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So what the flag symbolizes to me must be the same thing that you infer that it symbolizes..racism? Project much? Under your definition my neighbor who is a WWII south Pacific vet that flies the stars and bars must be embracing racism. His 1/2 black great grandchild is going to be sooo disappointed! Unfortunately for people that don't live in the south they tend to believe that the flag must be a racist symbol and insist on labeling it as such. It is an uniformed opinion at best. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Actually I am quite a reasonable person you just don't know me from Adam. ETA: If you want to discuss that the Stars and Bars was not the historically correct flag then I would give you that point. If you want to paint the Stars and Bars with a broad brush of racism then you would be just as ignorant as those that wish to revise history. I paint the Confederacy with the Broad brush of racism. Flags and what not are secondary to that. Anyone who tries to deny the very foundation of the movement that led to it is the one trying to revise history. Anyone who fixates on different flags is clearly missing the point, probably intentionally. So what the flag symbolizes to me must be the same thing that you infer that it symbolizes..racism? Project much? Under your definition my neighbor who is a WWII south Pacific vet that flies the stars and bars must be embracing racism. His 1/2 black great grandchild is going to be sooo disappointed! Unfortunately for people that don't live in the south they tend to believe that the flag must be a racist symbol and insist on labeling it as such. It is an uniformed opinion at best. I travel a lot for work. I have seen less racism in the South. |
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No one cares what you have revised history to pretend that flag means. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Actually I am quite a reasonable person you just don't know me from Adam. ETA: If you want to discuss that the Stars and Bars was not the historically correct flag then I would give you that point. If you want to paint the Stars and Bars with a broad brush of racism then you would be just as ignorant as those that wish to revise history. I paint the Confederacy with the Broad brush of racism. Flags and what not are secondary to that. Anyone who tries to deny the very foundation of the movement that led to it is the one trying to revise history. Anyone who fixates on different flags is clearly missing the point, probably intentionally. So what the flag symbolizes to me must be the same thing that you infer that it symbolizes..racism? Project much? Under your definition my neighbor who is a WWII south Pacific vet that flies the stars and bars must be embracing racism. His 1/2 black great grandchild is going to be sooo disappointed! Unfortunately for people that don't live in the south they tend to believe that the flag must be a racist symbol and insist on labeling it as such. It is an uniformed opinion at best. No one cares what you have revised history to pretend that flag means. That's funny. Most of the country doesn't care what five assholes in black robes revised the word marriage to mean either, but here we are forced to live under the new revision. Why is their revision ok ? |
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Actually I am quite a reasonable person you just don't know me from Adam. ETA: If you want to discuss that the Stars and Bars was not the historically correct flag then I would give you that point. If you want to paint the Stars and Bars with a broad brush of racism then you would be just as ignorant as those that wish to revise history. I paint the Confederacy with the Broad brush of racism. Flags and what not are secondary to that. Anyone who tries to deny the very foundation of the movement that led to it is the one trying to revise history. Anyone who fixates on different flags is clearly missing the point, probably intentionally. Slavery and segregation was legal under the US Flag longer than it was under the stars and bars. So? The so is that you can try to erase history all you want, doesn't change that it happened. Revising history is a classic communist move and this tactic they are using is nothing more than groundwork for even more damaging changes to this countries history. How long before the Constitution is banned because it was written by slave owners.....you know, because of feelings? At this point I wish the confederacy had won...... Because what was left in the wake of its defeat is leading to this countries destruction. I fear slavery will be the least of our problems within the next 50 years. |
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That's funny. Most of the country doesn't care what five assholes in black robes revised the word marriage to mean either, but here we are forced to live under the new revision. Why is their revision ok ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Actually I am quite a reasonable person you just don't know me from Adam. ETA: If you want to discuss that the Stars and Bars was not the historically correct flag then I would give you that point. If you want to paint the Stars and Bars with a broad brush of racism then you would be just as ignorant as those that wish to revise history. I paint the Confederacy with the Broad brush of racism. Flags and what not are secondary to that. Anyone who tries to deny the very foundation of the movement that led to it is the one trying to revise history. Anyone who fixates on different flags is clearly missing the point, probably intentionally. So what the flag symbolizes to me must be the same thing that you infer that it symbolizes..racism? Project much? Under your definition my neighbor who is a WWII south Pacific vet that flies the stars and bars must be embracing racism. His 1/2 black great grandchild is going to be sooo disappointed! Unfortunately for people that don't live in the south they tend to believe that the flag must be a racist symbol and insist on labeling it as such. It is an uniformed opinion at best. No one cares what you have revised history to pretend that flag means. That's funny. Most of the country doesn't care what five assholes in black robes revised the word marriage to mean either, but here we are forced to live under the new revision. Why is their revision ok ? Probably because under the Constitution, they get to do what they did. You don't have to agree with it, but your opinion counts for one vote at the ballot box, feel free to use it. There's no comparison between a SCOTUS decision and the continued flying of a flag that celebrates racism and slavery. |
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Confederate Flag Flop: Public Opinion Remains Unchanged From Where It Was 15 Years Ago
Flag flop The latest polling shows that most Americans still view the Confederate flag as a symbol of Southern pride as opposed to racism — an opinion that has not significantly changed in 15 years.
