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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's what I meant. The G3 sights are perfectly acceptable, much like those on an A1, but the M1 set the standard for iron sights and is still the yardstick everything else is measured by. Quoted for TRUTH 
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:15:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Garand is less than 3 inches longer than the G3, so it's not a HUGE difference. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: G3 bitches  mainly because it's not so damn long plus box mags. I also really like HK drum sightsThe Garand is less than 3 inches longer than the G3, so it's not a HUGE difference. Three inches in length is only an advantage in bayonet thrusts and dicks. I'll take the slightly shorter rifle.  |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:15:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:15:16 PM EDT
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1/2 lb more ammo, food, optics matters. Even if I don't carry 1/2 lb more of stuff, that means I'm lighter and can move farther (and mebbe faster). I agree - and that's why I listed "weight" as one of the cons of the Garand. I only mentioned it because once I looked it up (a few minutes ago), I was actually surprised that it wasn't far heavier. 
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:17:05 PM EDT
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The only complaint I have about my PTR91 w/rail is no bolt hold back. The iron sights are fine but I just mounted a scope so no problem targeting. At 6'3" & 200 lbs I have no problem with the ergos. No problem taking it in harms way. 20 rounds of 308 beats 8 of 30-06.
ETA - It came with a great trigger, smooth and just right for a battle rifle. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:17:57 PM EDT
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Garand<G3<AR-10
In terms of utility. I love the Garand but it's finicky nature and lack of detachable box mags and other modern ergonomics kills it for me as a battlefield implement. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:18:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: If you had to pick between the two, and it was going to be your ONLY rifle - especially if it might have be used as a SHTF gun, and not just a range toy ... which would you prefer? This thread was inspired by something brought up in another thread: HERE, in which I posted the following: ... when I was in the Danish army (2 years guard, and 3 years active duty) - I was issued the G3 at some times, and issued the Garand at other times (and commanded squads and platoons that were issued Garands). To me, it's still a toss-up. The Garand is heavier, but more reliable. The G3 has more capacity, but is less accurate. If there was some alien invasion or zombie uprising, and I had to choose between a Garand and a G3, I'd have to really think about it. Playing offense, I'd probably pick the G3, but if I was on defense, I'd go with the Garand. It may be a stupid question, but I think it's actually somewhat interesting. The way I see it, there are obvious pros and cons to both: G3 Pros: 20-round magazine, reliable, shorter Cons: cumbersome charging handle, no bolt hold, bad ergonomics for some, sights difficult to adjust, stamped metal construction more prone to damage. Garand Pros: Superior accuracy (better sights), better cartridge, extremely reliable Cons: 8-round capacity, weight & length I guess another advantage of the Garand might be that in a SHTF scenario, it looks a bit more inconspicuous than a G3, so it could make it easier to blend in. I like the charging handle on the G3. I think it's in the optimal location for a right handed shooter. And it allows you to lock the bolt open with one hand, as opposed to 2 with the AR and most modern rifles. But my main reason for choosing the G3 is that detachable mags are far superior. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:18:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_08_2012/post-5-1345934799.jpg https://m1pencil.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/2b2.jpg?w=584 A WWI Grenade Vest does the job very well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I voted G3 just because of the increased ammo capacity. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_08_2012/post-5-1345934799.jpg https://m1pencil.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/2b2.jpg?w=584 A WWI Grenade Vest does the job very well. Another thing that is quite easy with a Garand (at least back in the days of webbing), is to stick the clips on your straps (i.e. with a row of 4 rounds on either side). They'd actually grip on pretty well, and so as long as you weren't doing a gymnastic floor routine or low crawling  , they'd stay put - and that would obviously be a VERY quick way to access ammo in a fight. Certainly a bit faster than trying to pull a magazine out of a traditional (plastic) G3 magazine pouch.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:19:27 PM EDT
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I love the Garand but it's finicky nature ...... WHAT finicky nature? The need to limit the rifle to M2 ball ammo? In a SHTF scenario, it's not like you are going to roam the countryside, scavenging large quantities of .30/06 OR .308 to feed your SHTF rifle.  You will shoot the ammo you have stored up.
And one thing no one has talked about---the best of both worlds---a Garand chambered for .308!! 
