They're playing our State Fair in August.

 
But the laws represented a majority, not the entirety. If freedom had been allowed to reign, as culture shifted (and it was beginning to long before the Civil Rights Act), the market might have been allowed to work, at least in part. As it was, the market was choked by bigotry, which is different than an individual business owner saying "No blacks" or "No gays". For a truly free market, that kind of choice immediately begs another to come in and display tolerance and an open door for everyone. Freedom, and a nice smile, usually win given enough time.


 

The status quo is a powerful force, but it's not unshakeable. And, all it takes are some brave and honest people to show there's a better way. I can recount so many instances of that throughout our nation's history that came from a person acting, not a government dictating.

There are a few legitimate gays in Grainger County, too.  Some are just acting the part for attention, usually the young "confused" ones.  (Think that movie about being in the "friend zone")

Put a confederate flag in the window and he will put them out of business.

Was I not clear?

Everyone seems to be jumping on the "his business his rules " bandwagon. Cheering when someone posts a sign like this, or clapping at the notion of a parking lot full of confederate flags.

And that's all well and good, if in fact that's what people were reacting to, simple freedom of speech.

But there are a lot of people that are doing these things for other reasons than free speech.  They are playing out the stereotype that things like the Confederate flag, refusing to do business with gays, basically being what the media wants republicans to be.

This might be a lot of fun right now but I guarantee you this is going to come back during the next campaign.

Is the fuck blue enough for you now? Or do I need to do an MS paint.

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This. I have been trying to come up with a way to make money of the wave of gayness sweeping the nation. And everyone knows gays are all rich.

I am not sure on the point you are trying to make. Segregation laws were bad for multiple reasons. Certainly if there were no segregation laws, some establishments may have been open to being more inclusive. Many though would continue to segregate, probably to this day if allowed.

I see segregation laws as taking away rights and privileges, where as anti-discrimination law adds rights and privileges. Two different types of laws. I know some people see it as taking away the rights of the business owner. But if you look at it from the flip side, it is giving rights to the millions of customers.

I agree the free market in general works, but it also can't run with no rules or laws what-so-ever.

Fuck that redneck peckerwood hillbilly jerkoff. And he's already changed the sign




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Getting sick of people hiding behind religion to give themselves a reason to worry about what other people do, that has no effect on them whatsoever.

Note that nowhere on the sign does it say "gays" or "homosexuals". Not eve a "rug muncher" or a "butt pirate".

Not really, no. Your  comment calling it my moment is laughable at best. If he doesn't want you in there, he sure the fuck doesn't want me in there.

I'm not jumping on any "band wagon", I've held a libratarian viewpoint for a long, long time and I would have said the same thing if his sign sad "No Transgenderd welcome" (and I would have walked away and left it at that) or "No Montanans allowed" (and i would have walked away and left it at that). That's also why I said it won't work out for him.

Lol, no. Businesses with very very few exceptions supported Jim Crow laws. The industrialization and urbanization of the south was not effective in fostering social change.

Before the Civil Rights Act many businesses had the opportunity to voluntarily desegregate without big bad government bothering them, they overwhelmingly chose segregation. Most feared that serving blacks would result in losing more business than they would gain and they were right. The market didn't like black people. It was the correct economic decision. Blacks were cut off economically and the market was cool with that and wanted it to stay that way. People re-write their history after they lose to make themselves look like the good guys.

It's like democracy, it works in a perfect theoretical world, unfortunately it can also be a pack of wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

So he's ok with gays if the don't violate his 1st amendment rights (which they could only do if they were acting on behalf of the government)? Way to stand firm in your beliefs, homie

Before Lincoln? Who said anything about Lincoln? You are the one who said pre-1860's American society "worked fine".

If by "worked fine" you mean that only a select few actually had rights that the Constitution actually protected, then sure, I guess it worked fine.

We had an America like that just 50 years ago. And yes, it sucked. Who the hell wants to live in a society where you walk through downtown and see signs on every business that say "No blacks", "No whites", "No gays"?

Why did states adopt laws to end business discrimination to the public? Because it sucked. Things happen for a reason...

Any reply would be met with more bullshit rhetoric. You can lead a horse to water...................... Being attracted to the same sex is a choice, and it is not built into your DNA. Until it is scientifically proven without a doubt that a Homosexual person has a different genetic structure than that of a heterosexual person the argument is moot.



 

While the may be a genetic link, personality and sexuality traits are hardwired at birth or extremely early on. You can see personality traits in kids at a very young age. It isn't something you chose. You must not know any gay people. If you grew up with someone who ended up gay, you knew they were different WAY before puberty. Before they even knew what gay was.

There are gay people who literally killed themselves wanting to be straight. Why would the CHOOSE to be something constantly pissed on, and in some places, killed for?

