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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:34:54 PM EDT
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This applies to the USMC too.
So....a 4 year enlistment. With 10.6% of it being paid for doing nothing. And 25% of it not being able to be on full duty. Wow. I would not have a problem with this if they got 6 weeks "free" then for every day after that their contract was extended. Otherwise that's a lot of wasted training. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:38:57 PM EDT
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Setting the bar for the new Federal mandate to all employers. That's fucking insane.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:39:26 PM EDT
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How much paternity leave?
Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:40:21 PM EDT
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I'm torn.
My cousin is a Naval officer and was required to go back to work at 30 days. A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. My wife was able to take 3 months paid leave both times because she is smart and saved her earned leave up. The .mil doesn't give that option. But then again, part of the package when you commit to contract with an organization. If you're a female and want kids then you need to make sure you understand the intricacies of what's required of you. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:42:03 PM EDT
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How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat What an elegant description. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:42:44 PM EDT
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How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:47:46 PM EDT
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I'm torn. My cousin is a Naval officer and was required to go back to work at 30 days. A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. My wife was able to take 3 months paid leave both times because she is smart and saved her earned leave up. The .mil doesn't give that option. But then again, part of the package when you commit to contract with an organization. If you're a female and want kids then you need to make sure you understand the intricacies of what's required of you. I'm a Naval Officer in a field with many females, and several of them have had children. They were all given 6 weeks paid maternity leave, no personal leave included. Not sure why your cousin only got 30 days, it's been the navy's policy to give 6 weeks for a while. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 4:50:11 PM EDT
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A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. 
I'm old enough to remember when mother's debated going back to work when the kid hit first or seventh grades! #FBHO #BHONewEconomy |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 5:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Sick time. Fuck,yourself you ain't sick Unless the mom or baby is sick, go,to work. Unless you have a job that doesn't matter much |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 5:06:28 PM EDT
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Vacation fine Sick time. Fuck,yourself you ain't sick Unless the mom or baby is sick, go,to work. Unless you have a job that doesn't matter much Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Fuck,yourself you ain't sick Unless the mom or baby is sick, go,to work. Unless you have a job that doesn't matter much What if the wife has a job that "matters more" than the husband's job? shouldn't she be able to go back to work after a couple of weeks while the husband has paternity leave to take care of the baby? |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 5:07:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if the wife has a job that "matters more" than the husband's job? shouldn't she be able to go back to work after a couple of weeks while the husband has paternity leave to take care of the baby? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Fuck,yourself you ain't sick Unless the mom or baby is sick, go,to work. Unless you have a job that doesn't matter much What if the wife has a job that "matters more" than the husband's job? shouldn't she be able to go back to work after a couple of weeks while the husband has paternity leave to take care of the baby? |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 5:16:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vacation fine Sick time. Fuck,yourself you ain't sick Unless the mom or baby is sick, go,to work. Unless you have a job that doesn't matter much Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Fuck,yourself you ain't sick Unless the mom or baby is sick, go,to work. Unless you have a job that doesn't matter much |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 5:20:19 PM EDT
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Meh, better than welfare
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Posted: 7/2/2015 5:22:12 PM EDT
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This applies to the USMC too. So....a 4 year enlistment. With 10.6% of it being paid for doing nothing. And 25% of it not being able to be on full duty. Wow. I would not have a problem with this if they got 6 weeks "free" then for every day after that their contract was extended. Otherwise that's a lot of wasted training. That's actually a pretty solid idea. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 5:35:46 PM EDT
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I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. You get 10 days free. 6 weeks straight?! I've never been in a command that would approve that. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:35:58 PM EDT
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This. I can see taking some time to help the old lady out while she is recovering but 6 weeks? Not unless she makes more than me and is working for 4 or 5 of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Fuck,yourself you ain't sick Unless the mom or baby is sick, go,to work. Unless you have a job that doesn't matter much Paternity leave in the .mil is 10 days. Anything more than that and you're using your regularly accrued leave/vacation time. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:40:39 PM EDT
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You get 10 days free. 6 weeks straight?! I've never been in a command that would approve that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. You get 10 days free. 6 weeks straight?! I've never been in a command that would approve that. I live in the regular world now. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:40:41 PM EDT
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Meh, better than welfare How is it any different? These twats get 4+ fucking months off every time they squeeze out a pup? Awesome. They also get no PT test for a year, light duty for months up to their delivery, and can't do their actual fucking job for one second of the time they are knocked up. Well if they are exposed to chemicals, loud noise, electrical circuits, etc. Their male counterpart doesn't get a fucking year off from doing his job for knocking his girlfriend up. Oh, and 70% of pregnancies in the Navy are "unplanned". Yeah, I bet they fucking are. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:41:45 PM EDT
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I am sure the guys and remaining gals in their workcenters appreciate picking up the load for twice as long.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:58:27 PM EDT
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Are young ladies offered/encouraged/provided-for-free the implantable birth control during every interaction with the medical folks?
