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Posted: 7/2/2015 2:08:39 AM EDT
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No shit. The motherfuckers are everywhere, and cause millions in Damage to vehicles and crops, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys actually breed deer? Yes my avatar is 3 year old breeder buck from 9 years ago. We artificially inseminate and live breed around 130 does a year. Interesting. The only "wildlife" that is really bred around here is pheasants for canned hunts. We've got enough deer.  No shit. The motherfuckers are everywhere, and cause millions in Damage to vehicles and crops, They are bred for trophies. Nothing else. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 2:09:35 AM EDT
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Don't know what SC has to do with your response just because I am from the state. Your hunts are manufactured and I don't care if they are on 10,000 acres. The same exact thing could be replicated here but for not having the massive areas of controlled land. Don't care that you do what y'all do but also have no sympathy if your 'herd' gets wiped out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't mind if the herds were wiped out where this kind of hunting goes on. I have guided many people from South Carolina that do not feel the same way as you. It is not at all a hunt like most people think the deer are not eating feed out of your hand or standing around waiting to be shot. They have the same instincts and awareness as deer anywhere else. These deer are not shot on 100 acre ''Preserves" like some places, ranches in Texas are in the thousands of acres. Don't know what SC has to do with your response just because I am from the state. Your hunts are manufactured and I don't care if they are on 10,000 acres. The same exact thing could be replicated here but for not having the massive areas of controlled land. Don't care that you do what y'all do but also have no sympathy if your 'herd' gets wiped out. Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. 
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Posted: 7/2/2015 2:12:21 AM EDT
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Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't mind if the herds were wiped out where this kind of hunting goes on. I have guided many people from South Carolina that do not feel the same way as you. It is not at all a hunt like most people think the deer are not eating feed out of your hand or standing around waiting to be shot. They have the same instincts and awareness as deer anywhere else. These deer are not shot on 100 acre ''Preserves" like some places, ranches in Texas are in the thousands of acres. Don't know what SC has to do with your response just because I am from the state. Your hunts are manufactured and I don't care if they are on 10,000 acres. The same exact thing could be replicated here but for not having the massive areas of controlled land. Don't care that you do what y'all do but also have no sympathy if your 'herd' gets wiped out. Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. Not if it's based on unnatural manipulation. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 2:13:15 AM EDT
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Last I heard, SOP for a deer that "might" have come from a cwd area was to shoot and bury the entire herd.
Anyone know if that's still the procedure? They have a positive, they're gonna be freaking out, they might destroy a dozen herds. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 2:18:30 AM EDT
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Last I heard, SOP for a deer that "might" have come from a cwd area was to shoot and bury the entire herd. Anyone know if that's still the procedure? They have a positive, they're gonna be freaking out, they might destroy a dozen herds. I think it is either kill the herd, or quarantine for 5 years. Eta, found this. http://www.cwd-info.org/pdf/TexasPlan.pdf 
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:57:35 AM EDT
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I have been dealing with Deer Breeders for years with this in our laboratory, amongst other issues ( primarily excessive protein in fawns).
its bad news. I knew sooner or later it would spread south. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 6:59:49 AM EDT
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Was he illegally importing bucks from up north? probably. from what I have seen many Deer Breeders aren't exactly on the up and up. years ago, one of the hunting mags wrote an excellent article on the issues Game Depts had ran into in dealing with the breeders and CWD. i'll look around at the Lab today and see if I can find it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:00:54 AM EDT
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Been found in MI this year too.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:20:36 AM EDT
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Not if it's based on unnatural manipulation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. Not if it's based on unnatural manipulation. Unless you raise every bit of your own food your extreme ignorance is showing. "Unnatural manipulation" causes grocery store shelves to be full--and you to eat with very little cost, and no effort. City boys . . . |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:26:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you raise every bit of your own food your extreme ignorance is showing. "Unnatural manipulation" causes grocery store shelves to be full--and you to eat with very little cost, and no effort. City boys . . . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: . Not if it's based on unnatural manipulation. Unless you raise every bit of your own food your extreme ignorance is showing. "Unnatural manipulation" causes grocery store shelves to be full--and you to eat with very little cost, and no effort. City boys . . . This thread is fascinating to me. I honestly had no idea there was a trophy deer breeding and hunting industry. If my father in law had known about it while he was still alive, I'm certain he would have done a trip. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:35:07 AM EDT
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Wouldn't mind if the herds were wiped out where this kind of hunting goes on. I have guided many people from South Carolina that do not feel the same way as you. It is not at all a hunt like most people think the deer are not eating feed out of your hand or standing around waiting to be shot. They have the same instincts and awareness as deer anywhere else. These deer are not shot on 100 acre ''Preserves" like some places, ranches in Texas are in the thousands of acres. Don't know what SC has to do with your response just because I am from the state. Your hunts are manufactured and I don't care if they are on 10,000 acres. The same exact thing could be replicated here but for not having the massive areas of controlled land. Don't care that you do what y'all do but also have no sympathy if your 'herd' gets wiped out. Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. Not if it's based on unnatural manipulation. Do you know why there are no select/choice/prime grades for pork like there are for beef? Because the FDA considers the porcine population to be so uniformly bred that there's no useful purpose in such classification. Kharn |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:39:04 AM EDT
