We just have to trust the integrity of Obama and others in government to not lie to us.

I think I rank Jade Helmers somewhere between chem trail retards and squirrel turds in terms of nuttiness.

Who told you that? I plan to follow orders as I've been promised a fast track career progression. Best part is I get to keep the guns I take so my collection will expand vastly.

Indianapolis would have really shit the bed if they new about Mighty Derringer.

Because I lived through other conspiracy theories without issue.

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A battalion sized exercise is actually a pretty low level to be including Obama in the same sentence in.

So chances are Obama didn't know about the Osama Bin Loden mission? That was just a small unit involved...

Need more name calling in the thread title.

People get antsy when the military does covert stuff here. Seems like a rational fear to me.

maybe ill finally get to use some of this gear.

Actually that was coordinated through a much larger unit.  JSOC. And required much larger approval due to the cross border/HVT aspect.

A battalion level training exercise is nowhere even close.

Afraid of what those in government can and might do? Surely not!!!!
After all, they have nothing but our best interest at heart!

Herp'ers gonna derp.

Thanks for pointing that out General!

Well, you are completely confused on the concept that was presented. The point was the HIGHEST level of approval for JH is much lower than POTUS/SECDEF, where in your example it is much higher.   Being wrapped around the lowest level involved is retarded, considering EVERY event training or otherwise will have echelons on down to small unit/team taking part.

It's common sense.

You realize it's not worth the fight, right?



The tin foil hatters won't be convinced. And you're just a JBT for trying to change his mind...



My directorate does these exercises...we laugh and laugh and laugh at these guys...the guy actually running is finds it especially hilarious. He's ex-SF himself...why in the world would a guy like that find it so funny?



 

It is also common sense not too trust the corrupt liars in government if you value liberty.
Sorry if the previous sarcasm went over your head.
Obama is a devious fucking liar and has many who support his liberal, power grabbing agenda serving in our government.

And what exactly does that have to do with semi-routine training involving a thousand or so troops?

"Because Obama" is the laziest argument possible.

Read what I wrote again General. Here it is one more time.
Obama is a devious fucking liar and has many serving in government who support his liberal power grabbing agenda.
It is not just Obama we don't trust.

Sounds like someone just earned themselves a spot next to the shit bucket in their train car.

Somebody has to stir it.

Or Robin Sage.  How long has the Special Forces been planning to overthrow the US...you'd think they'd have gotten right by now!!!

Ok, hammermill,wowpro,roebuck, thewind medicfrost

Get real. It isn't Washington is afraid of a military coup, they are more afraid of things like the Bundy affair in Nevada breaking out on a wider scale.
A wide open border makes national security a joke and the Obama government is making every effort possible to disarm the average American. The whole scenario is just fucking weird.

So you really don't understand anything about this and your answer is verified as "because Obama".... Got it.

No General. Are you being obtuse or do you refuse to acknowledge Americans no longer trust our government?

Wait a second.  Except for maybe near WW2, at what point in history did Americans really trust their government?

So in Other Words:
Nobody here has the guts or testosterone to Ask the Many Active Duty Arfcomers What They Are Doing.

Just a few weeks ago there was an Arfcomer that just got his wings at Fort Benning.  Has anybody asked him about This Exercise?  What about Rusted Ace?  Has anybody asked HIM about Matt Helm's niece?  How Many Arfcomers are on either Active Duty, in the Reserves or National Guardsmen???

NOBODY Has Bothered to Ask the obvious people about the Exercise.  They rather look at vapor trails and think Chemical Trails rather than water vapor trails.

There is Healthy Skepticism and then there is this ridiculous paranoia.


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Yeah, people in Arkansas are gonna be really mad when martial law cuts off the food stamps and aid to mothers.

I fail to see how that has anything to do with a battalion-sized training exercise.

I may not trust eggplant, but I don't get totally vocal and up in arms about it because A) I don't really know all that much about eggplant and B) realistically there isn't too much an eggplant could do to harm me.


There was a life lesson served there for you.  You're welcome.





To be fair, JH is literally so small and specific there is probably only a handful of people on this board who could tell you much about the specific details.

A couple hundred airborne troops in Texas is apparently pretty big deal when you are clueless....nevermind the hundred thousand or so that have been in Texas for decades....

I saw an YouTube video (didn't click on it) that had a map claiming that ISISies were going to invade America in three places.  Two of those places have Major Military Bases directly in the invasion paths.  It was supposed to all art of Jade Helm.

