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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:31:16 PM EDT
[#1]
THE Fudd round of choice?
No. 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:31:43 PM EDT
[#2]
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Where did the 30-30 go? My Walmart apparently. During the depths of the shortage, It consistently had 357 Sig, 45 Gap, and two loading choices of 30-30. And some 12 gauge shells. And that was it. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:31:46 PM EDT
[#3]
30-06 still out performs the 308 no matter what they think.
There is no replacement for powder capacity and the 30-06 has more. 308 can't shoot >180 grain bullets like the 30-06 can. It will be around a long time. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:32:34 PM EDT
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So was the 8mm Mauser, until surplus ammo dried up and the 8mm faded away in to the dark.  Now the 30-06 surplus ammo is getting harder and harder to find now, will the 06, meet the same fate at the 8mm Mauser s.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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30-06 fade? More of a standard for the last 100 years or so...so no I don't think it is going anywhere. So was the 8mm Mauser, until surplus ammo dried up and the 8mm faded away in to the dark. Now the 30-06 surplus ammo is getting harder and harder to find now, will the 06, meet the same fate at the 8mm Mauser s.Most people who own a 30-06 don't even know surplus ammo is sold and if they do they don't care. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:32:57 PM EDT
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So was the 8mm Mauser, until surplus ammo dried up and the 8mm faded away in to the dark. Now the 30-06 surplus ammo is getting harder and harder to find now, will the 06, meet the same fate at the 8mm Mauser s.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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30-06 fade? More of a standard for the last 100 years or so...so no I don't think it is going anywhere. So was the 8mm Mauser, until surplus ammo dried up and the 8mm faded away in to the dark. Now the 30-06 surplus ammo is getting harder and harder to find now, will the 06, meet the same fate at the 8mm Mauser s.8mm Mauser was popular because it was cheap. Bubba butchered countless Mausers to get a cheap rifle that shot the cheap ammo. I've never seen a Remington, Savage, or Ruger bolt action chambered in 8mm. I'm sure a good 8mm load from a nice rifle would perform quite well on most game, but most of the people shooting it at this point a C&R enthusiasts. Because that's what's out there. I've never seen cheap surplus .30-06. I've seen Greek stuff that undercuts stuff like PPU by a very small margin, and that's about it. Almost every major hunting rifle sold in the US have been offered in .30-06, and .30-06 has always been one of the more popular options. Long story short, I don't think .30-06 and 8mm Mauser are at all comparable in terms of the US market. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:43:04 PM EDT
[#6]
Yep .....................
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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:47:38 PM EDT
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That's because the VAST number of 30-30s on the market and out in the world are lever actions, and they are enormously popular with hunters. In the SE almost all medium and up game hunting is done with a 30-30 lever gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hell, now a days you can buy a new bolt action in many cailbers, for $300-$400, where as a new 30-30 starts out at $400 and on up. I'm pretty sure lever actions are more expensive to make than the budget bolt action guns you mention, but they also tend to be lighter, handier rifles that can be cycled faster. It's also worth mentioning that .30-30 ammo tends to be a few dollars a box cheaper than most other centerfire rifle rounds as well. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:48:02 PM EDT
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There is more of a chance of Obama going on live TV and confessing to being an American hating communist and decapitating himself with a plastic spoon, than there is to .30-06 fading in popularity.
Those revenue figures don't mean much, as most .30-06 rifles are bolt action, and not something you buy thousands of rounds of. In a hunting rifle, .30-06 is one of the top sellers. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 3:53:11 PM EDT
[#9]
I'm doing my part.