Wake up to the facts. You will look like less of a fool.

And again, there are certain cultures in the past (and present) where it IS a choice of straight men having gay sex for fun. That is different than someone who has a same sex attraction who can't help who they are attracted to.

Sexual attraction isn't either/or for everyone. There are people who have varying amounts of attraction to either sex. I honestly feel those who feel so strongly it is a choice are bisexual and since they don't act on their same sex attraction they assume all gays are like that as well.

Then again there are people look at the literal mountain of evidence for evolution and scoff at it. For some people, thinking and coming up with rational, well thought out conclusions just isn't their thing.

Never attempt to teach a pig to sing...

I am sorry; I am having some difficultly here.   Perhaps you can help me.   What, exactly, makes a person "gay"?  


Is it the desire to have sex with a person of the same sex that makes a person "gay"?
Is it the action (having sexual intercourse) with a person of the same sex that makes a person "gay"?
Is it the desire to love a person of the same sex that makes a person "gay"?

Is it a combination of these or something else?

Please be specific.

Yeah because the gas pump credit card machine is going to have a gay detector on it and deny the credit card.

There is no hard, scientific definition of "gay". It is slang. It is used to mean different things by different people. A homosexual is one who is ATTRACTED to someone of the same sex. When I say gay sex, it is two people of the same gender having sex, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily homosexual.

People in prison or the middle east who have gay sex don't consider themselves homosexuals (or gay). In the past, many cultures had rampant gay sex between two straight men. The Greeks and Romans are two noted examples and their actions took place during the time of Christ. People were just as horny then as they are now. But back then there was little to no methods of birth control, certainly not to the degree of accuracy we enjoy today. So people got each other off. They weren't attracted to men (or boys) per se, but in the dark a hole is a hole. The social stigma wasn't there to keep it in check and the sin of lust was rampant. So yes, there are people who have gay sex as a choice just to get off.

But actual homosexuals, those who are attracted to only people of their own sex, it isn't a choice - just as heterosexuals (those attracted to the opposite sex) don't have a choice who they are attracted to. Homosexuals may still make a choice to dip in the heterosexual pool and have sex with women. In the past homosexuals might even marry and have kids, but have male lovers on the side.

And again, there are bisexuals, who have a varying degree of attraction to both sexes. The world is a varied and complex place.

Does that answer your questions?

Good for him. It is his right to do what he is doing.

Taking a stand and putting your livelihood on the line over your beliefs is a respectable thing.

Unless he's hoping for a kickstarter payout.

ETA: Oh, he changed the sign. He's just a pussy.

You say it's a choice - you should be able to tell us when you made the choice.  It's not a trick question.

BS rhetoric appropriately describes your reply.

I bet he is fucking a young boy and is just doing a projection of sorts.

 

when did you make the choice ?

This one sentence should be a good starting position.

Now, what do you mean by attracted?   Do you mean sexual attraction or attraction in general?

I know quite a few homosexual males who are attracted to females (not sexually) because they enjoy their company.

I know quite a few heterosexual males who are attracted to males (not sexually) because they enjoy their company.

So, you must be referring to sexual attraction, correct?



So people are born one of at least three ways:

(1)  Attracted to members of the opposite sex
(2)  Attracted to members of the same sex
(3)  Attracted to members of both the same or opposite sex

Correct?

Is this subject to change, revision, alteration or is “It is what it is” due to hard wiring and what not from birth?

by that logic.
this means all of the pro gay agenda people are already sucking dick ?

Homosexual and Heterosexual refer to SEXUAL attraction. Of course people can be attracted to other people on other levels.

Sexuality seems to be hard wired very early, similar to your personality. Efforts from "praying away the gay" and therapy have proved unfruitful. While gays are for the most part accepted, it wasn't that long ago where they were not. In the 50s it was still illegal under "buggery" laws to have gay sex in the UK.  People where more likely to hide their sexuality and people literally killed themselves over it.

Again, all the evidence points to ones sexuality being hard wired, just as you or I never made a decision to be straight, others never made a choice to be gay.

Alcoholics should now claim discrimination for their deviant behavior.

After all they were born that way and have no choice.

Pandora's box for deviants has been opened.

 
They should just repress their sexuality and join the church, like the good old days.


Make them mental patients and criminals (or I guess priests), instead of live and let live.


I wanna live in your Utopia.

Go to the local truck stop, I'm sure they can make "arrangements."

Gays attack two preachers.

Looks like you out-outraged him. Congrats on your win.

how would anyone know?

I dont go to a restaurant and discuss how much I like vagina with strangers,most of the time





 

dont take it so personal people have differing opinions on homosexuality,you clearly have yours as does he.I dont think he is hiding behind anything.



 

Good.  