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:19:53 PM EDT
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I have both a Garand and a Cetme (the design that the G3 was copied from). The Garand is immensely strong, well designed, and reliable to the point of being supernatural. I love my Cetme but it has a lot of design flaws, one of them being the magazine release button being too far forward to be reached with the index finger.. Another being the charger handle being on the LEFT of the rifle, forcing you to either cock the rifle with your weak hand or rotate the rifle to access with your right hand. Plus, there's no hold open feature after the last round, so the rifle becoming empty is usually a surprise. All of these serve to slow the battle usage of the rifle. Plus, it's annoying as fuck to take apart for cleaning; you have to pop out those two pins and then put them in the holes on the stock so they won't get lost. With the Garand you just swivel the trigger guard down.
The only real benefit is the higher ammo capacity, but the Garand can be reloaded much quicker than the G3 so the advantage isn't really there. The 30-06 is comparable in performance with .308 so the G3 doesn't even have any power advantage. There may be some differences in weight, btutto people who actually carried them through the woods they are both frigging heavy. The main advantage of the M1 is the range of ammo available for it. There are still crates of armor piercing stuff out there that was designed to destroy German half tracks. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:20:30 PM EDT
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Paper stamp was finally approved on 05/14/2015 after sending it in on 01/13/2015. Had one error that took an extra week but it's all good now.
And already added a Trijicon front sight. 
so you know what I'm choosing. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:20:31 PM EDT
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Both are fine firearms and perfectly adequate. I just may have one of each (Grand / 91) and if the SHTF I would grab the 91.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:20:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree - and that's why I listed "weight" as one of the cons of the Garand. I only mentioned it because once I looked it up (a few minutes ago), I was actually surprised that it wasn't far heavier. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 1/2 lb more ammo, food, optics matters. Even if I don't carry 1/2 lb more of stuff, that means I'm lighter and can move farther (and mebbe faster). I agree - and that's why I listed "weight" as one of the cons of the Garand. I only mentioned it because once I looked it up (a few minutes ago), I was actually surprised that it wasn't far heavier. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:20:57 PM EDT
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Ill take the m1
Find a guy with an ar and trade or "take" depending on the circumstances |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:21:19 PM EDT
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G3. Detachable magazines, more accurate, more common ammunition.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:22:07 PM EDT
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G3. I own a PTR-91 and a garand. I want to say garand, but you have to be careful with what ammo you run in a garand or you can break an op rod; taking the gun out of the fight. G3 while chambered for 7.62x51 nato, to my knowledge has no ammo restrictions for current .308 loadings. So for SHTF the ability to use any scavenged .308 rounds is a plus.
Any other scenario where I'm not scavenging ammo, Garand. Better rifle. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:22:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another thing that is quite easy with a Garand (at least back in the days of webbing), is to stick the clips on your straps (i.e. with a row of 4 rounds on either side). They'd actually grip on pretty well, and so as long as you weren't doing a gymnastic floor routine or low crawling , they'd stay put - and that would obviously be a VERY quick way to access ammo in a fight. Certainly a bit faster than trying to pull a magazine out of a traditional (plastic) G3 magazine pouch.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I voted G3 just because of the increased ammo capacity. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_08_2012/post-5-1345934799.jpg https://m1pencil.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/2b2.jpg?w=584 A WWI Grenade Vest does the job very well. Another thing that is quite easy with a Garand (at least back in the days of webbing), is to stick the clips on your straps (i.e. with a row of 4 rounds on either side). They'd actually grip on pretty well, and so as long as you weren't doing a gymnastic floor routine or low crawling , they'd stay put - and that would obviously be a VERY quick way to access ammo in a fight. Certainly a bit faster than trying to pull a magazine out of a traditional (plastic) G3 magazine pouch. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:22:52 PM EDT
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Shuff's tanker is the correct answer
At the end of the day the G3 is a heavy stamped sheet metal rifle, it kinda lost it's coolness once I got to handle one and break it down. But it doesn't point or handle as well as the garand. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:22:52 PM EDT
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Cetme
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:23:14 PM EDT
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I like the charging handle on the G3. I think it's in the optimal location for a right handed shooter. You're thinking of the FAL/L1A1 
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:24:19 PM EDT
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Paper stamp was finally approved on 05/14/2015 after sending it in on 01/13/2015. Had one error that took an extra week but it's all good now. http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo157/Furyataurus/IMG_13201_zps5nmd1azd.jpg http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo157/Furyataurus/IMG_13211_zpsivzu5wkc.jpg http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo157/Furyataurus/IMG_13221_zps76iw5vzd.jpg And already added a Trijicon front sight. http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo157/Furyataurus/IMG_13231_zpsknyalzdr.jpg
so you know what I'm choosing. Ok that's cool |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:24:20 PM EDT
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Finally, an unbiased opinion!!! 
