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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:14:19 AM EDT
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[Y]es I would vote for Bob Please, share this with your congregation. Preach to them the SoCaS is not an affront to Christianity but prerequisite for maintaining a government where logic and reason shall prevail. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:17:09 AM EDT
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Below? I took the liberty to number them. If you can take the word of an atheist, know that not only do I feel I don't get your three points, I'm not even finding them.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The three reasons that logic points to a theistic being were mentioned in the very first post of mine that you quoted Below? I took the liberty to number them. Quoted:
1) every major scientific mind until Darwin was a theist... 2) One can't hold that moral authority exists on any scale w/o a supreme being.... 3) the very concept of logic is systematic and that a multitude of brains process logically is more indicative of a logistical programmer rather that a series of ransom events....without cause If you can take the word of an atheist, know that not only do I feel I don't get your three points, I'm not even finding them. I simplified them, (not a jab). Do you find these points and intellectually honest? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:22:46 AM EDT
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So how do you explain leftists who don't believe in God? Did they suddenly gain new found wisdom in socialism/communism?
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:24:43 AM EDT
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Many comments about how science and god are compatible. Over my life, I've seen almost every time something new comes out in science, churches jump on it and agree with it, but give god the credit.
How about if god sends us some revelations to improve the human condition that are 1000% better than man's discoveries? I'd love to see some modern scripture that helps the current human condition, but that will never happen. Why? Because it is all a myth. Take the alleged Second Coming for example. I know the Bible says no man knows the time, but come on, isn't it way overdue according to the scriptures? Yes, yes it is. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:25:34 AM EDT
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I remember when I was in high school my one math teacher said he didn't go to casinos because the odds were against him. I found that amusing because my family is obsessed with gambling at casinos, but we don't go with the expectation of winning money. We go for the atmosphere and "free" perks that come with gambling. Sure, you may blow a few hundred bucks, but they give you food and alcohol and a place to stay for the night. And gambling can be fun and social, plus it helps take your mind off some of the struggles in life.
I think a lot of people trying to to do a similar thing to religion. They find one point to attack it, completely ignoring the fulfillment and joy it can provide with just a little open-mindedness. But if we absolutely must be "logical" and all sciency about this, let's apply my math teacher's philosophy to God: If a casino in Vegas had a prop bet that asked if God exists, payable upon PROOF, where would you put your money? You'd have to be a fool to bet that God doesn't exist because from the human perspective, it is impossible to disprove God. Sure, you can disprove some human's interpretation of God, but you can't actually disprove God. And if you die and there's no God? Well, you won't know you were correct. But if God does exist, no matter how small the chance of us being able to prove it, that chance is still greater than zero. And when we die and possibly find out for sure? Well, you can also put your money on the fact I'll be very glad I didn't deny my creator. The way I see it, there's no benefit or reason to deny God. It's one thing to question and not put your faith in man's interpretation of God, but to say you won't believe something without repeatable proof is like saying history doesn't exist because you won't witness it ever again. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:26:08 AM EDT
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It wouldn't be hard at all, but still, you would overcomplicate the task. It's child's play: The damned are stupid for even trying to explain the universe. Why can't they be like the smart ones and realize that not religion generally, hells no, but rather ones own religion and it alone that explains the entire universe. ...And Matt, I just realized your three points were in the big sign that I thought was just a joke. See above. (I have experience in this matter. I won't bother countering those three point with more than generalities.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[I failed at re-posting the joke.] It wouldn't be too hard at all to rewrite that to make religion (pick one of the several that don't agree with each other each dead certain they're right and the other camp is wrong) seem even more absurd. It wouldn't be hard at all, but still, you would overcomplicate the task. It's child's play: Quoted:
using science, reason, and mathematics it is impossible to come to the conclusion that the entire universe was all an accident The damned are stupid for even trying to explain the universe. Why can't they be like the smart ones and realize that not religion generally, hells no, but rather ones own religion and it alone that explains the entire universe. ...And Matt, I just realized your three points were in the big sign that I thought was just a joke. See above. (I have experience in this matter. I won't bother countering those three point with more than generalities.) I can't hightlight on my phone... But I hope that you realize the hypocrisy of the "the damned are too stupid..." Statement with "I have experience in this matter. I won't bother countering those".... You are equally dismissive as you accuse the believer of being. You might be able to claim a lot of things but you cannot claim that you were being intellectually honest... Or having a fair standard |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:32:17 AM EDT
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It's weird. I grew up in a religious household and then decided to use my brain. I still attend church with my wife and son but I have never felt anything from religion and it has never helped me in any way. I've always felt it was used to control people when they couldn't use science cell to figure it out.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:33:07 AM EDT
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I simplified them, (not a jab). Do you find these points and intellectually honest? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The three reasons that logic points to a theistic being were mentioned in the very first post of mine that you quoted Below? I took the liberty to number them. Quoted:
1) every major scientific mind until Darwin was a theist... Agree somewhat. Not long before Darwin's time an atheist would at worst be burned at the stake and at least see his work ridiculed as being the devil's work. 2) One can't hold that moral authority exists on any scale w/o a supreme being....In regard to morality I'm not a dogmatist. Therefore I'm intellectually free to disagree. Don't panic: I'm at ease with Christianity's morality constructs so long as it's the modern model where those intellectually free to dissent aren't burned at the stake. 3) [It could accurately be said that the very concept of logic is systematic objectivity and that a multitude of brains process logically is more indicative of a logistical programmer rather that a series of ransom events....without cause the rest [of your point] is subjectivity derived from intellectual confinement that is the hallmark of dogma. If you can take the word of an atheist, know that not only do I feel I don't get your three points, I'm not even finding them. I simplified them, (not a jab). Do you find these points and intellectually honest? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:33:12 AM EDT
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Many comments about how science and god are compatible. Over my life, I've seen almost every time something new comes out in science, churches jump on it and agree with it, but give god the credit. How about if god sends us some revelations to improve the human condition that are 1000% better than man's discoveries? I'd love to see some modern scripture that helps the current human condition, but that will never happen. Why? Because it is all a myth. Take the alleged Second Coming for example. I know the Bible says no man knows the time, but come on, isn't it way overdue according to the scriptures? Yes, yes it is. You're placing limitations on God. How about if God "sends us some revelations to improve the human condition"? LOL. So if God doesn't act as you think He should, then he doesn't exist? Talk about arrogant. Life isn't supposed to be easy. It's a test of our soul. We are a product of our environment, and all of this stuff is thrown at us to test our mettle. Consider this: Good exists relative to bad. All of the things in life you enjoy only have meaning because they are better than the alternative. If you want to eliminate the bad, then everything becomes neutral. Humans become accustomed to their environment. Even having the best all the time doesn't bring happiness. To maintain happiness there has to be the possibility of unhappiness. If you get rid of that by "improving the human condition" and you're screwed. I also don't understand how disproving some human's interpretation of God denies God's very existence. Wow. So enlightening. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:36:01 AM EDT
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It's weird. I grew up in a religious household and then decided to use my brain. I still attend church with my wife and son but I have never felt anything from religion and it has never helped me in any way. I've always felt it was used to control people when they couldn't use science cell to figure it out. The part in red is what is so disgusting about the attitude of many Atheists. You "decided to use my brain" and rejected Christianity. Does that mean that those of us that are Christians do not "use our brains"? That is your implication. Many very smart folks "use their brain" and decide that God is just Who the Bible says He is. Why do you feel it necessary to insult those of us that believe? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:45:04 AM EDT
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I can't hightlight on my phone... But I hope that you realize the hypocrisy of the "the damned are too stupid..." Statement with "I have experience in this matter. I won't bother countering those".... You are equally dismissive as you accuse the believer of being. You might be able to claim a lot of things but you cannot claim that you were being intellectually honest... Or having a fair standard Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[I failed at re-posting the joke.] It wouldn't be too hard at all to rewrite that to make religion (pick one of the several that don't agree with each other each dead certain they're right and the other camp is wrong) seem even more absurd. It wouldn't be hard at all, but still, you would overcomplicate the task. It's child's play: Quoted:
