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Posted: 5/20/2015 5:36:13 PM EDT
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I am very close to going Gault! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someday "we the people" will slap the government down. Until the vast majority of the people actually care what is going on that day will never come. We the people won't smack down shit. You know why Rome failed? It wasnt the sacings or The endless insane puppet dictators backed by monied interest, or endless conspiracies and civil war, it wasnt the poison water, it wasnt the plague, and it wasnt lack of food. Rome failed because everyone decided to say fuck it and boogied. What the pro civilization folks call the dark ages was nothing of the sort. People more or less just decided to decentralize because civilization was worse then simple subsistance living. Then civilzation was reformed around Christianity. In a country with 200,000,000 adults, half aint working or paying taxes, and over half dont vote. less then ten percent approve of our current system of governance. Wont be long and the other half will just go Gault like the rest. I am very close to going Gault! Fixed it. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 5:36:47 PM EDT
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If by emulate you mean tore most of it down and turned it into something completely different, you might have a point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The "People" didn't stop the Stazi and the DDR. It was the DDR suddenly and accidentally saying that unrestricted travel to West Germany was okay. We the people won't smack down shit. You know why Rome failed? It wasnt the sacings or The endless insane puppet dictators backed by monied interest, or endless conspiracies and civil war, it wasnt the poison water, it wasnt the plague, and it wasnt lack of food. Rome failed because everyone decided to say fuck it and boogied. What the pro civilization folks call the dark ages was nothing of the sort. People more or less just decided to decentralize because civilization was worse then simple subsistance living. Then civilzation was reformed around Christianity. In a country with 200,000,000 adults, half aint working or paying taxes, and over half dont vote. less then ten percent approve of our current system of governance. Wont be long and the other half will just go Gault like the rest. There wasn't a voluntary decentralization, it was a forced collapse of the empire. It couldn't hold together due to endless civil wars and all the other factors which led to its demise. It wasn't but a few years after the Western Roman Empire officially fell that people were trying to rebuild it. They kept trying to emulate it all the way through the medieval period. If by emulate you mean tore most of it down and turned it into something completely different, you might have a point. No, emulate as in try to re-establish it. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 5:38:37 PM EDT
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I am very close to going Gault! Fixed it. I'm afraid of going Gout. Seems painful. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 5:40:36 PM EDT
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I'm afraid of going Gout. Seems painful. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am very close to going Gault! Fixed it. I'm afraid of going Gout. Seems painful. Says Gault on my computer?? I know gout all to well! |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 5:47:05 PM EDT
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No, emulate as in try to re-establish it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The "People" didn't stop the Stazi and the DDR. It was the DDR suddenly and accidentally saying that unrestricted travel to West Germany was okay. We the people won't smack down shit. You know why Rome failed? It wasnt the sacings or The endless insane puppet dictators backed by monied interest, or endless conspiracies and civil war, it wasnt the poison water, it wasnt the plague, and it wasnt lack of food. Rome failed because everyone decided to say fuck it and boogied. What the pro civilization folks call the dark ages was nothing of the sort. People more or less just decided to decentralize because civilization was worse then simple subsistance living. Then civilzation was reformed around Christianity. In a country with 200,000,000 adults, half aint working or paying taxes, and over half dont vote. less then ten percent approve of our current system of governance. Wont be long and the other half will just go Gault like the rest. There wasn't a voluntary decentralization, it was a forced collapse of the empire. It couldn't hold together due to endless civil wars and all the other factors which led to its demise. It wasn't but a few years after the Western Roman Empire officially fell that people were trying to rebuild it. They kept trying to emulate it all the way through the medieval period. If by emulate you mean tore most of it down and turned it into something completely different, you might have a point. No, emulate as in try to re-establish it. They tried to re establish civilization, not Roman civilization. No one wanted to cede their own soverignty to create a centralized empire. If anything they knowingly defaced and undermined all that Rome stood for in both the East and the West. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 5:48:00 PM EDT
