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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:46:16 PM EDT
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They usually take care of that all by themselves.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:46:32 PM EDT
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Stockholm Syndrome?
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:47:55 PM EDT
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I am trying to get to the point. I assume she is saying that she can avoid being raped all by herself.
instead of blaming the instructor, she should be blaming her fellow female airmen. if I am reading her correctly. I'd say she sounds hysterical, but I don't want to trigger anybody right now. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:51:06 PM EDT
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I am trying to get to the point. I assume she is saying that she can avoid being raped all by herself. instead of blaming the instructor, she should be blaming her fellow female airmen. if I am reading her correctly. I'd say she sounds hysterical, but I don't want to trigger anybody right now. Maybe, but when you take the emotional charge out of it she makes some very good points. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:51:10 PM EDT
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It's time we start punishing proven false accusations with incredible zeal. I mean serious jail time.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:51:35 PM EDT
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I am trying to get to the point. I assume she is saying that she can avoid being raped all by herself. instead of blaming the instructor, she should be blaming her fellow female airmen. if I am reading her correctly. I'd say she sounds hysterical, but I don't want to trigger anybody right now. Well stop dropping all of those damn Coke bombs all the damn time.. 
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:52:39 PM EDT
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Stockholm Syndrome? No The sexual harassment policy is so far beyond any common sense that the woman feels like it is ruining her life. They created a system where she can point her finger at someone and ruin the guy's career. Some women (feminists) are sociopaths and love that kind of power over men. The woman who wrote the letter feels diminished and isolated by it |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:52:44 PM EDT
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Somebody needs to get smacked in the face.
edit: ok, maybe not. But she definitely needs to calm down. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:53:08 PM EDT
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Am I the only one who laughed when I saw "Alleged Female Airman?"
Sometimes, you really can't tell they're female, huh? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:53:25 PM EDT
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It's time we start punishing proven false accusations with incredible zeal. I mean serious jail time. This.....I brought that up in a SHARP/Rapey Stare briefing and about false accusation accountability. I never did get an answer even after I yelled at them to just answer the fucking question. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:53:32 PM EDT
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I am trying to get to the point. I assume she is saying that she can avoid being raped all by herself. instead of blaming the instructor, she should be blaming her fellow female airmen. if I am reading her correctly. I'd say she sounds hysterical, but I don't want to trigger anybody right now. nope read my post above she doesn't want to be part of the brain-dead PC farce she doesn't want to be treated like a helpless victim she says so in plain English some people are offended by being patronized and coddled |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:53:45 PM EDT
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If they would just let her into Ranger school and change the standards so she could pass she would be happy.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:54:25 PM EDT
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she's not much to look at.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:55:38 PM EDT
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Somebody needs to get smacked in the face. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:57:33 PM EDT
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the woman who wrote the letter is right on the money
she is disgusted by political correctness she doesn't like being treated like a helpless victim how can you guys not see that, it's literally the topic of the entire letter |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:57:48 PM EDT
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Stockholm Syndrome?  No, feminism elitism, or rather the effects of it.. One of the underpinnings of feminist political causes is that women, especially minority and poor women, are helpless. They simply cannot be independent and self reliant. All men will take advantage and abuse them. A woman's only recourse is other women and/or the State. So sexual harassment training turns into this cartoonish exercise where every man, who only thinks with his dick, must restrain himself from raping every woman within reach. But this has the effect of turning women into mindless sexual automaton's, who only have one thing men value and whose opinion on their own sexuality is irrelevant. That's why calls for women to carry handguns get brushed off by the feminist leadership - women can't POSSIBLY defend themselves, so they basically must agree to be victims in the knowledge that, in some nebulous future, rape won't exist. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 1:57:56 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just retarded, but I don't understand a word of what she said.
Basically if I'm understanding her, she is claiming that she doesn't want to be a victim, and that the AF made her feel like a victim. Now she's a victim of being made a victim, which she doesn't want to be, but she seems to embrace it whole-heartedly. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:00:36 PM EDT
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Err'body getting raped up in here.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:01:34 PM EDT
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She is calling out the stupid 'women are fragile victims' bullshit they shove down our throats, and she is right.
