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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:39:43 PM EDT
Should Remington warranty this Action Bar Sleeve for the 1187?
EDIT: I initially assumed rust caused perforation, what exactly are we seeing here? Stress cracks? 
The new one is on the right. 
The gun is less than six months old with a few thousand rounds through it. The gun is cleaned and oiled regularly and so far has not had any other problems. I have not yet contacted Remington about this issue. Thanks! |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:40:59 PM EDT
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I don't see any rust.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:42:12 PM EDT
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I think they machined that part too much.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:44:01 PM EDT
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Your pics do not seem to be showing the rust well.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:45:31 PM EDT
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I don't see any rust. I assume the perforation you see was caused by Rust, I also thought about stress cracks.....but not sure. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:46:06 PM EDT
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What rust?
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:47:28 PM EDT
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By "Rust" I mean that it has caused the perforation you see. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see any rust. By "Rust" I mean that it has caused the perforation you see. Has it had an effect on the operation of the gun? I can see them not doing anything about it as it's not like the rust is a factory defect. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:48:48 PM EDT
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if that is crack then yes. If its rust then just clean it up.
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:50:05 PM EDT
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I think they machined that part too much with a Dremel. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:51:06 PM EDT
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Has it had an effect on the operation of the gun? I can see them not doing anything about it as it's not like the rust is a factory defect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see any rust. By "Rust" I mean that it has caused the perforation you see. Has it had an effect on the operation of the gun? I can see them not doing anything about it as it's not like the rust is a factory defect. The gun functions flawlessly and I love it. |
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:59:55 PM EDT
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Its clearly defective, but it looks like you already have a new part in your possession, not sure what you would want them to do in this situation.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:05:33 AM EDT
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Its clearly defective, but it looks like you already have a new part in your possession, not sure what you would want them to do in this situation. I bought a new one, I would ask for another one or reimbursement of some type....hell, I might settle for a coupon! |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:12:16 AM EDT
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I just picked one up this week and haven't had the chance to take it out. Have you had any trouble with the gun other than that?
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:13:54 AM EDT
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bad casting
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:14:01 AM EDT
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I just picked one up this week and haven't had the chance to take it out. Have you had any trouble with the gun other than that? The gun functions flawlessly and I love it....no other issues. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:14:19 AM EDT
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I think they machined that part too much with a Dremel. I rost. 
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:14:59 AM EDT
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I don't know how that part is manufactured (MIM, forged, machined from bar stock or tube) but the crack in the flat area is clearly a defect (and probably not caused by rust).
Remington should pay for a replacement but it would have been better to ask them to send a replacement rather than buying one (which is what I assume you did). They might balk at reimbursing you for a part you bought since they'd probably rather just send you the part. Maybe call them and see what they say? I'll guess that they'll offer to send a new part and that you'll have to get a refund from whoever you bought the replacement from. ETA: the replacement part has milling marks so it's probably machined from a solid or tube. The original part doesn't (in the pics) so I'm guessing MIM and that the crack is a MIM manufacturing defect. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:15:08 AM EDT
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bad casting That isn't a casting. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:21:27 AM EDT
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I don't know how that part is manufactured (MIM, forged, machined from bar stock or tube) but the crack in the flat area is clearly a defect (and probably not caused by rust). Remington should pay for a replacement but it would have been better to ask them to send a replacement rather than buying one (which is what I assume you did). They might balk at reimbursing you for a part you bought since they'd probably rather just send you the part. Maybe call them and see what they say? I'll guess that they'll offer to send a new part and that you'll have to get a refund from whoever you bought the replacement from. ETA: the replacement part has milling marks so it's probably machined from a solid or tube. The original part doesn't (in the pics) so I'm guessing MIM and that the crack is a MIM manufacturing defect. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:25:19 AM EDT
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Tolerance stack. The material got thin. If it bothers you, give them a call, and I bet they'd take care of you.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:26:37 AM EDT
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Here is another photo, what are we looking at here? A stress crack?
Reason? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:28:33 AM EDT
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Here is another photo, what are we looking at here? A stress crack? http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt342/sellmytires/Remington_1187_Action_bar_sleeve-rusted-3_zpsuabf3olv.jpg Reason? What color is the edge of the cracks? Black or silver? |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:30:10 AM EDT
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Here is another photo, what are we looking at here? A stress crack? http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt342/sellmytires/Remington_1187_Action_bar_sleeve-rusted-3_zpsuabf3olv.jpg Reason? That flat was machined down too far and into the hole for the magazine tube. It should have never made it out of the machine shop. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:38:34 AM EDT
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I don't know how that part is manufactured (MIM, forged, machined from bar stock or tube) but the crack in the flat area is clearly a defect (and probably not caused by rust). Remington should pay for a replacement but it would have been better to ask them to send a replacement rather than buying one (which is what I assume you did). They might balk at reimbursing you for a part you bought since they'd probably rather just send you the part. Maybe call them and see what they say? I'll guess that they'll offer to send a new part and that you'll have to get a refund from whoever you bought the replacement from. ETA: the replacement part has milling marks so it's probably machined from a solid or tube. The original part doesn't (in the pics) so I'm guessing MIM and that the crack is a MIM manufacturing defect. Thanks for the input. I bought the part myself because I discovered it was on back-order (took 2 months to receive) and I wanted a functioning gun during the back-order period for a upcoming competition. I figured that Remington would have asked for the entire gun or just the broken action sleeve rendering the gun useless....if I had contacted them first. The gun functions fine even with the cracked action bar sleeve. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:40:30 AM EDT
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What color is the edge of the cracks? Black or silver? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is another photo, what are we looking at here? A stress crack? http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt342/sellmytires/Remington_1187_Action_bar_sleeve-rusted-3_zpsuabf3olv.jpg Reason? What color is the edge of the cracks? Black or silver? Silver. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:43:53 AM EDT
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Silver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is another photo, what are we looking at here? A stress crack? http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt342/sellmytires/Remington_1187_Action_bar_sleeve-rusted-3_zpsuabf3olv.jpg Reason? What color is the edge of the cracks? Black or silver? Silver. So evidently it didn't occur during manufacturing, but rather it broke during use or assembly. Regardless, I really doubt it would hurt anything. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 12:48:03 AM EDT
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Beats an obviously non-concentric choke bore. Fuck Remington.
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Posted: 5/23/2015 3:29:01 AM EDT
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bad casting That's what I think. Is it a safety or strength issue? If not and things work, why bother. |
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Posted: 5/23/2015 3:35:43 AM EDT
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I used to work with several guys who moved on before the havoc they wrought was fully apparent and are now in the procurement and supply chain of Remington.
They were all about cost cutting, outsourcing to the lowest bidder and collectively knew absolutely nothing about APQP or supplier qualification so seeing something like that just gives me a chuckle. |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 6:29:27 PM EDT
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I used to work with several guys who moved on before the havoc they wrought was fully apparent and are now in the procurement and supply chain of Remington. They were all about cost cutting, outsourcing to the lowest bidder and collectively knew absolutely nothing about APQP or supplier qualification so seeing something like that just gives me a chuckle. Nice to hear they have lost all integrity.... |
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Posted: 5/25/2015 7:14:35 PM EDT
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Remington lost my respect with the whole .17HMR 597 recall. They sold an unsafe gun and recalled it, but would not refund. Instead they sent a coupon(in many cases much less than original cost) for money off the cost of a future Remington purchase.
Later they started converting the guns to .22 magnum instead of the coupon-but still no refund for a gun that was recalled for blowing up. |
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