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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:49:59 PM EDT
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My turn: LHD [Team Member] 11/24/2004 11:45:31 AM EDT Quoted: Quoted: [ Where the hell did this happen? In Herndon, guy was showing off his Desert Eagle to some bozo at his house and I suspect he liked to keep it hammer down on a loaded chamber. So in lowering the hamer it goes off. He is in his bedrrom on the 3rd floor of his townhouse (my row of townhouses backs his) bullet goes through his exterior wall, across the common area behind the townhouse through my exterior wall, through the tile in the shower , through the glass shower door shattering it, through the bathroom wall into the bedroom across over our bed about 1 foot above our heads and bullet loged itself in the stud of our exterior wall. He would have had a 733 grain answer to that question as fast as I could work the bolt. That is rediculous. So you'll return fire (deadly force) for a Desert Eagle ND but see no problem negligently handling an AR (or M-16)? Whose the troll? OP started this thread by being booty blasted about people posting pictures on the internet with the safety off, not about people acting unsafe around him. I don't think anyone could fault him for being upset about the latter. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:52:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You still didn't read the thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So you might as well get angry about it? You think I'm angry?  People making fools of themselves don't make me angry. Now, if you handled that M-16 around me or my family like what's depicted in that photo then I'd be angry. Seriously, you're the worst troll ever. Why would you simply rely on a mechanical safety? Why not have the bolt held open with a clear view of the chamber? To say the safety has to be on to make the rifle safe seems short sighted. Don't let me stop you from calling me names though. I do enjoy it. You still didn't read the thread. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:56:12 PM EDT
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OP started this thread by being booty blasted about people posting pictures on the internet with the safety off, not about people acting unsafe around him. I don't think anyone could fault him for being upset about the latter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My turn: LHD [Team Member] 11/24/2004 11:45:31 AM EDT Quoted: Quoted: [ Where the hell did this happen? In Herndon, guy was showing off his Desert Eagle to some bozo at his house and I suspect he liked to keep it hammer down on a loaded chamber. So in lowering the hamer it goes off. He is in his bedrrom on the 3rd floor of his townhouse (my row of townhouses backs his) bullet goes through his exterior wall, across the common area behind the townhouse through my exterior wall, through the tile in the shower , through the glass shower door shattering it, through the bathroom wall into the bedroom across over our bed about 1 foot above our heads and bullet loged itself in the stud of our exterior wall. He would have had a 733 grain answer to that question as fast as I could work the bolt. That is rediculous. So you'll return fire (deadly force) for a Desert Eagle ND but see no problem negligently handling an AR (or M-16)? Whose the troll? OP started this thread by being booty blasted about people posting pictures on the internet with the safety off, not about people acting unsafe around him. I don't think anyone could fault him for being upset about the latter. Keep going. Your almost there... |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:56:13 PM EDT
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I don't have to read the entire thread, he has a valid point you won't answer. Because you now that the weapon cannot get any safer than an empty chamber. Placing the selector on safe will not make it so. If you'd read the thread, you'd see that this argument has been brought up multiple times and answered multiple times. People should read through the thread so they don't continuously make the same arguments, as they've already been answered. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 5:56:48 PM EDT
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I don't have to read the entire thread, he has a valid point you won't answer. Because you now that the weapon cannot get any safer than an empty chamber. Placing the selector on safe will not make it so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you might as well get angry about it? You think I'm angry?
People making fools of themselves don't make me angry. Now, if you handled that M-16 around me or my family like what's depicted in that photo then I'd be angry. Seriously, you're the worst troll ever. Why would you simply rely on a mechanical safety? Why not have the bolt held open with a clear view of the chamber? To say the safety has to be on to make the rifle safe seems short sighted. Don't let me stop you from calling me names though. I do enjoy it. You still didn't read the thread. Where in the thread did OP state that you don't do such things? Where did he state you rely solely on the safety and nothing else? If you'd have read the thread you would realize he never did mention you should rely on only the safety. Get to reading... On the other hand, you've failed to answer why you should not engage your safety. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:01:16 PM EDT
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I don't have to read the entire thread, he has a valid point you won't answer. Because you now that the weapon cannot get any safer than an empty chamber. Placing the selector on safe will not make it so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you might as well get angry about it? You think I'm angry?