M-1 and 1903. 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:01:31 PM EDT
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Maybe back in 1990 it was top dog. Stats form 2013, the -06 not even in the top 4 http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Caliber-Popularity1.jpg http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/2013-ammo-stats/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since it's the best-selling rifle caliber in reloading dies every year since since the dawn of time, I'm gonna go with "NO". Maybe back in 1990 it was top dog. Stats form 2013, the -06 not even in the top 4 http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Caliber-Popularity1.jpg http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/2013-ammo-stats/ Interesting chart. I can see the breakout turning out that way. But I never would have considered that 9mm would be most popular by such a wide margin. However combining .223 and 5.56 the margin for 9mm being most popular closes considerably. And the fact that 9mm and .223/5.56 (combined) are the most popular calibers in the US points to the fact that current military rounds are popular in the civilian marketplace. I wonder if in the 1960s would a similar sales chart show .45ACP and 30.06 as the most popular rounds? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe back in 1990 it was top dog. Stats form 2013, the -06 not even in the top 4 http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Caliber-Popularity1.jpg http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/2013-ammo-stats/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Since it's the best-selling rifle caliber in reloading dies every year since since the dawn of time, I'm gonna go with "NO". Maybe back in 1990 it was top dog. Stats form 2013, the -06 not even in the top 4 http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Caliber-Popularity1.jpg http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/2013-ammo-stats/ |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:06:40 PM EDT
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I couldn't see how- Its been in use for over 100 years. There's MILLIONS of firearms, both mil and civilian in circulation. That's a pretty big genie to put back in a bottle. Also disagree on your assessment of the 30-30 on the same basis.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:06:55 PM EDT
[#13]
hell no, that cartridge won 2 world wars and then killed a shit ton of chinamen in korea and nam
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:09:38 PM EDT
[#14]
My son killed 5 deer with a 30.06 last winter.
So, my full freezer says "Hell No!" |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:10:29 PM EDT
[#15]
Thats real retarded sir
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:14:22 PM EDT
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That's for loaded ammo. Ragin_Cajun said reloading dies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since it's the best-selling rifle caliber in reloading dies every year since since the dawn of time, I'm gonna go with "NO". Maybe back in 1990 it was top dog. Stats form 2013, the -06 not even in the top 4 http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Caliber-Popularity1.jpg http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/2013-ammo-stats/ Horry sheet, someone who can actually read! 
But I was still wrong. According to RCBS's ranking of die sales from 2012ish, .30-06 has slipped from number 1 
...to number 2 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:20:09 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote History[b]Originally Posted By 07AMF
The 30-06 will go away when America does. So true. God bless America. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:21:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never. This. As long as there are centerfire rifles, there will be .30-06 ammo. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:22:54 PM EDT
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I'm done with it. My first hunting rifle was a 30-06 and I had 13 rifles in 30-06 at one point, but just have 4 heirlooms/collectables left. Where we hunt, more velocity often comes in handy.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:25:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .30-30 is fading? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Will the 30-06 cartridge use, fade away as the .300 savage, 30-30, 35 Rem, 32 Win, 44-40 have. .30-30 is fading? I think the OP may be a little ignorant or just stupid. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:26:39 PM EDT
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You think the 30-30 has faded away? LOL, OP needs to get out of the basement and off Arfcom! |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:28:06 PM EDT
[#22]
Op, you must not get out much. The .30-06 is alive and well. Fifty years from now it will still be dropping deer. I got my first moose with it too.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:28:38 PM EDT
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Nope As long as there is a BAR there will be 30-06 http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-12/thumbs/1386819487_bar-hcar-3.jpg 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:33:10 PM EDT
[#24]
The 30-06 will be around for at least another century. It is the most versatile hunting round in the U.S. and possibly the world.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:36:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Nope
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:41:02 PM EDT
[#26]
With all due respect to the OP, there have been numerous idiotic firearms threads recently: Some schmoe posted a bunch of bilge saying that the M14 was no good. Then another idiot opined that the Colt Python was over-rated. Then another dope wondered whether revolvers were still relevant. And now this post. What will be the next retarded thread? Let me guess: "Is clean underwear a necessity?" Or perhaps, "Should I teach my girlfriend to pick her nose?" |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:42:41 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With all due respect to the OP, there have been numerous idiotic firearms threads recently: Some schmoe posted a bunch of bilge saying that the M14 was no good. Then another idiot opined that the Colt Python was over-rated. Then another dope wondered whether revolvers were still relevant. And now this post. What will be the next retarded thread? Let me guess: "Is clean underwear a necessity?" Or perhaps, "Should I teach my girlfriend to pick her nose?" How about "Does Fluffy have too many Garands?" |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:46:13 PM EDT
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You think the 30-30 has faded away? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:56:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Eh, if it does I have half a dozen ice cream pails of brass.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:59:20 PM EDT
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And now this post. What will be the next retarded thread? Let me guess: "Is clean underwear a necessity?" Or perhaps, "Should I teach my girlfriend to pick her nose?" Yep, sometimes, one has too much time on their hands, and just asks questions that never needed to be asked. First world problems maybe? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:07:30 PM EDT
[#31]
DA FUQ kind of question is this?
