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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:45:58 PM EDT
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i find it better to use cheap wood that can be easily replaced and won't ricochet
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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:57:34 PM EDT
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Pipe isn't hardened. Most pistol rounds will deflect, bounce off, or dent it. Some pistol rounds will blow through it like hot butter. Think about it.......223 pistols, TC pistols in rifle calibers, etc.
I think our range cover is 4x6 structural steel posts or I beams.. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:58:29 PM EDT
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You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:00:11 PM EDT
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You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits. This |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:02:18 PM EDT
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i find it better to use cheap wood that can be easily replaced and won't ricochet And this.... ETA......we used sch 40 pipe as long range air rifles in the shops to shoot electrical connectors at the pigeons in the ceilings with compressed air. 
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:14:00 PM EDT
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I find that metal studs screwed to 4x4s work about as well as anything.
Studs from the ground up with 5/4 deck boards spanning the studs top and bottom of target. (easy to stick tacks into for paper targets) When a stud gets too bad, just replace it with another. They screw together so they're good as new. Really light and easy to deal with. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:14:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits. This I can't see 9mm & .45 blowing holes in Black gas pipe from 25 yards |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:16:05 PM EDT
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You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits. This I can't see 9mm & .45 blowing holes in Black gas pipe from 25 yards I think they were talking about PVC. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:20:09 PM EDT
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I guess we'll see shortly I can't see 9mm & .45 blowing holes in Black gas pipe from 25 yards Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits. This I can't see 9mm & .45 blowing holes in Black gas pipe from 25 yards I have to imagine they are thinking PVC. 9mm or .45acp are not going to puncture black iron pipe unless you happen to get the same place a couple of times. I would however be a little concerned about ricochet, have been hit with a few. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:28:43 PM EDT
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You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits. Pretty much this. I use Sched 40 in my work as well as shoot on a range which includes building and re building target frames and PVC pipe would make a dangerous mess. PVC, when hit with a bullet or backhoe tooth, shatters into near razor sharp pieces. You could easily dress and skin a wild hog with a piece of broken PVC pipe. Not bio degradable and would leave a white mess as bad as broken glass. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:30:20 PM EDT
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DID YOU SAY SCHEDULE 40 POT?! NOT TODAY BUSTER!! WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN SHOOTING UP ANY OF YOUR FILTHY POT HERE!
/calls cops 
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:30:24 PM EDT
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1-1/4" Sch 40 is like 0.140" thick.
I've shot 10ga (0.135") plate with 9mm and 45ACP. It dented somewhat. Mild .357 cast loads dented it heavily. I'd imagine the pipe will be perforated pretty soon. Don't shoot the frame. 
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:33:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to imagine they are thinking PVC. 9mm or .45acp are not going to puncture black iron pipe unless you happen to get the same place a couple of times. I would however be a little concerned about ricochet, have been hit with a few. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits. This I can't see 9mm & .45 blowing holes in Black gas pipe from 25 yards I have to imagine they are thinking PVC. 9mm or .45acp are not going to puncture black iron pipe unless you happen to get the same place a couple of times. I would however be a little concerned about ricochet, have been hit with a few. 10" gongs on the bottom row, 8" gongs on the top row on swing bars so they swing front to back each end top rail extends out 2' on each side with a 12' gongs , one on each side (at 25 yards) At 10 yards the dueling tree will be centered Out at further distances there will be other gongs , a 20" and a few others |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:33:43 PM EDT
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Ball ammo will poke holes. Light lead target rounds will dent/damage. Will not last.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:34:14 PM EDT
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I think they were talking about PVC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits. This I can't see 9mm & .45 blowing holes in Black gas pipe from 25 yards I think they were talking about PVC. Yep. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:35:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits. This I can't see 9mm & .45 blowing holes in Black gas pipe from 25 yards I think they were talking about PVC. Yep. I am rebuilding the range and using 1 1/4" Black steel Gas pipe for the frame |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:37:31 PM EDT
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I use PVC pipe, it's cheap and super easy to have extra pipe and fitting on hand to cut on the spot if it takes a hit.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:40:33 PM EDT
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Yeah but right there in the OP I said I am rebuilding the range and using 1 1/4" Black steel Gas pipe for the frame 
Wait a minute, it only said "Gas pipe" before the edit, which should have been enough of a clue, but was overlooked.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:40:38 PM EDT
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How about welding an angle on the forward face for added beef and deflection - like this:
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:41:14 PM EDT
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Black iron pipe is not going to last long in this role. It's expensive too. How about bending rebar?
