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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:32:15 PM EDT
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Oh well. We've seen it with people wanting to transfer from stores down there to stores in a more friendly area.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:34:33 PM EDT
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Maybe the residents of Baltimore should demand more aggressive policing. When the zoo keepers get ran out of the zoo, calamity ensues.... |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:35:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They wanted less police involvement in their lives, they got it. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:36:40 PM EDT
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Okay, fine I'm a loon. 
"Big fed raid" aside, I don't think there are many departments in the US that could operate without the resource assistance and exemptions from federal law (i.e. NFA/GCA) given by the feds. I'm sure there are some. Again, after 9/11, the feds completely took over (and goat-fucked) the entire airport security industry in less than a year. To think that given the right impetus they couldn't take over a police department or two just doesn't make sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look, I know that this whole evil govt thing you have going is central to your world view, but you are making yourself look like a loon. BTW> Feds would be a step down in pay and bennies. Quite a bit for some of us. Okay, fine I'm a loon.
"Big fed raid" aside, I don't think there are many departments in the US that could operate without the resource assistance and exemptions from federal law (i.e. NFA/GCA) given by the feds. I'm sure there are some. Again, after 9/11, the feds completely took over (and goat-fucked) the entire airport security industry in less than a year. To think that given the right impetus they couldn't take over a police department or two just doesn't make sense. States explicitly have the rights to dictate police and fire. . . just how it works. And I'm guessing if the states started to pay a fraction of what they provide to the feds (some of them not all) they'd have ample monies left over to provide their police with funding. The feds won't be having a hostile takeover of local police departments. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:37:58 PM EDT
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I am a realist, and I am extremely clear eyed. Never in my life have I expected the cops to do anything but extort and threaten me and mine. It beggars belief that anyone, no matter how naive or demented, could expect otherwise. WTFyea I'll double that one.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:38:48 PM EDT
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States explicitly have the rights to dictate police and fire. . . just how it works. States explicitly have all sorts of rights that the feds have already taken away.... |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:39:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI know that I say it often but I believe in my heart that there is a war brewing! I have never seen it this bad in my 15 years of working in the inner-city. That is a bit worrisome. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:40:01 PM EDT
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They wanted less police....now they got it. Fuck them.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:41:39 PM EDT
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That is a bit worrisome. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I know that I say it often but I believe in my heart that there is a war brewing! I have never seen it this bad in my 15 years of working in the inner-city. That is a bit worrisome. Nah. It can be used to water the tree of liberty, but I have a feeling many will want to use the water on the tree of tyranny instead. Oh well. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 4:44:41 PM EDT
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Do police really prevent crime? Or are they there just to arrest the wrongdoer's? Can't measure a negative. Did a cop that happened to stop at a 7-11 unwittingly stop what was about to be a robbery in progress? A cop patrolling a neighborhood foiling a burglary he never knew was just about to occur? |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:16:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI know that I say it often but I believe in my heart that there is a war brewing! 
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:16:37 PM EDT
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The feds can't shut down local LE. The feds have no constitutional authority to enforce state law. Where they have any authority to enforce state law, it is created and can be eliminated by state law. There are no federal laws covering most street crime (most robberies, rapes, murders, DUIs, vehicular homicides, burglaries, thefts, et c. et c.) If by some wizardry the feds managed to shut down a local LEA, LE authority would devolve to the state police, National Guard, and militia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Feds can pretty much de facto shut down any agency they want. If they can shut it down, they could take it over. Sure a lot of cops would jump ship, but what would the feds care? Plenty of people waiting to take those jobs, and if some people get hurt and shit gets burned down in the process, that's just going to make people want cops that much more.  The feds can't shut down local LE. The feds have no constitutional authority to enforce state law. Where they have any authority to enforce state law, it is created and can be eliminated by state law. There are no federal laws covering most street crime (most robberies, rapes, murders, DUIs, vehicular homicides, burglaries, thefts, et c. et c.) If by some wizardry the feds managed to shut down a local LEA, LE authority would devolve to the state police, National Guard, and militia. You really think that our illustrious leader really cares what he can or can not do legally or illegally, Constitutionally or unConstitutionally? Do you really think Lynch cares about such things? the democrat party cares? or any of the assholes that vote for Zero and his minions? |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:19:19 PM EDT
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You really think that our illustrious leader really cares what he can or can not do legally or illegally, Constitutionally or unConstitutionally? Do you really think Lynch cares about such things? the democrat party cares? or any of the assholes that vote for Zero and his minions? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Feds can pretty much de facto shut down any agency they want. If they can shut it down, they could take it over. Sure a lot of cops would jump ship, but what would the feds care? Plenty of people waiting to take those jobs, and if some people get hurt and shit gets burned down in the process, that's just going to make people want cops that much more. The feds can't shut down local LE. The feds have no constitutional authority to enforce state law. Where they have any authority to enforce state law, it is created and can be eliminated by state law. There are no federal laws covering most street crime (most robberies, rapes, murders, DUIs, vehicular homicides, burglaries, thefts, et c. et c.) If by some wizardry the feds managed to shut down a local LEA, LE authority would devolve to the state police, National Guard, and militia. You really think that our illustrious leader really cares what he can or can not do legally or illegally, Constitutionally or unConstitutionally? Do you really think Lynch cares about such things? the democrat party cares? or any of the assholes that vote for Zero and his minions? How exactly is he going to do it? Magic wand? Genie in a bottle? |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:20:34 PM EDT
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Meh, they were not careful what they wished for.