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G3: Heavy, wretched trigger. Garand: Smooth crisp trigger G3. No bolt hold open Garand: Bolt hold open. G3. violent ejection. Garand: Smooth ejection. G3. drum aperture sight Garand: Best aperture sight ever on a battle rifle. The only advantage that the G3 has is higher capacity. But then again, a Garand can be reloaded faster. Finally, an unbiased opinion!!!
G3: Detachable box magazines Garand: Load from clips G3: Pistol Grip Garand: Monte Carlo style stock G3: Able to run the full gamut of available ammunition in it's designation (.308win/7.62x51mm) Garand: Finicky bitch, incapable of running full power loads, eliminating the marginal advantage of .30-06 over .308win. The Garand was the greatest battle implement ever devised, in it's time. It's time has passed. ETA: The G3 (indeed all full power battle rifles) was obsolete at the time of it's adoption but, that is a separate issue. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:25:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WHAT finicky nature? The need to limit the rifle to M2 ball ammo? In a SHTF scenario, it's not like you are going to roam the countryside, scavenging large quantities of .30/06 OR .308 to feed your SHTF rifle. You will shoot the ammo you have stored up.And one thing no one has talked about---the best of both worlds---a Garand chambered for .308!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I love the Garand but it's finicky nature ...... WHAT finicky nature? The need to limit the rifle to M2 ball ammo? In a SHTF scenario, it's not like you are going to roam the countryside, scavenging large quantities of .30/06 OR .308 to feed your SHTF rifle. You will shoot the ammo you have stored up.And one thing no one has talked about---the best of both worlds---a Garand chambered for .308!! Also M1 Garands can have an adjustable gas plug installed so you can run any .30-06 load in it. Mine have them installed. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:25:07 PM EDT
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I love my m1, but the enbloc that goes flying who knows where when it's empty is a huge weakness if I am not getting them through a supply train. I suppose some soldiers kept a few when they could find them but chasing one around n an active gunfight scenario would seem foolish.
a G3 I can take the mag out and put it in a dump pouch and use it again or top it up easily if I have a limited supply of mags. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:26:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're thinking of the FAL/L1A1 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I like the charging handle on the G3. I think it's in the optimal location for a right handed shooter. You're thinking of the FAL/L1A1 lol |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:26:20 PM EDT
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I wonder if difference between magazines versus enbloc clips even the scales. Sure, an aluminum G3 mag isn't super heavy but every ounce counts. What about steel G3 mags? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1/2 lb more ammo, food, optics matters. Even if I don't carry 1/2 lb more of stuff, that means I'm lighter and can move farther (and mebbe faster). I agree - and that's why I listed "weight" as one of the cons of the Garand. I only mentioned it because once I looked it up (a few minutes ago), I was actually surprised that it wasn't far heavier. This issue of the G3 magazines is something I didn't even mention in my list of "cons" - but the typical aluminum magazine is garbage. Dropping it can ruin it, and stepping on one will certainly destroy it. If I had to use a G3 for my personal use (possibly in an emergency), I would absolutely want the heavier steel mags. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:26:22 PM EDT
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I have a PTR 91. I would choose it over the garand any day. Mostly because its easier to reload and holds more ammo.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:27:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Paper stamp was finally approved on 05/14/2015 after sending it in on 01/13/2015. Had one error that took an extra week but it's all good now. http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo157/Furyataurus/IMG_13201_zps5nmd1azd.jpg http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo157/Furyataurus/IMG_13211_zpsivzu5wkc.jpg http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo157/Furyataurus/IMG_13221_zps76iw5vzd.jpg And already added a Trijicon front sight. http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo157/Furyataurus/IMG_13231_zpsknyalzdr.jpg so you know what I'm choosing. The .308 out of such a short barrel is a waste of energy. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:28:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: G3. Detachable magazines, more accurate, more common ammunition. .30-06 is the most commom cartridge out in the US. I can find it everywhere. With an adjustable gas plug. The Garand can eat it all. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:28:52 PM EDT
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G3. Detachable magazines, more accurate, more common ammunition. The G3 is certainly accurate, but it is NOT as accurate as a Garand - partly as a result of the crappier trigger. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:28:57 PM EDT
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Also M1 Garands can have an adjustable gas plug installed so you can run any .30-06 load in it. Mine have them installed.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii134/desertford/get_fce9d8_832636.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love the Garand but it's finicky nature ...... WHAT finicky nature? The need to limit the rifle to M2 ball ammo? In a SHTF scenario, it's not like you are going to roam the countryside, scavenging large quantities of .30/06 OR .308 to feed your SHTF rifle. You will shoot the ammo you have stored up.
