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Posted: 5/28/2015 9:44:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd say in social situations he doesn't really talk to people. He kind of shrugs shoulders and makes weird faces. He'll talk to me and my wife and his sister and maybe other familiar relatives, but like with relatives he doesn't know he gets a little weird. I chalked it up to shyness but its one of the things that makes me wonder. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does he have trouble with social situations? (recognizing body language etc.) I had trouble with that until I was in 8th grade. I'd say in social situations he doesn't really talk to people. He kind of shrugs shoulders and makes weird faces. He'll talk to me and my wife and his sister and maybe other familiar relatives, but like with relatives he doesn't know he gets a little weird. I chalked it up to shyness but its one of the things that makes me wonder. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 9:50:36 PM EDT
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My six year old was diagnosed with PDDNOS which is pervasive developmental disorder at the age of two. This too is on the autistic spectrum. He really just learned to speak a few months ago and it has been a battle. He tries to interact but just cannot sometimes. Has fits where he just does not understand and cannot really communicate his wants or needs. He is really smart, and if you ask him about a color or animal he can tell you. But he cannot tell you how he feels or anything like that.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 9:50:57 PM EDT
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80-85% of your experience sounds like my boy. He just graduated, barely. He's smart as shit but doesn't want to do his work. Aces about all of the tests. Still doesn't have his license & plays with legos & action figures. I know he'll never be able to hold down a job. Kid won't do a damn thing he's told to do. He thinks he's ALWAYS right even when he's dead wrong. Some days I can't even look at him I am so disgusted. It's really hard to love him. He has outbursts of violence when he doesn't get his way or his mom takes one of his toys from him as a punishment. Last time she did that he broke a door out of the frame to get his kindle. I know he has a problem but I am seriously thinking of throwing him out when he's 18 in a few months. I can't handle it anymore Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My son has Asperger's and I don't care that the "big book of mental issue diagnosis Volume 4" has removed Asperger's specifically and assigned it to broad spectrum Autism. It's crap but that's my opinion. OP, it's kind of difficult to explain and describe. I want to say it's kind of like watching Brent Spiner as Commander Data on Star Trek The Next Generation trying to act like a robot that's acting like a human... sort of. My son is 15 now. He doesn't make eye contact a lot when speaking with people. He's awkward socially but doesn't really appear to have anything wrong with him when you see him by himself. Put him in a group of other kids with Asperger's and then you can plainly tell that there's something not right about them. I'd say it's kind of jerky movements... in their arms, legs, turning their heads... not smooth and fluid like normal people. He's very animated when he speaks... uses a lot of hand and arm movements... but it's like he doesn't know quite what to do with them. He's very, very, very, very, very interested in specific things. Like laser focus. Initially it was power lines. Telephone poles had some sort of fascination to him and he knew each and every one on the side of the road to and from his school and the neighborhood. Power lines. He knew which ones the power company replaced and which ones weren't. Lights. OH. MY. GOD. Lights. We would walk into a store. Target. WalMart. Supermarket. It didn't matter. Before we were even through the door, he had identified each and every fluorescent light fixture that had a problem and would worry about them the entire time we were in the store. "There's a light out there dad." "Yep." "Someone needs to fix it." "Yep." "When do you think they'll fix it?" "Whenever." "But the light's out. It needs to be changed." "They know it's out and they'll fix it when they're able to. Don't worry about it. It's not hurting you so leave it be." After years of this, he finally doesn't worry about lights in stores. At least he doesn't talk about it anymore. Maybe he worries about them still (probably) but keeps it to himself. He was a human GPS in that he knew roads extremely well and where we were in relation to that road... "oh, we're right here. 3 miles down from Smith street." He's very, very, very, very, very interested in weather. To the point that it is annoying and he knows I will not speak about weather to him much at all. I've found that there are 2 kinds of Asperger's kids. Truth tellers and liars. The truth tellers are brutal in their honesty and you wonder if there's a filter that they simply don't have... "Dad, why does that woman have a moustache?" kind of brutal honesty. In public. Embarrassing to say the least but I can only imagine... my son is the opposite side of the coin and he's a liar. It is extremely difficult to get the truth out of him without serious effort. He lies for whatever reason. Maybe he's wired that way, I don't know. It's annoying. Just tell the truth. You know how. You know right from wrong. He doesn't though. Getting the truth from him involves dealing very closely with his teachers at school. I know what he's doing every day, when his homework is due, what his homework is, and all of the teachers know who he is and look out for him. And keep him in line. And knowing his tells when he lies. (Looking down and to the