Instead of their wishes just getting them one hand full of shit they got both hands full and a bucket over their heads to boot. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:21:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLocal, county, and state agencies are empowered by the state and the people of that state. I don't think "shutting them down" will be that easy.
The Feds would care because they don't have the manpower to take over every agency in the USA nor do they have the resources to run one let alone hire people to do it. Do you realize how much it would take to hire? There are approx 700,000 local (state level or below) LEO in the USA. There are approx 100,000 Feds. How can the smaller group take over the bigger? It would spread things out too much 
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:21:58 PM EDT
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It's like hearing the Texans talk about the rain.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:22:16 PM EDT
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Okay, fine I'm a loon.
"Big fed raid" aside, I don't think there are many departments in the US that could operate without the resource assistance and exemptions from federal law (i.e. NFA/GCA) given by the feds. I'm sure there are some. Again, after 9/11, the feds completely took over (and goat-fucked) the entire airport security industry in less than a year. To think that given the right impetus they couldn't take over a police department or two just doesn't make sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look, I know that this whole evil govt thing you have going is central to your world view, but you are making yourself look like a loon. BTW> Feds would be a step down in pay and bennies. Quite a bit for some of us. Okay, fine I'm a loon.
"Big fed raid" aside, I don't think there are many departments in the US that could operate without the resource assistance and exemptions from federal law (i.e. NFA/GCA) given by the feds. I'm sure there are some. Again, after 9/11, the feds completely took over (and goat-fucked) the entire airport security industry in less than a year. To think that given the right impetus they couldn't take over a police department or two just doesn't make sense. Take it over and do what with it? You will not be seeing feds in patrol cars. As for fed money, you would be amazed how little there is. Everyone would survive just fine without it. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:26:14 PM EDT
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How exactly is he going to do it? Magic wand? Genie in a bottle? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Feds can pretty much de facto shut down any agency they want. If they can shut it down, they could take it over. Sure a lot of cops would jump ship, but what would the feds care? Plenty of people waiting to take those jobs, and if some people get hurt and shit gets burned down in the process, that's just going to make people want cops that much more. The feds can't shut down local LE. The feds have no constitutional authority to enforce state law. Where they have any authority to enforce state law, it is created and can be eliminated by state law. There are no federal laws covering most street crime (most robberies, rapes, murders, DUIs, vehicular homicides, burglaries, thefts, et c. et c.) If by some wizardry the feds managed to shut down a local LEA, LE authority would devolve to the state police, National Guard, and militia. You really think that our illustrious leader really cares what he can or can not do legally or illegally, Constitutionally or unConstitutionally? Do you really think Lynch cares about such things? the democrat party cares? or any of the assholes that vote for Zero and his minions? How exactly is he going to do it? Magic wand? Genie in a bottle? http://www.rollcall.com/news/Obama-issues-DREAM-order-215406-1.html |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:29:24 PM EDT
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Take it over and do what with it? You will not be seeing feds in patrol cars. As for fed money, you would be amazed how little there is. Everyone would survive just fine without it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look, I know that this whole evil govt thing you have going is central to your world view, but you are making yourself look like a loon. BTW> Feds would be a step down in pay and bennies. Quite a bit for some of us. Okay, fine I'm a loon.