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My dad works for the USDA and specializes in infections diseases. It's bad news.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:45:44 AM EDT
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Wouldn't mind if the herds were wiped out where this kind of hunting goes on. I have guided many people from South Carolina that do not feel the same way as you. It is not at all a hunt like most people think the deer are not eating feed out of your hand or standing around waiting to be shot. They have the same instincts and awareness as deer anywhere else. These deer are not shot on 100 acre ''Preserves" like some places, ranches in Texas are in the thousands of acres. Don't know what SC has to do with your response just because I am from the state. Your hunts are manufactured and I don't care if they are on 10,000 acres. The same exact thing could be replicated here but for not having the massive areas of controlled land. Don't care that you do what y'all do but also have no sympathy if your 'herd' gets wiped out. Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. Not if it's based on unnatural manipulation. Artificial manipulation occurs every hunting season when 99% of hunters try to shoot all the large antler bucks and leave the genetically poorer ones to breed with the does. Do you really think that is ''natural selection?" |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:46:52 AM EDT
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It is extremely unlikely that CWD can get to far in Texas outside of a breeder facility which have 8' fences and are typically on a ranch that has an 8' fence on the perimeter of the property. Yes we have to cull deer, bucks and does, to maintain a certain carrying capacity. Genetics are what we are breeding for. As I said my avatar is a 3 year old buck from 9 years ago, here is a picture of a 3 year old from 2 years ago. Genetics have made a big leap in the last ten years.http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo200/pirkle55/PJ%20Big%20Iron%20%203_zpsnkhwxwix.jpg in the North, the deer farmers illegally transported them after a positive was found on grounds and they told officials all the deer had escaped. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:51:39 AM EDT
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In Missouri we have CWD in several counties. We totally shut down the importation of out of state deer.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 7:58:47 AM EDT
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Profit motive at "canned hunt" ranches bit them. Sucks to suck. Hopefully it does not get into the wild.
As long as more people do not figure out that no racks look as good as yearlings eat, I am all good. :) |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 8:09:39 AM EDT
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It's still not known if CWD can be transferred to humans.. Enjoy that chili. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys actually breed deer? It's still not known if CWD can be transferred to humans.. Enjoy that chili. It must be transferable but I did not know that liberals ate that much deer meat.
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Posted: 7/2/2015 8:21:06 AM EDT
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Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't mind if the herds were wiped out where this kind of hunting goes on. I have guided many people from South Carolina that do not feel the same way as you. It is not at all a hunt like most people think the deer are not eating feed out of your hand or standing around waiting to be shot. They have the same instincts and awareness as deer anywhere else. These deer are not shot on 100 acre ''Preserves" like some places, ranches in Texas are in the thousands of acres. Don't know what SC has to do with your response just because I am from the state. Your hunts are manufactured and I don't care if they are on 10,000 acres. The same exact thing could be replicated here but for not having the massive areas of controlled land. Don't care that you do what y'all do but also have no sympathy if your 'herd' gets wiped out. Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. This thread is like a prickly pear cactus flat, you walk through it your going to get some pricks. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 8:29:38 AM EDT
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Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't mind if the herds were wiped out where this kind of hunting goes on. I have guided many people from South Carolina that do not feel the same way as you. It is not at all a hunt like most people think the deer are not eating feed out of your hand or standing around waiting to be shot. They have the same instincts and awareness as deer anywhere else. These deer are not shot on 100 acre ''Preserves" like some places, ranches in Texas are in the thousands of acres. Don't know what SC has to do with your response just because I am from the state. Your hunts are manufactured and I don't care if they are on 10,000 acres. The same exact thing could be replicated here but for not having the massive areas of controlled land. Don't care that you do what y'all do but also have no sympathy if your 'herd' gets wiped out. Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. If your "way of life" ie; farming infected deer, destroys the wild deer herd, I have not much sympathy for ya. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 9:11:00 AM EDT
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Good luck getting a 200" buck on the King Ranch, we get calls all the time from people that have been hunting on it looking for a big buck. $13,400 is what a 200" buck cost here and it is $250 more for every inch over 200". I am located across the highway from the King Ranch. This is why most of my hunting money is spent in Africa. For $13,400+ I can bag a truckload of plains game, pay to have it shipped home and the taxidermy work done. I've hunted Texas whitetail but wouldn't shoot the deer the ranch manager wanted me to shoot and he wouldn't let me shoot the one I wanted so I came home with nothing. |
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Posted: 7/2/2015 11:31:18 AM EDT
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I just read the CWD article by Linday Thomas Jr last night in the latest QDMA mag - very bad news. So far, according to the map shown above, TN is about as far away from any infected animals as we can get. I hope it stays that way. I think the county I live in has one of, if not the highest deer population in deer/sq mile of anywhere in the US, but I don't recall where I read that.