right. Using UM a lot.) He didn't used to handle change well at all. At all. AT ALL. Like if something changed, he went into a screaming meltdown, temper tantrum, inconsolable, MY GOD what's wrong with my son fit. Over all kinds of things.... but he's getting better. As he matures he's improving. Severe structure early in his school life helped immensely. Not severe like "do what you're told or you'll be beaten!" severe... more like, "this is what we are doing today. Step 1. Step 2. Step 3. Step 4..." things were scheduled out and he thrived under the programs and additional attention that a helper teacher was able to provide. It didn't hurt that he's a loveable kid with a lot of compassion. But structure seemed to help him A LOT!!! He's a master manipulator. I don't know if that's Asperger's or just something that runs in the family because I'm a manipulator too... as is my mom. So... maybe not a sign of Asperger's. He doesn't get sarcasm. At all. Example: I'll say something sarcastic. My wife gets it but my son doesn't... he'll think on it a second or so and say "that was sarcasm wasn't it?" He tries using it himself and his efforts are admirable but not always successful. He's been diagnosed as Asperger's for the past several years. He went to a specialist. For a while when he was very young, it was like he was normal... up until about the age of 5 or so. He had just received a vaccination (yeah, I'm not a truther or anything) and seemed to change. I honestly can't remember and his mom died before he got the shot so she can't corroborate my story whether he was like this before but I don't think so. Initially I took my son to the doc to see about getting him some meds because he seemed to be ADD or ADHD. He was diagnosed as ADHD... I paid out of pocket to get him into see a preeminent child psychologist. She diagnosed him as ADHD inattentive, having dysgraphia, and recommended a doc to take him to for post diagnosis treatment. He went on meds for that... then meds for the side effects of the first med (he wouldn't sleep. days without sleep until his body exhausted and he crashed and slept. He would lie in bed all night and not move but not sleep. He wound up with pneumonia a few times because he exhausted his immune system to the point of exhaustion and wouldn't tell me that he was getting sick)... then meds for the side effects of that which wound up with him picking at his skin until it bled in various spots... then meds to try to stop that. Finally we took him off of all meds. He's sleeping through the night, focusing more in school (with some help), not picking, and acting normal at times... Then there are the times when it seems like he's a 9 yo trapped in a 15 yo body. He would much rather interact with someone much younger than he is or someone much older than he is (adults). It's how he's been since his diagnosis although he is showing that he has friends at school so that's very encouraging. There's nothing that can be done right now (medically) to treat Asperger's. Describing it for me is very difficult because it's hard to separate between normal 15 yo kid behavior and Asperger's behavior... it's normal now and has been for my household for several years to the point I just see it as my son and not Asperger's. Good luck and if you pursue a diagnosis for your child, there's not really a stigma associated with it. It's really just social awkwardness but so much of our interaction in life is visual and Aspie's can't process the visuals the same way we do. They're just wired differently. If you find that your child has Asperger's, there may be a school in your district that gathers all of the Asperger's kids and has programs that help them. We tried using the resources at the middle school for my son but he exhausted the staff... he had 13 disciplinary write-ups in the 6th grade and 37 in the 7th grade. He went into the program at the local middle school that had the autism program and he had 0 write ups. This is his second year in the program and he's only improving. (fingers crossed). If only we had known about this program when he was in the 6th grade we would have fought to get him into it. He's mainstreamed and does not take special classes. My son's 504 plan was just reviewed and there were fewer accommodations that he required. All in thanks to the efforts of the teachers in his school, our insistence that he be treated like any other child (he's not special just because he's autistic) and keeping a united front at school and at home. School knows what's going on at home. Home knows what's going on at school. My son doesn't get to run off the chain at his grandparents house (they let him run wild and it would take days for us to get him back to normal after him being there overnight...) Make sure you have an IEP or 504 plan for your child and any accommodations that must be made for them to learn. Be your child's advocate. You're the one most interested in their welfare and health. Oh yeah. My son has empathy. Loads of it. But he's not very affectionate. Trying to get a hug from him is like pulling teeth... or at least it was last year and the previous years. Now he's more willing to give hugs... occasionally. And my son might be sensitive to sound... but we tell him to suck it up buttercup. Rub some dirt in it and keep going. He tends to be somewhat dramatic in a lot of things. Just like his sister. She's 10 years older and I'm sure would test positive for Asperger's. 80-85% of your experience sounds like my boy. He just graduated, barely. He's smart as shit but doesn't want to do his work. Aces about all of the tests. Still doesn't have his license & plays with legos & action figures. I know he'll never be able to hold down a job. Kid won't do a damn thing he's told to do. He thinks he's ALWAYS right even when he's dead wrong. Some days I can't even look at him I am so disgusted. It's really hard to love him. He has outbursts of violence when he doesn't get his way or his mom takes one of his toys from him as a punishment. Last time she did that he broke a door out of the frame to get his kindle. I know he has a problem but I am seriously thinking of throwing him out when he's 18 in a few months. I can't handle it anymore So sorry for you and your wife. I have a friend that has an Asperger son and I wonder sometimes if he was mine if I wouldn't wind up choking him. Having said that, both my bud and his wife are very inattentive parents so it is a worst possible situation. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:18:45 PM EDT