using science, reason, and mathematics it is impossible to come to the conclusion that the entire universe was all an accident The damned are stupid for even trying to explain the universe. Why can't they be like the smart ones and realize that not religion generally, hells no, but rather ones own religion and it alone that explains the entire universe. ...And Matt, I just realized your three points were in the big sign that I thought was just a joke. See above. (I have experience in this matter. I won't bother countering those three point with more than generalities.) I can't hightlight on my phone... But I hope that you realize the hypocrisy of the "the damned are too stupid..." Statement with "I have experience in this matter. I won't bother countering those".... You are equally dismissive as you accuse the believer of being. You might be able to claim a lot of things but you cannot claim that you were being intellectually honest... Or having a fair standard Sure I see it. It's inevitable. I sense it's your 'positive' experience in these matters that drives your challenge; getting right down to the best defense the dogmatist has: make him illustrate his dismissiveness. I get it. It's a good tact. It's because this tact is all I've witnessed a dogmatist to wield to effect in battle that I usually don't bother with it. ...That, and it makes us look bad. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:45:45 AM EDT
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I have to leave and fire up the ol' planet raper.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:49:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Evolution God cannot be proven. God Evolution cannot be disproven. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 11:54:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:00:56 PM EDT
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I have always had both religion and science in my life. If you drop the ridiculous need for absolutes of either it works fine.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The part in red is what is so disgusting about the attitude of many Atheists. You "decided to use my brain" and rejected Christianity. Does that mean that those of us that are Christians do not "use our brains"? That is your implication. Many very smart folks "use their brain" and decide that God is just Who the Bible says He is. Why do you feel it necessary to insult those of us that believe? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's weird. I grew up in a religious household and then decided to use my brain. I still attend church with my wife and son but I have never felt anything from religion and it has never helped me in any way. I've always felt it was used to control people when they couldn't use science cell to figure it out. The part in red is what is so disgusting about the attitude of many Atheists. You "decided to use my brain" and rejected Christianity. Does that mean that those of us that are Christians do not "use our brains"? That is your implication. Many very smart folks "use their brain" and decide that God is just Who the Bible says He is. Why do you feel it necessary to insult those of us that believe? To wit: I'm an electrical engineer and work on a team that designs high-performance microprocessors. I'm also a Christian.  |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:06:28 PM EDT
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Why is believing in God illogical? Doesn't intelligent design make sense? No. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:07:26 PM EDT
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Evolution cannot be proven. God cannot be disproven. Straw man argument. Prove the existence of God. Funny how this game works, huh? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:48:58 PM EDT
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You enlightened Athiests elected Obama into office twice. So don't preach to me about being logical and analytical. 
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:50:45 PM EDT
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To wit: I'm an electrical engineer and work on a team that designs high-performance microprocessors. I'm also a Christian.
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It's weird. I grew up in a religious household and then decided to use my brain. I still attend church with my wife and son but I have never felt anything from religion and it has never helped me in any way. I've always felt it was used to control people when they couldn't use science cell to figure it out. The part in red is what is so disgusting about the attitude of many Atheists. You "decided to use my brain" and rejected Christianity. Does that mean that those of us that are Christians do not "use our brains"? That is your implication. Many very smart folks "use their brain" and decide that God is just Who the Bible says He is. Why do you feel it necessary to insult those of us that believe? To wit: I'm an electrical engineer and work on a team that designs high-performance microprocessors. I'm also a Christian.
Sorry, but since you are a Christian, you obviously do not "use your brain". |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:54:22 PM EDT
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I personally will stay with the things that have a track record of success in my life. Faith that Jesus Christ died for my sins, practical knowledge that God hears my prayers and answers them. The by product from these beliefs have produced a lot of happiness in my life.