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No other senators are in the chamber. I don't usually watch filibusterers, is this typical? There was a time not so long ago when it would have been filled with ordinary citizens. Spent more than a few Summer afternoons in my teens sitting in the balconys of both houses |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 5:50:25 PM EDT
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They tried to re establish civilization, not Roman civilization. No one wanted to cede their own soverignty to create a centralized empire. If anything they knowingly defaced and undermined all that Rome stood for in both the East and the West. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There wasn't a voluntary decentralization, it was a forced collapse of the empire. It couldn't hold together due to endless civil wars and all the other factors which led to its demise. It wasn't but a few years after the Western Roman Empire officially fell that people were trying to rebuild it. They kept trying to emulate it all the way through the medieval period. If by emulate you mean tore most of it down and turned it into something completely different, you might have a point. No, emulate as in try to re-establish it. They tried to re establish civilization, not Roman civilization. No one wanted to cede their own soverignty to create a centralized empire. If anything they knowingly defaced and undermined all that Rome stood for in both the East and the West. No, they actively tried to reestablish the Roman Empire. It was an amazing thing to them which held great psychological power. They marveled at the ruins of engineering feats they couldn't hope to replicate and longed to go back to that. Hell, Charlemagne called himself a Roman Emperor, and that was in the late 700s/early 800s. Nearly 400 years after the Western Roman Empire had fallen. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:04:08 PM EDT
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I get that there is no bill to filibuster-I'm saying the bills to repeal the NFA will come later when the Republicans control all 3 branches.UYou know,along with all the other bills reducing spending and the size of government............... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish he'd filibuster to end the nfa. So.. uh... what would he be filibustering? Yeah well,once we get a Republican President to go with both Houses being Republican controlled,we will start seeing the end of the NFA,ATF,IRS,etc....,and the repeal of all gun laws as unConstitutional. It will be morning in America! No, I mean what bill does he want Rand to filibuster that would end the NFA. Of course, I'm trying to figure out how stopping a bill would help end the NFA to being with.  I get that there is no bill to filibuster-I'm saying the bills to repeal the NFA will come later when the Republicans control all 3 branches.UYou know,along with all the other bills reducing spending and the size of government...............   
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:04:58 PM EDT
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No, they actively tried to reestablish the Roman Empire. It was an amazing thing to them which held great psychological power. They marveled at the ruins of engineering feats they couldn't hope to replicate and longed to go back to that. Hell, Charlemagne called himself a Roman Emperor, and that was in the late 700s/early 800s. Nearly 400 years after the Western Roman Empire had falled. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There wasn't a voluntary decentralization, it was a forced collapse of the empire. It couldn't hold together due to endless civil wars and all the other factors which led to its demise. It wasn't but a few years after the Western Roman Empire officially fell that people were trying to rebuild it. They kept trying to emulate it all the way through the medieval period. If by emulate you mean tore most of it down and turned it into something completely different, you might have a point. No, emulate as in try to re-establish it. They tried to re establish civilization, not Roman civilization. No one wanted to cede their own soverignty to create a centralized empire. If anything they knowingly defaced and undermined all that Rome stood for in both the East and the West. No, they actively tried to reestablish the Roman Empire. It was an amazing thing to them which held great psychological power. They marveled at the ruins of engineering feats they couldn't hope to replicate and longed to go back to that. Hell, Charlemagne called himself a Roman Emperor, and that was in the late 700s/early 800s. Nearly 400 years after the Western Roman Empire had falled. Charles was about as roman as a monkey on a unicycle. the holy Roman empire was a farce. Niether Roman or an empire. Basically the guy created an extortion scheme for the pope, and thats all. Rome by comparison, stretched for thousands of miles and shared a culture, infrastructure, and all that. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:12:03 PM EDT
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The Patriot Act needs to die. It will be interesting who among the freedom loving GOP votes to renew it. 99% will vote to renew it. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:19:54 PM EDT
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So it'll have to pass tomorrow instead of today?