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So the definition of things does not change with time? Can things be redefined with time? I will put out there that if the definition of words can be changed , then the definition of a flag can change. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Actually I am quite a reasonable person you just don't know me from Adam. ETA: If you want to discuss that the Stars and Bars was not the historically correct flag then I would give you that point. If you want to paint the Stars and Bars with a broad brush of racism then you would be just as ignorant as those that wish to revise history. I paint the Confederacy with the Broad brush of racism. Flags and what not are secondary to that. Anyone who tries to deny the very foundation of the movement that led to it is the one trying to revise history. Anyone who fixates on different flags is clearly missing the point, probably intentionally. So the definition of things does not change with time? Can things be redefined with time? I will put out there that if the definition of words can be changed , then the definition of a flag can change. None of that changes the history. Yet people accuse me of being revisionist. Laughable. There might be some people who sincerely believe the Nazi "Reich" was a noble anti-Communist cause and that the Holocaust never happened. That doesn't make them correct. It makes them delusional. Oh, but there was anti-semitism and ultranationalist ambition in Europe for millennia, the Nazi Reich only existed for 12 years! Derp! |
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Confederate Flag Flop: Public Opinion Remains Unchanged From Where It Was 15 Years Ago Flag flop The latest polling shows that most Americans still view the Confederate flag as a symbol of Southern pride as opposed to racism — an opinion that has not significantly changed in 15 years.
After the last couple of weeks of anti-Confederate hysteria, you don’t have to be a fan of the rebel battle flag to appreciate that the public is basically shrugging their shoulders. LOL, CNN National poll and only a 2 point change in 15 years. 57% believe in represents Southern pride, not racism. 33% think it represents racism. That includes a majority of blacks, all true "progressives" and 50 GD SJW's. |
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There's no comparison between a SCOTUS decision and the continued flying of a flag that celebrates racism and slavery. jeez, that was really stupid.... You don't have to like facts, they're still facts. |
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None of that changes the history. Yet people accuse me of being revisionist. Laughable. There might be some people who sincerely believe the Nazi "Reich" was a noble anti-Communist cause and that the Holocaust never happened. That doesn't make them correct. It makes them delusional. Oh, but there was anti-semitism and ultranationalist ambition in Europe for millennia, the Nazi Reich only existed for 12 years! Derp! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Actually I am quite a reasonable person you just don't know me from Adam. ETA: If you want to discuss that the Stars and Bars was not the historically correct flag then I would give you that point. If you want to paint the Stars and Bars with a broad brush of racism then you would be just as ignorant as those that wish to revise history. I paint the Confederacy with the Broad brush of racism. Flags and what not are secondary to that. Anyone who tries to deny the very foundation of the movement that led to it is the one trying to revise history. Anyone who fixates on different flags is clearly missing the point, probably intentionally. So the definition of things does not change with time? Can things be redefined with time? I will put out there that if the definition of words can be changed , then the definition of a flag can change. None of that changes the history. Yet people accuse me of being revisionist. Laughable. There might be some people who sincerely believe the Nazi "Reich" was a noble anti-Communist cause and that the Holocaust never happened. That doesn't make them correct. It makes them delusional. Oh, but there was anti-semitism and ultranationalist ambition in Europe for millennia, the Nazi Reich only existed for 12 years! Derp! The argument that throughout the history of the word marriage meant one man one woman , didn't mean jack to the five communists on the SC. So I'm assuming you're with the majority of the people in believing in the "historical" meaning of the word marriage ? What is trying to get people like you to see, is that when you put the very definition of everything in the hands of gov , you get utter hypocrisy. While you may agree now, with a lib gov , will you be so understanding of a conservative gov redefining things their way? Why give gov that power at all? You keep harping on history, but do you really understand that argument? The history and true meaning of the constitution is well written about in the federalist papers, maybe we should force the gov to abide by what was written? Using History as an argument wont be kind to the liberals if extended to other arguments in our society . |
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There is no historically valid reason to fly all of these flags equal to the US flag like they do. The only reason they ever did was pandering. http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/akr/park/fosu/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5.JPG Now, to denote positions, specific regions, equipment, etc? Or, in a display teaching about the various flags flown by opposing forces? Yeah, that happens at a shitload of NPS-managed sites. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Huh. No history of it there? There is no historically valid reason to fly all of these flags equal to the US flag like they do. The only reason they ever did was pandering. http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/akr/park/fosu/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5.JPG Now, to denote positions, specific regions, equipment, etc? Or, in a display teaching about the various flags flown by opposing forces? Yeah, that happens at a shitload of NPS-managed sites. Each of the flags is explained in its historical context during the flag raising process in the morning. Usually I like your posts, but your ignorance in this is astounding. |
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The pity is that no future administration, no matter how conservative, will ever put them back up. They're gone forever, and with them some important lessons and reminders.