You told me, and everyone else who was listening to you this morning that I had a right to dictate what they said. That I had a right to dictate what they looked at. That I had a right to dictate what they listened to. That somehow, in my shop, I was the only person who mattered. That they can’t listen to the radio because they might play the Beatles, or Sir Mix-A-Lot, and that I might be offended. That if someone plays a Katy Perry song, I might have flashbacks to a night where I made a bad decision. I might be hurt, and I’m fragile right? Of course I am, you made me that way.  |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the woman who wrote the letter is right on the money she is disgusted by political correctness she doesn't like being treated like a helpless victim how can you guys not see that, it's literally the topic of the entire letter That's what I got out of it... She tired of her special class (or class assigned to all females) and just wants to be part of the team and treated like everyone else. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:01:41 PM EDT
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the woman who wrote the letter is right on the money she is disgusted by political correctness she doesn't like being treated like a helpless victim how can you guys not see that, it's literally the topic of the entire letter They can't see it because they can't relate to women in a non-sexual manner. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:02:04 PM EDT
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Somebody needs to get smacked in the face. She came off as being hysterical to me. If her message was worded more calmly, perhaps it would be better recieved. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:02:34 PM EDT
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FACEPALM
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:03:33 PM EDT
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I am trying to get to the point. I assume she is saying that she can avoid being raped all by herself. instead of blaming the instructor, she should be blaming her fellow female airmen. if I am reading her correctly. I'd say she sounds hysterical, but I don't want to trigger anybody right now. Well, there's a bit of emotion involved. The gist of it is that labeling everything as sexual harassment is bullshit and does more harm than good. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:05:42 PM EDT
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Well, there's a bit of emotion involved. The gist of it is that labeling everything as sexual harassment is bullshit and does more harm than good. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am trying to get to the point. I assume she is saying that she can avoid being raped all by herself. instead of blaming the instructor, she should be blaming her fellow female airmen. if I am reading her correctly. I'd say she sounds hysterical, but I don't want to trigger anybody right now. Well, there's a bit of emotion involved. The gist of it is that labeling everything as sexual harassment is bullshit and does more harm than good. Hey! The DoD has spent a lot of time and money to convince me I'm a rapist and sexual harasser. Now you're telling me this isn't true? Next thing you're gonna tell me is Santa Claus ate the Easter Bunny. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:05:45 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just retarded, but I don't understand a word of what she said. Basically if I'm understanding her, she is claiming that she doesn't want to be a victim, and that the AF made her feel like a victim. Now she's a victim of being made a victim, which she doesn't want to be, but she seems to embrace it whole-heartedly. I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:06:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If her message was worded more calmly, perhaps it would be better recieved. Agreed. She was on the money, but could have gone about it better. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:06:40 PM EDT
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nope read my post above she doesn't want to be part of the brain-dead PC farce she doesn't want to be treated like a helpless victim she says so in plain English some people are offended by being patronized and coddled Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am trying to get to the point. I assume she is saying that she can avoid being raped all by herself. instead of blaming the instructor, she should be blaming her fellow female airmen. if I am reading her correctly. I'd say she sounds hysterical, but I don't want to trigger anybody right now. nope read my post above she doesn't want to be part of the brain-dead PC farce she doesn't want to be treated like a helpless victim she says so in plain English some people are offended by being patronized and coddled That's how I read it. All she missed is some stats about actual victims showing how many are men, to directly attack the underlying premise. The whole training program has been taken over by feminist "rape culture" types, and it's ridiculous. I can see why a woman would be offended. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:07:07 PM EDT
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I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe I'm just retarded, but I don't understand a word of what she said. Basically if I'm understanding her, she is claiming that she doesn't want to be a victim, and that the AF made her feel like a victim. Now she's a victim of being made a victim, which she doesn't want to be, but she seems to embrace it whole-heartedly. I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. toe the line. toe |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:07:32 PM EDT
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Hey! The DoD has spent a lot of time and money to convince me I'm a rapist and sexual harasser. Now you're telling me this isn't true? Next thing you're gonna tell me is Santa Claus ate the Easter Bunny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am trying to get to the point. I assume she is saying that she can avoid being raped all by herself. instead of blaming the instructor, she should be blaming her fellow female airmen. if I am reading her correctly. I'd say she sounds hysterical, but I don't want to trigger anybody right now. Well, there's a bit of emotion involved. The gist of it is that labeling everything as sexual harassment is bullshit and does more harm than good. Hey! The DoD has spent a lot of time and money to convince me I'm a rapist and sexual harasser. Now you're telling me this isn't true? Next thing you're gonna tell me is Santa Claus ate the Easter Bunny. Embrace your heterocage. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:08:14 PM EDT
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Sounds angry enough to garner her own fan club. Someone should send her an invite.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:08:57 PM EDT
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They can't see it because they can't relate to women in a non-sexual manner. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the woman who wrote the letter is right on the money she is disgusted by political correctness she doesn't like being treated like a helpless victim how can you guys not see that, it's literally the topic of the entire letter They can't see it because they can't relate to women in a non-sexual manner. Mostly because of PC shit the writer is complaining about. If she could do 100 pushups, got a tattoo, and got drunk and beat up people on leave I doubt the guys would see her differently for too much longer. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:10:11 PM EDT
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She's right. If I was a male in the military I would not even talk to a woman.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:10:47 PM EDT
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So how much is she charging for sex?