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Posted: 7/6/2015 9:30:28 AM EDT
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Good luck getting a 200" buck on the King Ranch, we get calls all the time from people that have been hunting on it looking for a big buck. $13,400 is what a 200" buck cost here and it is $250 more for every inch over 200". I am located across the highway from the King Ranch. lol I'd sooner pay for a non-resident license in another state infested with deer than $13k for the privilege of riding around in fenced in yard. To each their own, glad your business is booming. Amazes me that people pay that
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Posted: 7/6/2015 9:33:06 AM EDT
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Wouldn't mind if the herds were wiped out where this kind of hunting goes on. I have guided many people from South Carolina that do not feel the same way as you. It is not at all a hunt like most people think the deer are not eating feed out of your hand or standing around waiting to be shot. They have the same instincts and awareness as deer anywhere else. These deer are not shot on 100 acre ''Preserves" like some places, ranches in Texas are in the thousands of acres. Don't know what SC has to do with your response just because I am from the state. Your hunts are manufactured and I don't care if they are on 10,000 acres. The same exact thing could be replicated here but for not having the massive areas of controlled land. Don't care that you do what y'all do but also have no sympathy if your 'herd' gets wiped out. Very nice you are. So no sympathy if someone loses their job and way of life. Real nice. Not if it's based on unnatural manipulation. Humans are as natural as deer, are we not? Or are we artificial robots now? I call manipulation as natural as breathing the very air for we own the dominion over animals. That's not to say over nature, she can wipes us out at any moment and repopulate with all that natural beasties out there. It'd be foolish to have that much hubris. |
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Posted: 7/6/2015 9:36:48 AM EDT
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Breeding deer?
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Posted: 7/6/2015 9:48:27 AM EDT
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Interesting. Is it possible to test for CWD on a live critter or can it only be found post-mortem?
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Posted: 7/6/2015 9:53:41 AM EDT
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You guys actually breed deer? Yes my avatar is 3 year old breeder buck from 9 years ago. We artificially inseminate and live breed around 130 does a year. Interesting. The only "wildlife" that is really bred around here is pheasants for canned hunts. We've got enough deer. No shit. The motherfuckers are everywhere, and cause millions in Damage to vehicles and crops, They are bred for genetic reasons, not for population. Ranches have to cull deer if they have too many. Well, they got themselves a doozy now. 