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:28:19 PM EDT
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So it'll have to pass tomorrow instead of today? Sadly, this. Unfortunately the Republicans are divided on this one. Even my favorite AR senator Tom Cotton is not standing with Rand on this one. Seems like the constitutional conservatives are still in the minority, even in the GOP. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:30:08 PM EDT
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So it'll have to pass tomorrow instead of today? Maybe. Until then,it's a real edge of your seat nailbiter on if it passes!!!! The suspense is killing me! |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:32:42 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like this filibuster is about being allowed to offer amendments to the bill. It sounds like leadership was going to try to push it through unamended and claim time constraints. Pssst.... The Bill isn't even up yet. This isn't actually a "filibuster" of anything, it's just a guy talking. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:34:27 PM EDT
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Pssst.... The Bill isn't even up yet. This isn't actually a "filibuster" of anything, it's just a guy talking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like this filibuster is about being allowed to offer amendments to the bill. It sounds like leadership was going to try to push it through unamended and claim time constraints. Pssst.... The Bill isn't even up yet. This isn't actually a "filibuster" of anything, it's just a guy talking. Yeah, when I learned that I lost all interest. There's absolutely no point to this. At all. It is quite literally political theater. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:38:03 PM EDT
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so, should I classify you as another stalker? are you also one of the ones that are obsessed that this account is a troll account of a mod? 
inquiring minds want to know btw... if rand is talking, maybe he should be talking about why he got mcconnell to strong arm a bunch of republicans to cover for rand and the obamacare exemption for congress http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1746698_5_Republicans_on_Small_Business_Committee_Join_With_Democrats_to_Block_Obamacare_Subpoena.html http://i57.tinypic.com/73o5r4.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before cm! Stand with Rand! 
Fuck the "patriot" act. so, should I classify you as another stalker? are you also one of the ones that are obsessed that this account is a troll account of a mod?
inquiring minds want to know btw... if rand is talking, maybe he should be talking about why he got mcconnell to strong arm a bunch of republicans to cover for rand and the obamacare exemption for congress http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1746698_5_Republicans_on_Small_Business_Committee_Join_With_Democrats_to_Block_Obamacare_Subpoena.html http://i57.tinypic.com/73o5r4.jpg That's just how it works man. When you're all ridiculous about something you just become "the guy that was ridiculous about x". It doesn't even matter if you're right when you criticize after that, you're just feeding the legend. Whatever arguments you make will be lessened by your having made them regardless of their validity or lack thereof. The only way this works is if you're part of Rand Paul's campaign. 
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:42:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2015 6:56:34 PM EDT
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He should totally filibuster ISIS!
Then he should filibuster to get Hillary's email server! |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 7:03:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, when I learned that I lost all interest. There's absolutely no point to this. At all. It is quite literally political theater. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like this filibuster is about being allowed to offer amendments to the bill. It sounds like leadership was going to try to push it through unamended and claim time constraints. Pssst.... The Bill isn't even up yet. This isn't actually a "filibuster" of anything, it's just a guy talking. Yeah, when I learned that I lost all interest. There's absolutely no point to this. At all. It is quite literally political theater. I don't know. It makes perfect sense to me, but it is theatrical. They'll be taking a long weekend for Memorial Day. If you want to get people riled up and contacting their Senators, now is the time. Not next week, when the patriot act is scheduled. It expires at the end of the month, and leadership is claiming that there isn't time for amendments and wants to limit debate. It is self defeating to filibuster next week. That would put him in a situation where they claim that it is his own fault that there isn't time for debate. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 7:07:07 PM EDT
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He should totally filibuster ISIS! Then he should filibuster to get Hillary's email server! Because the Senate has no power over whether or not the PATRIOT Act gets renewed! Just like those other things! |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 7:11:13 PM EDT
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"They" have already gotten what they needed from the "Patriot Act".
All of the architecture is in place and will always be in use "Patriot Act" or no. Illegal spying will continue unabated regardless of the renewal processes outcome. Their funding will be continued by this administration just like everything else. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 7:11:14 PM EDT
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Champion of freedom.
Those who authored the Patriot Act and those who voted for it should be ashamed of themselves for taking advantage of a crisis and using it to grab power for the government. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 7:11:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He should totally filibuster ISIS! Then he should filibuster to get Hillary's email server! He should filibuster the Chinese to turn over their copy of Hillary's email server. Fuck, the 13 year old script kiddie down the block in Mom's basement with a Fawkes mask on probably has a copy he could get. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 7:23:47 PM EDT
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Interesting. I wonder what they are anticipating.