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I'm sure if my parents had bothered to get me diagnosed the doctors would have put me somewhere on the spectrum. Kids who are just shy can display a number of the same symptoms, and I think it can be hard to tease apart sometimes. I had a lot of the same features- weird hand gestures, didn't make eye contact, very shy around strangers. I didn't have any of the obsessive interests though, and did well in all subjects in school.
The point is, even with all of that, I turned out ok without direct intervention. Don't write your kid off if he has some of the same features. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:25:16 PM EDT
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OP, a few things about Autism Spectrum Disorders:
1. The definition is extremely broad because it has many different "looks". Some kids have sensitivities (sounds, textures), some don't. Some are very empathic, some aren't. Some are very verbal, some can't speak. It's all over the map which makes some people believe that it is made up or overly diagnosed (possibly). If you took one or two possible symptoms in isolation, hell - we all would be labeled Autistic. 2. Symptoms can come and go based upon time and circumstance. An ASD kid might be fine in the classroom but refuses to go in the gym. A friend's son loves the bus but won't ride on their boat. A boy in the area regresses every couple of months to the social abilities of 5 year-old, and he is 10. 3. The sooner needed services start (OT, ABA, Speech) the more likely that you will have a positive outcome. No all kids need all services, and some need more than what's available. My daughter is very high functioning, and we were first concerned when they asked her not to come back to preschool. She wasn't violent or anything (in fact she's pretty dang loving and good tempered) but was in her own little world and needed all the attention of one adult to keep on task for even 30 secs. Her language was also delayed 6-9 months behind peers. Once she started talking, she would parrot you.. Ask a question - she would repeat it. Me - "What color is the truck?" Her - "What color is the truck?" Me - "Say - It is blue" Her - "Say it is blue." However, she could read - at age 2. Words like ornament, directory, preference... She began services a year ago and school last fall. And it's made a huge difference. Yesterday, I ran into one of the school evaluators that observed her prior to her initial IEP, and she was amazed at her progress - "She is a different child from the girl I saw last Summer". Her speech scores indicate that she is back with her peers in terms of language development (low-normal), but much of what she says is "scripted" - i.e. phrases she has heard others say that she repeats (often with an appropriate phrase at the wrong time). Sometimes she is just another kid, sometimes she is awkward and sticks out like a sore thumb. All in all, long-term I feel good about her future... My advice for you is to talk with the doc, and if your concerns continue, contact your school. If you think that he needs to be evaluated, state that to the school clearly. They have very specific timelines they have to meet when a child is referred for testing. Hopefully, your son is just a little shy, but if you need services, this is a critical window for them. IM if I can help! |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:32:05 PM EDT
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:32:15 PM EDT
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OP, a few things about Autism Spectrum Disorders: 1. The definition is extremely broad because it has many different "looks". Some kids have sensitivities (sounds, textures), some don't. Some are very empathic, some aren't. Some are very verbal, some can't speak. It's all over the map which makes some people believe that it is made up or overly diagnosed (possibly). 2. Symptoms can come and go based upon time and circumstance. An ASD kid might be fine in the classroom but refuses to go in the gym. A friend's son loves the bus but won't ride on their boat. A boy in the area regresses every couple of months to the social abilities of 5 year-old, and he is 10. 3. The sooner needed services start (OT, ABA, Speech) the more likely that you will have a positive outcome. No all kids need all services, and some need more than what's available. My daughter is very high functioning, and we were first concerned when they asked her not to come back to preschool. She wasn't violent or anything (in fact she's pretty dang loving and good tempered) but was in her own little world and needed all the attention of one adult to keep on task for even 30 secs. Her language was also delayed 6-9 months behind peers. Once she started talking, she would parrot you.. Ask a question - she would repeat it. Me - "What color is the truck?" Her - "What color is the truck?" Me - "Say - It is blue" Her - "Say it is blue." However, she could read - at age 2. Words like ornament, directory, preference... She began services a year ago and school last fall. And it's made a huge difference. Yesterday, I ran into one of the school