"Big fed raid" aside, I don't think there are many departments in the US that could operate without the resource assistance and exemptions from federal law (i.e. NFA/GCA) given by the feds. I'm sure there are some. Again, after 9/11, the feds completely took over (and goat-fucked) the entire airport security industry in less than a year. To think that given the right impetus they couldn't take over a police department or two just doesn't make sense. Take it over and do what with it? You will not be seeing feds in patrol cars. As for fed money, you would be amazed how little there is. Everyone would survive just fine without it. I could see them trying to make all command positions Fed LEOs (or more likely Fed lawyers - who better to second guess the guys on the street than someone who has never had to do the job they're supervising). |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:30:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:38:14 PM EDT
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You really think that our illustrious leader really cares what he can or can not do legally or illegally, Constitutionally or unConstitutionally? Do you really think Lynch cares about such things? the democrat party cares? or any of the assholes that vote for Zero and his minions? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Feds can pretty much de facto shut down any agency they want. If they can shut it down, they could take it over. Sure a lot of cops would jump ship, but what would the feds care? Plenty of people waiting to take those jobs, and if some people get hurt and shit gets burned down in the process, that's just going to make people want cops that much more. The feds can't shut down local LE. The feds have no constitutional authority to enforce state law. Where they have any authority to enforce state law, it is created and can be eliminated by state law. There are no federal laws covering most street crime (most robberies, rapes, murders, DUIs, vehicular homicides, burglaries, thefts, et c. et c.) If by some wizardry the feds managed to shut down a local LEA, LE authority would devolve to the state police, National Guard, and militia. You really think that our illustrious leader really cares what he can or can not do legally or illegally, Constitutionally or unConstitutionally? Do you really think Lynch cares about such things? the democrat party cares? or any of the assholes that vote for Zero and his minions? What laws are they going to enforce if there ends up being a National Police Force? |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:39:58 PM EDT
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I feel sorry for any folks living there who weren't protesting, and did appreciate the role of the police. But those are the only people I feel sorry for. I feel bad for all 3 of them too. 
Yeah, I didn't want to assume any quantity of people who appreciate the police.  I do assume that someone in Baltimore does. And for them, I feel sympathy.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:40:11 PM EDT
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Something tells me he'd try really, really hard to alleviate that problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Local, county, and state agencies are empowered by the state and the people of that state. I don't think "shutting them down" will be that easy.
The Feds would care because they don't have the manpower to take over every agency in the USA nor do they have the resources to run one let alone hire people to do it. Do you realize how much it would take to hire? There are approx 700,000 local (state level or below) LEO in the USA. There are approx 100,000 Feds. How can the smaller group take over the bigger? It would spread things out too much https://youtu.be/Tt2yGzHfy7s
Something tells me he'd try really, really hard to alleviate that problem. So you think that the US Military is going to come in to every state, county, and municipality to enforce martial law so that 0bama can set up a National Police Force with the people he just fired and took over with force? |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:41:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:42:17 PM EDT
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Hell, yea lets get this shit going all the police should quit working.
6 months of total fucking anarchy would do america some good, would be a hell of a lot less useless fucks that cant take care of themselves. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:43:57 PM EDT
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They are also a deterrent. How many law abiding people would commit crimes if there wasn't any threat of punishment? Consequences for their actions. Yes there are people who are not deterred by consequences but most people are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do police really prevent crime? Or are they there just to arrest the wrongdoer's? Prevent? Rarely, sometimes, but rarely. But they DO prevent the next crime that arrested "poor misunderstood" person would have committed...wait...police actually do something productive? No way. They are also a deterrent. How many law abiding people would commit crimes if there wasn't any threat of punishment? Consequences for their actions. Yes there are people who are not deterred by consequences but most people are. This truly depends, how likely someone is to get killed has A LOT to do with how likely they are to do that crime. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:44:13 PM EDT
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What laws are they going to enforce if there ends up being a National Police Force? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Feds can pretty much de facto shut down any agency they want. If they can shut it down, they could take it over. Sure a lot of cops would jump ship, but what would the feds care? Plenty of people waiting to take those jobs, and if some people get hurt and shit gets burned down in the process, that's just going to make people want cops that much more. The feds can't shut down local LE. The feds have no constitutional authority to enforce state law. Where they have any authority to enforce state law, it is created and can be eliminated by state law. There are no federal laws covering most street crime (most robberies, rapes, murders, DUIs, vehicular homicides, burglaries, thefts, et c. et c.) If by some wizardry the feds managed to shut down a local LEA, LE authority would devolve to the state police, National Guard, and militia. You really think that our illustrious leader really cares what he can or can not do legally or illegally, Constitutionally or unConstitutionally? Do you really think Lynch cares about such things? the democrat party cares? or any of the assholes that vote for Zero and his minions? What laws are they going to enforce if there ends up being a National Police Force? presidential edicts.............presidential executive orders............. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:45:14 PM EDT
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They should feel abandoned by the Mayor, not the cops.