People making fools of themselves don't make me angry. Now, if you handled that M-16 around me or my family like what's depicted in that photo then I'd be angry. Seriously, you're the worst troll ever. Why would you simply rely on a mechanical safety? Why not have the bolt held open with a clear view of the chamber? To say the safety has to be on to make the rifle safe seems short sighted. Don't let me stop you from calling me names though. I do enjoy it. You still didn't read the thread. We've been over this. What happens when the bolt goes home? And answer this question: Tell me why you would take your weapon off safe without intending to shoot. Remember, we're talking AR's specifically here and not weapons that require you to take off safe to work the action or weapons that don't have a safety. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:09:45 PM EDT
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I don't have to read the entire thread, he has a valid point you won't answer. Because you now that the weapon cannot get any safer than an empty chamber. Placing the selector on safe will not make it so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you might as well get angry about it? You think I'm angry?
People making fools of themselves don't make me angry. Now, if you handled that M-16 around me or my family like what's depicted in that photo then I'd be angry. Seriously, you're the worst troll ever. Why would you simply rely on a mechanical safety? Why not have the bolt held open with a clear view of the chamber? To say the safety has to be on to make the rifle safe seems short sighted. Don't let me stop you from calling me names though. I do enjoy it. You still didn't read the thread. Because if this wasn't a troll thread Mister_H would have edited his stance into the OP so people didn't have to read 80 pages to dig out any nuggets of wisdom. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:13:39 PM EDT
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Because if this wasn't a troll thread Mister_H would have edited his stance into the OP so people didn't have to read 80 pages to dig out any nuggets of wisdom. What? Why should he edit his stance in his OP? What's wrong with his stance? You fuckers are strawmanning his argument, stating that his argument is something that it's not. You're injecting your own expectations of what you think OP believes, and refuse to actually read what was written, or read through the thread to see that your bullshit arguments have already been made and been debunked. How about stop acting like you're illiterate, and actually read the thread instead of remaining ignorant because you want to spite OP because he made your ass hurt? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:14:49 PM EDT
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Weapon on Fire, Hammer dropped.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:16:34 PM EDT
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Because if this wasn't a troll thread Mister_H would have edited his stance into the OP so people didn't have to read 80 pages to dig out any nuggets of wisdom. Or if people would actually read the thing we wouldn't have folks, like yourself, coming in here running and screaming about the same shit that was explained halfway through. Keep blaming everyone else... |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:18:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We've been over this. What happens when the bolt goes home? And answer this question: Tell me why you would take your weapon off safe without intending to shoot. Remember, we're talking AR's specifically here and not weapons that require you to take off safe to work the action or weapons that don't have a safety. 2.) To perform a function check. 3.) To dry fire 4.) To measure the trigger pull. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:22:36 PM EDT
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1.) To clean the fire control group. 2.) To perform a function check. 3.) To dry fire 4.) To measure the trigger pull. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We've been over this. What happens when the bolt goes home? And answer this question: Tell me why you would take your weapon off safe without intending to shoot. Remember, we're talking AR's specifically here and not weapons that require you to take off safe to work the action or weapons that don't have a safety. 2.) To perform a function check. 3.) To dry fire 4.) To measure the trigger pull. 1) upper is not connected 2) been covered. 3) been covered 4) Not been covered, but falls under 2-3. If you'd have read the read you'd know that there ARE reasons to disengage the safety, however risk still must be mitigated in other ways, and the risk is accepted because there is a good REASON to do so. Storage isn't a good reason. Fucking around with your rifle isn't a good reason. Yes, now I think you may have this "AH HA!!! I GOT YOU" thought right now. No. This was covered like 70 pages ago, you just didn't read it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:32:00 PM EDT
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We've been over this. What happens when the bolt goes home? And answer this question: Tell me why you would take your weapon off safe without intending to shoot. Remember, we're talking AR's specifically here and not weapons that require you to take off safe to work the action or weapons that don't have a safety. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You think I'm angry?