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:43:03 PM EDT
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I've used iron pipe for stands and they mostly held up fine. A good hit with rifle FMJ meant replacing a section, but pistol I never had a problem.
And cows will tear the shit out of those things. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:43:41 PM EDT
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DID YOU SAY SCHEDULE 40 POT?! NOT TODAY BUSTER!! WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN SHOOTING UP ANY OF YOUR FILTHY POT HERE! /calls cops 
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:46:54 PM EDT
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Rifle JHPs will mess it up too. I've destroyed enough black iron and mild angle iron to not consider it for long-term use. im not sure 90 degree angle iron will hold up either. It might need to be a shallower angle.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:47:18 PM EDT
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I just bought a but load of t post hangers from jcsteel. They may be the best thing ever if they're half as good as I hope.
I want targets I can move easily without much risk of frame damage. replacing 2x4 gets old. I shoot a lot of lead and the fragments tear it up. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:48:32 PM EDT
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Bet you get a couple years out of it.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:51:34 PM EDT
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Should have used cast iron pipe.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:56:45 PM EDT
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Cast iron is brittle. Not sure it would be a good choice either.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about welding an angle on the forward face for added beef and deflection - like this: http://m3.i.pbase.com/o9/72/325172/1/159963083.ZlkYE67R.pipeangle.jpg I'm not too worried about ricochets from the round pipe, good Idea though, I'll check into it |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Black iron pipe is not going to last long in this role. It's expensive too. How about bending rebar? It's getting prepped with Black rustolium , we are using 1 1/4" pipe Think of a 10' wide swing set with an upper level and lower level of steel plates suspended by steel rods |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:00:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rifle JHPs will mess it up too. I've destroyed enough black iron and mild angle iron to not consider it for long-term use. im not sure 90 degree angle iron will hold up either. It might need to be a shallower angle. We have a different set up for rifle |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:06:19 PM EDT
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I guess we'll see shortly I can't see 9mm & .45 blowing holes in Black gas pipe from 25 yards Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'll blow it all the pieces in the first few hits. This I can't see 9mm & .45 blowing holes in Black gas pipe from 25 yards You'll see it soon enough. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:10:03 PM EDT
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What part of 9 mm & .45 did you not read? We have a different set up for rifle Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle JHPs will mess it up too. I've destroyed enough black iron and mild angle iron to not consider it for long-term use. im not sure 90 degree angle iron will hold up either. It might need to be a shallower angle. We have a different set up for rifle What part of the post two above mind did you not read? I saw your setup is for pistol. Calm down...have a drink. Pistol will still bust it up. It will dent, bend, and eventually break at the seam. It's cheap-ass mild steel. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:10:05 PM EDT
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I find that metal studs screwed to 4x4s work about as well as anything. Studs from the ground up with 5/4 deck boards spanning the studs top and bottom of target. (easy to stick tacks into for paper targets) When a stud gets too bad, just replace it with another. They screw together so they're good as new. Really light and easy to deal with. Interdasting. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:12:01 PM EDT
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What part of 9 mm & .45 did you not read? We have a different set up for rifle Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rifle JHPs will mess it up too. I've destroyed enough black iron and mild angle iron to not consider it for long-term use. im not sure 90 degree angle iron will hold up either. It might need to be a shallower angle. We have a different set up for rifle Don't worry OP it will be FINE for those cal. pistol rounds Hate to shatter all the non shooters notions of how powerful their pistol is - BUT you don't need AR500 for pistol or SG rounds Sorry about the vertical video - can't run the phone cam with one hand and shoot with the other 
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:19:00 PM EDT
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How about welding an angle on the forward face for added beef and deflection - like this: http://m3.i.pbase.com/o9/72/325172/1/159963083.ZlkYE67R.pipeangle.jpg This. I've seen this on older ranges where they put hardened steel around the weight supporting beam to protect it. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:44:52 PM EDT
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Don't worry OP it will be FINE for those cal. pistol rounds Hate to shatter all the non shooters notions of how powerful their pistol is - BUT you don't need AR500 for pistol or SG rounds Sorry about the vertical video - can't run the phone cam with one hand and shoot with the other  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOB6NErchcg
1 1/4 OD black iron pipe wall is a little more than 1/8" thick mild steel. Defense caliber pistol rounds will deform and break 3/16" mild A36 in short order, especially if used on a high-volume range. ive shot more stuff in the past 15 years than probably 75% of this forum. And I'm far from a "non shooter". |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:59:15 PM EDT
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I built 3/4" Sch 40 PVC target stands. They are 2' wide by 4' high. I made the base 2' by 4' and filled the base pieces with mortar. They don't blow over. The pieces are pushed together, no glue. I can put them together and take them apart for transport and storage.
