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For you so called financial experts that are predicting the death of the dollar why do you even bother saving and investing? Hell you guys are experts and should trust yourself enough to just blow it all and live it up, it seems like you don't believe your magic 8 ball to be fully accurate View Quote Risk provides opportunity. |
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Nothing is 100% accurate. Ever. Risk provides opportunity. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For you so called financial experts that are predicting the death of the dollar why do you even bother saving and investing? Hell you guys are experts and should trust yourself enough to just blow it all and live it up, it seems like you don't believe your magic 8 ball to be fully accurate Risk provides opportunity. |
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For you so called financial experts that are predicting the death of the dollar why do you even bother saving and investing? Hell you guys are experts and should trust yourself enough to just blow it all and live it up, it seems like you don't believe your magic 8 ball to be fully accurate Risk provides opportunity. |
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lol...at least we have the long end of the time line figured out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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https://media.giphy.com/media/rl0FOxdz7CcxO/giphy.gif Debt and deficits are going to explode in the next 30 years, CBO says Looks like the CBO are agreeing with @Rhino_hunter and @exponentialpi |
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https://media.giphy.com/media/rl0FOxdz7CcxO/giphy.gif Debt and deficits are going to explode in the next 30 years, CBO says Looks like the CBO are agreeing with @Rhino_hunter and @exponentialpi |
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Nothing is 100% accurate. Ever. Risk provides opportunity. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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For you so called financial experts that are predicting the death of the dollar why do you even bother saving and investing? Hell you guys are experts and should trust yourself enough to just blow it all and live it up, it seems like you don't believe your magic 8 ball to be fully accurate Risk provides opportunity. The dollar is a currency, subject to "currency risk" just like every other currency. Just because governments are idiots and take sledgehammers to their currencies, and by extension economy and social fabric, does not mean the only solution is to not invest. The investment world is simply too used to the US, EU, and Japan having valuable currencies. The difference between these first world countries and third world countries with crappy currencies, is that the first world had a bunch of wealth to squander through their printing presses in the first place, when the third world didn't. So in short, the investment world hasn't figured out yet that some of these first world countries and third-world countries are not all that dissimilar with regards to their financial situation. One just looks better because it could run up debt and pretend it isn't real. The world will always run on capital investment. If the US has to go through a Greater Depression to fix itself, people are better off investing in countries that are not debt-exploding first world, or corrupt and destitute third-world. The only way that not investing is the answer is if we literally have a world ending event, such as an asteroid that would wipe us out in short order. Beyond that, life goes on, and people need capital to create prosperity. ETA: If someone just had to invest in the US, they could create a strategy for that, too. It's just not as good as getting away from the US, and its currency, in general. Think about what would happen during a Great Depression in the US. Go simple: water, food, basic housing, car repair DIY and auto shops (less new cars), batters, stay away from nearly all luxuries, cheap food, stay away from restaurants, security doors and windows, home repair (few new homes), alarm systems, security camera systems, stay away from "service economy" jobs where people can DIY instead, double down on US companies that sell to foreigners. Investing is supposed to be fun to think about. Non-financial people sometimes know more than they think they do about economics. Usually more than the PhDs, at least. |
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... Non-financial people sometimes know more than they think they do about economics. Usually more than the PhDs, at least. View Quote The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! |
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! View Quote |
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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... Non-financial people sometimes know more than they think they do about economics. Usually more than the PhDs, at least. The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! |
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! View Quote |
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... Non-financial people sometimes know more than they think they do about economics. Usually more than the PhDs, at least. The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! |
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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... Non-financial people sometimes know more than they think they do about economics. Usually more than the PhDs, at least. The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! |
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! 2. I suspect DkProf isn't struggling to make ends meet Not being a cookoobird doomer and being rich are two different things anyway. |
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1. Define rich 2. I suspect DkProf isn't struggling to make ends meet View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! 2. I suspect DkProf isn't struggling to make ends meet |
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His wife purchased a new Porsche, I would say they are rich View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! 2. I suspect DkProf isn't struggling to make ends meet |
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! View Quote "seeeeee!! I told you it wouldn't happen!!!!!" And really, simple math is all one must grasp to understand the basis for concern. Doubled the national debt in 10 years. Credit creation out of thin air to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars world wide. National banks playing pass the bong with liquidity as a means of stress testing. National liabilities that again simple mathematics tell us grossly exceed even the most optimistic growth models by many billions of dollars annually. The gross expansion of money supply, while velocity slows to a trickle.... think of the consequences of all that stored potential should the Federal Reserve not act timely and adequately.... I'm sure they'll do a splendid job of it! LOL! Eta: and to be fair, that's just scratching the surface. |
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How about that monthly treasury report?
