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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:37:11 PM EDT
So if I don't have an OFFICIAL receipt from the individual sending me a rifle or handgun through his/her FFL to MY FFL how do I show my FFL what I paid other than an email of correspondence showing agreed price/transaction
Is this sufficient enough? NV started collecting sales tax 
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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:38:12 PM EDT
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Try to convince the FFL its a gift?
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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:39:50 PM EDT
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yeah it's fucking nonsense several of them are not collecting it. I am pretty sure New Frontier Armory was trying to fight it.
I would declare it a gift. here's the thread on it in the NVHTF http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_22/575784_Sales_Tax_on_Incoming_Transfers_and_Transfer_Fee_s_will_become_a_reality_momentarily________.html |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:40:16 PM EDT
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generally they look up what the fair market value is then charge you tax on that.
Least that's how they've done it in WA state in lieu of an invoice. Get the guy to send you a letter stating how much he sold it to you for. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:50:25 PM EDT
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The last place I bought a gun from has this on their website
PLEASE NOTE: The State of Nevada Dept of Taxation has determined that Nevada sales tax must be collected on all firearm purchases when they are delivered to Nevada residents, unless the seller has collected sales tax from the buyer. In addition, the Dept of Taxation has determined that the transfer fees are taxable. If you have questions or comments about the requirement, please contact the State of Nevada at 1-866-962-3707. As a result of the state mandate, we must be provided a copy of your sales receipt during or prior to picking up your firearm. If the seller does not provide a sales receipt with your shipment, we cannot deliver your firearm unless you provide a receipt when you come in. If you purchase from a private seller (via Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, etc), a print out from the website is acceptable. If we are transferring a gift from an out of state family member, we need a signed declaration from the sender that states this is a gift to you and no money has been exchanged. We cannot accept resale certificates unless you are an FFL licensee. Please understand that we do not agree with the mandate, but are legally required to comply with it. As a result of the additional work we are required to do by the State, please note our fee structure has changed: |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:57:07 PM EDT
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Damn!...just when I thought I was getting a deal
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Posted: 5/5/2015 7:58:50 PM EDT
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Is it used? If so there shouldn't be a sales tax on it? I am pretty sure in CA they only charge sales tax on new guns bought online, but not for used sales from individuals.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:01:11 PM EDT
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Is it used? If so there shouldn't be a sales tax on it? I am pretty sure in CA they only charge sales tax on new guns bought online, but not for used sales from individuals. They don't care if it's used |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:02:47 PM EDT
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They don't care if it's used Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it used? If so there shouldn't be a sales tax on it? I am pretty sure in CA they only charge sales tax on new guns bought online, but not for used sales from individuals. They don't care if it's used So the state still requires you to pay sales tax on a used item? How does that even work? 
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:04:33 PM EDT
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I just picked up a transfer today from NFA. If there is no invoice in the package and it came from an individual, THEY DO NOT CHARGE TAX.
 . If you buy it online fom an FFL, distributor, etc. you get charged tax.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:06:30 PM EDT
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But we don't pay sales tax on used cars bought from private sellers
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:07:43 PM EDT
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The last place I bought a gun from has this on their website Quote HistoryQuoted:
The last place I bought a gun from has this on their website PLEASE NOTE: The State of Nevada Dept of Taxation has determined that Nevada sales tax must be collected on all firearm purchases when they are delivered to Nevada residents, unless the seller has collected sales tax from the buyer. In addition, the Dept of Taxation has determined that the transfer fees are taxable. If you have questions or comments about the requirement, please contact the State of Nevada at 1-866-962-3707.
As a result of the state mandate, we must be provided a copy of your sales receipt during or prior to picking up your firearm. If the seller does not provide a sales receipt with your shipment, we cannot deliver your firearm unless you provide a receipt when you come in. If you purchase from a private seller (via Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, etc), a print out from the website is acceptable. If we are transferring a gift from an out of state family member, we need a signed declaration from the sender that states this is a gift to you and no money has been exchanged. We cannot accept resale certificates unless you are an FFL licensee. Please understand that we do not agree with the mandate, but are legally required to comply with it. As a result of the additional work we are required to do by the State, please note our fee structure has changed: All of that is bullshit. I spent about an hour looking up the exact wording to the state's law. No where does it state any of that nonsense. That is crap the receiving FFL is trying to pull. 