The .30-06 will last until metallic cartridge firearms fade into obsolescence. It's an American classic that has no end in popularity. No, the .30-30 or even the .270 aren't going anywhere, either. 8mm? Between the World War bringbacks, surplus sales in the US and the hunters in Europe it'll stick around, too. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:18:14 PM EDT
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Military cartridges don't fade away... ...the 45-70 entered service in 1873 and it's still going strong. As is the .45 Colt, another .mil round. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:21:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Huh, no.
I own 4 rifles chambered in 30-06 myself. Fluffy has like 87. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:23:18 PM EDT
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You think the 30-30 has faded away? This and the 30-06 is not going away anytime soon. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:15:40 PM EDT
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7.5 million 1894 s produced by Winchester with the vast majority be chambered for the 30-30. Most of those guns are still with us. That doesn't count for all of the other manufacturers of guns chambered for .30 Winchester !
30-06 no way, 6.5 million M1 Garands, 1903s, 1903A3s, 1917s, Winchester Model 70s, Remington 700s, Sakos, Tikkas, Rugers, Brownings and many more manufacturers have been chamber in 30 cal 1906 for over a hundred years. Rifles are still being made for them every day. Where else can you find ammunition that will fit your every need. From 100 grain to 220 grain bullets if you load your own. You just don't get that kind of versatility in many other cartridges. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:19:55 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Never. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:22:54 PM EDT
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It always amazes me that they came up with this cartridge in 1906. It has near perfect dimensions. Not too much neck like a lot of the cartridges of the era, just enough shoulder for excellent feeding reliability and good accuracy, good powder capacity. Moves 180 grain bullets at a damn respectable 2800fps and doesn't beat up the shooter like the 300wm, (3000-5000) rnd barrel life compared to the (1500-2000) rnds for a 300wm.
Lets be honest, history has shown that the 308 is more accurate due to it's more efficient case dimensions and powder column but can't push the heavies like the 06 does without extra long barrels and maxed out loads. The 300wm has more horsepower, no doubt, and if large bears and african plains game is your primary quarry you'd be better off with it over an 06 but you have to pay for that with more recoil and less barrel life. The 30-06 is the perfectly balanced, do-all 30cal cartridge. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:33:40 PM EDT
[#38]
Not sure but this thread reminds me I should get something that shoots 30-06.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:36:52 PM EDT
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It always amazes me that they came up with this cartridge in 1906. It has near perfect dimensions. Not too much neck like a lot of the cartridges of the era, just enough shoulder for excellent feeding reliability and good accuracy, good powder capacity. Moves 180 grain bullets at a damn respectable 2800fps and doesn't beat up the shooter like the 300wm, (3000-5000) rnd barrel life compared to the (1500-2000) rnds for a 300wm. Lets be honest, history has shown that the 308 is more accurate due to it's more efficient case dimensions and powder column but can't push the heavies like the 06 does without extra long barrels and maxed out loads. The 300wm has more horsepower, no doubt, and if large bears and african plains game is your primary quarry you'd be better off with it over an 06 but you have to pay for that with more recoil and less barrel life. The 30-06 is the perfectly balanced, do-all 30cal cartridge. The designers were heavily influenced by the Spanish-American War and the lessons learned from being on the receiving end of the 7x57...basically, the 30-03 was a straight scale-up of the 7x57 with a heavy for caliber bullet. Work in Germany on the lighter spitzer bullets in the 8x57 resulted in the 30-06 case with the 150 grain load...and the rest is history. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:38:08 PM EDT
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It always amazes me that they came up with this cartridge in 1906. It has near perfect dimensions. Not too much neck like a lot of the cartridges of the era, just enough shoulder for excellent feeding reliability and good accuracy, good powder capacity. Moves 180 grain bullets at a damn respectable 2800fps and doesn't beat up the shooter like the 300wm, (3000-5000) rnd barrel life compared to the (1500-2000) rnds for a 300wm. Lets be honest, history has shown that the 308 is more accurate due to it's more efficient case dimensions and powder column but can't push the heavies like the 06 does without extra long barrels and maxed out loads. The 300wm has more horsepower, no doubt, and if large bears and african plains game is your primary quarry you'd be better off with it a larger bore diameter over an 06 but you have to pay for that with more recoil and less barrel life. The 30-06 is the perfectly balanced, do-all 30cal cartridge. Went ahead and fixed that some. Bigger bullets for bigger critters, bigger cases for bigger distances. 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:39:01 PM EDT
[#41]
LOL ....why OP?
