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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:02:15 PM EDT
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The mitigation aspect is nice, but the tree huggers have been trying to shut down the land for some time. Gold Butte is about a 65 minute drive from any paved road. The idea is that people would need to hike into the area, if they ever wanted to see it. Hunting and cattle were the two arguments stopping the isolation and redesignation of this land. BLM has gradually restricted access throughout the state. The biggest was during Clinton. Now, we see more "nature" areas being designated. Each Dem has created an expansion of restrictions. The biggest proponents of removing Bundy and creating it a wilderness area are not from this state. Those writing the articles have never even been to Gold Butte. Devils throat and Devils garden are merely arguments for making it a wilderness area. The solar idea goes to the Reid family and their connections to the investments. The area was not set for offsetting the impact of solar, but the solar project could be used as an argument to support the restrictions. The Reids have plenty of land on the Arizona side of the Colorado River too. The other two solar farms have not been as successful as predicted. Ivanpah has an expected positive return at 80 years. The Boulder City farm is at 55 years. Both of these still rely on tax waivers to operate. They were built on dry lake beds or land close to. The land swapping does not make sense, since they are using federal land and not requiring an exchange of private land. That is what BLM requires from others that try land swaps. The mitigation land is not doing anything more than creating another argument to remove people from accessing land. Good info and thank you for sharing it..bottom line for me, his ancestors did what was required back then to show ownership, and should by possession have legal ownership of that land..if not, they should have undisputed free use of it for as long as they raise cattle..that is their right for years of possession and improvement... rule of law matters, and by the rules that were in place at the time of initial posession they fulfilled those, it is wrong for the gov to come along all these years later and change the rules....just isn't moral or ethical... |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 6:13:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The beltway criminals do the bidding of the huge Ag multinationals that butter their bread. As a small independent farmer/rancher they don't want you saving your seeds for next years crop or using gov land for grazing. The handwriting is on the wall. If you are a small farmer/rancher or manufacturer you are competing with the big boys running the show and your days are numbered. No. You are free to plant open pollinated varieties and plant carry over for years to come. This generally isn't done because commercial varieties are far superior, regardless of whether a variety is a GMO or not. Seed companies have spend decades breeding the best varieties possible. Why plant a variety that hasn't been refined since 1960? Numerous small farms are doing just fine, whatever your definition of "small" may be. A lack of interest from younger generations is what plagues agriculture, not Big Ag. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:03:18 PM EDT
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They wouldn't accept it. He only owes 45k in fees. The rest are fines and interest, which makes it over a million dollars. They wouldn't accept payment until the cattle were removed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe he could have paid at least sone of the fees, instead of spending two decades weaseling his way around and spouting sovereign citizen mumbo jumbo in hopes of continuing to leach off the land. "But he improved it!" He built irrigation and infrastructure to support his cattle, which isn't proper land stewardship. Overgrazing can have devastating effects, and overgrazing was a cause of the dust bowl. Left unchecked, the cows will continue to overgraze areas and spread out causing significant problems. They wouldn't accept it. He only owes 45k in fees. The rest are fines and interest, which makes it over a million dollars. They wouldn't accept payment until the cattle were removed. He made no attempt to pay it. He tried to pay clark county, which cannot accept fees that are by law to go to the BLM. He's playing "the state owns the land" stupidity. 45k in fees, for 20 years, and he refused to pay it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 7:12:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He made no attempt to pay it. He tried to pay clark county, which cannot accept fees that are by law to go to the BLM. He's playing "the state owns the land" stupidity. 45k in fees, for 20 years, and he refused to pay it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Maybe he could have paid at least sone of the fees, instead of spending two decades weaseling his way around and spouting sovereign citizen mumbo jumbo in hopes of continuing to leach off the land. "But he improved it!" He built irrigation and infrastructure to support his cattle, which isn't proper land stewardship. Overgrazing can have devastating effects, and overgrazing was a cause of the dust bowl. Left unchecked, the cows will continue to overgraze areas and spread out causing significant problems. They wouldn't accept it. He only owes 45k in fees. The rest are fines and interest, which makes it over a million dollars. They wouldn't accept payment until the cattle were removed. He made no attempt to pay it. He tried to pay clark county, which cannot accept fees that are by law to go to the BLM. He's playing "the state owns the land" stupidity. 45k in fees, for 20 years, and he refused to pay it. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 8:00:09 PM EDT
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Why don't you finish WHY he refused to pay it? What the ramifications of taking the new contract would have been? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe he could have paid at least sone of the fees, instead of spending two decades weaseling his way around and spouting sovereign citizen mumbo jumbo in hopes of continuing to leach off the land. "But he improved it!" He built irrigation and infrastructure to support his cattle, which isn't proper land stewardship. Overgrazing can have devastating effects, and overgrazing was a cause of the dust bowl. Left unchecked, the cows will continue to overgraze areas and spread out causing significant problems. They wouldn't accept it. He only owes 45k in fees. The rest are fines and interest, which makes it over a million dollars. They wouldn't accept payment until the cattle were removed. He made no attempt to pay it. He tried to pay clark county, which cannot accept fees that are by law to go to the BLM. He's playing "the state owns the land" stupidity. 45k in fees, for 20 years, and he refused to pay it. Because when it comes to the real point of all of this Josh is not interested. He's just doing his job. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 8:57:14 PM EDT
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Because when it comes to the real point of all of this Josh is not interested. He's just doing his job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe he could have paid at least sone of the fees, instead of spending two decades weaseling his way around and spouting sovereign citizen mumbo jumbo in hopes of continuing to leach off the land. "But he improved it!" He built irrigation and infrastructure to support his cattle, which isn't proper land stewardship. Overgrazing can have devastating effects, and overgrazing was a cause of the dust bowl. Left unchecked, the cows will continue to overgraze areas and spread out causing significant problems. They wouldn't accept it. He only owes 45k in fees. The rest are fines and interest, which makes it over a million dollars. They wouldn't accept payment until the cattle were removed. He made no attempt to pay it. He tried to pay clark county, which cannot accept fees that are by law to go to the BLM. He's playing "the state owns the land" stupidity. 45k in fees, for 20 years, and he refused to pay it. Because when it comes to the real point of all of this Josh is not interested. He's just doing his job. Hey guess what? You can join him along with all the other anarchists on my ignore list. |
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Posted: 6/29/2015 9:27:06 PM EDT
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I find it funny that many will defend Bundy but will side with NPS in Michigan over leases involving land.
Please Sign Petition: Allow the Hunting Camps in the Ottawa National Forest to Stay Oh GD.... you so amuse me. |
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