The Justice Department also said that if Congress allows the law to expire and then passes legislation to reauthorize it when lawmakers return to Washington the week of June 1, it would "be effective in making the authorities operative again, but may expose the government to some litigation risk in the event of legal challenge." |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 8:34:23 PM EDT
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I don't know. It makes perfect sense to me, but it is theatrical. They'll be taking a long weekend for Memorial Day. If you want to get people riled up and contacting their Senators, now is the time. Not next week, when the patriot act is scheduled. It expires at the end of the month, and leadership is claiming that there isn't time for amendments and wants to limit debate. It is self defeating to filibuster next week. That would put him in a situation where they claim that it is his own fault that there isn't time for debate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like this filibuster is about being allowed to offer amendments to the bill. It sounds like leadership was going to try to push it through unamended and claim time constraints. Pssst.... The Bill isn't even up yet. This isn't actually a "filibuster" of anything, it's just a guy talking. Yeah, when I learned that I lost all interest. There's absolutely no point to this. At all. It is quite literally political theater. I don't know. It makes perfect sense to me, but it is theatrical. They'll be taking a long weekend for Memorial Day. If you want to get people riled up and contacting their Senators, now is the time. Not next week, when the patriot act is scheduled. It expires at the end of the month, and leadership is claiming that there isn't time for amendments and wants to limit debate. It is self defeating to filibuster next week. That would put him in a situation where they claim that it is his own fault that there isn't time for debate. You said quite specifically that he was doing this so that he would be "allowed to offer amendments to the bill." Please explain how his actions are allowing this. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 8:36:49 PM EDT
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Because the Senate has no power over whether or not the PATRIOT Act gets renewed! Just like those other things! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He should totally filibuster ISIS! Then he should filibuster to get Hillary's email server! Because the Senate has no power over whether or not the PATRIOT Act gets renewed! Just like those other things! If a Bill that isn't up for consideration (in the woods), get fillibustered, did it really get filibustered? His current "filibuster" has as much power in addressing the Patriot Act, as it does in making me a magic Milk Shake, or eliminating ISIS. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:06:31 PM EDT
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Gullible people are funny. This is going nowhere. He knows this is going nowhere. He is playing to a gullible audience that will lap this up. The law will pass and he will benefit from it passing while saying he tried to stop it. I hate to say it but you're right on target. This "patriot act" is really going nowhere. Lot of noise, no signal. It's a damned shame. 
Until our politicians get a really good scare they aren't going to pay attention. It's just a bunch of fools masturbating at the altar of power and using the constitution as a for-after wipe. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:11:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You said quite specifically that he was doing this so that he would be "allowed to offer amendments to the bill." Please explain how his actions are allowing this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like this filibuster is about being allowed to offer amendments to the bill. It sounds like leadership was going to try to push it through unamended and claim time constraints. Pssst.... The Bill isn't even up yet. This isn't actually a "filibuster" of anything, it's just a guy talking. Yeah, when I learned that I lost all interest. There's absolutely no point to this. At all. It is quite literally political theater. I don't know. It makes perfect sense to me, but it is theatrical. They'll be taking a long weekend for Memorial Day. If you want to get people riled up and contacting their Senators, now is the time. Not next week, when the patriot act is scheduled. It expires at the end of the month, and leadership is claiming that there isn't time for amendments and wants to limit debate. It is self defeating to filibuster next week. That would put him in a situation where they claim that it is his own fault that there isn't time for debate. You said quite specifically that he was doing this so that he would be "allowed to offer amendments to the bill." Please explain how his actions are allowing this. That is why HE said he was doing it. He said they have been preparing amendments for almost a year and now leadership intends to bypass the process. I imagine his actions are designed to raise awareness -> increased constituent pressure -> forcing a full debate and amendment process. It's theatrical, it isn't a true filibuster, and it probably won't work, but at least some people are trying. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:17:29 PM EDT
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That is why HE said he was doing it. He said they have been preparing amendments for almost a year and now leadership intends to bypass the process. I imagine his actions are designed to raise awareness -> increased constituent pressure -> forcing a full debate and amendment process. It's theatrical, it isn't a true filibuster, and it probably won't work, but at least some people are trying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You said quite specifically that he was doing this so that he would be "allowed to offer amendments to the bill." Please explain how his actions are allowing this. That is why HE said he was doing it. He said they have been preparing amendments for almost a year and now leadership intends to bypass the process. I imagine his actions are designed to raise awareness -> increased constituent pressure -> forcing a full debate and amendment process. It's theatrical, it isn't a true filibuster, and it probably won't work, but at least some people are trying. Trying? His dad use to "try" to cut spending by adding pork to Bills and then voting against the Bill, fully confident it would pass. That's not trying, that's exploiting your gullible constituents and donors. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:21:42 PM EDT
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For every hour he stays up a bald eagle gets its wings!