I never thought that anybody could hit 3/4" pipe at 100 yards. The guy 5 lanes over proves me wrong every time.  |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:24:49 PM EDT
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bed frames from the recycle center and the welder
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Posted: 5/5/2015 11:16:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What part of the post two above mind did you not read? I saw your setup is for pistol. Calm down...have a drink. Pistol will still bust it up. It will dent, bend, and eventually break at the seam. It's cheap-ass mild steel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Rifle JHPs will mess it up too. I've destroyed enough black iron and mild angle iron to not consider it for long-term use. im not sure 90 degree angle iron will hold up either. It might need to be a shallower angle. We have a different set up for rifle What part of the post two above mind did you not read? I saw your setup is for pistol. Calm down...have a drink. Pistol will still bust it up. It will dent, bend, and eventually break at the seam. It's cheap-ass mild steel.  |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 11:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1 1/4 OD black iron pipe wall is a little more than 1/8" thick mild steel. Defense caliber pistol rounds will deform and break 3/16" mild A36 in short order, especially if used on a high-volume range. ive shot more stuff in the past 15 years than probably 75% of this forum. And I'm far from a "non shooter". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't worry OP it will be FINE for those cal. pistol rounds Hate to shatter all the non shooters notions of how powerful their pistol is - BUT you don't need AR500 for pistol or SG rounds Sorry about the vertical video - can't run the phone cam with one hand and shoot with the other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOB6NErchcg1 1/4 OD black iron pipe wall is a little more than 1/8" thick mild steel. Defense caliber pistol rounds will deform and break 3/16" mild A36 in short order, especially if used on a high-volume range. ive shot more stuff in the past 15 years than probably 75% of this forum. And I'm far from a "non shooter". That matters and these are pistol rds, one of us will be proven right as soon as I assemble the whole thing even so, if it becomes a problem (I doubt it) I can always do what someone suggested and put on angle iron to protect the frame |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 7:10:51 AM EDT
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The black pipe is the frame which will take splatter and an occasion hit , also how ,amy hits are direct dead center of the pipe ? That matters and these are pistol rds, one of us will be proven right as soon as I assemble the whole thing even so, if it becomes a problem (I doubt it) I can always do what someone suggested and put on angle iron to protect the frame Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't worry OP it will be FINE for those cal. pistol rounds Hate to shatter all the non shooters notions of how powerful their pistol is - BUT you don't need AR500 for pistol or SG rounds Sorry about the vertical video - can't run the phone cam with one hand and shoot with the other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOB6NErchcg
1 1/4 OD black iron pipe wall is a little more than 1/8" thick mild steel. Defense caliber pistol rounds will deform and break 3/16" mild A36 in short order, especially if used on a high-volume range. ive shot more stuff in the past 15 years than probably 75% of this forum. And I'm far from a "non shooter". That matters and these are pistol rds, one of us will be proven right as soon as I assemble the whole thing even so, if it becomes a problem (I doubt it) I can always do what someone suggested and put on angle iron to protect the frame So, let's get this straight. You ask a question, because you don't have the slightest idea about the effects shooting thin iron pipe. All of a sudden, after a mix of a few opinions, you now know for certain you're idea was right all along, and you didn't need anyone to disagree with you. Sound about right? If you "know" direct hits don't matter, and you know it "matters" whether a pistol round is involved, why ask the question? Sounds to me like you just wanted someone to back your idea and give you a pat on the back. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:14:08 AM EDT
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Is this for a club range, or your own personal range?
If it's just personal use its going to hold up a while. If it's seeing any kind of heavy use, it is going to get dangerous fast. Hits on the pipe are going to leave a good dent. Follow on hits in the dents will make holes and could cause erratic richocets. Even if the pipe is a decent distance away from the gongs it will get hit. If it's for yourself and a couple friends, go with it as is, add angle iron later if necessary in the heavy wear spots. If it's going to receive heavy use add 1/4" angle iron to the pipe now. It will be much easier to do on clean pipe than adding it later to pipe that is dented, bent and full holes. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 9:06:16 AM EDT
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I find that metal studs screwed to 4x4s work about as well as anything. Studs from the ground up with 5/4 deck boards spanning the studs top and bottom of target. (easy to stick tacks into for paper targets) When a stud gets too bad, just replace it with another. They screw together so they're good as new. Really light and easy to deal with. Interdasting. The studs are tougher than you might think(Hell, even 10 mm won't hurt it much) and the best part is you don't have to worry about anything coming back at you.