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Posted: 7/6/2015 9:58:04 AM EDT
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You guys actually breed deer? Yep for decoration. Similar to shopping for a car, except they move around some. |
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Posted: 7/6/2015 9:59:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.lsonews.com/chronic-wasting-disease-found-medina-county-deer/ I heard about this from another deer breeder this morning but this is the first article I saw. I wonder what the ramifications will be from this for the whitetail breeder industry in Texas. If its anything like Ohio, the breeder's name is some variation of "Yoder". Those people have no regard for fish and game laws. No they are not named "Yoder" but its funny to see the Amish on a cell phone and showing pedigrees on an Ipad. CWD was found a few years ago in the wild deer herds in west Texas and practices were put into place. The infected animals most likely came from New Mexico. That's a safe bet. http://www.cwd-info.org/images/CWDmap.gif |
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Posted: 7/6/2015 10:01:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/6/2015 10:03:15 AM EDT
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lol I'd sooner pay for a non-resident license in another state infested with deer than $13k for the privilege of riding around in fenced in yard. To each their own, glad your business is booming. Amazes me that people pay that Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good luck getting a 200" buck on the King Ranch, we get calls all the time from people that have been hunting on it looking for a big buck. $13,400 is what a 200" buck cost here and it is $250 more for every inch over 200". I am located across the highway from the King Ranch. lol I'd sooner pay for a non-resident license in another state infested with deer than $13k for the privilege of riding around in fenced in yard. To each their own, glad your business is booming. Amazes me that people pay that This part of Texas is actually pretty dependent on deer hunting. Without the 'canned' hunting, I imagine the ranches around here would be even more torn up an littered (by all the illegal alien traffic) than they already are. Also, as pointed out, some of the ranches are measured more in square miles than acres. |
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Posted: 7/6/2015 10:04:19 AM EDT
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For what it's worth folks - not ALL hunting is done this way in Texas.
A bunch is, sure. Especially on the larger more well known ranches that cater to a more affluent crowd. It's surprising what can be done in 5 years by careful management of the existing genetics. Culling the undesirable males while letting the desirable males live (and breed) for another year. |
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Posted: 7/6/2015 10:13:39 AM EDT
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Good luck getting a 200" buck on the King Ranch, we get calls all the time from people that have been hunting on it looking for a big buck. $13,400 is what a 200" buck cost here and it is $250 more for every inch over 200". I am located across the highway from the King Ranch. I drive by the entrance to the King in Kingsville about every damned weekend on my way down to Premont course, it's kind of a big ranch, whereabouts are you? ETA: nevermind, already answered |
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Posted: 7/6/2015 10:14:15 AM EDT
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Genetics are a wonderful thing
Ok here is the problem. Some hunters like to shoot large deer with large racks - so that removes them from the genetic pool, then only inferior males breed. So at the base of it, culling inferior males and regulating the killing of supperior males is the start of breeding a better deer. In much of Texas, the first has turned the native population into some pretty pathetic animals. In other parts - high fences have gone up, and selective breading is producing some giants. (Then they go crazy with AI to do it more efficiently.) I can not shoot a deer at my ranch (300 acres). To counter the trend, the state put in minimum spread laws. I can see deer every hunt, but enough decades of abusing the genetics (by neighbors) and all I see is cantaloupe bucks. So I need to do a bit of range management just to harvest a deer (while dozens live on the property). That said, I can also apply for game management status so I can cull the bad genetics. |
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Posted: 7/6/2015 10:14:17 AM EDT
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It is extremely unlikely that CWD can get to far in Texas outside of a breeder facility which have 8' fences and are typically on a ranch that has an 8' fence on the perimeter of the property. Yes we have to cull deer, bucks and does, to maintain a certain carrying capacity. Genetics are what we are breeding for. As I said my avatar is a 3 year old buck from 9 years ago, here is a picture of a 3 year old from 2 years ago. Genetics have made a big leap in the last ten years.http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo200/pirkle55/PJ%20Big%20Iron%20%203_zpsnkhwxwix.jpg WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THAT THING!!! Sorry OP, I don't really think you've got some some Dr. Moreau operation going on, but it still scared the shit out of me
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Posted: 7/6/2015 10:16:19 AM EDT
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I have guided many people from South Carolina that do not feel the same way as you. It is not at all a hunt like most people think the deer are not eating feed out of your hand or standing around waiting to be shot. They have the same instincts and awareness as deer anywhere else. These deer are not shot on 100 acre ''Preserves" like some places, ranches in Texas are in the thousands of acres. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't mind if the herds were wiped out where this kind of hunting goes on. I have guided many people from South Carolina that do not feel the same way as you. It is not at all a hunt like most people think the deer are not eating feed out of your hand or standing around waiting to be shot. They have the same instincts and awareness as deer anywhere else. These deer are not shot on 100 acre ''Preserves" like some places, ranches in Texas are in the thousands of acres. That's the question: at what acreage does the presence of a "high fence" become irrelevant, given the roaming distances of unconfined bucks during the rut? One square mile is equal to 640 acres. So far so good here in east Tennessee. The closest outbreak is in the northernmost tip of Virgina, about three hundred miles away. We figure it'll eventually get here, though |
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