Atheism offers me no help, no happiness, no success and no hope. Believe what you want, but from a practical standpoint atheism would be one loser of a belief system for me to adopt. I will cling to my religion and my guns! |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:55:16 PM EDT
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Sincerely, I don't know. Sincerely too, whether it's true or false, I believe a believer's dogma subjectively leads him to an assumption that atheists are overwhelmingly leftist. I strongly suspect dogma won't let the believer 'think' atheists are anything but Satan's minions. (That's the point of the scenario.) Atheism is a natural enemy of Christianity's politics, but atheism isn't necessarily bad for America. It's sure that from the RR's PoV there shall be no extension of conservatism's arms to welcome the atheist, but by no means is that truth expected to keep y'all from driving atheists to the extended arms of the Left, especially younger ones. I'm sure they exist but I don't know an atheist who's a leftist. The atheists I know get the wisdom of the Constitution and the necessity of SoCaS. One needn't believe in [G]od to achieve AFRCOM nirvana in "getting both".
Sincerely asked questions: (The Left are as vociferous about their tenants as the RR.) Do you have a reason to believe atheists are overwhelmingly leftists other than information provided by the media? Is it possible you believe atheists are overwhelmingly leftists because they've 'suckered' you into wanting to believe it? Can you see the value to the Left in such disinformation glibly believed by Christians? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One will wonder, again, how many of the pro-Christian Right posters on this board are really in bed with the Left because: A) they'll get busy refuting the plain-as-day point in the 2nd above post or B) they'll ignore it because they want the thread to die thus minimizing ARFCOM's exposure to it. you don't want to go there I would guess most atheist are liberals that would take away our guns . there are idiots on both sides. Sincerely, I don't know. Sincerely too, whether it's true or false, I believe a believer's dogma subjectively leads him to an assumption that atheists are overwhelmingly leftist. I strongly suspect dogma won't let the believer 'think' atheists are anything but Satan's minions. (That's the point of the scenario.) Atheism is a natural enemy of Christianity's politics, but atheism isn't necessarily bad for America. It's sure that from the RR's PoV there shall be no extension of conservatism's arms to welcome the atheist, but by no means is that truth expected to keep y'all from driving atheists to the extended arms of the Left, especially younger ones. I'm sure they exist but I don't know an atheist who's a leftist. The atheists I know get the wisdom of the Constitution and the necessity of SoCaS. One needn't believe in [G]od to achieve AFRCOM nirvana in "getting both".
Sincerely asked questions: (The Left are as vociferous about their tenants as the RR.) Do you have a reason to believe atheists are overwhelmingly leftists other than information provided by the media? Is it possible you believe atheists are overwhelmingly leftists because they've 'suckered' you into wanting to believe it? Can you see the value to the Left in such disinformation glibly believed by Christians? as far as I know Christians do not have a dogma on atheist. you sure do a lot of projecting I know some conservative atheist but most vote democrat. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 12:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry, but since you are a Christian, you obviously do not "use your brain". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's weird. I grew up in a religious household and then decided to use my brain. I still attend church with my wife and son but I have never felt anything from religion and it has never helped me in any way. I've always felt it was used to control people when they couldn't use science cell to figure it out. The part in red is what is so disgusting about the attitude of many Atheists. You "decided to use my brain" and rejected Christianity. Does that mean that those of us that are Christians do not "use our brains"? That is your implication. Many very smart folks "use their brain" and decide that God is just Who the Bible says He is. Why do you feel it necessary to insult those of us that believe? To wit: I'm an electrical engineer and work on a team that designs high-performance microprocessors. I'm also a Christian. Sorry, but since you are a Christian, you obviously do not "use your brain". |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:05:54 PM EDT
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One will wonder, again, how many of the pro-Christian Right posters on this board are really in bed with the Left because: A) they'll get busy refuting the plain-as-day point in the 2nd above post or B) they'll ignore it because they want the thread to die thus minimizing ARFCOM's exposure to it. keep thinking like that.....it's really kind of funny. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:08:30 PM EDT
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You enlightened Athiests elected Obama into office twice. So don't preach to me about being logical and analytical. nuh-uh...according to injun -ear...all us stupid poopy head Christians voted for Obama. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Evolution cannot be proven. God cannot be disproven. A) Yes it can. A basic, BASIC understanding of the subject would preclude such an asinine statement. B) Those that make claims of the supernatural, such as "god(s)" are the ones who have the burden of proof, not the other way around. "I saw a flying unicorn circling my house today. Clear as day, it even landed on my lawn. Prove to me that it didn't do that and that it doesn't exist." Make the claim, back it up.....and to suggest a single 2000 year old book written by Bronze Age tribesmen as the sole "proof" of the existence of a "God" is absurd on many levels. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:20:11 PM EDT
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To wit: I'm an electrical engineer and work on a team that designs high-performance microprocessors. I'm also a Christian.
