask me.
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 11:17:12 AM EDT
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In one of life's most interesting ironies, the intellectual foundation of libertarianism rests on the inherent goodness of the individual.  yet libertarians are inherently disdainful of the mechanism by which the individual exercises power; namely democracy.




I know.  Just boggles the mind.  Yet here we are.

Which way did the Libertarian appointed and confirmed SCOTUS Justices vote on the Obergefell v. Hodges case?


kennedy, by far the most libertarian justice, voted in favor, of course.  along with those other rational atheists on the court

and the libertarians on the board rejoiced.



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In a sign of the overt fascism and religious persecution to come in the wake of a Left emboldened by the Supreme Court’s recent gay marriage ruling, a judge in Oregon has issued a gag order denying two Christian bakery owners from speaking out against same sex marriage.

“The Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries hereby orders [Aaron and Melissa Klein] to cease and desist from publishing, circulating, issuing or displaying, or causing to be published … any communication to the effect that any of the accommodations … will be refused, withheld from or denied to, or that any discrimination be made against, any person on account of their sexual orientation,” [Administrative Law Judge Alan] Avakian wrote.

The gag order is meant to stop Aaron and Melissa Klein from publicly speaking out about their desire to not bake cakes for same sex weddings. The State’s order came after the Kleins were interviewed by the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins, and after the State fined the Kleins $135,000 for “emotional damages” incurred by a lesbian couple after the Kleins refused to bake their wedding cake.

That this kind of fascist oppression was always the endgame in the Left’s push for same sex marriage, was apparent to anyone familiar with the Left’s tactics.

The push for same sex marriage was always nothing more the Left’s sheep’s clothing in a crusade to destroy Christians and the Christian Church.

By adhering to the word of God, the Left will label Christians bigots and haters, and use the power of boycotts and the State to punish and silence us.

Now that gay marriage is the law of the land, the gay-pride flag will become the fascist banner under which any Church that doesn’t perform same sex marriages will be dismantled piece-by-piece. The tools used by the Gaystapo will include coordinated hate campaigns in the media, as well as political campaigns aimed at removing the Church’s tax exempt status.

Christians and conservatives who never believed this could happen are part of the problem.

1995: We don’t want marriage, just civil unions.

2005: Our marriage won’t affect your rights.

2014: Bake me a cake, or else.

2015: Your opinion against same sex marriage is illegal.

Moreover, it is not discrimination to not want to be forced by the State to participate in and profit from what Christians correctly see as the sacramentalization of sin, which is what a same sex marriage ceremony is. Christians believe our very soul is at stake.

Besides the State, the true bigoted oppressor here is the fascist lesbian couple demanding Christians be silenced by the State, but only after demanding the State force a small business owner into celebrating their marriage.

Oh, and happy Independence Day.


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The point now isn't about free speech or freedom of religion.  People live in a stupid world like a movie, where there are good guys vs bad guys

If your a good guy, of course you have freedom of speech
But if you are a bad guy like a racist, we need the heros (govt) to do stuff to you because your bad! Bad guys dont have freedom of speech!

They could probably have burnings at the stake and the common people would show up and have the same brain patterns as spectators at 1400s heretic burnings
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 11:21:54 AM EDT
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I would have made the fags a cake, but not a good one.
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kennedy

blame Reagan then
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 11:23:49 AM EDT
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Honestly, they need to violate the gag order, and find a few good members of local law enforcement to tell the judges to fuck right off when they try to enforce it.
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 11:25:31 AM EDT
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How about Reason Magazine?
http://reason.com/archives/2015/07/02/scalias-anti-enlightenment-anti-individu

If the choice is between Scalia and Kagan, I choose Scalia.
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Word salad, but worth noting that this country is not set up as a democracy anyway.




I "self-identify" as a libertarian and I challenge you to find one instance of me supporting coercion of a private enterprise into accepting business from parties they don't wish to deal with.
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Word salad, but worth noting that this country is not set up as a democracy anyway.




I "self-identify" as a libertarian and I challenge you to find one instance of me supporting coercion of a private enterprise into accepting business from parties they don't wish to deal with.
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In one of life's most interesting ironies, the intellectual foundation of libertarianism rests on the inherent goodness of the individual.  yet libertarians are inherently disdainful of the mechanism by which the individual exercises power; namely democracy.




Word salad, but worth noting that this country is not set up as a democracy anyway.




I "self-identify" as a libertarian and I challenge you to find one instance of me supporting coercion of a private enterprise into accepting business from parties they don't wish to deal with.


thats one of the challenges to anyone who chooses to self-describe as a libertarian.  it is literally whatever you want it to be.  
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kennedy, by far the most libertarian justice, voted in favor, of course.  along with those other rational atheists on the court

and the libertarians on the board rejoiced.
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In one of life's most interesting ironies, the intellectual foundation of libertarianism rests on the inherent goodness of the individual.  yet libertarians are inherently disdainful of the mechanism by which the individual exercises power; namely democracy.




I know.  Just boggles the mind.  Yet here we are.

Which way did the Libertarian appointed and confirmed SCOTUS Justices vote on the Obergefell v. Hodges case?


kennedy, by far the most libertarian justice, voted in favor, of course.  along with those other rational atheists on the court

and the libertarians on the board rejoiced.

Not all of them, I did not.

It's none of the Fed's business, but as was already stated, once we let them get their foot in the door on matters of free association, we lost.

Businesses ought to be able to discriminate in any way they choose. Whether that be race, orientation, religion or anything else, let the market punish them.
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easy

dont want to bake the rainbow people cakes?

rainbow person "that cake, how much?"    

bakery owner  " any one you want - $36,000"
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They're both agenda driven assholes trying to make a point, but only fucking it up for others that are part of the very group they claim to represent.
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Some of these fucking people are the LGBT equivalent of OCTC.