evaluators that observed her prior to her initial IEP, and she was amazed at her progress - "She is a different child from the girl I saw last Summer". Her speech scores indicate that she is back with her peers in terms of language development, but much of what she says is "scripted" - i.e. phrases she has heard others say that she repeats (often with an appropriate phrase at the wrong time). Sometimes she is just another kid, sometimes she is awkward and sticks out like a sore thumb. All in all, long-term I feel good about her future... My advice for you is to talk with the doc, and if your concerns continue, contact your school. If you think that he needs to be evaluated, state that to the school clearly. They have very specific timelines they have to meet when a child is referred for testing. Hopefully, your son is just a little shy, but if you need services, this is a critical window for them. IM if I can help! I'm going to echo this post, my son just turned 6 and is PDD-NOS, He'd would have qualified as Asperger's had he not had a speech delay, early intervention is key, seeing other kids at services and listening, the ones who get a later Dx do poorly, I have a nephew who wasn't Dx until much later and frankly I'm concerned about how he's going to turn out and whether or not he will be able to make anything of himself in real world, my son has shown massive improvements since starting services and it was worth every penny. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:34:07 PM EDT
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Clearly your lack of knowledge on the subject is shiny through on the topic. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:34:27 PM EDT
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Bless your heart. You're team. Follow my link on page one and tell me the diagnosis is bullshit. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:36:26 PM EDT
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Clearly your lack of knowledge on the subject is shiny through on the topic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Clearly your lack of knowledge on the subject is shiny through on the topic. Yes my lack of being pumped full of BS from the Austism crowd is really showing through. If it was up to the Autism people, every kid would have some form of it. It is a joke. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:41:01 PM EDT
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Yes my lack of being pumped full of BS from the Austism crowd is really showing through. If it was up to the Autism people, every kid would have some form of it. It is a joke. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Clearly your lack of knowledge on the subject is shiny through on the topic. Yes my lack of being pumped full of BS from the Austism crowd is really showing through. If it was up to the Autism people, every kid would have some form of it. It is a joke. I'm not "autism people". I'm a father of 3, 1 of which is on the spectrum, and I also happen to be a Physician who has actually spent time actually learning the crap from people who know what they're talking about, who are also not "autism people". If you'd like, I'm sure I can point you in the proper direction to actually learn about the topic instead of just spewing vitriol in someone else thread. Just because you think that any kid which is an out of control asshole = asshole, just means you're an illinformed moron who likes to jump to conclusions. Your post is inflammatory just to be inflammatory and a waste of electrons, don't be an asshole. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:43:02 PM EDT
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Bless your heart. You're team. Follow my link on page one and tell me the diagnosis is bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Bless your heart. You're team. Follow my link on page one and tell me the diagnosis is bullshit. I'm sure you can see that I'm not talking about the child in your video. I'm referring to the morons in this country that want to label their kid as Autistic just because they are acting like crazy kids. I'm not talking about anyone that might have actual problems (or whatever that correct way to say that is). I know people with kids that have been diagnosed with Aspergers, and it is complete bullshit. Their kids are completely normal. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:43:49 PM EDT
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Wow! |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:49:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My GF has a 20 yr old with Aspergers. He's high functioning (she says) as he has a mild job (mail room) & drives (locally). What do I need to know?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A few years ago, a female co-worker was talking about her autistic child and Asperger's. I was driving home from work that morning and it dawned on me that my 26 year old son had Aspergers. When he was a baby/ toddler, he would always play by himself and never came to us for a hug and things like that. Growing up, he would do well in school in things that he liked and sucked at things he didn't like. He was always socially awkward and never seamed the be developed to the level of his peers. He was born in 1986 and Aspergers wasn't an official diagnoses until 1991. btw, I have been a nurse since 1991.  My GF has a 20 yr old with Aspergers. He's high functioning (she says) as he has a mild job (mail room) & drives (locally). What do I need to know? RUN!!! Unless you are prepared to help take care of him for the rest of your life if you choose to stay with her for the long term. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:49:28 PM EDT
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Watch out boys, we got a badass here! 