Cops are just doing what the mayor wants, which is nothing. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:47:14 PM EDT
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I could see them trying to make all command positions Fed LEOs (or more likely Fed lawyers - who better to second guess the guys on the street than someone who has never had to do the job they're supervising). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look, I know that this whole evil govt thing you have going is central to your world view, but you are making yourself look like a loon. BTW> Feds would be a step down in pay and bennies. Quite a bit for some of us. Okay, fine I'm a loon.
"Big fed raid" aside, I don't think there are many departments in the US that could operate without the resource assistance and exemptions from federal law (i.e. NFA/GCA) given by the feds. I'm sure there are some. Again, after 9/11, the feds completely took over (and goat-fucked) the entire airport security industry in less than a year. To think that given the right impetus they couldn't take over a police department or two just doesn't make sense. Take it over and do what with it? You will not be seeing feds in patrol cars. As for fed money, you would be amazed how little there is. Everyone would survive just fine without it. I could see them trying to make all command positions Fed LEOs (or more likely Fed lawyers - who better to second guess the guys on the street than someone who has never had to do the job they're supervising). Not legal under state law or federal for that matter. I see another poster is well into Alcoa territory, don't go there too. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:47:39 PM EDT
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They should feel abandoned by the Mayor, not the cops. Cops are just doing what the mayor wants, which is nothing. the cops are covering their asses, which amounts to the same thing, really how can anyone blame them? |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:48:50 PM EDT
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Not legal under state law or federal for that matter. I see another poster is well into Alcoa territory, don't go there too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look, I know that this whole evil govt thing you have going is central to your world view, but you are making yourself look like a loon. BTW> Feds would be a step down in pay and bennies. Quite a bit for some of us. Okay, fine I'm a loon.
"Big fed raid" aside, I don't think there are many departments in the US that could operate without the resource assistance and exemptions from federal law (i.e. NFA/GCA) given by the feds. I'm sure there are some. Again, after 9/11, the feds completely took over (and goat-fucked) the entire airport security industry in less than a year. To think that given the right impetus they couldn't take over a police department or two just doesn't make sense. Take it over and do what with it? You will not be seeing feds in patrol cars. As for fed money, you would be amazed how little there is. Everyone would survive just fine without it. I could see them trying to make all command positions Fed LEOs (or more likely Fed lawyers - who better to second guess the guys on the street than someone who has never had to do the job they're supervising). Not legal under state law or federal for that matter. I see another poster is well into Alcoa territory, don't go there too. How would that be a problem for a bunch of community organizers? Not saying they'd be successful, just that they'd probably try. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:49:16 PM EDT
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Feds can pretty much de facto shut down any agency they want. If they can shut it down, they could take it over. Sure a lot of cops would jump ship, but what would the feds care? Plenty of people waiting to take those jobs, and if some people get hurt and shit gets burned down in the process, that's just going to make people want cops that much more. The feds can't shut down local LE. The feds have no constitutional authority to enforce state law. Where they have any authority to enforce state law, it is created and can be eliminated by state law. There are no federal laws covering most street crime (most robberies, rapes, murders, DUIs, vehicular homicides, burglaries, thefts, et c. et c.) If by some wizardry the feds managed to shut down a local LEA, LE authority would devolve to the state police, National Guard, and militia. You really think that our illustrious leader really cares what he can or can not do legally or illegally, Constitutionally or unConstitutionally? Do you really think Lynch cares about such things? the democrat party cares? or any of the assholes that vote for Zero and his minions? What laws are they going to enforce if there ends up being a National Police Force? presidential edicts.............presidential executive orders............. Which are completely illegal and unenforcable. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:52:50 PM EDT
