It's probably the most seamless integration of man and aircraft I've ever seen. Decision making for the F-35 pilot is going to be a breeze.

For $350 MILLION each it better damned well be.

Remember the Me262, fastest jet in the world?  120mph faster than the P-51?

Still got shot down, when taking off or landing.

What good is 23 F-35s gonna do?  against 8972 chinese f-5 clones.

Basic logic is escaping a large number of people.

Know how I can tell you didn't even watch the first minute of the video?  

He's the first f/a-18(legacy and Rhino), f-16, f-22, and f-35 pilot. I think he knows what he's talking about.

You know the speed of sound is slower at higher altitude, right?

Yeah but does he hang out in GD where the real experts are hashing out the future of the JSF.

Oh, I forgot to mention he's a topgun instructor pilot as well.

He says in the video that the old axiom "speed is life more is better" is no longer relevant in the fifth gen fighter world.

You never know!

Amerinsky, Da, and Nyet! that's all I got!

Dammit Jim we need subtitles! Not a doctor!

Holy crap, a Russian that actually knows what he's talking about.

He's right the whole idea of 5th GEN is linking everything together that up until now has been disjointed. Thanks to Obama we've retarded our progress, because the US Army had some very, VERY interesting ideas about building a system of system and streamlining logistics with its FCS program that Obama trashed.

I'll tell you one thing with what the USN has learned form the X-47B program and the fact that the USN, USMC, US Air Force, Japan, Australia, and South Korea will all be rocking the F-35 JSF China has to be shitting its pants. We play our cards right and we should be able to give the Chinese some serious pause and make them rethink about trying to muscle in on international waters in the Pacific.

Quick, cancel that shit before it does anything!

Yes, that's the "a (fps)" column to the left of my chart.  (But, FWIW, above 65,000 feet, atmospheric temperatures increase.)

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He was also a forward air controller, you know, just incase being qual'd on 4 different fighters from 2 different services wasn't enough.

But, I would like to take a moment to mention that I am ARFCOM MOA ALL DAY qualified, and I don't think he can say that.

Because those guys have such a stellar record of accurately predicting the future needs of our military, and tactics of our enemies...

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So is this the moment when the GD hate fest on the JSF turns to a begrudging love affair???

Better be quick to get on the new bandwagon cause it's gonna be a winner.

Why do we, as a Nation, look outside for validation of our military systems, especially to a possible enemy.  If we, ourselves, cannot validate our systems then  we have lost something important.

Sometimes it's funny just to sit back and watch the circle jerk.

Great to hear this - thanks.

L_JE trolled the fuck out of multiple people on this thread.


Well done.

When we have to eventually launch a major air strike into Iran it's really going to shine.

F-35 taking down their Integrated Air Defense. F-22's providing air supremacy. B-2's doing the bombing of their underground facilities. Probably have a shit load of drones as well looking for mobile SAM sites and knocking them out.  Should be pretty kick ass.

I seriously doubt Russia is concerned about the F-35. I seriously doubt the Congo's or Somalia's Air Force would be scared of the F-35.

I wonder how many aviation experts we can fit into this thread before it pops?

When does "trolled" and "flip flopped"  mean the same thing??



Yeah, how could Russia give much of a schit about the biggest fighter/strike program the western nations have ever attempted. I doubt they have even started to investigate such a trivial matter.

Worrying about Somalia's AF or the Congo should really be more in line with how we procure our modern aircraft cause, you know, those really guys are the threat for which we need to prepare.

LOL

Nuke their airbase before they ever take off.

Sukhoi PAK FA will best plane

We don't. It is just interesting how an informed outsider is far more knowledgeable about the F-35 than all the uninformed negative Nancy types here at home. He understands what the F-35 is bringing to the table. It is so revolutionary that it will completely change the way the game is played. And the guy is envious.

