PAGE 50 IS SAFE

Herpes thread.

If by that you mean safe weapons handling is highly contagious and can never be gotten rid of, hell yeah it's a herpes thread...

Except for those safety violators that pick the scabs. You KNOW they know better, you tell them over and over again, but... they just pick away.

 

all mechanical devices fail, WHEN I CUT THEM IN HALF

In on 50.

 

Dear Mister_H-

I'm a military officer and many of my troops are wandering around with loaded weapons.

I don't think one clearing barrel is enough, and I've ordered clearing barrels attached to the end of all weapons. You ought to see the beauty we put on the Mark 19!

Do you think I went overboard? After all, it is for safety.

Signed-

CompanyGradeOfficerwithFieldGradeideas

I was replying to a post that wasn't so serious.

I even edited my post, as my original reply would imply you when in fact I did not mean to.  Pre-coffee post.  Lighten up.

This guy underestimated Gremlins, and he be dead now.



Never get complacent with a safety.  

Skeeter Skelton, who by anyone's measure, was a professional firearms handler, had 3 ND's in his lifetime.  ND #1 was when he was a young man, fiddling with his mothers .32 Auto.  He put a nice hole in the floor in her bedroom.  #2 occurred as an adult, when, having returned from showing a new firearm to a friend, could not resist a quick draw on himself in his wife's full length mirror.  He killed said mirror.  #3 was with a newly acquired 1911 with a light trigger.  He was riding around his property in his truck, saw a jackrabbit and decided to give the pistol a workout.  Round #2 killed the jackrabbit dead, while round one killed the heater core in his truck.  

Even professionals make mistakes.  It is how one responds to those mistakes that separate the men from the boys.  I violated the rules with my ND, but am professional enough to admit to it, and to use it as an example during periods of instruction.  In the almost 26 years since then, I have not come close to repeating that mistake.  

That I choose to store my firearms de-cocked is unsafe only in your mind, because, as I have explained, I perform a visual and physical inspection of the chamber before immediately releasing the bolt, taking it off safe and pulling the trigger.  There is no way for a round to be introduced to the chamber during this procedure unless it is somehow de-materialized from my ammo storage locker and re-materialized in the fuckin chamber.  It just cannot happen.  And this is only done with firearms that I am storing.  

I store my firearms this way not because I do not understand springs, and not because I ignore the safety or the science.  I do this simply because it is a personal preference.  

Clearing barrel muzzle caps! Genius.

That's some forward thinking, sir!

Back fo fidy!

Oh, I get it. You were born this way.

Congratulations.

I think that is fabulous that we live in a country where we are free to make gross decisions.

So, you'll readily admit, then, that your method brings nothing to the table other than placating some inner desire to continue with a long-standing habit, right?

Now, will you also admit that Mister_H's method actually brings something to the table other than such a desire? Namely, it continues the practice of not manipulating the trigger when the rifle is not pointed at a target which you are intending to engage-one of the preeminent safety rules. And, it also brings to the table the ability to tell from a distance that, even though you are unsure of the condition of the chamber, you can be assured that the rifle is as safe as mechanically possible, given the almost unheard of chances of an AR safety failing.

Let's talk hypothetically; and, for purely hypothetical purposes, let's assume that the person in question is a bachelor, with no kids, and that they follow the storage procedure you espouse-as you said, you've taught it to Marines and Airmen, many of whom we can assume are childless bachelors-they have no wife or kids who might be familiar with how they store their guns. They store all of their guns with the safety off and hammer down. On the way home from work one evening, they're killed in a car accident. After the funeral, their next-of-kin, a person with just the bare minimum of experience with firearms, comes over to take possession of their guns-maybe they'll keep them, maybe they'll give them away, maybe they'll sell them to a pawn shop for pennies on the dollar. When they open the safe, how are they to know, at a glance, that those rifles are safe? Using your method, those rifles could be safe, or they could be ready to fire. It's impossible to tell without manipulating the action. If the safety is engaged, they can just look down at it and know with some certainty that it's safe. Granted, if the person who stored the rifles religiously followed your procedure, the rifle would be safe. But, what if they failed to clear it properly the last time they put the gun away? After all, you, yourself, admit that you once had an ND when you were younger because you failed to follow the rules. Maybe the last time they touched the gun before the car accident was the one time they failed to follow your storage procedure rules and they left a round in the chamber.