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You really think that our illustrious leader really cares what he can or can not do legally or illegally, Constitutionally or unConstitutionally? Do you really think Lynch cares about such things? the democrat party cares? or any of the assholes that vote for Zero and his minions? What laws are they going to enforce if there ends up being a National Police Force? presidential edicts.............presidential executive orders............. Which are completely illegal and unenforcable.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 5:57:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At 52, the two bad cops I've encountered were in Ensenada and Mexico City. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am a realist, and I am extremely clear eyed. Never in my life have I expected the cops to do anything but extort and threaten me and mine. It beggars belief that anyone, no matter how naive or demented, could expect otherwise. Dont be a criminal shithead and they generally leave you alone. That's been my experience as well, I'm 42 and have never had a bad interaction with a cop in an official capacity. Now sure, I've had a couple my wallet didn't like, but those were speeding tickets and the blame for both was totally on me and not the officer writing them. At 52, the two bad cops I've encountered were in Ensenada and Mexico City. Well Mexican Police are gonna do Mexican Police sort of things, so that doesn't come as a real shock. I lived 12 miles from the Mexican border in AZ for a while and had no desire whatsoever to go further south than Douglas. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:01:30 PM EDT
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I agree but most did not stand up and state that fact at the time. Many (at least in my inner-city) are still spouting the stupid lines (Black lives matter and Hand's up, Don't shoot). I heard it quite a few times this last Sunday from members (not just teens but even from adults that have been with me for 3-4 years) on my congregation. All they talked about on the van ride into church was Ferguson (Black lives matter and Hand's up, Don't shoot), Baltimore, Cleveland and the 4 (Business man, wife , son and house keeper) killed (in their words) "the white dude messed up, he was doing a drug deal that went really wrong and he got his family killed". And this is what my people were willing to talk about and share publicly (some-what guarded) in front of me. I know that I say it often but I believe in my heart that there is a war brewing! I have never seen it this bad in my 15 years of working in the inner-city. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They wanted less police involvement in their lives, they got it. A lot of the "they" who were on TV rioting were people paid to be there who don't live there. I agree but most did not stand up and state that fact at the time. Many (at least in my inner-city) are still spouting the stupid lines (Black lives matter and Hand's up, Don't shoot). I heard it quite a few times this last Sunday from members (not just teens but even from adults that have been with me for 3-4 years) on my congregation. All they talked about on the van ride into church was Ferguson (Black lives matter and Hand's up, Don't shoot), Baltimore, Cleveland and the 4 (Business man, wife , son and house keeper) killed (in their words) "the white dude messed up, he was doing a drug deal that went really wrong and he got his family killed". And this is what my people were willing to talk about and share publicly (some-what guarded) in front of me. I know that I say it often but I believe in my heart that there is a war brewing! I have never seen it this bad in my 15 years of working in the inner-city. Dude it's done brewing, it's ready to drink. Check the local news, Bon W crime is very high and nothing said about it or done about it. The kettle is boiling over. The good people of your congregation continue to repeat and believe the crap they are sold and will end up being victims of their own ignorance. Good Luck to you and God bless you! I would be un-assing that AO immediately. Protect yourself and your family and scoot out of there as soon as possible. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:05:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:05:42 PM EDT
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Do police really prevent crime? Or are they there just to arrest the wrongdoer's? Ask all those retards who would have been slaughtered at the Muhammad drawing contest a couple of weeks ago in TX. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:13:24 PM EDT
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The mayor doesn't like questions about it, that's rude and stuff http://youtu.be/HHce3PYELOs Stop X'ing tough questions, yo! |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:19:51 PM EDT
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Do police really prevent crime? Or are they there just to arrest the wrongdoer's? Ask all those retards who would have been slaughtered at the Muhammad drawing contest a couple of weeks ago in TX. Why are those people are "retards," Goober? |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:21:00 PM EDT
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Ask all those retards who would have been slaughtered at the Muhammad drawing contest a couple of weeks ago in TX. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do police really prevent crime? Or are they there just to arrest the wrongdoer's? Ask all those retards who would have been slaughtered at the Muhammad drawing contest a couple of weeks ago in TX. A technicality, they didn't prevent the commission of a crime they simply provided an abrupt violent halt to its continuance. 