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:30:37 PM EDT
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But we don't pay sales tax on used cars bought from private sellers Wait for it. It happens in Georgia now under the guise of not having to pay advolurm tax. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:54:12 PM EDT
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All of that is bullshit. I spent about an hour looking up the exact wording to the state's law. No where does it state any of that nonsense. That is crap the receiving FFL is trying to pull.
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The last place I bought a gun from has this on their website PLEASE NOTE: The State of Nevada Dept of Taxation has determined that Nevada sales tax must be collected on all firearm purchases when they are delivered to Nevada residents, unless the seller has collected sales tax from the buyer. In addition, the Dept of Taxation has determined that the transfer fees are taxable. If you have questions or comments about the requirement, please contact the State of Nevada at 1-866-962-3707.
As a result of the state mandate, we must be provided a copy of your sales receipt during or prior to picking up your firearm. If the seller does not provide a sales receipt with your shipment, we cannot deliver your firearm unless you provide a receipt when you come in. If you purchase from a private seller (via Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, etc), a print out from the website is acceptable. If we are transferring a gift from an out of state family member, we need a signed declaration from the sender that states this is a gift to you and no money has been exchanged. We cannot accept resale certificates unless you are an FFL licensee. Please understand that we do not agree with the mandate, but are legally required to comply with it. As a result of the additional work we are required to do by the State, please note our fee structure has changed: All of that is bullshit. I spent about an hour looking up the exact wording to the state's law. No where does it state any of that nonsense. That is crap the receiving FFL is trying to pull.
And now it is your turn to apologize: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_22/575784_Sales_Tax_on_Incoming_Transfers_and_Transfer_Fee_s_will_become_a_reality_momentarily________.html |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:25:41 PM EDT
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So.... If I don't provide a receipt they won't give me MY PAID for guns?!?
Bull shit! I hope the shop owners I'm transferring to aren't buttholes... |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:29:18 PM EDT
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Damn!...just when I thought I was getting a deal The one thing in life that is guaranteed is that the tax man will come up with ever more egregious ways of fucking over the citizenry for a buck. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:29:50 PM EDT
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So the state still requires you to pay sales tax on a used item? How does that even work? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it used? If so there shouldn't be a sales tax on it? I am pretty sure in CA they only charge sales tax on new guns bought online, but not for used sales from individuals. They don't care if it's used So the state still requires you to pay sales tax on a used item? How does that even work? They want more money. They pass a law. They get more money. That's how that shit works. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:34:01 PM EDT
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let see
Wa - sales tax on guns from out of state. background checks on all gun sales Ore- no sales tax . background check on guns NV- sale tax on out of state guns. background checks are next. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:49:20 PM EDT
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Is it used? If so there shouldn't be a sales tax on it? I am pretty sure in CA they only charge sales tax on new guns bought online, but not for used sales from individuals. As I understand it that is true, for now, but even if it is a car you are supposed to still file it on your taxes. Used purchases are still taxable and are on a "honor system" if you will. But that does not mean you are NOT supposed to claim them. If you win $500 at a casino, there is no paperwork to fill out. BUt you are supposed to claim the winnings on your taxes. Many don't! That is how it was explained to me any how. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 9:59:50 PM EDT
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And now it is your turn to apologize: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_22/575784_Sales_Tax_on_Incoming_Transfers_and_Transfer_Fee_s_will_become_a_reality_momentarily________.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The last place I bought a gun from has this on their website PLEASE NOTE: The State of Nevada Dept of Taxation has determined that Nevada sales tax must be collected on all firearm purchases when they are delivered to Nevada residents, unless the seller has collected sales tax from the buyer. In addition, the Dept of Taxation has determined that the transfer fees are taxable. If you have questions or comments about the requirement, please contact the State of Nevada at 1-866-962-3707.
