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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:48:29 AM EDT
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Imagine that, government is our ''savior.'' Why am I not surprised? Poor people are poor because of inadequate health care. Obama and Big Government to the rescue! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 8:52:39 AM EDT
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Continued from above…. Of course the paperwork requirements can also be burdensome and annoying for some people. On top of this you may have states or local municipalities with odd ball tax return dates (I had one personal property tax for one company due in March whereas another for another company is due in May and then your Federal tax year may end differently than April depending on circumstances and of course the state tax year ends on May 1st for my state). Then of course you have federal laws on various things varying from but not limited to policies on potential disclosure issues to employee documentation (I-9 requirements). Of course there may also be state or local laws which require extra licenses or fees. For example if your business wants to solicit in one county, you better have a solicitation permit (a concealed weapon permit is, in my opinion, easier to get) or you may be charged with a class 2 misdemeanor (unless you are in one of the few exempted classes per state law). Then of course you have industry specific rules and regulations which may be interesting, voluminous, subject to interpretation difficulties, and/or time consuming and annoying. I’ve left out a few things however the picture should be painted: starting a legitimate business the legal way, is not as easy as some people may think. Building that business into something that can sustain itself and grow is another story altogether. 2 of 2 due to post limitations. So, you're saying that the regulatory burdens governments have imposed require that one have some level of intelligence in order to be able to navigate them and thereby succeed in making money? If the impoverished are being held back mentally by their poverty, it sounds as though such regulations serve as a means of keeping them in poverty by making it too difficult for them to succeed in making money. The new anti-poverty program should be to make it easier to make money. Remove the regulations. 
In all seriousness, I'm sure that decision-making is impaired where one is really fixated on securing the next meal. Makes long term planning and success more difficult. However, as many have already pointed out, the video's descriptions of the studies regarding brain size seem to reveal those studies to be very full of flaws. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:00:27 AM EDT
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I find it amusing where they use an income dollar figure to establish the poverty line.
First, America is the 1%, and if you make 20k, you are the top one percent in the world. Second, their figure includes tribes that's don't use money and have been living the same healthy lifestyle for centuries. Just because they don't have phones, cars, TVs, etc, they are looked at as living in poverty. They are simply using western standards to judge other cultures Finally, someone who has a smartphone, new kicks, big screen, etc, is not poor, they just have different priorities. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:02:08 AM EDT
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At the risk of derailing my own thread, here's the problem with what the people on this site want. The idea of, "what's mine is mine" is understandable but will not lead to social stability. Everyone here seems to think they're an action hero and that there would be no consequences to their dreams. They argue against things like social welfare because all they see is it coming out of their own pockets. Which is mostly true, the middle class gets squeezed the most but instead of going after the people with the most wealth to help the poor improve themselves they go after the poor because they don't like them (for a variety of reasons). There are useful idiots on both sides, but people who post on here cling to an identity of a rugged individualist and will not do the self examination necessary to see how badly they're being treated. This is not an accident and it's damn clever. It's an image that has been sold to them. The people here do work hard and they deserve better, but their own basic instincts are being used against them. At the end of the day it boils down to this. The system isn't working for the poor and they demand better. The rich say fuck that and the poor have the votes to get their way so it's the middle class that gets squeezed. Everything that follows is predictable human nature at work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Teens and college students are socialist. Accept that fact and get used to it. The battle is over. It's time we go Tory party and just pick our battleship. We need to take the better parts of the libertarians and just tell the Christian Right that they need to suck it up but we are going to truly be the freedom party. No drug war, no sexual preference war, no war on rich people. Let's go laissez faire all over. Go farther than the democrats and take those sectors away from them. We will cut the youngins in half and truly put the dems on the defensive. I am a hardcore Christian btw. Just can't give a shit about the hypocrisy about drugs and sex in our party. I even had a friend that was a ardent libertarian. Somehow he transformed into an ardent socialist.  