All things considered I'm semi-surprised at least one Loon hasn't connected the SC shooting to Jade Helm.
But then I haven't looked very hard.

eggplant is good bro

When was the last time a rooster tried to hatch an eggplant

Ok, first off, I have no inside special access to information.  If I did, I wouldn't say anything anyway.  With that said, I have been in the Army for 22 years in various roles from Infantry platoon leader to Brigade Civil Affairs officer.  That last job is what I want to touch on.  We have a branch of the Army that deals specifically with dislocated civilians, "refugee" camps etc.  In support of Special and Conventional forces, CA comes in and helps round up and plan the occupation so to speak (that is not all CA does, but it is one of their missions).  

What do you think we did in Iraq when we went in?  We went in, took out their armed forces and essentially declared martial law.  Where we dropped the ball was what you do after you take out their armed forces.  We left too much of a vacuum in leadership and several hundred thousand Iraqi military out of a job.  Hopefully we learned from that somewhat.  I doubt it, but it's a hope we did.

Our armed forces train for these scenarios all the time to some degree.  Heck, the National Guard does it quite regularly when they respond to Hurricanes.  It's not all out, but you can definitely see the progression that could occur if someone wanted to.  It happened to a degree in Katrina.  The Army has the training to go in, declare martial law, confiscate all the guns and put everyone in camps.  We have been training this type of mission since I joined the Army in 1992 and it was going on long before I got in.  I can assure you there are plans for declaring martial law in every single country in the world, including ours.  Why?  Because the DoD loves to make plans, whether they need them or not.  

Training for this sort of scenario is great, it's what our armed forces are expected to do.  Go into an area quickly, take out the armed forces, implement military control/martial law, execute nation building (or whatever you want to call it if they do it here), eventually turn the government back over to (our pick of) civilian leadership.  Gone are the days of all out war, for now anyway.  Our government and a lot of the populace lack the will needed to go for all out war.

The only questions about Jade Helm (and it's not even about that in particular) are "Will our government ever declare martial law?"  Followed closely by, "Will our troops follow the orders?"

I personally am not all that concerned about it.

HaM

WTF I wasn't talking about a "battalion sized training exercise" General.
I was talking about the lack of trust most of us now have in our government.
I don't give a fuck whether you trust eggplant or vodka. I just know the government can and will fuck a citizen's or company for arbitrary reasons, legal or illegal.
That seems to be evident from the Border Patrol being told not to enforce the law to the Gibson guitar company having a SWAT team hit them looking for "illegal imported wood" which was never found.
But when the government starts arming eggplants and they make dynamic entries into the old folks homes looking for medicinal pot, I'll know I should have listened to you.

Thanks for your response. I appreciate your answer.

You cant see the forest because that eggplant is in your way.




So the real question is, how is a couple hundred troops imported into Texas the "tipping point" into martial law?

Will we EVER declare martial law?  A quick google search shows we have, several times, for several reasons.  Like the LA Riots for one.  That same search would also show the limitations of such an event.

Knowledge is power, and in this thread you are looking pretty weak.

The problem with government conspiracy theories is that they assume that our government is competent enough to pull such a stunt off.  

From what I've seen, the Obama administration is about as smart as a bag full of puppies.

Pot meet kettle

You just insulted dag lovers the world over

How does this translate into a couple hundred SF guys doing annual training becoming dreaded "MARTIAL LAW" and fire arms seIzures?

I call dibs on Dallas county. Here there's some good loot over there.

Obviously deceiving the American public is part of their stock and trade. I am much more trusting in our military not to turn on their own families and loved ones.

More importantly I don't think Obama trusts the military. Remember how Gen McChrystal resigned after his comments about Obama being "uncomfortable and intimidated" around the military were made public? That was referring to the top brass, I think he has no connection at all with the rank and file. In fact I'm sure Obama and company are very aware he isn't popular with most in uniform. Someone like that would not make the armed forces a vital part of a plan for seizing more power. If anything I think he would be trying to make sure they don't go anywhere or do anything while he made his move.

Because it has nothing to do with that.

Jade Helm is not about martial law...it's a SOF exercise.



 

Jade Helm paranoia explained.

Yeah, it seems a lot of the defenders of Jade Helm on these threads do more harm than good by simply not understanding it themselves.