MTS Maybe the good professor will be along to discuss the issue. Since I am a doomer and think I am smarter than I actually am... |
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What's pathetic is that the Federal Reserve has taken unprecedented steps to avoid an otherwise guaranteed scenario, and the Pollyanna's of the world jump up and down screaming "seeeeee!! I told you it wouldn't happen!!!!!" And really, simple math is all one must grasp to understand the basis for concern. Doubled the national debt in 10 years. Credit creation out of thin air to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars world wide. National banks playing pass the bong with liquidity as a means of stress testing. National liabilities that again simple mathematics tell us grossly exceed even the most optimistic growth models by many billions of dollars annually. The gross expansion of money supply, while velocity slows to a trickle.... think of the consequences of all that stored potential should the Federal Reserve not act timely and adequately.... I'm sure they'll do a splendid job of it! LOL! Eta: and to be fair, that's just scratching the surface. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! "seeeeee!! I told you it wouldn't happen!!!!!" And really, simple math is all one must grasp to understand the basis for concern. Doubled the national debt in 10 years. Credit creation out of thin air to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars world wide. National banks playing pass the bong with liquidity as a means of stress testing. National liabilities that again simple mathematics tell us grossly exceed even the most optimistic growth models by many billions of dollars annually. The gross expansion of money supply, while velocity slows to a trickle.... think of the consequences of all that stored potential should the Federal Reserve not act timely and adequately.... I'm sure they'll do a splendid job of it! LOL! Eta: and to be fair, that's just scratching the surface. Matt Bracken, of all people, hit the nail on the head between that and the Austrian School: The twentieth-century Austrian School economist Ludwig Von Mises wrote, “There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.” In contrast, when the socialist economist John Maynard Keynes was asked if his self-styled Keynesian credit expansion could continue in the long run, he replied, “In the long run, we are all dead.” Tra-la-la, who cares? It won’t be my problem.
In 2015, the childless homosexual John Maynard Keynes is indeed long dead, but we are still alive, and his “long run” is finally upon us. Now, just before the bank failures begin, seems to be an opportune time for the traitor elites to throw over the table, scattering the cards, chips and cash, while the lights go dark and shots ring out. The evil actors lurking in the background who sometimes engineer major catastrophes always have a plan to escape their worst consequences, including taking any blame, and they even have a plan to profit from the very disasters they created. The first Baron Rothschild, around the time of the Battle of Waterloo, is credited with saying “The time to buy is when there is blood running in the streets.” |
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95% of our economic thought "leaders" follow the "Keynesian" school of thought. Matt Bracken, of all people, hit the nail on the head between that and the Austrian School: The American people might not know the fine mechanics of their failing financial system, but they can feel that they are being sold out. The economic thought "leaders" are not without culpability. View Quote |
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95% of our economic thought "leaders" follow the "Keynesian" school of thought. Matt Bracken, of all people, hit the nail on the head between that and the Austrian School: The American people might not know the fine mechanics of their failing financial system, but they can feel that they are being sold out. The economic thought "leaders" are not without culpability. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! "seeeeee!! I told you it wouldn't happen!!!!!" And really, simple math is all one must grasp to understand the basis for concern. Doubled the national debt in 10 years. Credit creation out of thin air to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars world wide. National banks playing pass the bong with liquidity as a means of stress testing. National liabilities that again simple mathematics tell us grossly exceed even the most optimistic growth models by many billions of dollars annually. The gross expansion of money supply, while velocity slows to a trickle.... think of the consequences of all that stored potential should the Federal Reserve not act timely and adequately.... I'm sure they'll do a splendid job of it! LOL! Eta: and to be fair, that's just scratching the surface. Matt Bracken, of all people, hit the nail on the head between that and the Austrian School: The twentieth-century Austrian School economist Ludwig Von Mises wrote, “There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as the result of voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.” In contrast, when the socialist economist John Maynard Keynes was asked if his self-styled Keynesian credit expansion could continue in the long run, he replied, “In the long run, we are all dead.” Tra-la-la, who cares? It won’t be my problem.
In 2015, the childless homosexual John Maynard Keynes is indeed long dead, but we are still alive, and his “long run” is finally upon us. Now, just before the bank failures begin, seems to be an opportune time for the traitor elites to throw over the table, scattering the cards, chips and cash, while the lights go dark and shots ring out. The evil actors lurking in the background who sometimes engineer major catastrophes always have a plan to escape their worst consequences, including taking any blame, and they even have a plan to profit from the very disasters they created. The first Baron Rothschild, around the time of the Battle of Waterloo, is credited with saying “The time to buy is when there is blood running in the streets.” Brutally, publicly, mercilessly. |
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So continue to make money, or sell everything, buy gold, and bury it in the backyard? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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95% of our economic thought "leaders" follow the "Keynesian" school of thought. Matt Bracken, of all people, hit the nail on the head between that and the Austrian School: The American people might not know the fine mechanics of their failing financial system, but they can feel that they are being sold out. The economic thought "leaders" are not without culpability. Better if people invest outside the US. Australia didn't feel a thing in 2008. If they don't have the skills to figure it out themselves, hire a financial advisor at a brokerage firm that understands the big picture, and invests accordingly. |
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The S&P 500 failed to breach 2400 for the 2nd time.