People making fools of themselves don't make me angry. Now, if you handled that M-16 around me or my family like what's depicted in that photo then I'd be angry. Seriously, you're the worst troll ever. Why would you simply rely on a mechanical safety? Why not have the bolt held open with a clear view of the chamber? To say the safety has to be on to make the rifle safe seems short sighted. Don't let me stop you from calling me names though. I do enjoy it. You still didn't read the thread. We've been over this. What happens when the bolt goes home? And answer this question: Tell me why you would take your weapon off safe without intending to shoot. Remember, we're talking AR's specifically here and not weapons that require you to take off safe to work the action or weapons that don't have a safety. Why is the bolt closing any more likely than the safety getting flipped off? I havent argued not to turn the safety on, only that relying only on the safety is not the ultimate safety practice. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:33:49 PM EDT
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Or if people would actually read the thing we wouldn't have folks, like yourself, coming in here running and screaming about the same shit that was explained halfway through. Keep blaming everyone else... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because if this wasn't a troll thread Mister_H would have edited his stance into the OP so people didn't have to read 80 pages to dig out any nuggets of wisdom. Or if people would actually read the thing we wouldn't have folks, like yourself, coming in here running and screaming about the same shit that was explained halfway through. Keep blaming everyone else... You keep having to rehash the same arguement, huh? How's that working out for you? If only there was an easy way to prevent that. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:36:27 PM EDT
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I havent argued not to turn the safety on, only that relying only on the safety is not the ultimate safety practice. Congratulations. None of us have been arguing to rely solely on the safety in order to prevent a negligent or accidental discharge. OP made his argument in a way that would piss people off so that people who do not use the safety would post because they were pissed, and then people would be able to argue and explain why you should use the safety. He also did it so that it would get increased traffic and more people would see the thread. Obviously this has worked, seeing as there are many people in the thread who have changed over after seeing the light, and the thread continues to get comments and is nearing 80 pages. If you don't like the way he presented his argument, that's the reason why he did it that way. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:38:06 PM EDT
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Why is the bolt closing any more likely than the safety getting flipped off? I havent argued not to turn the safety on, only that relying only on the safety is not the ultimate safety practice. Seriously? A gentle bump will send the bolt home. And on the rare occasion something bumps the safety off, it's still best to use it despite that, wouldn't you say? NOBODY. Not once. Ever. In this thread has said "using the safety is the ultimate safety precaution" Nobody here has said it can be trusted 100%. What everyone is saying is that you should follow the 4 rules, and use the safety unless you have an exceedingly good reason not to. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:46:21 PM EDT
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Why is the bolt closing any more likely than the safety getting flipped off? I havent argued not to turn the safety on, only that relying only on the safety is not the ultimate safety practice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would you simply rely on a mechanical safety? Why not have the bolt held open with a clear view of the chamber? To say the safety has to be on to make the rifle safe seems short sighted. Don't let me stop you from calling me names though. I do enjoy it. You still didn't read the thread. We've been over this. What happens when the bolt goes home? And answer this question: Tell me why you would take your weapon off safe without intending to shoot. Remember, we're talking AR's specifically here and not weapons that require you to take off safe to work the action or weapons that don't have a safety. Why is the bolt closing any more likely than the safety getting flipped off? I havent argued not to turn the safety on, only that relying only on the safety is not the ultimate safety practice. The whole "don't trust the safety" is just as stupid now as it was when they went full retard on it 50 plus pages ago. It's a stupid argument and compromise in practice to appease both sides. Your gun is always loaded, until you clear it for empty, then you still treat it as loaded. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) upper is not connected 2) been covered. 3) been covered 4) Not been covered, but falls under 2-3. If you'd have read the read you'd know that there ARE reasons to disengage the safety, however risk still must be mitigated in other ways, and the risk is accepted because there is a good REASON to do so. Storage isn't a good reason. Fucking around with your rifle isn't a good reason. Yes, now I think you may have this "AH HA!!! I GOT YOU" thought right now. No. This was covered like 70 pages ago, you just didn't read it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1) upper is not connected 2) been covered. 3) been covered 4) Not been covered, but falls under 2-3. If you'd have read the read you'd know that there ARE reasons to disengage the safety, however risk still must be mitigated in other ways, and the risk is accepted because there is a good REASON to do so. Storage isn't a good reason. Fucking around with your rifle isn't a good reason. Yes, now I think you may have this "AH HA!!! I GOT YOU" thought right now. No. This was covered like 70 pages ago, you just didn't read it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:51:54 PM EDT