In seriousness, diagnosed too often? Maybe. Totally made up? 'Fraid not. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:49:39 PM EDT
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. You're probably one of the worst possible scenarios that an Autistic child could face. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:55:16 PM EDT
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. NO ONE! wants to see their child "Labled" but to be in denial is not the answer either. Seen a freinds kid messed up !!!! |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 10:56:04 PM EDT
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Watch out boys, we got a badass here!
In seriousness, diagnosed too often? Maybe. Totally made up? 'Fraid not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Watch out boys, we got a badass here!
In seriousness, diagnosed too often? Maybe. Totally made up? 'Fraid not. I never said it was totally made up, but most of it is BS. What was ADD 20 years ago is Autism today. I'm sure when I was in Elementary school I would have been considered Autistic by today's standards. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 11:03:08 PM EDT
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I'm sure you can see that I'm not talking about the child in your video. I'm referring to the morons in this country that want to label their kid as Autistic just because they are acting like crazy kids. I'm not talking about anyone that might have actual problems (or whatever that correct way to say that is). I know people with kids that have been diagnosed with Aspergers, and it is complete bullshit. Their kids are completely normal. My post above is the first post on this forum about my daughter's condition... I have previously refrained even when I thought it might be helpful, because of people like you. She is likely a child that you would call "completely normal" because she is cute as a button and can melt your heart with her big green eyes (yes - she makes eye contact just fine when she wants to manipulate you and doesn't have to talk at the same time). However, a year ago, she would not have acknowledged that you were in the room. She needed some very targeted help to get to where she is today, and I am thankful we fought to it get it. To your point, I will agree that there are cases where bad parenting has been diagnosed as ASD. I have seen it, know it, and could prove it. However, your gross generalization about ASD is idiotic, uninformed, and lacking in logic. Some adjustment of the screening and diagnosis of ASD is likely to come soon, but the overwhelming majority (90% or better) of kids I know would still qualify. Ultimately, I promise you this, if you had a child with ASD, you would move Heaven and Earth to make sure everything that could be done to help was applied. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 11:16:06 PM EDT
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My daughter was diagnosed on the spectrum about 3 years ago. She is considered high functioning.
We knew early on something was off, we felt that was due to our parenting, and we tried virtually every parenting style. When she was in school, she was considered a perfect student. Intelligent with extremely strong vocabulary, (at under two years of age she was talking in full paragraphs, with proper grammer), strict obedience to the rules in class. However, when she got home from school she would fall apart due to all the perceived slights from others. My daughter could not identify friendly behavior from the other kids. Everything was considered a slight. She could keep it together at school. Additionally, she had huge sensory issues with fabric, food and noises. Any of those could set her into a melt down that was difficult to get her out of it. We met with a occupational therapist and a shrink prior to having her tested. Their initial assessment was she would likely be considered aspbergers (except that diagnosis had just gone away). Everyone was a bit shocked to see how far along the spectrum her diagnosis actually was. It's surprising that she is actually high functioning. She still has lots of difficulties. For example, she cant really tell tonal differences in voices. Talk calmly and quietly and she will often interpret it as angry yelling. But she has made some huge progress. We had to change her diet (now gluten and dairy free, and we don't allow her to have anything with certain dyes), and that made a huge difference. We have to be very careful with the clothes she wears, as her sensory issues are still intense. We just adopted a dog to train as a service dog for her, and we are now home schooling her as well. We also had to learn techniques to get her to slow down and really listen to tonal variations. She will always have difficulties, but she will function okay. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 11:17:44 PM EDT
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I never said it was totally made up, but most of it is BS. What was ADD 20 years ago is Autism today. I'm sure when I was in Elementary school I would have been considered Autistic by today's standards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I never said it was totally made up, but most of it is BS. What was ADD 20 years ago is Autism today. I'm sure when I was in Elementary school I would have been considered Autistic by today's standards. To quote myself: If you took one or two possible symptoms in isolation, hell - we all would be labeled Autistic.. It is the totality of the symptoms that is important... And, they have to be persistent across time and various situations - school, play, home, church. There are *distinct* communications deficiencies that accompany the condition. Even verbal children display them (i.e. - lack of humor, not understanding euphemisms, extreme literalism). |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 12:00:27 AM EDT
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My son was diagnosed at age 6. He is high functioning. I suspected something was up from the time he was 2. He has distinct food issues, particularly with texture. He'll eat most vegetables raw but won't touch them cooked. He only will eat one kind of hotdog. We tried every other brand, but he can tell the difference.