I'm not aware of OCTC suing companies for "emotional damages".


They're both agenda driven assholes trying to make a point, but only fucking it up for others that are part of the very group they claim to represent.



Except, the leftist media is championing this so they will bend it to seem good to the masses.
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"The Commissioner of the Bureau of Labor and Industries"

Who the fuck is that?
Link Posted: 7/4/2015 12:18:31 PM EDT
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Judge imposing a gag order on individual freedom of speech of a controversial political and religious nature.

If you don't think there is a war coming, you aren't paying attention.

It is just a matter of time.

God help us.
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If your higher judges do not judge righteous judgments, ye shall cause that a small number of your lower judges should be gathered together, and they shall judge your higher judges, according to the voice of the people."
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The problem is, I read that ruling the other day, and it seems like the law actually supports the ruling. It's the law that needs to change; this is just the first time that I am aware of it's been wielded in such a way. And BOLI? I think that is one of the issues here, we have so many laws and whatnot with enforcement spread across so many agencies, is anyone really keeping track? To me, this case is a good example of that.


Disclaimer: views expressed are my opinion only, and not those of a "Place of public accommodation" as described in ORS 659A.400
Full disclosure: I live in Oregon, like cakes, hetero Christian male.
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Judge imposing a gag order on individual freedom of speech of a controversial political and religious nature.



If you don't think there is a war coming, you aren't paying attention.



It is just a matter of time.



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A agree 100%!!!  Only the Lord can help us!!!!



 
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In the future, polygamy will be legal.



The problem will occur, when those who are married will be forced to accept unsolicited marriage joiners because if you deny them you will be racist or hurting the feelings of LGBT who want to join.




Link Posted: 7/4/2015 2:38:19 PM EDT
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Pretty sure this would qualify as Fo time in North Dakota. Unbelievable!
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In EVERY instance that I have heard of, the First Amendment (and for that matter, the entire Constitution) has been interpreted to be binding on every man and woman in the United States.

Looks like "religion" no longer has anything to do with "conscience." You must believe what the State tells you to believe, thereby setting the stage for a State Religion.

Those bakers are not preventing that gay couple from getting a cake for themselves, they are simply refusing -- ON MORAL GROUNDS -- to provide a service which they find reprehensible. The State no longer allows freedom of conscience.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


In EVERY instance that I have heard of, the First Amendment (and for that matter, the entire Constitution) has been interpreted to be binding on every man and woman in the United States.

Looks like "religion" no longer has anything to do with "conscience." You must believe what the State tells you to believe, thereby setting the stage for a State Religion.

Those bakers are not preventing that gay couple from getting a cake for themselves, they are simply refusing -- ON MORAL GROUNDS -- to provide a service which they find reprehensible. The State no longer allows freedom of conscience.


That.

The left's goal is to cost Christian business owners their livelihood.  Sickening, and a preview of the coming atheist marxist attractions.
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I expect that millions of Americans will rise up and demand justice for all in this case.
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Really?I don't see this ruling standing for too long.

Are you serious?
Did you miss the idiocy that SCOTUS just pulled?  Why do you think this will end any better?

 

I expect that millions of Americans will rise up and demand justice for all in this case.



Sure they will.
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Exactly.

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The Owensboro Community and Technical College?

 
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The Owensboro Community and Technical College?  

Those bastards!
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No surprise that tyranny gets turbo charged when progressives team with pseudo libertarians
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Edited...VA-gunnut  
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I lost.

Find a libertarian,  meet a statist.
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see, I told you freedom is scary.


I lost.

Find a libertarian,  meet a statist.


Dafuq?

Some of use are anarchists, thank you very much.
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Dafuq?

Some of use are anarchists, thank you very much.
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I lost.

Find a libertarian,  meet a statist.


Dafuq?

Some of use are anarchists, thank you very much.


at last, an honest libertarian.
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we need federal judges involved in EVERYTHING.  Its the only path to freedom, you see.  Only judges are qualified to bring freedom to the free.  how free are you, really, if you have to go and vote to determine your future?  much better someone frees you up from that responsibility in the name of freedom.

see, your neighbor, he is a bible thumping statist who wants to put you in the chains of moral hypocrisy.  but that federal judge who went to harvard and spent their entire life in expensive private schools, he is your friend. you trust your friends, right?
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Sounds like time for them to get out of the wedding cake business all together.  

Just need to post a sign in their foyer "we do not make wedding cakes for anyone."

Now they don't have to bake any wedding cakes for people they don't want to bake them for, and they can't be sued for discrimination.  They don't make wedding cakes at all, for anyone.

That's probably what I'd do.  Because if I held those convictions and got slapped by the court......I'd make damn sure I found a way to not make those cakes and not get into further legal trouble.

Don't need to say why, but if you equally serve (or not serve) everyone, the special interests can't say shit.



The whole cake thing played out again recently and I learned Walmart can refuse to bake a Confederate cake, but will make you an ISIS one.  It's all absurd, but not something the government needs to be involved in......especially selectively as they are.


no.

we need federal judges involved in EVERYTHING.  Its the only path to freedom, you see.  Only judges are qualified to bring freedom to the free.  how free are you, really, if you have to go and vote to determine your future?  much better someone frees you up from that responsibility in the name of freedom.

see, your neighbor, he is a bible thumping statist who wants to put you in the chains of moral hypocrisy.  but that federal judge who went to harvard and spent their entire life in expensive private schools, he is your friend. you trust your friends, right?


That's gonna leave a mark.

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Very timely to read on Independence Day where we are suppose to celebrate out freedom from a tyrannical king.

The three branches of government have been shitting on the Constitution and BOR for several years.
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The rainbow shirts of today are yesterday's brown shirts.
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