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:24:22 PM EDT
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I'm taking back my "good".
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:26:31 PM EDT
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I was against the Patriot Act before it was enacted.
Giving the government a carte blanche all in the name of fighting terrorism. Many dumbasses supported it in the post 9/11 emotion. I warned that despite your intentions for it - you won't like it when the Dems take over. It will be used to monitor US citizens for political advantage. Do you even 4th Amendment bro? FBHO.
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:27:58 PM EDT
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I get that there is no bill to filibuster-I'm saying the bills to repeal the NFA will come later when the Republicans control all 3 branches.UYou know,along with all the other bills reducing spending and the size of government............... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish he'd filibuster to end the nfa. So.. uh... what would he be filibustering? Yeah well,once we get a Republican President to go with both Houses being Republican controlled,we will start seeing the end of the NFA,ATF,IRS,etc....,and the repeal of all gun laws as unConstitutional. It will be morning in America! No, I mean what bill does he want Rand to filibuster that would end the NFA. Of course, I'm trying to figure out how stopping a bill would help end the NFA to being with. I get that there is no bill to filibuster-I'm saying the bills to repeal the NFA will come later when the Republicans control all 3 branches.UYou know,along with all the other bills reducing spending and the size of government............... Just like they did during much of W's presidency, when the had majorities in both houses of congress, and held the executive. ...ah, the golden years. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:35:21 PM EDT
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He's still going?
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:39:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying? His dad use to "try" to cut spending by adding pork to Bills and then voting against the Bill, fully confident it would pass. That's not trying, that's exploiting your gullible constituents and donors. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You said quite specifically that he was doing this so that he would be "allowed to offer amendments to the bill." Please explain how his actions are allowing this. That is why HE said he was doing it. He said they have been preparing amendments for almost a year and now leadership intends to bypass the process. I imagine his actions are designed to raise awareness -> increased constituent pressure -> forcing a full debate and amendment process. It's theatrical, it isn't a true filibuster, and it probably won't work, but at least some people are trying. Trying? His dad use to "try" to cut spending by adding pork to Bills and then voting against the Bill, fully confident it would pass. That's not trying, that's exploiting your gullible constituents and donors.  |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:42:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:51:22 PM EDT
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A large group of senators wants to keep the Patriot act but would like to "limit the NSA's bulk collection of data, but would still allow authorities to search individual's records. The House just passed a bill called, dah dah DAHHHh
...The USA Freedom Act (talk about political theater, the bullshit names legislators come up with for their bullshit bills really takes the cake) It's coming to the Senate. If it passes, then the Patriot Act will pass. If it fails then Senators will be forced to either extend the Patriot Act as is...or let it expire. Rand is filibustering this vote. ....chess not checkers... If the "USA Freedom Act" passes the senate the Patriot Act vote won't matter. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 9:52:51 PM EDT
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Now correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't Rand support Obama's super secret trade bill?