As a result of the state mandate, we must be provided a copy of your sales receipt during or prior to picking up your firearm. If the seller does not provide a sales receipt with your shipment, we cannot deliver your firearm unless you provide a receipt when you come in. If you purchase from a private seller (via Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, etc), a print out from the website is acceptable. If we are transferring a gift from an out of state family member, we need a signed declaration from the sender that states this is a gift to you and no money has been exchanged. We cannot accept resale certificates unless you are an FFL licensee. Please understand that we do not agree with the mandate, but are legally required to comply with it. As a result of the additional work we are required to do by the State, please note our fee structure has changed: All of that is bullshit. I spent about an hour looking up the exact wording to the state's law. No where does it state any of that nonsense. That is crap the receiving FFL is trying to pull.
And now it is your turn to apologize: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_22/575784_Sales_Tax_on_Incoming_Transfers_and_Transfer_Fee_s_will_become_a_reality_momentarily________.html Apologize my ass. You do not have to pay sales tax to the FFL when you are receiving a transfer from a private individual. Especially if it is a trade deal. So smart guy, show me the exact wording from the state that says that you have to. 
The bottom line is that I picked up my wheelgun today and DID NOT HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX TO THE FFL. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:07:12 PM EDT
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Read these.
http://tax.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/taxnvgov/Content/TaxLibrary/SUT_15-0001_Retail_Sales_of_Firearms.pdf http://www.nevadashooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16349&d=1424624486 http://www.nevadashooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16350&d=1424624528 |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:11:38 PM EDT
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Do you need a receipt to register firearms in Nevada?
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:13:51 PM EDT
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Do you need a receipt to register firearms in Nevada? No. Only pistols are required to be registered in Clark County. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:17:30 PM EDT
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No. Only pistols are required to be registered in Clark County. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you need a receipt to register firearms in Nevada? No. Only pistols are required to be registered in Clark County. Do you need receipts to register those? I brought pistols for SHOT. Did I break the law? |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:19:37 PM EDT
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No. You were a visitor and left with those pistols.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:27:50 PM EDT
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No. Only pistols are required to be registered, and only in Clark County. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you need a receipt to register firearms in Nevada? No. Only pistols are required to be registered, and only in Clark County. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:28:28 PM EDT
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Read these. http://tax.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/taxnvgov/Content/TaxLibrary/SUT_15-0001_Retail_Sales_of_Firearms.pdf http://www.nevadashooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16349&d=1424624486 http://www.nevadashooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16350&d=1424624528 Quote HistoryQuoted:
Read these. http://tax.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/taxnvgov/Content/TaxLibrary/SUT_15-0001_Retail_Sales_of_Firearms.pdf http://www.nevadashooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16349&d=1424624486 http://www.nevadashooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16350&d=1424624528 Read your own links loudmouth. The burden of proof is on the buyer: When a FFL delivers a firearm purchased from an out of state retailer to a Nevada
consumer, the Nevada FFL must collect and remit sales tax on the purchase price of the firearm unless the consumer can show that tax has been paid or that the sale is an occasional sale. 2 per year is the NV definition of "occasional". If the weapon came from another FFL it is taxable. And you can bet the tax weenies will be looking for multiple sales from individuals. A dealer would not have access to the records the state has, and would be smart to treat it all as taxable. But clench your little fists and jump up & down all you like. You sound like the clown in the wrangler with the huge Hk logo on the back, cutting off people & giving them the finger I saw on Decatur yesterday... |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:30:26 PM EDT
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Do you need a receipt to register firearms in Nevada? No. Only pistols are required to be registered, and only in Clark County. I can't believe registration is required anywhere in your state.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:32:04 PM EDT
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Have the seller give you a receipt that says gift in the box going to the ffl.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:33:39 PM EDT
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As I understand it that is true, for now, but even if it is a car you are supposed to still file it on your taxes. Used purchases are still taxable and are on a "honor system" if you will. But that does not mean you are NOT supposed to claim them. If you win $500 at a casino, there is no paperwork to fill out. BUt you are supposed to claim the winnings on your taxes. Many don't! That is how it was explained to me any how. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it used? If so there shouldn't be a sales tax on it? I am pretty sure in CA they only charge sales tax on new guns bought online, but not for used sales from individuals. As I understand it that is true, for now, but even if it is a car you are supposed to still file it on your taxes. Used purchases are still taxable and are on a "honor system" if you will. But that does not mean you are NOT supposed to claim them. If you win $500 at a casino, there is no paperwork to fill out. BUt you are supposed to claim the winnings on your taxes. Many don't! That is how it was explained to me any how. Well that would be income. Buying a used item from an individual? |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:35:22 PM EDT
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I can't believe registration is required anywhere in your state. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you need a receipt to register firearms in Nevada? No. Only pistols are required to be registered, and only in Clark County. I can't believe registration is required anywhere in your state. Most of the people in NV live in Clark County. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:35:51 PM EDT
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So essentially, NV is requiring FFLs in the state to falsify tax documents to overstate their gross receipts.