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:13:07 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm just retarded, but I don't understand a word of what she said. Basically if I'm understanding her, she is claiming that she doesn't want to be a victim, and that the AF made her feel like a victim. Now she's a victim of being made a victim, which she doesn't want to be, but she seems to embrace it whole-heartedly. I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. toe the line. toe Whoops! I thought it was "Tow the line" as in someone pulling on a rope just like everyone else is, rather than everyone standing in a perfectly straight line. Now that I think about it, I still like the context behind "Tow the Line" better so I'm sticking with it. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She's right. If I was a male in the military I would not even talk to a woman. That's called 'being in the Navy', I believe. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:16:53 PM EDT
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I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe I'm just retarded, but I don't understand a word of what she said. Basically if I'm understanding her, she is claiming that she doesn't want to be a victim, and that the AF made her feel like a victim. Now she's a victim of being made a victim, which she doesn't want to be, but she seems to embrace it whole-heartedly. I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. Or she has Daddy issues. (Dad wanted a son) Women kill me. First they bitch about the boy's club and now they bitch they can't be part of it. Take you're pick ladies. You can't have it both ways. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:17:46 PM EDT
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Or she has Daddy issues. (Dad wanted a son) Women kill me. First they bitch about the boy's club and now they bitch they can't be part of it. Take you're pick ladies. You can't have it both ways. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe I'm just retarded, but I don't understand a word of what she said. Basically if I'm understanding her, she is claiming that she doesn't want to be a victim, and that the AF made her feel like a victim. Now she's a victim of being made a victim, which she doesn't want to be, but she seems to embrace it whole-heartedly. I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. Or she has Daddy issues. (Dad wanted a son) Women kill me. First they bitch about the boy's club and now they bitch they can't be part of it. Take you're pick ladies. You can't have it both ways. Where do you get she's ever bitched about "the boy's club?" |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:18:59 PM EDT
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You should see what happens when a man makes the same points about how ridiculous the system is and it has a negative impact on mission accomplishment and troop welfare.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:23:31 PM EDT
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Well, in that case, the Marine Corps made me an alcoholic. According to them if you drink more than 3 beers in one sitting, ever get puking drunk, drink more than a case a week, drink more than 1-2 times a week, or ever get drunk and "have an incident," CONGRATULATIONS!, you're an alky. By my estimate, 99% of the Marines I served with were alkies.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:23:52 PM EDT
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It's time we start punishing proven false accusations with incredible zeal. I mean serious jail time. As long as only a minute number of sexual assaults/rapes get reported in the first place, that will never, ever happen. Once there is close to a 90% versus a 10% reporting rate, something like that may occur. Until then, they will never do anything which might even remotely suppress reporting. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:24:19 PM EDT
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The women who appreciate sexual harassment ruined it for the rest.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:31:44 PM EDT
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Where do you get she's ever bitched about "the boy's club?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe I'm just retarded, but I don't understand a word of what she said. Basically if I'm understanding her, she is claiming that she doesn't want to be a victim, and that the AF made her feel like a victim. Now she's a victim of being made a victim, which she doesn't want to be, but she seems to embrace it whole-heartedly. I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. Or she has Daddy issues. (Dad wanted a son) Women kill me. First they bitch about the boy's club and now they bitch they can't be part of it. Take you're pick ladies. You can't have it both ways. Where do you get she's ever bitched about "the boy's club?" "You are the reason I room alone when I deploy. You are the reason that wives are terrified that their husbands are cheating on them when they leave, and I leave with them. When I walk into a room and people are laughing and having a good time, you are the reason they take one look at me and either stop talking or leave. " |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:34:05 PM EDT