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:00:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A large group of senators wants to keep the Patriot act but would like to "limit the NSA's bulk collection of data, but would still allow authorities to search individual's records. The House just passed a bill called, dah dah DAHHHh ...The USA Freedom Act (talk about political theater, the bullshit names legislators come up with for their bullshit bills really takes the cake) It's coming to the Senate. If it passes, then the Patriot Act will pass. If it fails then Senators will be forced to either extend the Patriot Act as is...or let it expire. Rand is filibustering this vote. ....chess not checkers... If the "USA Freedom Act" passes the senate the Patriot Act vote won't matter. I thought they didn't have the votes for the "Freedom" Act yet? |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:14:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:23:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:31:59 PM EDT
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No, they actively tried to reestablish the Roman Empire. It was an amazing thing to them which held great psychological power. They marveled at the ruins of engineering feats they couldn't hope to replicate and longed to go back to that. Hell, Charlemagne called himself a Roman Emperor, and that was in the late 700s/early 800s. Nearly 400 years after the Western Roman Empire had fallen. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There wasn't a voluntary decentralization, it was a forced collapse of the empire. It couldn't hold together due to endless civil wars and all the other factors which led to its demise. It wasn't but a few years after the Western Roman Empire officially fell that people were trying to rebuild it. They kept trying to emulate it all the way through the medieval period. If by emulate you mean tore most of it down and turned it into something completely different, you might have a point. No, emulate as in try to re-establish it. They tried to re establish civilization, not Roman civilization. No one wanted to cede their own soverignty to create a centralized empire. If anything they knowingly defaced and undermined all that Rome stood for in both the East and the West. No, they actively tried to reestablish the Roman Empire. It was an amazing thing to them which held great psychological power. They marveled at the ruins of engineering feats they couldn't hope to replicate and longed to go back to that. Hell, Charlemagne called himself a Roman Emperor, and that was in the late 700s/early 800s. Nearly 400 years after the Western Roman Empire had fallen. Kaiser & Tzar literally meant Caesar! |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:32:30 PM EDT
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In before cm! Stand with Rand!
Fuck the "patriot" act. ETA: After I see its theater 
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:36:15 PM EDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like this filibuster is about being allowed to offer amendments to the bill. It sounds like leadership was going to try to push it through unamended and claim time constraints. Pssst.... The Bill isn't even up yet. This isn't actually a "filibuster" of anything, it's just a guy talking. Yeah, when I learned that I lost all interest. There's absolutely no point to this. At all. It is quite literally political theater. That's not true. The USA Freedom Act is a de facto Patriot Act vote. McConnell announced on Tuesday he'd let it come up for a vote. It allows the Senate to do what the House just did. Pass it and say they did "something", which is bs. Rand doesn't want the senate to have a nice neat easy out. Of course he'd rather the vote not come up at all, but taking away their "easy out" it's going to force senators to either vote to extend the Patriot Act or let it expire. Given the mood of the country, they may not have the stomach for it. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:37:12 PM EDT
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Trying? His dad use to "try" to cut spending by adding pork to Bills and then voting against the Bill, fully confident it would pass. That's not trying, that's exploiting your gullible constituents and donors. Oh, it's one of those "everything that guy I don't like does is purely for show" protests then. Gotcha. Everything Paul does is for show, and you are a much more effective defender of freedom than that fakir. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:56:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:58:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2015 10:59:55 PM EDT
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I hope we can call him POTUS next election. Don't be surprised to see him making full use of the renewed Act if that happens. Politicians be politicking. The Patriot Act is political gold. "Who can we blame it on this term?" |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 11:00:07 PM EDT
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So Rand is going to get good ol Mitchy's panties in a huge knot again! Nah. Rand Paul is providing a little political circus to assuage the rubes, just as he endorsed McConnell. It's all just politics. In the end, the Patriot Act will move forward. Agree, Rand Paul is bought and paid for by Uncle Mitchie. |
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Posted: 5/20/2015 11:05:37 PM EDT
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So Rand is going to get good ol Mitchy's panties in a huge knot again! Nah. Rand Paul is providing a little political circus to assuage the rubes, just as he endorsed McConnell. It's all just politics. In the end, the Patriot Act will move forward. Unfortunately you're right. The really sad part is that even if the patriot act somehow got obliterated there's no way in hell they'll stop doing whatever they want to anyway in secret. Who's going to tell the government to stop breaking the law anyway? Why do I keep getting my hopes up? You are most likely correct. Cant tell if you are being sarcastic.... No sarcasm. I hope Rand or someone like him would win POTUS . But I also believe it is probably no longer possible anymore. |
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