NRS 372.025(1):
“Gross receipts” means the total amount of the sale or lease or rental price, as the case may be, of the retail sales of retailers, valued in money, whether received in money or otherwise, But the "sale" didn't occur in NV, only a statutorily required transfer. NRS 372.060(1). “Sale” means and includes any transfer of title or possession, exchange, barter, lease or rental, conditional or otherwise, in any manner or by any means whatsoever, of tangible personal property for a consideration..
Ok, so there is a transfer of possession, but if the FFL doesn't charge for it, that transfer is not for a consideration. Sounds like you NV guys need to get a fund going and hire a good tax lawyer to tell the Dept. of Taxation to shove it up their ass. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:36:28 PM EDT
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Most of the people in NV live in Clark County. I know, that's what sickens me about learning about this. I visit Clark Co. twice a year. My family lives in Henderson. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:39:17 PM EDT
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So essentially, NV is requiring FFLs in the state to falsify tax documents to overstate their gross receipts. NRS 372.025(1): “Gross receipts” means the total amount of the sale or lease or rental price, as the case may be, of the retail sales of retailers, valued in money, whether received in money or otherwise, But the "sale" didn't occur in NV, only a statutorily required transfer. NRS 372.060(1). “Sale” means and includes any transfer of title or possession, exchange, barter, lease or rental, conditional or otherwise, in any manner or by any means whatsoever, of tangible personal property for a consideration.. Ok, so there is a transfer of possession, but if the FFL doesn't charge for it, that transfer is not for a consideration. Sounds like you NV guys need to get a fund going and hire a good tax lawyer to tell the Dept. of Taxation to shove it up their ass. There are several shops that are looking into in but fighting the man isnt fun and they know they have the FFLs by the balls. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:43:38 PM EDT
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Do you need a receipt to register firearms in Nevada? No. Only pistols are required to be registered, and only in Clark County. I can't believe registration is required anywhere in your state. It predated state preemption. It was allegedly put in place to help the cops get charges on mafiosos. It is a disgrace that it has not been done away with. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:44:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It predated state preemption. It was allegedly put in place to help the cops get charges on mafiosos. It is a disgrace that it has not been done away with. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you need a receipt to register firearms in Nevada? No. Only pistols are required to be registered, and only in Clark County. I can't believe registration is required anywhere in your state. It predated state preemption. It was allegedly put in place to help the cops get charges on mafiosos. It is a disgrace that it has not been done away with. |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 11:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the state still requires you to pay sales tax on a used item? How does that even work? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it used? If so there shouldn't be a sales tax on it? I am pretty sure in CA they only charge sales tax on new guns bought online, but not for used sales from individuals. They don't care if it's used So the state still requires you to pay sales tax on a used item? How does that even work? |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 11:02:51 PM EDT
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Chances are good that the legislature will repeal it this year Really? I would hope so. But last I heard NV was close to passing universal background checks/registration and the only thing that saved the state was a veto from the governor? Did recent elections change the make up? |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 11:03:43 PM EDT
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So the state still requires you to pay sales tax on a used item? How does that even work? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it used? If so there shouldn't be a sales tax on it? I am pretty sure in CA they only charge sales tax on new guns bought online, but not for used sales from individuals. They don't care if it's used So the state still requires you to pay sales tax on a used item? How does that even work? We have to pay sales tax on used vehicles as well as items. Not to mention property tax on vehicles every year
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