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Nope, you asked, and I answered. If it's buried some where on page 43, so be it. I've been handling firearms, and specifically AR's for over 40 years, and I haven't shot my dog, or cat, or friend or myself or anything I didn't intend to shoot, so I must be doing something right. How about you store and handle yours the way that gives you the most confidence, and I'll do it my way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: 1) upper is not connected 2) been covered. 3) been covered 4) Not been covered, but falls under 2-3. If you'd have read the read you'd know that there ARE reasons to disengage the safety, however risk still must be mitigated in other ways, and the risk is accepted because there is a good REASON to do so. Storage isn't a good reason. Fucking around with your rifle isn't a good reason. Yes, now I think you may have this "AH HA!!! I GOT YOU" thought right now. No. This was covered like 70 pages ago, you just didn't read it. "This is how we've always done it!" Yep. that's an excellent reason. Instead if defaulting to how it's already been done, why don't you explain WHY you take your weapon off safe and pull the trigger to store it? There's a reason for dry fire, what's the reason for that storage method? Because you are "comfortable" with it? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 6:57:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "This is how we've always done it!" Yep. that's an excellent reason. Instead if defaulting to how it's already been done, why don't you explain WHY you take your weapon off safe and pull the trigger to store it? There's a reason for dry fire, what's the reason for that storage method? Because you are "comfortable" with it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "This is how we've always done it!" Yep. that's an excellent reason. Instead if defaulting to how it's already been done, why don't you explain WHY you take your weapon off safe and pull the trigger to store it? There's a reason for dry fire, what's the reason for that storage method? Because you are "comfortable" with it? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:13:36 PM EDT
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Well, I've already covered it, but what the hell. Yes, it's the way I was trained, you know muscle memory. It works for me, it's my way, it has been proven over decades of time to work, that's why. Next question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:24:32 PM EDT
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Well, I've already covered it, but what the hell. Yes, it's the way I was trained, you know muscle memory. It works for me, it's my way, it has been proven over decades of time to work, that's why. Next question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: "This is how we've always done it!" Yep. that's an excellent reason. Instead if defaulting to how it's already been done, why don't you explain WHY you take your weapon off safe and pull the trigger to store it? There's a reason for dry fire, what's the reason for that storage method? Because you are "comfortable" with it? 'that's the way we've always done it" is a pretty shitty reason. I bet at one point you had a CO or a boss that pulled that and you said he was an idiot for it. A wise person can look at what he's doing, see that it can be improved, and then improve upon it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:29:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 'that's the way we've always done it" is a pretty shitty reason. I bet at one point you had a CO or a boss that pulled that and you said he was an idiot for it. A wise person can look at what he's doing, see that it can be improved, and then improve upon it. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:30:28 PM EDT
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'that's the way we've always done it" is a pretty shitty reason. I bet at one point you had a CO or a boss that pulled that and you said he was an idiot for it. A wise person can look at what he's doing, see that it can be improved, and then improve upon it. Except when it doesn't. Like all the times the people who had the same attitude as you had a negligent discharge, but then continue the practice and berate the OP. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:34:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except when it doesn't. Like all the times the people who had the same attitude as you had a negligent discharge, but then continue the practice and berate the OP. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:36:24 PM EDT