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I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe I'm just retarded, but I don't understand a word of what she said. Basically if I'm understanding her, she is claiming that she doesn't want to be a victim, and that the AF made her feel like a victim. Now she's a victim of being made a victim, which she doesn't want to be, but she seems to embrace it whole-heartedly. I see her point. She is complaining that the establishment is making her out to be some fragile china doll because of her gender, and she believes it is going to put a wedge in between herself and her male coworkers when she wants to prove she can tow the line just as men can. Lol, isolation used to start at SFC and up for professionals (ratio of people you know and like to people you're allowed to hang out with) For the professional female, it starts at E1. It's a sad life when your male peers don't wan anything to do with you because they're worried about their careers/paychecks. Army enlisted females have two options now. Fuck everyone so they all feel comfortable around you knowing your complaints will have no substance. And be an isolated, stoic cunt who does her job and does pt and is ignored by everyone (males and slampig females). What's the point of serving when you peers can even feel safe around you. Like having aids in the 80s. At least they used to have option c - do you shit, act like a soldier (guy) and get treated like a solider. Maybe this is all a master plan by libs to get females OUT of the army? |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:34:27 PM EDT
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It's time we start punishing proven false accusations with incredible zeal. I mean serious jail time. So probation? |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:38:23 PM EDT
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Maybe, but when you take the emotional charge out of it she makes some very good points. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am trying to get to the point. I assume she is saying that she can avoid being raped all by herself. instead of blaming the instructor, she should be blaming her fellow female airmen. if I am reading her correctly. I'd say she sounds hysterical, but I don't want to trigger anybody right now. Maybe, but when you take the emotional charge out of it she makes some very good points. I'd be pretty angry too if I thought someone was making me into a social pariah at work under the guise of helping me. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:50:30 PM EDT
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Lotta people not readin' up in this bitch. Dead on. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:55:17 PM EDT
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Airman Article Alleged Female Airman Goes Off in Scathing Letter About Sexual Harassment Training: ‘You Disgust Me’ and ‘Made Me Into a Helpless Whore’ You made me a victim today, and I am nobody’s victim. I am an American Airman in the most powerful Air Force in the world, and you made me into a helpless whore. A sensitive, defenseless woman who has no power to protect herself, who has nothing in common with the men she works with. You made me untouchable, and by doing that you made me a target. You gave me a transparent parasol, called it an umbrella and told me to stand idly by while you placed everything from rape to inappropriate shoulder brushes in a crowded hallway underneath it. I spent 10 years in the AF, and I've been thru SARC training more times then I can remember, but what I do remember is a guy in my squadron, who was charged with rape, charges dropped on first day of GCM. Seems texting your rapist for 7 months after it happened and how your gonna scream rape if he doesn't marry you, gets you off the hook. As an Air Force person I guarantee the powers that be in the Air Force are DESPERATELY trying to figure out who this woman is... And she'll be a civilian in the morning if they can find out. She should keep her head down and not say another word outside a pseudonym. She has violated possibly the most important rule possible: Never Challenge The Bullshit. The bullshit expands out of everything from Fit To Fight (Which totally *ISN'T* a force shaping tool  ) to the idea that the biggest priorities to the Air Force isn't keeping airplanes in the air putting warheads on hadji foreheads. It's telling people not to kill themselves and don't rape anyone. Actually learning your job comes a distant last.
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Posted: 5/15/2015 2:58:47 PM EDT
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the woman who wrote the letter is right on the money she is disgusted by political correctness she doesn't like being treated like a helpless victim how can you guys not see that, it's literally the topic of the entire letter Some people fail at reading comprehension. Some of them would surprise you if you knew what they do in the real world. |
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Posted: 5/15/2015 3:00:51 PM EDT
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Government Computer Doubletap
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