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:01:02 PM EDT
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Can I get a sex change, join the navy, and then get pregnant?
I'll start immediately by eating lean crap, soy, and egg without yolk. 
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:04:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:06:08 PM EDT
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This applies to the USMC too. So....a 4 year enlistment. With 10.6% of it being paid for doing nothing. And 25% of it not being able to be on full duty. Wow. I would not have a problem with this if they got 6 weeks "free" then for every day after that their contract was extended. Otherwise that's a lot of wasted training. Not like it matters, any first term females who are the type to get knocked up are constantly on light duty and cant do shit anyway. Honestly 90% of females in the military are fucking worthless. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat Fuck yo couch. I took 3 months this year for my daughter and wish I'd had more. And I used mostly sick time  |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:08:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm torn. My cousin is a Naval officer and was required to go back to work at 30 days. A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. My wife was able to take 3 months paid leave both times because she is smart and saved her earned leave up. The .mil doesn't give that option. But then again, part of the package when you commit to contract with an organization. If you're a female and want kids then you need to make sure you understand the intricacies of what's required of you. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:09:35 PM EDT
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I don't have sympathy for these folks. You made a commitment to serve, not make babies. It's absolutely horrible for a command when you lose critical NEC's right before a deployment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm torn. My cousin is a Naval officer and was required to go back to work at 30 days. A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. My wife was able to take 3 months paid leave both times because she is smart and saved her earned leave up. The .mil doesn't give that option. But then again, part of the package when you commit to contract with an organization. If you're a female and want kids then you need to make sure you understand the intricacies of what's required of you. Convenient how often that shit happens. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:18:20 PM EDT
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I'm torn. My cousin is a Naval officer and was required to go back to work at 30 days. A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. My wife was able to take 3 months paid leave both times because she is smart and saved her earned leave up. The .mil doesn't give that option. But then again, part of the package when you commit to contract with an organization. If you're a female and want kids then you need to make sure you understand the intricacies of what's required of you. Actually the Navy has always given six weeks, and DOD allows servicemembers to carry up to 60 days of leave over the fiscal year boundary, so with some planning one could conceivably save up about 80 or so days of leave on the books and could do exactly what you say the mil doesn't give as an option. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:21:09 PM EDT
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I don't have sympathy for these folks. You made a commitment to serve, not make babies. It's absolutely horrible for a command when you lose critical NEC's right before a deployment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm torn. My cousin is a Naval officer and was required to go back to work at 30 days. A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. My wife was able to take 3 months paid leave both times because she is smart and saved her earned leave up. The .mil doesn't give that option. But then again, part of the package when you commit to contract with an organization. If you're a female and want kids then you need to make sure you understand the intricacies of what's required of you. I really haven't seen that happen -- but I've said many times anyone who gets pregnant while attached to a deploying command should simply be immediately separated. If you can't manage your personal life so you can do your job, it's time to go home. The numbers I've personally seen are very small, but those people don't belong in the Navy. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:24:11 PM EDT
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So...what does it cost for your average E-4 to sit on her ass at home for 4 1/2 months contributing nothing to the mission?.