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'that's the way we've always done it" is a pretty shitty reason. I bet at one point you had a CO or a boss that pulled that and you said he was an idiot for it. A wise person can look at what he's doing, see that it can be improved, and then improve upon it. Oh, so YOU'RE the boss that says "this is the way I've always done it!" even when shown a better way. I see. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 7:47:30 PM EDT
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If you discount the 46 years of error free handing of AR's that I have, I can see how you would come to that conclusion. You are assuming that I just pull the trigger whenever I feel like it. Because you failed to read about the way I was trained, you assume it's unsafe, you are wrong, my track record proves it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Except when it doesn't. Like all the times the people who had the same attitude as you had a negligent discharge, but then continue the practice and berate the OP. So why do you drop the hammer on your AR for storage or when you're trying to make it rack "safe"? Is there a purpose other than "I was trained to do it that way" or "I've always done it that way"? What purpose does dropping the hammer on a supposedly empty chamber serve in this context? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So why do you drop the hammer on your AR for storage or when you're trying to make it rack "safe"? Is there a purpose other than "I was trained to do it that way" or "I've always done it that way"? What purpose does dropping the hammer on a supposedly empty chamber serve in this context? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:22:04 PM EDT
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Now you're the one that needs to read all 70 something pages. But I'll say it again, I store mine with the bolt open. And no the selector is not on safe, the chambers empty it makes no difference, it won't make any more safe. And before you say, "what if" to the bolt hold open getting bumped, think long and hard about that. That chances of you bumping the bolt hold open, and not hearing the bolt go forward, are less than the selector coming off safe without you knowing. Once again, I stand on my record, 46 years, I must be doing something correct. Why change what isn't broken? Because YOU think I should, um no, it's MY responsibility not yours. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So why do you drop the hammer on your AR for storage or when you're trying to make it rack "safe"? Is there a purpose other than "I was trained to do it that way" or "I've always done it that way"? What purpose does dropping the hammer on a supposedly empty chamber serve in this context? So you store your AR with a mag in, empty chamber, bolt back, safety off? 
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:24:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you store your AR with a mag in, empty chamber, bolt back, safety off? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:27:14 PM EDT
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So you store your AR with a mag in, empty chamber, bolt back, safety off? I have, actually. I just don't remember how you keep your AR. How is your home defense AR/patrol rifle/truck rifle stored? I forget if you even use your AR for defense. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have, actually. I just don't remember how you keep your AR. How is your home defense AR/patrol rifle/truck rifle stored? I forget if you even use your AR for defense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So you store your AR with a mag in, empty chamber, bolt back, safety off? I have, actually. I just don't remember how you keep your AR. How is your home defense AR/patrol rifle/truck rifle stored? I forget if you even use your AR for defense. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:45:56 PM EDT
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Expecting someone to read 70 pages is ludicrous. Get over yourself. Post it in OP or continue being a dickhead, no one is going to read 70 pages.
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:46:28 PM EDT
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I live in the boonies of Western Washington, if I ever had to "defend" my home from anything it would have 4 legs, and I wouldn't be using 5.56mm on it. So the answer to your question is, all my weapons are stored unloaded. Even the magazines for them are empty. I'm not paranoid, I don't live in a high crime area, and the two GSD's keep the the 4 legged critters at bay. I did have a good size black bear give me a start summer before last, but he was on his way to the blackberries, and me not being a little girly, let him be. But if I did have problem with him, he'd be dealt with by a 30-06, not a mouse gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you store your AR with a mag in, empty chamber, bolt back, safety off? I have, actually. I just don't remember how you keep your AR. How is your home defense AR/patrol rifle/truck rifle stored? I forget if you even use your AR for defense. Well I guess that explains a lot then. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:52:48 PM EDT
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Whatever.