We’ve locked down the fact that homosexuals are defined as people who have a sexual attraction for other people of the same sex.

Does this apply to ALL sexual attraction within people?  By that I mean do the sexual attractions and the sexual predispositions people enjoy all originate in this fashion (hardwired from a young age)?



Is it possible any of that behavior could be influenced by external factors in their lives?

It is not uncommon for people to fundamentally change some aspect of their lives due to some sudden or traumatic event or circumstance in their lives.

An example of such a thing would be a woman who is traumatized from rape who cannot stand to be around men or to have sex with men.  She was not born this way but her brain is now hard wired into this mode and it took a horrific act of trauma to bring it about.  Of course not all women (or people) who are raped respond in this way but it does happen.

This is not to suppose or imply that homosexuals are made that way due to events in their lives; I am merely pointing out that people do indeed experience drastic changes in their lives.



There are many people who kill themselves and, as far as I am concerned, every one of them is a tragic loss.   With that said, we are talking about homosexuals and not the act of buggery.

We have already established that a person can be a homosexual without engaging in sexual congress and you have already provided ample evidence that people do engage in “gay sex” without actually being homosexuals themselves (for a variety of reasons).

But think how much better he will feel when can blame the gays for his business failing?

Quality time in E. Tennessee? Oh come now.

Maybe he read the posts and news articles for content?

and moonshiners, and those who drink moonshine, or taxed spirits? or gamble, or dance on Friday nights, or have sex with anybody not their spouse?  He's going to run out of customers before he runs out of reasons for not serving them.  He needs to post a sign on whaich sinners are allowed.

Courage of his convictions?  or a frantic phone call from the family attorney?

So you didn't call anybody an asshole when you saw the article about the WalMart CEO talking about removing semi-autos from their stores?  He apparently believes in that?

Gay thieves or Straight thieves?  You need to pay better attention to what the thread is really about.  In any case, we have a fair idea on his stance on Tax Collectors.

They got Blue Laws there?  Those tend to violate Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion.  If I'm not a dry Baptist, why can't I be open on Sundays or sell booze on Sundays?

You've been under that rock for a long time, haven't you?

I knew my sexual leanings before I was 10, and "raising me to not be gay" just persuaded me to bury and deny my desires. I wanted to be normal, and accepted by my parents and peers.

So I went from homosexual experiences before I could drive, to heterosexual experiences the minute I got my driver's permit. Couldn't have the whole school thinking I didn't want to sex up the girls! Furthermore, I knew I would be outed eventually, and I could not sit down and tell my Father I was gay. The shame would have been huge, I was afraid he would reject me permanently, and it would affect his business as well as the other members of my family. All homosexual activity stopped, except in my imagination.

The girls I dated were not impressed. Why should they have been? I didn't like tits, and I never wanted to fuck one badly enough to bring a condom. So we would make out and have oral sex. I could do that. I floundered along until I got married.

My first wife divorced me after our sex life crashed and burned.
I've been married to my second wife for 30 years. Until this Spring, we went ten years with no sex, because it slowly turned into a trainwreck I could not deal with.

I don't know if that makes me gay, or bisexual, but I didn't choose one of the three options.
Well, I chose to indulge in heterosexual sex rather than indulge my desires.
We're having great sex at the moment, but I don't think you want to hear what I am thinking about while we make love.

I was a cub scout, a boy scout, went hunting and fishing with my Dad.
He was a manly man with three boys and a girl to raise. He taught me how to clean fish and rabbits and squirrels. He did "all the right things".

My path was set before he made a man of me. It was set before he helped me make an entry for the Pinewood Derby.

You can provide an example to follow.
You can encourage behavior that is acceptable to you or society.
You cannot force a child to be straight. You can force them to act straight, if they are willing to capitulate.

I'm not sure if I regret my choices or not. Everybody thinks I'm "normal".
It has been confusing as hell, embarrassing, and frustrating. Not mentally healthy.

But I'm straight. Had to fit in. Now I'm 59 and my wife is 63. we have two sons and four grandkids. I'm happy about that, but I have been denying my base, true sexual desires since I was a teenager. It's not any different than a hetero dude that spent his whole life having sex with other men and fantasizing about being with a woman, in order to fit into a society that demanded he follow "the norm".

You'll still have Obama in office and a GOP-controlled legislature.  Not likely.

How the hell is he going to know?

So say two friends who are male are working on a project and go to his shop to buy parts, say plumbing supplies...

Is he going to kick them out because it's two guys together?

What if they're actually gay but don't act affectionate to each other?

How will he know?

Stupid sign is stupid, regardless of "his store his rules".

So a popular, I'm so hip I support gay marriage world view trumps a biblical world view?  It's no wonder Canada buys milk in bags.

Quit foisting Christ on this nonsense.