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:26:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:26:50 PM EDT
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if they are terrified they can start by recalling the Mayor.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:28:51 PM EDT
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Over-policing? The area was crime-ridden before the riots right? So really, they didn't have enough policing, and not enough lawful gun owners, and too many thugs. The citizens can't seem to admit that it is a disfunctional culture of failure and thuggery. "Over-policing" is probably closer to meaning they wanted to get away with their own crimes, and wanted the police to look the other way for anything short of murder. Any actual arrests and things are considered "over-policing" because criminals want NO policing. The citizens seemed to side with the criminals and if they support crime it only makes sense that they would experience the consequences. This is exactly the policing they wanted - none.
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:31:09 PM EDT
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I am a realist, and I am extremely clear eyed. Never in my life have I expected the cops to do anything but extort and threaten me and mine. It beggars belief that anyone, no matter how naive or demented, could expect otherwise. Lol |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:31:31 PM EDT
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States explicitly have the rights to dictate police and fire. . . just how it works. And I'm guessing [b]if the states started to pay a fraction of what they provide to the feds (some of them not all) they'd have ample monies left over to provide their police with funding. The feds won't be having a hostile takeover of local police departments.[/b[ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look, I know that this whole evil govt thing you have going is central to your world view, but you are making yourself look like a loon. BTW> Feds would be a step down in pay and bennies. Quite a bit for some of us. Okay, fine I'm a loon.
"Big fed raid" aside, I don't think there are many departments in the US that could operate without the resource assistance and exemptions from federal law (i.e. NFA/GCA) given by the feds. I'm sure there are some. Again, after 9/11, the feds completely took over (and goat-fucked) the entire airport security industry in less than a year. To think that given the right impetus they couldn't take over a police department or two just doesn't make sense. States explicitly have the rights to dictate police and fire. . . just how it works. And I'm guessing [b]if the states started to pay a fraction of what they provide to the feds (some of them not all) they'd have ample monies left over to provide their police with funding. The feds won't be having a hostile takeover of local police departments.[/b[ THIS. The Feds take over easily by threatening legal actions plus funding cutoff and the local governments fold. Already happened in almost 3 dozen cities since Zero took over. DOJ threatens, then offers a deal where DOJ takes over leadership in the PD and the city signs the consent decree that gives up local control to the Feds. Cleveland is the most recent example, following Ferguson and St Louis, and Baltimore will be the next. It won't be a police chief appointed by DC to run the department. It will be someone like a KGB political officer who monitors the department to ensure policies comply with federal edict and to keep track on the loyalties of higher level department personnel. And as time goes on the loyalty of anyone who advances in the department will be tied to their support of the regime. Think of how the military's senior officers corps is so highly politicized with administration bootlickers and figure that the nations' police forces are in danger of going the same way. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:34:07 PM EDT
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Leave the people to their own vices. What else do they want?
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:37:21 PM EDT
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So when does Baltimore become Bartertown?
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:38:56 PM EDT
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"You don't need a gun to protect you, that is why we have the police." - a common refrain from the gun-grabbers. Now they have neither. How is that Liberal-Progressive government working out for you Baltimore? Sounds like they have plenty of guns. |
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:46:04 PM EDT
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Taking over every urban police department in the country wouldn't be a ripple in the pond compared to what they've done to the health care industry....
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Posted: 5/28/2015 6:49:02 PM EDT
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Over-policing? The area was crime-ridden before the riots right? So really, they didn't have enough policing, and not enough lawful gun owners, and too many thugs. The citizens can't seem to admit that it is a disfunctional culture of failure and thuggery. "Over-policing" is probably closer to meaning they wanted to get away with their own crimes, and wanted the police to look the other way for anything short of murder. Any actual arrests and things are considered "over-policing" because criminals want NO policing. The citizens seemed to side with the criminals and if they support crime it only makes sense that they would experience the consequences. This is exactly the policing they wanted - none. This is true. And it's gonna spread. |
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