And one thing no one has talked about---the best of both worlds---a Garand chambered for .308!! Also M1 Garands can have an adjustable gas plug installed so you can run any .30-06 load in it. Mine have them installed.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii134/desertford/get_fce9d8_832636.jpg Someone should photoshop that pic to show Clint wielding a modern style AR-10. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:30:06 PM EDT
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Too easy for me; G3 has a detachable magazine, a better safety, I like the sights more, the ability to have a collapsible stock is great, easier to mount optics, easier to break down, etc..
I believe the Garand was a great rifle for its time, but things have modernized since then. Having shot a Garand, I wasn't fond of the safety, and while the En Bloc clips are pretty neat, they were a pain in the ass when I didn't have enough rounds to fully load one. Otherwise, it was a nice shooting rifle, and easy to shoot rapidly; I certainly wouldn't feel under-gunned too much. Edit: Another poster also brought up the clips getting ejected. Definitely and issue since an empty magazine can be stowed easily, while the en bloc just gets thrown out. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:34:52 PM EDT
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The G3 sights are actually quite good - but the huge problem is that you cannot adjust them (for windage or for zero or different ammo), without a special tool and/or screwdriver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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... The sights on the Garand can't be beat, but the G3's are not bad. It's got a long ass stock though that is really designed for 6' tall uber-men. The G3 sights are actually quite good - but the huge problem is that you cannot adjust them (for windage or for zero or different ammo), without a special tool and/or screwdriver. Dont buy the special too shear junk. Pick up used forceps and it works better than the tool to adjust elevation. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:35:29 PM EDT
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G3. Detachable magazines, more accurate, more common ammunition. What do you mean "More common ammunition"? In a SHTF situation arises don't expect anyone (particularly the military) to be giving you any ammo regardless of how common it is. Whatever you'll be bringing to SHTF is what you'll be relying on. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:38:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:38:03 PM EDT
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More common ammo? .30-06 is the most commom cartridge out in the US. I can find it everywhere. With an adjustable gas plug. The Garand can eat it all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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G3. Detachable magazines, more accurate, more common ammunition. .30-06 is the most commom cartridge out in the US. I can find it everywhere. With an adjustable gas plug. The Garand can eat it all. This would change my answer to garand. I was under the impression we were voting on "stock" rifles. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:39:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This issue of the G3 magazines is something I didn't even mention in my list of "cons" - but the typical aluminum magazine is garbage. Dropping it can ruin it, and stepping on one will certainly destroy it. If I had to use a G3 for my personal use (possibly in an emergency), I would absolutely want the heavier steel mags. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 1/2 lb more ammo, food, optics matters. Even if I don't carry 1/2 lb more of stuff, that means I'm lighter and can move farther (and mebbe faster). I agree - and that's why I listed "weight" as one of the cons of the Garand. I only mentioned it because once I looked it up (a few minutes ago), I was actually surprised that it wasn't far heavier. This issue of the G3 magazines is something I didn't even mention in my list of "cons" - but the typical aluminum magazine is garbage. Dropping it can ruin it, and stepping on one will certainly destroy it. If I had to use a G3 for my personal use (possibly in an emergency), I would absolutely want the heavier steel mags. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:45:12 PM EDT
[#38]
I've had both (well, the HK91 in place of the G3) and liked each of them very much in their own ways.