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Quoted: You don't have to like facts, they're still facts. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's no comparison between a SCOTUS decision and the continued flying of a flag that celebrates racism and slavery. jeez, that was really stupid.... You don't have to like facts, they're still facts. Quit wallowing in your self righteousness. Things change over time. Ideas, words, and thoughts. The Confederate flag I think to most southerners represents pride in the South. It no longer represents the idea of slave ownership, or hatred against blacks. I'm going to assume both you and Bohr are from the north since both of you only have your black or white blinders on. |
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Quit wallowing in your self righteousness. Things change over time. Ideas, words, and thoughts. The Confederate flag I think to most southerners represents pride in the South. It no longer represents the idea of slave ownership, or hatred against blacks. I'm going to assume both you and Bohr are from the north since both of you only have your black or white blinders on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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There's no comparison between a SCOTUS decision and the continued flying of a flag that celebrates racism and slavery. jeez, that was really stupid.... You don't have to like facts, they're still facts. Quit wallowing in your self righteousness. Things change over time. Ideas, words, and thoughts. The Confederate flag I think to most southerners represents pride in the South. It no longer represents the idea of slave ownership, or hatred against blacks. I'm going to assume both you and Bohr are from the north since both of you only have your black or white blinders on. Oh you changed its meaning so it's okay now. No one gives a fuck about your revisionist history. |
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Quoted: Oh you changed its meaning so it's okay now. No one gives a fuck about your revisionist history. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: There's no comparison between a SCOTUS decision and the continued flying of a flag that celebrates racism and slavery. jeez, that was really stupid.... You don't have to like facts, they're still facts. Quit wallowing in your self righteousness. Things change over time. Ideas, words, and thoughts. The Confederate flag I think to most southerners represents pride in the South. It no longer represents the idea of slave ownership, or hatred against blacks. I'm going to assume both you and Bohr are from the north since both of you only have your black or white blinders on. Oh you changed its meaning so it's okay now. No one gives a fuck about your revisionist history. And no one gives a fuck about you. So piss off if you don't like it. |
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Each of the flags is explained in its historical context during the flag raising process in the morning. Usually I like your posts, but your ignorance in this is astounding. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Huh. No history of it there? There is no historically valid reason to fly all of these flags equal to the US flag like they do. The only reason they ever did was pandering. http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/akr/park/fosu/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5.JPG Now, to denote positions, specific regions, equipment, etc? Or, in a display teaching about the various flags flown by opposing forces? Yeah, that happens at a shitload of NPS-managed sites. Each of the flags is explained in its historical context during the flag raising process in the morning. Usually I like your posts, but your ignorance in this is astounding. But he posted why the Confederacy formed. (Just like he does in every thread and it's really long so he must be informed.) Thanks for the info about the flag raising. |
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jeez, that was really stupid.... You don't have to like facts, they're still facts. Quit wallowing in your self righteousness. Things change over time. Ideas, words, and thoughts. The Confederate flag I think to most southerners represents pride in the South. It no longer represents the idea of slave ownership, or hatred against blacks. I'm going to assume both you and Bohr are from the north since both of you only have your black or white blinders on. Oh you changed its meaning so it's okay now. No one gives a fuck about your revisionist history. And no one gives a fuck about you. So piss off if you don't like it. Nah, I think I'll just be over here enjoying your crying and pissing and moaning as another symbol of hate and oppression finally joins things like the swastika in the dustbin of history. Nobody likes a sore loser. |
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There's no comparison between a SCOTUS decision and the continued flying of a flag that celebrates racism and slavery. jeez, that was really stupid.... You don't have to like facts, they're still facts. Quit wallowing in your self righteousness. Things change over time. Ideas, words, and thoughts. The Confederate flag I think to most southerners represents pride in the South. It no longer represents the idea of slave ownership, or hatred against blacks. I'm going to assume both you and Bohr are from the north since both of you only have your black or white blinders on. Oh you changed its meaning so it's okay now. No one gives a fuck about your revisionist history. Except for the majority of America, and that hasn't changed in the past 15 years. The only ones bitching about the flag are a gaggle of Jarrett/Soros freaks and a few of you here in GD. If you care about racism then do something about it. Taking flags down at Fort Sumter, from Amazon, Ebay, Daytona Motor Speedway and the Dukes of Hazard isn't going to accomplish anything. Stop acting like Obama's little pajama boy. |
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I'm sure some of the posters in this thread are celebrating the USSC's step by step dismantling of the Constitution, since it was openly racist.