With your method, should a person other than yourself have reason to handle your rifle, there is a question as to the safe condition of the rifle. With Mister_H's method, even a rank amateur can look at another person's rifle and tell that it is safe and will most likely not discharge, negligently or accidentally.

I thing the best rational so far for condition 4 AR storage, is that upon retrieving the firearm, checking condition, loading and charging the weapon is in an intrinsically safer mode without having to spend time in a less safe mode.

Another glaring safety violation is when keeping an AR hammer down, loaded mag inserted, if they want to charge the weapon, they have to do it with the selector on fire.

Who charges their weapon with it on fire?

Safety violators and sloppy amateurs, that's who.

People with 1911s.

1911 makes an AR now???  

Trans-platform elective surgery....

 

Lol.

Topic: How to properly handle an AR.

Responses: Mah Revolva!

Mah Glock haas nah safeties!

Mah Cival Wah cannon haas nah safeties!

At first I thought this thread was stupid, and the OP was a dick; but its actually made me rethink a few things.

Now I just think the OP is a dick.

No need for the bruised eye/beaten wife emoticon. Rethinking things is smart, and is what a logical person would do when presented with facts.

I may come off as a complete dickhead, but I assure you, in person I am very handsome, unseasonably tan, fresh smelling, and tall.

It's July

 

Correct.

Meh, depends on much attention a person pays to detail.  No one touches my gun safe but me.  I know the condition of all my guns, which is always unloaded if in the safe.  Keeping the trigger pulled is retarded, and serves no purpose...some of you guys are too much, way too much.
Clearing a weapon is not rocket science, so don't make it be.  

Dropping the hammer has no tangible benefit. Additionally, it introduces the opportunity to have a negligent discharge.

Beyond those facts, it is a generally sloppy habit, and is a poor weapons handling practice.

The pros use their safety on their ARs, there is no reason to not use it.

You're welcome.

It's not rocket science, it's firearms safety science.  There has been lots of evidence shared here that dropping the hammer leads to ND's.

 

"I'm the only one that touches my guns", "It's (I know it's) not loaded", and similar saying are all indicators of lack of serious safety.



Checking weapon condition when you pick it up and ensuring it is in the appropriate condition, and rechecking and clearing before performing any administrative tasks such as cleaning or dry fire, and following safety rules without trying to convince anyone of there being a perceived need not to is the hallmark of professionals.

Meh.
26 years in the army.
combat arms.

I was wrong the whole time and MisterH is right.

it happens.  learn.  move on, be thankful you didn't put one through the wall or your kid doing something stupid and spread the word.

That's why I love you bro. Logical to a fault, like a safety robot.

You'll always be my George W., my sweet smelling prince of safety.

So instead of just following the well established rules, you're going to trust your own attention to detail is perfect, every single time, without fail? There's a reason all the rules overlap. And you never explained why you feel your way makes sense beyond "personal preference"

He may be doing it based off of his inner voice telling him to be true to his natural safety violator character traits.

I have learned in this thread that some safety violators aren't safety violators by choice.

Although they understand the safety rules, and how springs work, they are compelled to adopt gross weapons handling habits. Not out of choice. Never out of choice.

The decision was made for them. They were born this way.

This guy gets it.

I am entertained that you are able to find the perfect Pelosi pictures to make the perfect meme for your responses.

That is rather impressive!

Wrong.

His iron stomach is even more impressive.  

Science is proof.

I am right.

Pelosi is my spirit animal.

She comes to me throughout the day in visions, and delivers delicious truths. They hit like waves against a beaten shore.

This is my curse, my safety, my hammer cocked.

LOL... The cycle repeats in order to complete.

You use your mouth purtier than a $20 whore.

I find it hard to take seriously the views on safety employment of someone who told us the M9 has no safety.

 

Bro, it's a decocker

No offense, safebro, but I hope your spirit animal gets hit by a truck.

 

And a safety, which you perfectly well know.

 

50 PAGES!!!!

And all of them have been on topic. Imagine that...

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