About $15,000, ~$3300 per month (more for more senior people) About 17% of the Navy is female, ~51,000 About 10% of the females at any one time are pregnant, ~5100 |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:27:28 PM EDT
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So...what does it cost for your average E-4 to sit on her ass at home for 4 1/2 months contributing nothing to the mission?. About $15,000, ~$3300 per month (more for more senior people) About 17% of the Navy is female, ~51,000 About 10% of the females at any one time are pregnant, ~5100 Until the military is 50% women, we are going to lose all our wars. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:34:02 PM EDT
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Just curious, but does the Navy still plan to fight wars or is that too WhiteMalePatriarchialOppressor for them?
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:34:07 PM EDT
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This applies to the USMC too. So....a 4 year enlistment. With 10.6% of it being paid for doing nothing. And 25% of it not being able to be on full duty. Wow. I would not have a problem with this if they got 6 weeks "free" then for every day after that their contract was extended. Otherwise that's a lot of wasted training. No shit. That's fucking nuts, especially considering that navy fathers may not even get to be home for the birth of their children, much less get a bunch of paid time off after the birth.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:59:28 PM EDT
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I will go out on a very stout limb, and say that this is bad for our military readiness.
social issues totally aside. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:01:18 PM EDT
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This. I can see taking some time to help the old lady out while she is recovering but 6 weeks? Not unless she makes more than me and is working for 4 or 5 of them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Fuck,yourself you ain't sick Unless the mom or baby is sick, go,to work. Unless you have a job that doesn't matter much I didn't take off any time! Fuck that. She's the one who got pregnant. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 10:02:36 PM EDT
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Will this be applied to both partners with same sex marriages, 2 chicks or 2 dudes out for 18 weeks or is it just for the crotch fruit hatcher?
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Posted: 7/3/2015 4:28:31 AM EDT
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I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat I took 6 weeks. It's my fucking vacation I'm using. Shit. I took 12 weeks all 3 times. My hospital says I can if I want to. I had the time and used it. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 4:33:12 AM EDT
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I'm torn. My cousin is a Naval officer and was required to go back to work at 30 days. A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. My wife was able to take 3 months paid leave both times because she is smart and saved her earned leave up. The .mil doesn't give that option. But then again, part of the package when you commit to contract with an organization. If you're a female and want kids then you need to make sure you understand the intricacies of what's required of you. Wait, the military doesn't let you accrue leave days anymore? Since when? |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 6:32:43 AM EDT
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How much paternity leave? Some of the faggots at work take months off when their wife is the one with the ripped up twat 10 days |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 6:34:30 AM EDT
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Wait, the military doesn't let you accrue leave days anymore? Since when? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm torn. My cousin is a Naval officer and was required to go back to work at 30 days. A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. My wife was able to take 3 months paid leave both times because she is smart and saved her earned leave up. The .mil doesn't give that option. But then again, part of the package when you commit to contract with an organization. If you're a female and want kids then you need to make sure you understand the intricacies of what's required of you. Wait, the military doesn't let you accrue leave days anymore? Since when? You can accrue 60 days, so if you were to give birth near the end of a FY, you could have almost 90 days accrued. Of course now that they are giving you 4 1/2 free months, why burn leave?
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Posted: 7/3/2015 6:42:19 AM EDT
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I'm a Naval Officer in a field with many females, and several of them have had children. They were all given 6 weeks paid maternity leave, no personal leave included. Not sure why your cousin only got 30 days, it's been the navy's policy to give 6 weeks for a while. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm torn. My cousin is a Naval officer and was required to go back to work at 30 days. A 1 month old baby is not old enough to be child care at most commercial day cares. Plus I don't think they should anyway, that's too young. My wife was able to take 3 months paid leave both times because she is smart and saved her earned leave up. The .mil doesn't give that option. But then again, part of the package when you commit to contract with an organization. If you're a female and want kids then you need to make sure you understand the intricacies of what's required of you. I'm a Naval Officer in a field with many females, and several of them have had children. They were all given 6 weeks paid maternity leave, no personal leave included. Not sure why your cousin only got 30 days, it's been the navy's policy to give 6 weeks for a while. It was 6 weeks 26 years ago. The extra time is good for the newborn and it makes it easier for the mom to comply with the latest guidelines on breast feeding. The problem is that the SECNAV is supposedly doing this to improve retention, but increasing maternity leave won't do much in the designators and NECs where female retention is the worst. Bottom line is that once a woman becomes a mother, she doesn't want to deploy any more, even if she still wants to work outside the home. So, a female surface warfare officer, aviator, or a seagoing enlisted rating will look to either transfer to something with much lower deployment likelihood or get out anyway, regardless of whether her maternity leave is 6 weeks or 18 weeks. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:04:26 AM EDT
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Will this be applied to both partners with same sex marriages, 2 chicks or 2 dudes out for 18 weeks or is it just for the crotch fruit hatcher? Legit question. Only a matter of time before it comes up. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:06:48 AM EDT
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well, this will be a perfect fit for the new ladies assigned to submarines.