The big issue is sound sensitivity. He just freaks out. It tooks years to get him to even be outside for fireworks. (He loves watching things blow up; it made it really hard to understand his behavior before the diagnosis.) We found movies to be easier for him if he sat in the back where the main volume wasn't as loud. We still see him plugging his ears during loud or intense moments. He struggles anytime we change the schedule up. Even when it's to do something fun that he usually would want to do. He doesn't get emotions. We work with him by walking him through empathy manually. Something's he is doing well with, but school is a struggle and always will be. The biggest thing for us was the diagnosis because it opened up many resources to address the education and behavioral issues. Get your kid evaluated early and by a trusted doc. My son basically got screwed over in 1st grade, had a terrible year didn't learn anything and just shut down inspite of everything's my that my wife and I tried. His second go around in 1st grade was night and day with the interventions put in place. It still is lacking, he's still behind in reading. He knows far more about history and science than kids 5 years older than him. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 12:14:41 AM EDT
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at the risk of being labeled as ass, in all my years of working with pediatric cases and their parents I think a lot of childhood behavioral issues are bogus diagnosis by pediatricians for numerous reasons. 1- toss a kid in front of a TV with little or no human companionship from an Adult- wahlaaa -social introvert. 2- send a kid to most types of day care with little human companionship from an Adult- wahlaaa -social introvert 3- jack a kid up on 1 lb of sugar every 4 hours.. wahlaa Autism, ADD.. whatever else you label it. 4- show poor discipline to a child.. - see above.. the sad ped cases are the drug and FAS babies. you name it, they have it in real time. most of my colleagues came to the realization years ago that there was a systematic correlation with daycare ( modern- since 1990), diet and discipline with the increase of childhood behavioral issues. then you have parents who want little Johnny to be special. the best article in any med journal I have read came to the conclusion that it was like minded people (ie- introverted nerds) mating with like minded people ( Ie- introverted nerds) since many spouses today were meeting their spouses/baby momma/baby daddy on the job. I realize that there are a lot of kids with problems, but some of their counselors and drs are playing up the latest diagnosis craze in a lot of cases. they don't get paid if you ever get fixed. they need return clients to make the office run. they are also under pressure from public school systems ( and Parents) to increase the numbers or diagnosis for higher daily reimbursement from the .gov for children with disabilities and disorders. my favorite memory from a Ped Office was this baby momma with 3 kids under 11. they were being Tasmanian Devils in the hallway, she was barking orders left and right with no correction from the kids. I look close, they all had either an Dr Pepper or Mountain Dew in the hand while eating pure sugar ( candy bar to a a ring sucker). the entire time she was telling them they were going to get their meds adjusted. You'll never get on Oprah or write a best selling book by spouting logic and common sense. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 6:46:22 AM EDT
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I'll probably be labeled an asshole but in all seriousness..... RUN!!! Unless you are prepared to help take care of him for the rest of your life if you choose to stay with her for the long term. Yes, I already know he'll be with us in some way or form for the rest of our lives. I'm ok with that as she & he are a package deal, IMO. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 8:02:55 AM EDT
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I never said it was totally made up, but most of it is BS. What was ADD 20 years ago is Autism today. I'm sure when I was in Elementary school I would have been considered Autistic by today's standards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Watch out boys, we got a badass here!