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Huh. No history of it there? There is no historically valid reason to fly all of these flags equal to the US flag like they do. The only reason they ever did was pandering. http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/akr/park/fosu/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5.JPG Now, to denote positions, specific regions, equipment, etc? Or, in a display teaching about the various flags flown by opposing forces? Yeah, that happens at a shitload of NPS-managed sites. Each of the flags is explained in its historical context during the flag raising process in the morning. Usually I like your posts, but your ignorance in this is astounding. Pandering is pandering, regardless of a few minutes of disclaimer nobody hears. |
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The pity is that no future administration, no matter how conservative, will ever put them back up. They're gone forever, and with them some important lessons and reminders. View Quote They're not "gone forever" they are relegated to exhibits and historical markers as they should be. |
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Huh. No history of it there? There is no historically valid reason to fly all of these flags equal to the US flag like they do. The only reason they ever did was pandering. http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/akr/park/fosu/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5/82655295-1DD8-B71C-075F8572ADFF7BB5.JPG Now, to denote positions, specific regions, equipment, etc? Or, in a display teaching about the various flags flown by opposing forces? Yeah, that happens at a shitload of NPS-managed sites. Each of the flags is explained in its historical context during the flag raising process in the morning. Usually I like your posts, but your ignorance in this is astounding. Pandering is pandering, regardless of a few minutes of disclaimer nobody hears. Lmfao...you've just made the most ironic and hypocritical post in arf history....to call out Pandering....ahaaaahhhhaaaaaa.... You can drop all the cut and paste of civil war history, but all this flag shit is just that PC Pandering....thats fucking rich coming from you!!!! Thanks for the laugh... you've just rendered every one of your post in this thread and others on the topic moot. Love it when people and their ignorance and inconsistency of self righteousness out themselves. |
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View Quote That song is rife with nuanced racism and white supremacy overtones. I'm surprised it's even legal to play. (My favorite song from The Band and a great remake. ) |
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Just a few bandwagon jumpers on this thread that don't even live in the South but want to force their personal viewpoints on those that do. Freedom much?
Josh I know your answer since you have assured us many times that the NSA isn't nefarious or something we should be concerned about. I'm sorry you are so butthurt over a flag suddenly now that you think popular opinion support your statist views. |
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Quoted: When dos the Kristallnacht start? I want to get in the glass biz. View Quote They need a scapegoat to rally the masses around, it was Jews in Germany, it's Whites now. Now about that Jewish White privilege where we need to expunge you from the media and academia...oh and about that wealth your people "stole"...throw your gold rings and watches in that pile and shoes in that one...step inside. At the rate this racial hate is being pushed by this media imagine 10-20 years from now, when you are a minority by design. |
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Funny how in Canada its still legal to fly the Confederate flag..my neighbor has one up. Not so in the land of the "free' anymore...
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Quoted: Honestly you are not that far off. As an historian I'm seeing a very close historical social parallel repeating itself right now. The White males (especially Southern) are the new Jews and the government and media we have right now are acting in a very similar same manner as the German government and press of 1933 whipping up hate and attempting to scrub society of all history in order to start its new national socialist 'religion'. They need a scapegoat to rally the masses around, it was Jews in Germany, it's Whites now. Now about that Jewish White privilege where we need to expunge you from the media and academia...oh and about that wealth your people "stole"...throw your gold rings and watches in that pile and shoes in that one...step inside. At the rate this racial hate is being pushed by this media imagine 10-20 years from now, when you are a minority by design. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: When dos the Kristallnacht start? I want to get in the glass biz. They need a scapegoat to rally the masses around, it was Jews in Germany, it's Whites now. Now about that Jewish White privilege where we need to expunge you from the media and academia...oh and about that wealth your people "stole"...throw your gold rings and watches in that pile and shoes in that one...step inside. At the rate this racial hate is being pushed by this media imagine 10-20 years from now, when you are a minority by design. Thank you I was waiting for anyone to see the parallels that this path we are headed down resembles. Divide and conquer that is all this is, it has nothing to do with slavery or a flag, but that won't stop the useful idiots that think they are far more insightful than the uneducated masses. |
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Which flag was genocide (can't really call it anything else) against the American Indian Tribes committed under?
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In this thread, a statist spends a lot of time saying "don't display things I don't like!"
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On the positive side, the sooner we can erase history, the sooner we can repeat it. Preferably with better results next time.
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