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It's weird. I grew up in a religious household and then decided to use my brain. I still attend church with my wife and son but I have never felt anything from religion and it has never helped me in any way. I've always felt it was used to control people when they couldn't use science cell to figure it out. The part in red is what is so disgusting about the attitude of many Atheists. You "decided to use my brain" and rejected Christianity. Does that mean that those of us that are Christians do not "use our brains"? That is your implication. Many very smart folks "use their brain" and decide that God is just Who the Bible says He is. Why do you feel it necessary to insult those of us that believe? To wit: I'm an electrical engineer and work on a team that designs high-performance microprocessors. I'm also a Christian.
I've got a buddy that's a an aeronautical engineer.....quite possibly one of the sharpest around...with a number of patents, he's also an accomplished pilot, and Major in the ANG.....very much a Christian...as He and I served on the same board of Elders for years at our little Church. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:22:18 PM EDT
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You enlightened Athiests elected Obama into office twice. So don't preach to me about being logical and analytical. nuh-uh...according to injun -ear...all us stupid poopy head Christians voted for Obama. The predominant religion in the US is __________? More than 50% of the popular and electoral vote went to BHO twice. So yes, those who claim Christianity sure did elect that guy twice. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:23:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  seriously?What about dinos? They are in the Bible No logical believer denies micro evolution ( within the same species) Macro evolution though? https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/11427387_901782453216219_1788885934_n.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If God created the planet and humans, explain the dinosaurs and proven evolution in our own species and others. seriously?What about dinos? They are in the Bible No logical believer denies micro evolution ( within the same species) Macro evolution though? https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/11427387_901782453216219_1788885934_n.jpg ring species show how many small changes add up to enough changes to make organism unable to breed once 2 gene pools can no longer breed, they develop along different paths Evolution is an observable truth, like gravity. Our theory of evolution is the best explanation for that observable truth, just like our theory of gravity. I'm a theist btw and the vast majority of theists accept evolution as solid science. The head of the human genome project was a believer. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:36:03 PM EDT
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Sorry, but since you are a Christian, you obviously do not "use your brain". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's weird. I grew up in a religious household and then decided to use my brain. I still attend church with my wife and son but I have never felt anything from religion and it has never helped me in any way. I've always felt it was used to control people when they couldn't use science cell to figure it out. The part in red is what is so disgusting about the attitude of many Atheists. You "decided to use my brain" and rejected Christianity. Does that mean that those of us that are Christians do not "use our brains"? That is your implication. Many very smart folks "use their brain" and decide that God is just Who the Bible says He is. Why do you feel it necessary to insult those of us that believe? To wit: I'm an electrical engineer and work on a team that designs high-performance microprocessors. I'm also a Christian.