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Posted: 5/6/2015 9:23:08 AM EDT
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I made my target stands from old bed frames and chicken wire backing. Just kept an eye open and had friends look at yard sales, craigs list ect. Spring steel angle irons with the seam pointed to the shooter so it deflected. Has taken hits, they are wide enough stands that the paper is held up by chicken wire, can take a lot of shots and still hold paper and takes a pretty bad miss to hit the stand. Maybe have $20 tied up in it, a few where give away.
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Posted: 5/6/2015 11:28:54 AM EDT
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Tried black iron pipe. .223 shatters it. Costly to build and maintain. Started bending up rebar and welding it. Cheap hard to damage holds up real well. Use it as the frame. Collect cardboard squares and use spray contact cement to put targets on cardboard. Everyone likes the idea. Wind up giving them away in exchange for shooting on some ones property. Easy to just spray old target on cardboard and slap another target over it. Change out the cardboard every so often.
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Posted: 5/6/2015 2:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, let's get this straight. You ask a question, because you don't have the slightest idea about the effects shooting thin iron pipe. All of a sudden, after a mix of a few opinions, you now know for certain you're idea was right all along, and you didn't need anyone to disagree with you. Sound about right? If you "know" direct hits don't matter, and you know it "matters" whether a pistol round is involved, why ask the question? Sounds to me like you just wanted someone to back your idea and give you a pat on the back. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't worry OP it will be FINE for those cal. pistol rounds Hate to shatter all the non shooters notions of how powerful their pistol is - BUT you don't need AR500 for pistol or SG rounds Sorry about the vertical video - can't run the phone cam with one hand and shoot with the other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOB6NErchcg1 1/4 OD black iron pipe wall is a little more than 1/8" thick mild steel. Defense caliber pistol rounds will deform and break 3/16" mild A36 in short order, especially if used on a high-volume range. ive shot more stuff in the past 15 years than probably 75% of this forum. And I'm far from a "non shooter". That matters and these are pistol rds, one of us will be proven right as soon as I assemble the whole thing even so, if it becomes a problem (I doubt it) I can always do what someone suggested and put on angle iron to protect the frame So, let's get this straight. You ask a question, because you don't have the slightest idea about the effects shooting thin iron pipe. All of a sudden, after a mix of a few opinions, you now know for certain you're idea was right all along, and you didn't need anyone to disagree with you. Sound about right? If you "know" direct hits don't matter, and you know it "matters" whether a pistol round is involved, why ask the question? Sounds to me like you just wanted someone to back your idea and give you a pat on the back. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 2:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this for a club range, or your own personal range? If it's just personal use its going to hold up a while. If it's seeing any kind of heavy use, it is going to get dangerous fast. Hits on the pipe are going to leave a good dent. Follow on hits in the dents will make holes and could cause erratic richocets. Even if the pipe is a decent distance away from the gongs it will get hit. If it's for yourself and a couple friends, go with it as is, add angle iron later if necessary in the heavy wear spots. If it's going to receive heavy use add 1/4" angle iron to the pipe now. It will be much easier to do on clean pipe than adding it later to pipe that is dented, bent and full holes. I think the angle iron cover is a good idea, I'll have a welder we know Tack weld it strong enough to hold it in place, I don't weld anything any more, enough little white scars on my arms |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 2:37:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tried black iron pipe. .223 shatters it. Costly to build and maintain. Started bending up rebar and welding it. Cheap hard to damage holds up real well. Use it as the frame. Collect cardboard squares and use spray contact cement to put targets on cardboard. Everyone likes the idea. Wind up giving them away in exchange for shooting on some ones property. Easy to just spray old target on cardboard and slap another target over it. Change out the cardboard every so often. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 2:42:38 PM EDT
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Probably cheaper to just build it out of angle steel, skip the pipe.
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Posted: 5/6/2015 5:32:52 PM EDT
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No, after some posts I started researching what people here said and separated the BS from the truth Got it. Didn't know the first thing about what you were talking about, so you posted a question on a gun board. Heard what you wanted to hear, then decided you would "research what others here said" for an hour, now you're an expert. Everyone else is stupid. This makes total sense to an adolescent. |
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