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:07:24 AM EDT
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Will this be applied to both partners with same sex marriages, 2 chicks or 2 dudes out for 18 weeks or is it just for the crotch fruit hatcher? Legit question. Only a matter of time before it comes up. Well, since you actually have to give birth to get the leave, I think most folks can figure it out... |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:08:41 AM EDT
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Are young ladies offered/encouraged/provided-for-free the implantable birth control during every interaction with the medical folks? Yes. Assuming their medical dept can support it. Smaller units often don't have a real provider, so they would have to go to a base or MTF somewhere to get that. Still, all contraceptive options are free. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:10:01 AM EDT
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If women want a military career, and kids, give them an unpaid sabbatical:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/03/vice-admiral-navy-should-expand-sabbatical-program.html If they want to have kids without a provider in their lives, fuck them, they can go join the FSA. I once knew a girl who had three kids during her four year enlistment, and finished a BS degree. Amazing success story right! Well sure, for her. Not so much for the AF since she never stepped a foot onto the flightline to do her actual job after the first positive pregnancy test. Plenty of welfare queens in the .mil and this policy will encourage even more of them. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:13:10 AM EDT
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Will this be applied to both partners with same sex marriages, 2 chicks or 2 dudes out for 18 weeks or is it just for the crotch fruit hatcher? Legit question. Only a matter of time before it comes up. Well, since you actually have to give birth to get the leave, I think most folks can figure it out... In this day and age thats an awful big assumption. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:14:32 AM EDT
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If women want a military career, and kids, give them an unpaid sabbatical: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/03/vice-admiral-navy-should-expand-sabbatical-program.html If they want to have kids without a provider in their lives, fuck them, they can go join the FSA. I once knew a girl who had three kids during her four year enlistment, and finished a BS degree. Amazing success story right! Well sure, for her. Not so much for the AF since she never stepped a foot onto the flightline to do her actual job after the first positive pregnancy test. Plenty of welfare queens in the .mil and this policy will encourage even more of them. Women in the military, no pros but a whole shit load of cons. Except diversity for the sake of diversity. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:15:51 AM EDT
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Will this be applied to both partners with same sex marriages, 2 chicks or 2 dudes out for 18 weeks or is it just for the crotch fruit hatcher? Legit question. Only a matter of time before it comes up. Well, since you actually have to give birth to get the leave, I think most folks can figure it out... In this day and age thats an awful big assumption. Good point. Can I adopt a baby and take 4+ months off to "bond" with it? |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:30:13 AM EDT
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Will this be applied to both partners with same sex marriages, 2 chicks or 2 dudes out for 18 weeks or is it just for the crotch fruit hatcher? Legit question. Only a matter of time before it comes up. Well, since you actually have to give birth to get the leave, I think most folks can figure it out... In this day and age thats an awful big assumption. It's not an assumption if you actually read. It extends the currently allotted 42 days of convalescent leave after giving birth. |
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Posted: 7/3/2015 7:37:02 AM EDT
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Will this be applied to both partners with same sex marriages, 2 chicks or 2 dudes out for 18 weeks or is it just for the crotch fruit hatcher? Legit question. Only a matter of time before it comes up. Well, since you actually have to give birth to get the leave, I think most folks can figure it out... In this day and age thats an awful big assumption. Good point. Can I adopt a baby and take 4+ months off to "bond" with it? Navy policy is 21 days of permissive TAD for any service member who adopts - only one member of a dual military couple is eligible for this TAD - and 4 months of no deployment for one of the parents. |
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