Sorry, but since you are a Christian, you obviously do not "use your brain". I think you are taking offence where none may be intended. People who reject religion believe that they have employed a logical, rational train of thought, which leads to their conclusion. (which I will leave unstated) They do not perceive the faithful as employing either logical or rational thought, in matters of religion. Usually, those who seek to be offended ....... will be. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:38:52 PM EDT
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I've got a buddy that's a an aeronautical engineer.....quite possibly one of the sharpest around...with a number of patents, he's also an accomplished pilot, and Major in the ANG.....very much a Christian...as He and I served on the same board of Elders for years at our little Church. So, what, exactly, do you conclude from this fact? You have offered an isolated fact, what conclusion does it support? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:44:13 PM EDT
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Because Faith. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hebrews says "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen" People have faith in God. Therefore, God has substance and evidence Things with substance and evidence exist Therefore, God exists. Circular logic. Fail. You cannot quote the Bible to prove the Bible. Also, if I have faith in unicorns, does that mean they exist? You just gotta believe man. It's all about feelings and stuff. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:45:12 PM EDT
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I was guilty of suspending my logic for decades as a religious person. I've been out of religion for five years and I feel as though the truth (Science and logic) has set me free. Anyone else come to this conclusion after years in religion? Why are we so logical and analytical in every other aspect of our lives? But when it comes to God and religion we suspend all forms of logic and common sense. This is not a bashing thread, I was one of the religious people who believed for years and years, I get it. It is just an interesting phenomenon. Switched to Global Warming? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:46:50 PM EDT
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Because I know it is a fact. Absolutely impossible. A fact can be objectively proven. The thing I ask is, how do atheists KNOW that we theists DON'T know? Have you lived our lives? How can you be so certain that we haven't had some experiences which prove to us that it's true? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:48:39 PM EDT
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All things in balance, including heart and mind.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 1:54:22 PM EDT
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I personally will stay with the things that have a track record of success in my life. Faith that Jesus Christ died for my sins, practical knowledge that God hears my prayers and answers them. The by product from these beliefs have produced a lot of happiness in my life. Atheism offers me no help, no happiness, no success and no hope. Believe what you want, but from a practical standpoint atheism would be one loser of a belief system for me to adopt. I will cling to my religion and my guns! |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:01:27 PM EDT
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The thing I ask is, how do atheists KNOW that we theists DON'T know? Have you lived our lives? How can you be so certain that we haven't had some experiences which prove to us that it's true? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because I know it is a fact. Absolutely impossible. A fact can be objectively proven. The thing I ask is, how do atheists KNOW that we theists DON'T know? Have you lived our lives? How can you be so certain that we haven't had some experiences which prove to us that it's true? Care to share one, or more? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:21:10 PM EDT
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So, what, exactly, do you conclude from this fact? You have offered an isolated fact, what conclusion does it support? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've got a buddy that's a an aeronautical engineer.....quite possibly one of the sharpest around...with a number of patents, he's also an accomplished pilot, and Major in the ANG.....very much a Christian...as He and I served on the same board of Elders for years at our little Church. So, what, exactly, do you conclude from this fact? You have offered an isolated fact, what conclusion does it support? "I'm atheist because I use my brain" That is exactly what was said....and exactly what was meant...equivocate all you like. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:26:35 PM EDT
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The predominant religion in the US is __________? More than 50% of the popular and electoral vote went to BHO twice. So yes, those who claim Christianity sure did elect that guy twice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You enlightened Athiests elected Obama into office twice. So don't preach to me about being logical and analytical. nuh-uh...according to injun -ear...all us stupid poopy head Christians voted for Obama. The predominant religion in the US is __________? More than 50% of the popular and electoral vote went to BHO twice. So yes, those who claim Christianity sure did elect that guy twice. I defy you to find one Christian here on arfcom that voted for Obama....I know of at least one atheist that admits to it. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got a buddy that's a an aeronautical engineer.....quite possibly one of the sharpest around...with a number of patents, he's also an accomplished pilot, and Major in the ANG.....very much a Christian...as He and I served on the same board of Elders for years at our little Church. I's only gots one patent. I ain't smart. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:34:12 PM EDT
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I don't.