And though the F-35's speed and maneuverability will be just fine, that is actually the least important aspect it brings to the fight. The thing that really sets this aircraft apart from everything else flying today is the stuff you can't see. That is why so many people express doubt about the F-35. They are trying to compare it to what they know. We know the F-15. We know the F-16. We know the F-18. But the F-35 is on a completely different technological level than most people can even begin to comprehend. It would be like taking someone who only had exposure to a mid 1990s era "bag phone" and handing them an iPhone. It isn't that these people are dumb, they're just ignorant. As technology progresses, we have to adapt to it and change tactics. Otherwise WWII would have been a repeat of WWI, with people dying by machine gun fire as they charge across no man's land. The F-35 is to air warfare what the tank was to trench warfare. Over time, people will actually start to grasp what this new technology brings to the table. And here is the scary thing...not even the designers of the F-35 know all that this aircraft will be capable of doing in the future. It has so much room for "plug-n-play" future growth that 20 years from now an F-35 may only resemble current F-35s in outward appearance. The F-35 has been built to incorporate future technologies that we haven't yet even dreamed up!

All 2 of them?

Well you do have to have an on-deck spare.

I don't think the critics understand that LM is doing something really new not just building the next model Buick here.

Complicated shit pulled off across multiple subcontractors around the globe.

Ha Ha. I don't think they had the fore thought to design a carrier version yet.

Might have to do with a distinct lack functioning carriers, but that is just an old AF dude doing some speculatin.

An "on hardstand" spare they got down pat. As in one spare.

F'ing GAME CHANGER.

Out of context, it might look like flip flopping, but you can look at the subsequent chart to see the irony in my post, or look at my posts in past F-35 threads, or just look at how Chariborne is just itchin' to put me on ignore.

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Wait a minute.  Are you still trying to figure out my "meat is murder" comment in the other thread?

And it's really just a mobile parts cart for the running one.

Heavy breathing

<ding> Paging gasbolt, gasbolt to the white courtesy phone, please. <ding>

[gasbolt, dude, I'm just kidding around.  you know that, yes?]

Indeed!

Col Boyd proved that 50 years ago.

For all the problems with our military, we are so far ahead of everyone else where the rubber meets the road it is laughable.

Who said any thing about 23, 115 exist today...

The 262s engines were shit, that's why it was so easy to shoot down on approach, you couldn't jam the throttles.

How about that logic, maybe you could write for a major news outlet, your style seems to fit. All bluster, no substance, just a bunch of knee jerk horsehit

Thank you for posting that.

The main service I have been watching in this whole F-35 program is the Marines, not just because the VTOL requirement caused airframe specifications that affect everyone, but because of what I know about how they integrate the MAGTF assets from training to the real-world.

Marine aviators are culturally extremely aggressive, while also being extremely committed and infused with a dedication to supporting the amphibious and ground components.

They are also very mobile, and in places around the world that make it more likely for them to be involved in contingencies due to response times from ships.

If the F-35 is able to deliver these revolutionary catalysts of sensor fusion and systemic platform integration in the hands of a MAGTF, that alone represents a perfect storm type of capability that will be a wake-up call with strategic implications for anyone that is unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end of US diplomacy set aside for violent solutions.  The wake-up call will be from the speed, depth, and width of the effects that such a force can provide.

His comments about flying the F-22A, coming from 2000 hrs in the Hornet caught my attention right off the bat.  He said, at first it was really cool for a month.

...then it really sucked for 6 months because new pilots were spanking him, and he had more hours in F/A-18's, F-16's, and as Top Gun Instructor than any of them could ever see, yet they were beating him because they weren't thinking as a 4th Generation Fighter pilot like he was.

After having to re-learn how to fight in a 5th Gen fighter, it was a game-changer for him, and the speed and maneuverability of the F-22, which he stated are unparalleled, are the least considerations in that reawakening.  I have heard other pilots say similar things about the F-22.  He states that the F-35 takes that much farther, and that it's capabilities really can't be understood thinking along any of the rules that governed aerial combat before its introduction.

He commented that fighter pilots agree that speed and more of it were 2 rules that nobody would question before this.  The F-35 has turned those pillars on their heads, and changed the new rule to information and integration, and more of it.  He delineates the F-35 from an evolutionary platform, to a revolutionary one very enthusiastically.  I don't know if Lockmart is pumping him with go pills and retirement kickbacks, but he was extremely passionate and articulate about how he sees the F-35 as a true game-changer.