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Since the good professor has seen not to respond to my earlier post, check treasury revenues. The downtrend started awhile ago. The general public just wants to ignore it for now... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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lol The funniest things in these sort of threads are inevitably the people who think they are way smarter than they really are, and pretend to be experts on things they barely understand. The Doomer thread (which seems to have finally lost steam - after almost a decade of people confidently claiming that the collapse is right around the corner) was FULL of that kind of stuff. People who watched a few YouTube videos or read an article from ZeroHedge would proudly lecture people about "The Austrian School" and "fiat currency" the "Baltic Dry Index" and confidently make grand predictions, based on their own perceived expertise. It is as funny as it is tragically pathetic. Exactly the same phenomenon as some fat kid that plays flight sims lecturing actually military fighter pilots about flying (which I've seen on arfcom as well). The Internet is awesome! View Quote But it's far less impactful in the day to day lives of the unwashed and un-learned masses than the group think and confirmation bias that plagues, to the very core, most of academia and the entirety of our politocrat, oligarchical, D.C. overlords (and their sycophantic devotees). So go ahead, look down your nose at the armchair experts, many of which can see the forest from the trees to a far greater degree than the so called "experts" because we at least are free to disagree and converse in the arena of ideas, not just nod our heads in agreement to appease the current populist agenda, only to later scream "but who could have seen that coming" after yet another long inflated bubble bursts or some other easily foreseen disaster strikes. LOL. |
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Sorry, I'm into stock trading and this is the first time I'm reading this thread. Which Monday is it supposed to be?
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Same chart style, going back to 1/1/1983. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/200878/MTS-Revenue-196096.JPG View Quote |
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Is that data accessible anywhere for free? I can't find it on FRED. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Same chart style, going back to 1/1/1983. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/200878/MTS-Revenue-196096.JPG ETA: It was this post. Quoted:
How about that monthly treasury report? MTS Maybe the good professor will be along to discuss the issue. Since I am a doomer and think I am smarter than I actually am... |
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Same chart style, going back to 1/1/1983. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/200878/MTS-Revenue-196096.JPG View Quote I still think we run out of gas closer to 2020. Also that chart, that's just the revenue from the sale of the bonds correct? |
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according to that chart the market should be tanking by now, but it isn;t yet. I still think we run out of gas closer to 2020. Also that chart, that's just the revenue from the sale of the bonds correct? View Quote But did read recently that... Capitalism --"Separates the Smart from the Poor..." |
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No idea... But did read recently that... Capitalism --"Separates the Smart from the Poor..." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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according to that chart the market should be tanking by now, but it isn;t yet. I still think we run out of gas closer to 2020. Also that chart, that's just the revenue from the sale of the bonds correct? But did read recently that... Capitalism --"Separates the Smart from the Poor..." |
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according to that chart the market should be tanking by now, but it isn;t yet. I still think we run out of gas closer to 2020. Also that chart, that's just the revenue from the sale of the bonds correct? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Same chart style, going back to 1/1/1983. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/200878/MTS-Revenue-196096.JPG I still think we run out of gas closer to 2020. Also that chart, that's just the revenue from the sale of the bonds correct? The graph is receipts, not revenue. My bad, I am a private sector desk jockey. As for what constitutes receipts, its taxes. Attached File |
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The government is going to run of gas a lot faster than that. Market is dislocating from things. The graph is receipts, not revenue. My bad, I am a private sector desk jockey. As for what constitutes receipts, its taxes. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/200878/IMG-3823-196448.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Same chart style, going back to 1/1/1983. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/200878/MTS-Revenue-196096.JPG I still think we run out of gas closer to 2020. Also that chart, that's just the revenue from the sale of the bonds correct? The graph is receipts, not revenue. My bad, I am a private sector desk jockey. As for what constitutes receipts, its taxes. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/200878/IMG-3823-196448.JPG No surprise they are targeting the offshore $$ held by big corps with an "advantageous amnesty rate" to get another temporary lifeline. Amazing how they always find a way. Always the most politically expedient thing until they run out of rope completely. |
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They say without finding more money, .gov funding stops around Sept. No surprise they are targeting the offshore $ held by big corps with an "advantageous amnesty rate" to get another temporary lifeline. Amazing how they always find a way. Always the most politically expedient thing until they run out of rope completely. View Quote |
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