Which one do I still have? The Garand. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:46:12 PM EDT
[#39]
G3, because optics.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:50:00 PM EDT
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Most of the comments and preferences here have a couple of common foundations:
1. the respondent has assumed a certain scenario for SHTF. They assume such things as "I will scavenge ammo off the countryside" or "I will be in big protracted firefights needing lots of ammo quickly available" or other such fundamentals. None of the assumptions are likely to be true. 2. the respondent has chosen his preferred rifle based on limited experience with one or both of the arms in question. Those who love Garands cite all the shortcomings of the G3, and vice versa. Unless a person has lots of experience with both, he will always choose the one he knows best. Having owned and shot BOTH personally, I will state that the Garand is a more "user friendly" rifle than the G3. It also has the obvious limited magazine capacity, but a skilled Garand operator can keep up on reloads with a skilled G3 operator, if not beat him. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:51:20 PM EDT
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Another thing I just thought about is nighttime. G3 is equipped with a flash hider. M1 is not. The G3 was also issued with a decent nightvision scope. The Zeiss Orion 80/I (Fero Z51) night vision scope. I have one, and while it is a bit heavy it is usable. Need to find a lower mounting solution and get a magpul prs stock with a cheek riser since the current claw mount puts the optic chin weld high.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 1:54:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the comments and preferences here have a couple of common foundations: 1. the respondent has assumed a certain scenario for SHTF. They assume such things as "I will scavenge ammo off the countryside" or "I will be in big protracted firefights needing lots of ammo quickly available" or other such fundamentals. None of the assumptions are likely to be true. 2. the respondent has chosen his preferred rifle based on limited experience with one or both of the arms in question. Those who love Garands cite all the shortcomings of the G3, and vice versa. Unless a person has lots of experience with both, he will always choose the one he knows best. Having owned and shot BOTH personally, I will state that the Garand is a more "user friendly" rifle than the G3. It also has the obvious limited magazine capacity, but a skilled Garand operator can keep up on reloads with a skilled G3 operator, if not beat him. I've been with them all enough times to know that the M1 is better. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 2:00:37 PM EDT
[#44]
Partial to the Garand.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 2:02:15 PM EDT
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WHAT finicky nature? The need to limit the rifle to M2 ball ammo? In a SHTF scenario, it's not like you are going to roam the countryside, scavenging large quantities of .30/06 OR .308 to feed your SHTF rifle. You will shoot the ammo you have stored up.
And one thing no one has talked about---the best of both worlds---a Garand chambered for .308!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love the Garand but it's finicky nature ...... WHAT finicky nature? The need to limit the rifle to M2 ball ammo? In a SHTF scenario, it's not like you are going to roam the countryside, scavenging large quantities of .30/06 OR .308 to feed your SHTF rifle. You will shoot the ammo you have stored up.
And one thing no one has talked about---the best of both worlds---a Garand chambered for .308!! Well, if you want to limit yourself to m2 ball ammo that's your choice. However, I liked shooting 115gr bullets out of my cetme at 3200fps. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 2:03:52 PM EDT
[#46]
This one has an easy answer. The G3 of course.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 2:04:20 PM EDT
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Another thing I just thought about is nighttime. G3 is equipped with a flash hider. M1 is not. The G3 was also issued with a decent nightvision scope. The Zeiss Orion 80/I (Fero Z51) night vision scope. I have one, and while it is a bit heavy it is usable. Need to find a lower mounting solution and get a magpul prs stock with a cheek riser since the current claw mount puts the optic chin weld high. There's an app for that 
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Posted: 5/29/2015 2:06:23 PM EDT
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Garand Hands down.
I shot an HK 91 for the first time Last Sunday and holy cow that thing beat me up! One of theist uncomfortable guns I've ever shot. The stock beat me in the cheek and I just couldn't find a comfortable way to hold it and still line up the sights. And this coming from a guy who just shot 62 rd match with a Swiss 96/11 in a tee shirt and BDU blouse. And don't think M44s kick all that bad. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 2:08:52 PM EDT
[#49]
I love my Garands, but I am far more accustomed to a PG, thumb safety, and reloading (and clearing malfs, etc.) via detachable mags.
Reluctantly, the G3 for me. 
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Posted: 5/29/2015 2:09:34 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's an app for that http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/brokowsj/P1030231_zpsgt95sslt.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Another thing I just thought about is nighttime. G3 is equipped with a flash hider. M1 is not. The G3 was also issued with a decent nightvision scope. The Zeiss Orion 80/I (Fero Z51) night vision scope. I have one, and while it is a bit heavy it is usable. Need to find a lower mounting solution and get a magpul prs stock with a cheek riser since the current claw mount puts the optic chin weld high. There's an app for that http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z8/brokowsj/P1030231_zpsgt95sslt.jpg  Flash Hider |
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