I like the part where he says that the speed and maneuverability of the Raptor are its least impressive qualities, and the Raptor is easily one of the fastest and most agile aircraft in the world.  The systems inside the F-35 are a generation past the ones in the F-22 that impressed him so much.

EDIT: damn, beat by 5min!

It's all good. Pretty sure we are all on the same team when the rubber meets the road.

My position is that the JSF is going to be a a smashing success because of capitalism (and a strong showing up to this date). Yeah a few hitches in the road but I like to believe our system kicks commie ass.

Not exactly perfect but so far ahead of the rest of the world that it is not even a game.

As an example I would add the F-15  Eagle. I worked on 1978 C models that are still unprecedented in knocking enemy dicks in the dirt. Capitalism Rules.

One thing I learned about Russians from living with them is that they are very much resigned to pragmatism in the face of real challenges.  It is a cultural reality driven by no less than 9 months of winter every year, and average temps around -30C, with historical conflicts and border disputes with all of their neighbors.

In the end, they devise some convoluted work-around to solve their problems, and make due with the bad hand of cards they've been dealt.

From a military and geopolitical perspective, deception is almost always central to that plan.

In the video in the OP, the gentleman seems to suggest that Russia needs a trump card from her MIC, rather than try to compete with the US in technical and numerical races, because the US has already won that over and over, and he calls it as such.  He misstates that this is because a significant majority of Russian engineers and scientists fled from Russia after the collapse, believing that they were at parity with the US during the Cold War, when we had really achieved over-match in almost every category throughout the Cold War.

There is no way for them to catch up to the US now that what scientists they had, are mostly gone.  This is why they need some type of doomsday button as their primary means of defense from the West, so they can focus on their economy rather than waste it on a futile MIC contest that will only make them go broke.  Notice that he mentioned their sweat several times, which is in reference to the Russian people's capacity to innovate and produce.

I'd feel better if it were this guy-


Sort of...

And the Chinese own assessment of our military is that we are truly operating with alien technology.  Not as in "foreign technology to them" but actual technology that was given to us by aliens.

The guy is right about us absorbing the USSR's secrets and scientists from 1990s....and continuing various avenues of R&D begun in the cold war to keep superiority well into the new century...

But the counter to this whiz bang tech is a-symetic warfare and sheer numbers. Just as the German war machine produced incredibly advanced fighters and tanks and subs but in too few numbers, so too it's the numbers game that is our weakness. With Aircraft carriers costing $14 billion to make and float it becomes harder and harder to sustain a 10 fleet navy....for the cost of 1 carrier we could launch a dozen Frigates, 4 destroyers and a sub. Or field an armored tank division. Or several wings of F-22s.

In Commie wars they scored victories by sheer numbers and wantoness with human life. In an existential crisis they might roll the dice with us figuring that once we expend our stockpiles of whiz bang weaponry, they might still have enough low tech ships and planes to score big victories that we can't easily recoup from.

So say the F-22 can shoot down 10 enemy fighters at once. They send up 20. Or our ships have X amount of Mk48s and Harpoons...so they intentionally calculate sending X+4 ships at some area - willing to trade half a fleet sunk for the sake of pulling into New Zealand or Aus or Hawaii with enough left to seize control...

How would we handle a hundred low tech prop driven fighters coming in? Isn't that the Iranian gambit? Isn't the 10,000 artillery tubes pointed at Seoul, SK the same thing - to have more targets then we have bombs with the MAD this causes?

Do they have an Air Force?   RC quad copters don't count

I found it interesting that the Marine F/A-18 (2000hrs) + Top Gun Instructor, F-16 exchange x 1yr, F-22 TX (first USMC pilot to fly the Raptor), and F-35 pilot says the F-35 takes that "Speed is life" rule about aerial combat, and makes it untrue.

reading between the lines, the F35 has such total awareness of the skies and what's in them that speed isn't needed to sneak in close or to get away from an enemy. That radar and other sensors might allow it to 'see' like a video game what really can't be seen otherwise... to paint a clear picture of where threats are, what can exploit those threat's vulnerabilities etc.

But again, like the King Tiger, it make be impervious to all other planes and still be outnumbered or the logistics train be compromised or it might simply run out of missiles to shoot....

Three different services. Super Hornet isn't used by the USMC.