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:38:47 PM EDT
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Many comments about how science and god are compatible. Over my life, I've seen almost every time something new comes out in science, churches jump on it and agree with it, but give god the credit. How about if god sends us some revelations to improve the human condition that are 1000% better than man's discoveries? I'd love to see some modern scripture that helps the current human condition, but that will never happen. Why? Because it is all a myth. Take the alleged Second Coming for example. I know the Bible says no man knows the time, but come on, isn't it way overdue according to the scriptures? Yes, yes it is. but your not trolling right? sorry that was not really a question, more of a statement |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:41:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:45:25 PM EDT
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but your not trolling right? sorry that was not really a question, more of a statement Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Many comments about how science and god are compatible. Over my life, I've seen almost every time something new comes out in science, churches jump on it and agree with it, but give god the credit. How about if god sends us some revelations to improve the human condition that are 1000% better than man's discoveries? I'd love to see some modern scripture that helps the current human condition, but that will never happen. Why? Because it is all a myth. Take the alleged Second Coming for example. I know the Bible says no man knows the time, but come on, isn't it way overdue according to the scriptures? Yes, yes it is. but your not trolling right? sorry that was not really a question, more of a statement It is so weak to pull out the TROLL label. How about intellectually addressing my points. Or just don't comment. Using the TROLL label is akin to liberal college students shouting down a lecturer with an opposing viewpoint. If all you can do is pull out the TROLL label, please stay out of the thread. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:45:44 PM EDT
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Evolution cannot be proven. God cannot be disproven. This post puts it in perspective....... |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 2:51:08 PM EDT
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I defy you to find one Christian here on arfcom that voted for Obama....I know of at least one atheist that admits to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You enlightened Athiests elected Obama into office twice. So don't preach to me about being logical and analytical. nuh-uh...according to injun -ear...all us stupid poopy head Christians voted for Obama. The predominant religion in the US is __________? More than 50% of the popular and electoral vote went to BHO twice. So yes, those who claim Christianity sure did elect that guy twice. I defy you to find one Christian here on arfcom that voted for Obama....I know of at least one atheist that admits to it. Reckon none of our esteemed labor unioneers are Christian? |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:08:43 PM EDT
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You enlightened Athiests elected Obama into office twice. So don't preach to me about being logical and analytical. nuh-uh...according to injun -ear...all us stupid poopy head Christians voted for Obama. The predominant religion in the US is __________? More than 50% of the popular and electoral vote went to BHO twice. So yes, those who claim Christianity sure did elect that guy twice. I defy you to find one Christian here on arfcom that voted for Obama....I know of at least one atheist that admits to it. Reckon none of our esteemed labor unioneers are Christian? lol I'm a union member...I did most certain not vote for Obama. Same bet...find a union member here that voted for Obama..and I'll find and atheist that did. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:10:05 PM EDT
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You enlightened Athiests elected Obama into office twice. So don't preach to me about being logical and analytical. nuh-uh...according to injun -ear...all us stupid poopy head Christians voted for Obama. The predominant religion in the US is __________? More than 50% of the popular and electoral vote went to BHO twice. So yes, those who claim Christianity sure did elect that guy twice. I defy you to find one Christian here on arfcom that voted for Obama....I know of at least one atheist that admits to it. Reckon none of our esteemed labor unioneers are Christian? One thing is sure, the union stooges paid dues that their "bosses" used to fund the (D)s. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:26:46 PM EDT
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One thing is sure, the union stooges paid dues that their "bosses" used to fund the (D)s. lmao...How many votes do those "bosses" get? funny how you guys keep running from the truth of the matter....and the truth is...far more atheists voted for Obama...than Christians did....just can't stand it can you? so you deflect and misdirect. |
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Posted: 7/4/2015 3:36:13 PM EDT
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lmao...How many votes do those "bosses" get? funny how you guys keep running from the truth of the matter....and the truth is...far more atheists voted for Obama...than Christians did....just can't stand it can you? so you deflect and misdirect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One thing is sure, the union stooges paid dues that their "bosses" used to fund the (D)s. lmao...How many votes do those "bosses" get? funny how you guys keep running from the truth of the matter....and the truth is...far more atheists voted for Obama...than Christians did....just can't stand it can you? so you deflect and misdirect. Tell us the source of this "fact". Do you have a citation? |
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