In seriousness, diagnosed too often? Maybe. Totally made up? 'Fraid not. I never said it was totally made up, but most of it is BS. What was ADD 20 years ago is Autism today. I'm sure when I was in Elementary school I would have been considered Autistic by today's standards. Autistic? Nah. An asshole? Yes. Try taking ipsilateral up on his offer. Since we know you won't, how is "most of it" and "99% of it" bullshit? Fill us in. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 8:51:30 AM EDT
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What warning signs did you see that first tipped you off and what age was the diagnosis? I'm starting to think my 4yo son may be showing some. For Team. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_75/1749163_Oh_my_God__It_spins______What_it_really_looks_like_.html I viewed this the other day- not sure if I commented on it but it shows your love for him and how a "light" can come on when a certain stimuli triggers his interests. Thank you for posting that. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 8:54:39 AM EDT
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That's on the spectrum-does he have any peculiar or overly strong interests or preferences? Not the "I love dinosaurs" but "I excessively talk about dinosaurs to the exclusion of everything else, even when the person I'm talking to tuned me out 20 minutes ago". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does he have trouble with social situations? (recognizing body language etc.) I had trouble with that until I was in 8th grade. I'd say in social situations he doesn't really talk to people. He kind of shrugs shoulders and makes weird faces. He'll talk to me and my wife and his sister and maybe other familiar relatives, but like with relatives he doesn't know he gets a little weird. I chalked it up to shyness but its one of the things that makes me wonder. That's one thing I don't see- no "laser-like" focus on any one particular thing. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 9:12:26 AM EDT
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I'm very interested in this as my son's pediatrician suspects Aspergers on him. He'll be three in a month.
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Posted: 5/29/2015 9:24:45 AM EDT
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Interesting thread. I wonder, is this more common now for some reason, or has it always been around at this rate but we can just identify it now? That's been my curiosity while reading this thread as well. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 10:47:19 AM EDT
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Interesting thread. I wonder, is this more common now for some reason, or has it always been around at this rate but we can just identify it now? That's been my curiosity while reading this thread as well. There's more government, and more money in it now. Many years ago, all you had was a weird kid. Now we have all sorts of conditions, syndromes, disorders, and abnormal behaviors, as well as vast numbers of functionaries who are poised to jump in and "help", with forms, schedules, regulations, goals, plans, meetings, programs, and so on. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 11:05:13 AM EDT
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I highly recommend this book, probably at your library or save the trouble and just buy it, I read it twice.
Look Me in the Eye ETA: not a medical type book, just a true story. |
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Posted: 5/29/2015 12:10:43 PM EDT
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My son is now 17. He is very high functioning on the spectrum. His primary issue is social interaction. He is very social and empathetic toward family and his cat. He doesn't have a clue of the name of the person that has sat next to him in band for the last 5 years.
He has a one track mind. He has been interested in nuclear physics since about 3rd grade. He is brilliant. The only class he struggles in is English because you have to read a book (simple), write a paper using the rules of English (simple), and express your feelings about the story. (Nearly impossible for him. The book evokes no feelings in him.) Recently he has been interested in the history of the English language. I've learned more about old English than I ever thought possible. Why? Because he has to tell someone about his discoveries. He is very similar to Sheldon on Big Bang Theory. He'll make a great professor someday. I just wonder if he'll ever give me grandchildren. I've recognized a few issues from his past in other posts in this thread. Hopefully, those parents will be as fortunate as me and their child will grow out of some of their difficulties as mine has. For example: Fisher Boy fish sticks - NO SUBSTITUTIONS!! "I cannot stop reading this book / doing my homework / this task/ etc. because I haven't finished yet." We were clued in to Asperger's by his 5th grade teacher who has an Aspie child. We avoided the proper diagnosis for a while because we didn't want a "broken" child. But we came to a point where we needed help. We got the diagnosis and professional help which made a world of difference in our lives. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 2:38:25 PM EDT
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Et2ss I'm sorry you feel that way but I know how frustrating having
An Aspie kid can be. There are times when I'm frustrated with my son And agree that he's hard to love... Especially after spending 20 minutes Trying to get him to tell the truth about something. There are times when I've thought of shipping him off to The military or a military school but don't think The military would accept him and can't afford military School so we continue to deal with him. I don't know What else to say other than you do what you feel you Need to do but I sincerely hope that you look out For the best interests of your son as well as the rest Of your family. When he's in school and in his resource class That is composed of all the other kids just like him It is plainly obvious that there is something not right With him or them because they all have similar Jerky movements. It's kind of like watching a flock Of birds move around. But he enjoys the class and is really Showing that the schools attention and efforts are paying Off. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 2:43:16 PM EDT
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This thread and others like it are good for populating the old ignore list.
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Posted: 7/10/2015 2:58:30 PM EDT
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I still appreciate all of the responses so far.