It isn't going to harm the OP regardless of its condition. A bullet isn't going through the screen at him. I keep all my guns loaded. Round in the chamber. Full mag. An unloaded weapon is useless if needed in an emergency. Unloaded guns have had more ND/AD's and killed people than loaded guns have. In the wganz house, it is always loaded until proven otherwise. then when done with it, it is reloaded and put away. OP needs to switch to decaf. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 8:54:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I guess that explains a lot then. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 9:40:30 PM EDT
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Yup, but if you had of read my comments you would of known that. I'm sorry you live in an area where you feel the need to be prepared any differently. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I guess that explains a lot then. Do you carry? It seems as though you think it's impossible that someone would break into your house, or try and do you harm. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:07:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you carry? It seems as though you think it's impossible that someone would break into your house, or try and do you harm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well I guess that explains a lot then. Do you carry? It seems as though you think it's impossible that someone would break into your house, or try and do you harm. For me the biggest SHTF event would be an earthquake, and if that happens I'll have all the time I need to load magazines. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:08:31 PM EDT
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Nope, I don't carry, I don't feel the need too. While it's possible that someone could break into my house (technically, they wouldn't have to break in, the door is never locked), first they would have to find it. As for my first line of defense against those 4 legged critters, that would be a Model 70 in 30-06 next to the back door, there are rounds in it, bolt to the rear. The rest of my collection isn't even in a safe, I know here comes the collective gasp of "Oh Noes!" So I'm thinking that by the time you got your safe and opened it, I could have 30 rounds in a mag (I'm good with stripper clips, aren't you?), the weapon charged. Against what? Those pesky coyotes? The one or two bobcat that are always around? Or how about the Lion that I have yet to catch sight of? For me the biggest SHTF event would be an earthquake, and if that happens I'll have all the time I need to load magazines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I guess that explains a lot then. Do you carry? It seems as though you think it's impossible that someone would break into your house, or try and do you harm. For me the biggest SHTF event would be an earthquake, and if that happens I'll have all the time I need to load magazines. How often do you shoot your AR? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:14:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How often do you shoot your AR? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope, I don't carry, I don't feel the need too. While it's possible that someone could break into my house (technically, they wouldn't have to break in, the door is never locked), first they would have to find it. As for my first line of defense against those 4 legged critters, that would be a Model 70 in 30-06 next to the back door, there are rounds in it, bolt to the rear. The rest of my collection isn't even in a safe, I know here comes the collective gasp of "Oh Noes!" So I'm thinking that by the time you got your safe and opened it, I could have 30 rounds in a mag (I'm good with stripper clips, aren't you?), the weapon charged. Against what? Those pesky coyotes? The one or two bobcat that are always around? Or how about the Lion that I have yet to catch sight of? For me the biggest SHTF event would be an earthquake, and if that happens I'll have all the time I need to load magazines. How often do you shoot your AR? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:31:00 PM EDT
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Which one? I was shooting the 6.5 Grendel in the back yard today. Don't you shoot in your yard everyday? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, I don't carry, I don't feel the need too. While it's possible that someone could break into my house (technically, they wouldn't have to break in, the door is never locked), first they would have to find it. As for my first line of defense against those 4 legged critters, that would be a Model 70 in 30-06 next to the back door, there are rounds in it, bolt to the rear. The rest of my collection isn't even in a safe, I know here comes the collective gasp of "Oh Noes!" So I'm thinking that by the time you got your safe and opened it, I could have 30 rounds in a mag (I'm good with stripper clips, aren't you?), the weapon charged. Against what? Those pesky coyotes? The one or two bobcat that are always around? Or how about the Lion that I have yet to catch sight of? For me the biggest SHTF event would be an earthquake, and if that happens I'll have all the time I need to load magazines. How often do you shoot your AR? How many do you have in each caliber? Which one's your favorite? As to the second question, no -- my yard isn't big enough. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:54:42 PM EDT