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:46:39 PM EDT
[#42]
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Went ahead and fixed that some. Bigger bullets for bigger critters, bigger cases for bigger distances. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It always amazes me that they came up with this cartridge in 1906. It has near perfect dimensions. Not too much neck like a lot of the cartridges of the era, just enough shoulder for excellent feeding reliability and good accuracy, good powder capacity. Moves 180 grain bullets at a damn respectable 2800fps and doesn't beat up the shooter like the 300wm, (3000-5000) rnd barrel life compared to the (1500-2000) rnds for a 300wm. Lets be honest, history has shown that the 308 is more accurate due to it's more efficient case dimensions and powder column but can't push the heavies like the 06 does without extra long barrels and maxed out loads. The 300wm has more horsepower, no doubt, and if large bears and african plains game is your primary quarry you'd be better off with it a larger bore diameter over an 06 but you have to pay for that with more recoil and less barrel life. The 30-06 is the perfectly balanced, do-all 30cal cartridge. Went ahead and fixed that some. Bigger bullets for bigger critters, bigger cases for bigger distances. well, I was discussing 30 cal versatility but yes, .33 would be my min. and would probably be carrying .375 for that scenario but that's a whole other discussion worthy of its own thread where we would all just agree that the 416 rigby is the best all around african cartridge. amirite? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:46:56 PM EDT
[#43]
Its never possible to have too many .....ever
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:48:05 PM EDT
[#44]
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Surplus ammo is not the driving force behind 30-06 today. There are more 30-06 loads in the shelf for 30-06 than any other caliber. It's the most popular hunting round in the US. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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30-06 fade? More of a standard for the last 100 years or so...so no I don't think it is going anywhere. So was the 8mm Mauser, until surplus ammo dried up and the 8mm faded away in to the dark. Now the 30-06 surplus ammo is getting harder and harder to find now, will the 06, meet the same fate at the 8mm Mauser s.Surplus ammo is not the driving force behind 30-06 today. There are more 30-06 loads in the shelf for 30-06 than any other caliber. It's the most popular hunting round in the US. Yep. It is basically the ideal caliber for North America. Small enough for deer, big enough for anything in Alaska. It isn't just popular because of milsurp weapons and ammo, it will live on long after that all dries up. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:56:44 PM EDT
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Went ahead and fixed that some. Bigger bullets for bigger critters, bigger cases for bigger distances. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It always amazes me that they came up with this cartridge in 1906. It has near perfect dimensions. Not too much neck like a lot of the cartridges of the era, just enough shoulder for excellent feeding reliability and good accuracy, good powder capacity. Moves 180 grain bullets at a damn respectable 2800fps and doesn't beat up the shooter like the 300wm, (3000-5000) rnd barrel life compared to the (1500-2000) rnds for a 300wm. Lets be honest, history has shown that the 308 is more accurate due to it's more efficient case dimensions and powder column but can't push the heavies like the 06 does without extra long barrels and maxed out loads. The 300wm has more horsepower, no doubt, and if large bears and african plains game is your primary quarry you'd be better off with it a larger bore diameter over an 06 but you have to pay for that with more recoil and less barrel life. The 30-06 is the perfectly balanced, do-all 30cal cartridge. Went ahead and fixed that some. Bigger bullets for bigger critters, bigger cases for bigger distances.  
Then I guess my .45 ACP with a 230gr bullet is better for Brown Bear hunting than a .300WM with 180GR bullet. This place is full of derp tonight. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:02:12 PM EDT
[#46]
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Nope As long as there is a BAR there will be 30-06 http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-12/thumbs/1386819487_bar-hcar-3.jpg that is a nice looking rifle but there's just something not right with doing that, am I wrong? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:03:41 PM EDT
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That cartridge isn't going anywhere. Matter of fact I just picked up a 1903 NRA match bedded in an original Sedgley stock. Nope, 30-06 is here to stay.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:09:28 PM EDT
[#48]
Obviously............you're confused.
OK, Ok, ok.....maybe when the 40w phase lazer becomes common. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:17:03 PM EDT
[#49]
I won't run out of 30-06 ammo between 2 Garands and 2 hunting rifle's plus I reload for it.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:18:04 PM EDT
[#50]
I dont think it will ever fade away as a hunting round.
The 30-30 is still very popular round here in GA. I see both calibers in little mom and pop gas stations and stores around here. |
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