I'm still kind of watching my son for certain signs. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:04:36 PM EDT
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80-85% of your experience sounds like my boy. He just graduated, barely. He's smart as shit but doesn't want to do his work. Aces about all of the tests. Still doesn't have his license & plays with legos & action figures. I know he'll never be able to hold down a job. Kid won't do a damn thing he's told to do. He thinks he's ALWAYS right even when he's dead wrong. Some days I can't even look at him I am so disgusted. It's really hard to love him. He has outbursts of violence when he doesn't get his way or his mom takes one of his toys from him as a punishment. Last time she did that he broke a door out of the frame to get his kindle. I know he has a problem but I am seriously thinking of throwing him out when he's 18 in a few months. I can't handle it anymore the fact that you would consider abandoning your offspring is probably the reason it acts out, but im sure you wont understand this before its too late |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:22:22 PM EDT
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I'd say in social situations he doesn't really talk to people. He kind of shrugs shoulders and makes weird faces. He'll talk to me and my wife and his sister and maybe other familiar relatives, but like with relatives he doesn't know he gets a little weird. I chalked it up to shyness but its one of the things that makes me wonder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does he have trouble with social situations? (recognizing body language etc.) I had trouble with that until I was in 8th grade. I'd say in social situations he doesn't really talk to people. He kind of shrugs shoulders and makes weird faces. He'll talk to me and my wife and his sister and maybe other familiar relatives, but like with relatives he doesn't know he gets a little weird. I chalked it up to shyness but its one of the things that makes me wonder. I have a cousins that do this to me, known them their whole life, but by god are they the most shy, untalkative, and awkward kids i've ever met. Nothings wrong with either of them, just the way they are. Some people just aren't very talkative. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:30:29 PM EDT
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Probably one of the biggest things is a lack of empathy. My 3yo daughter is full of it, the boy-not really at all. Pretty sure sign. Like was mentioned, Aspergers is no longer a valid term, a such behavior falls under Autism Spectrum Disorder per DSM-5. I can send a pm later when I am with a computer. Lots of information out there. Our son is very high functioning, was diagnosed very late, and has an IQ in the 140-150 range. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:32:55 PM EDT
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Humor is another thing aspergers kids often have trouble with. My kid has a fantastic sense of humor. At school this week they were playing Life. He came up with and expanded on how the game needed a failure path. Hilarious. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:47:52 PM EDT
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I never said it was totally made up, but most of it is BS. What was ADD 20 years ago is Autism today. I'm sure when I was in Elementary school I would have been considered Autistic by today's standards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If any doctor tried to diagnose any of my kids with any sort of Autism (unless they were Rainman) I would tell them to fuck off. 99% of it is bullshit. Kids can be bastards, it doesn't mean they have Autism. This world is becoming a bunch a hypochondriac morons that need a label and a drug for everything. Oh, and I don't give a shit of you think this post is insensitive, it is supposed to be. Watch out boys, we got a badass here!
In seriousness, diagnosed too often? Maybe. Totally made up? 'Fraid not. I never said it was totally made up, but most of it is BS. What was ADD 20 years ago is Autism today. I'm sure when I was in Elementary school I would have been considered Autistic by today's standards. Well you sure have the lack of empathy down. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 3:52:20 PM EDT
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is there any thing a older adult can do that show signs?
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Posted: 7/10/2015 4:12:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/10/2015 8:03:53 PM EDT
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is there any thing a older adult can do that show signs? Finding this out now, marriage counselor suggested that I may be. Wife says that it was like a light bulb went off. I have a hard time with feelings and communication in general. Extremely introverted, tend to fixate on things, I'll see or hear of something then spend a bunch of time researching all about it. Wife got tired of it, hence the counseling. Too late for that now. Keeping an eye on my son, he's 4, has some signs. Noises, one track mind, literalism. See how that goes. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 8:06:44 PM EDT
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at the risk of being labeled as ass, in all my years of working with pediatric cases and their parents I think a lot of childhood behavioral issues are bogus diagnosis by pediatricians for numerous reasons. 1- toss a kid in front of a TV with little or no human companionship from an Adult- wahlaaa -social introvert. 2- send a kid to most types of day care with little human companionship from an Adult- wahlaaa -social introvert 3- jack a kid up on 1 lb of sugar every 4 hours.. wahlaa Autism, ADD.. whatever else you label it. 4- show poor discipline to a child.. - see above. It's voila, not wahlaa. |
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Posted: 7/10/2015 8:08:55 PM EDT
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My son was 2 1/2 when diagnosed.
He stopped speaking shortly after the mmr shot. He showed the typical signs of aspergers: stimming, fixations. He is now 19. Drives. Is a sophomore in college with a 3.0 gpa. Still doesn't like to be around people, issues with change. |
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