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I like to make my own decisions based on the facts which may agree with the OP. So you agree that I'm right. You're welcome. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:56:53 PM EDT
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Weapon on Fire, Hammer dropped. Gross. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:59:11 PM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1782832_New_to_forum__unsure_where_to_start_thread.html
Lets observe safe weapons handling practices everyone....ok? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 10:59:16 PM EDT
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Expecting someone to read 70 pages is ludicrous. Get over yourself. Post it in OP or continue being a dickhead, no one is going to read 70 pages. You're on an Internet discussion forum. If you don't like to read discussions, you're going to have a bad time. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 11:01:31 PM EDT
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You're on an Internet discussion forum. If you don't like to read discussions, you're going to have a bad time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Expecting someone to read 70 pages is ludicrous. Get over yourself. Post it in OP or continue being a dickhead, no one is going to read 70 pages. You're on an Internet discussion forum. If you don't like to read discussions, you're going to have a bad time. I guess he doesn't want to read the safety thread to find out what's in it 
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Posted: 8/29/2015 11:04:31 PM EDT
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Why is the bolt closing any more likely than the safety getting flipped off? I havent argued not to turn the safety on, only that relying only on the safety is not the ultimate safety practice. The middle of the thread contained lots of ND stories. Do you have a negligent discharge story you'd like to share? |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 11:08:43 PM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1782832_New_to_forum__unsure_where_to_start_thread.html Lets observe safe weapons handling practices everyone....ok? Sloppy weapons handling seems dangerous. |
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Posted: 8/29/2015 11:19:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because you now that the weapon cannot get any safer than an empty chamber. Placing the selector on safe will not make it so. Well you are wrong. Placing the safety on safe will make the AR "safer". Checking the chamber has proven to be much less safe than simply engaging the safety. Engaging the safety has a perfect or near perfect track record of stopping NDs. Checking the chamber has an abysmal track record of preventing NDs. You do understand that Rule #1 exists simply because chamber checking is fraught with possible mistakes. Treat all guns as if they are loaded. 
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Posted: 8/29/2015 11:22:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many do you have in each caliber? Which one's your favorite? As to the second question, no -- my yard isn't big enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, I don't carry, I don't feel the need too. While it's possible that someone could break into my house (technically, they wouldn't have to break in, the door is never locked), first they would have to find it. As for my first line of defense against those 4 legged critters, that would be a Model 70 in 30-06 next to the back door, there are rounds in it, bolt to the rear. The rest of my collection isn't even in a safe, I know here comes the collective gasp of "Oh Noes!" So I'm thinking that by the time you got your safe and opened it, I could have 30 rounds in a mag (I'm good with stripper clips, aren't you?), the weapon charged. Against what? Those pesky coyotes? The one or two bobcat that are always around? Or how about the Lion that I have yet to catch sight of? For me the biggest SHTF event would be an earthquake, and if that happens I'll have all the time I need to load magazines. How often do you shoot your AR? How many do you have in each caliber? Which one's your favorite? As to the second question, no -- my yard isn't big enough.  I understand everyone doesn't live in the same environment as I do, and my levels of personal defense are far different that other people. If I lived in an urban or suburban area, then I would do things differently. I'm lucky that I don't have too. I'm also lucky that my range is my back yard, and that if I were at a public range and people were unsafely handing any firearm, I'd be nervous as hell. A for what's in my collection, just 5.56/.223's, parts for a 7.62x39, and the 6.5 mm Grendel. The 6.5 mm is really nice, and since I reload, ammo isn't a problem, well it wasn't until the powder dried up. |
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