Those ideals are on the exact opposite sides of the political spectrum.At the risk of derailing my own thread, here's the problem with what the people on this site want. The idea of, "what's mine is mine" is understandable but will not lead to social stability. Everyone here seems to think they're an action hero and that there would be no consequences to their dreams. They argue against things like social welfare because all they see is it coming out of their own pockets. Which is mostly true, the middle class gets squeezed the most but instead of going after the people with the most wealth to help the poor improve themselves they go after the poor because they don't like them (for a variety of reasons). There are useful idiots on both sides, but people who post on here cling to an identity of a rugged individualist and will not do the self examination necessary to see how badly they're being treated. This is not an accident and it's damn clever. It's an image that has been sold to them. The people here do work hard and they deserve better, but their own basic instincts are being used against them. At the end of the day it boils down to this. The system isn't working for the poor and they demand better. The rich say fuck that and the poor have the votes to get their way so it's the middle class that gets squeezed. Everything that follows is predictable human nature at work. Really? Isn't this part of the lie though? Even in the video they talk about "people living below the poverty line" and such which are all human constructed, artificial levels. For most Americans, the word “poverty” suggests destitution: families lacking food, clothing, shelter. But that's not at all what poverty in the USA is, if that's the definition relatively few people are "impoverished." Of course, this doesn't mean that struggling to make the existence to have food, shelter, clothing, etc. and being in the lowest income brackets can't have an impact on the way of thinking and lead to a cycyle of poor choices that prevents them from moving up. But the poor aren't destitute and struggling for existence the way it is often made out. For instance: read this report In 2005, the typical household defined as poor by the government had a car and air conditioning. For entertainment, the household had two color televisions, cable or satellite TV, a DVD player, and a VCR. If there were children, especially boys, in the home, the family had a game system, such as an Xbox or a PlayStation. In the kitchen, the household had a refrigerator, an oven and stove, and a microwave. Other household conveniences included a clothes washer, clothes dryer, ceiling fans, a cordless phone, and a coffee maker. The home of the typical poor family was not overcrowded and was in good repair. In fact, the typical poor American had more living space than the average European. The typical poor American family was also able to obtain medical care when needed. By its own report, the typical family was not hungry and had sufficient funds during the past year to meet all essential needs. Poor families certainly struggle to make ends meet, but in most cases, they are struggling to pay for air conditioning and the cable TV bill as well as to put food on the table. Their living standards are far different from the images of dire deprivation promoted by activists and the mainstream media. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:03:22 AM EDT
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There isn't a single person in this country that is forced to eat out of a garbage can, unless you are talking about neglected minors. They would be in a similar situation no matter what, due to the shitty parents they were stuck with. If it bothers you so much, make sure that you are donating every surplus dime you make to charity. Don't go spending other people's money for them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it's reasonable to hypothesise that poverty affects people. True poverty, or a lack of adequate resources (food, shelter, security) would raise stress hormones in most normal people. It's been proven that stressors like these can have long-lasting effects on a person's emotional health, as well as other deleterious physiological effects. That's not a huge stretch. Agree entirely. I think it's just a little sad when you have fk'ers with $40 billion+ and then you've got people eating garbage out of trash cans all in the same city. Not sure it has to be that way. But there are many wealthy folks at the top that are trying to fix that for as many that simply ignore it. This one is interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g There isn't a single person in this country that is forced to eat out of a garbage can, unless you are talking about neglected minors. They would be in a similar situation no matter what, due to the shitty parents they were stuck with. If it bothers you so much, make sure that you are donating every surplus dime you make to charity. Don't go spending other people's money for them. +1 The social justice warriors are out in force in this thread. Nutritious food is extremely inexpensive and abundant in the U.S. You can get all your protein requirements from bean/rice, beans/corn, or from chicken or pork. A diet rich in vitamins and minerals is sourced from the same. If you're eating out of a garbage can then it's your or your parent's fault. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:08:35 AM EDT
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"Governments COMMUNISTS around the world are working hard to find solutions ENGINEER POWER GRABS to FROM these MADE UP problems." 
Made some slight adjustments, and I didn't even bother watching the video.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:09:10 AM EDT
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Fucking 13ers, still doin the derp.  Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. It's always the lazy and/or society's abject losers and outliers without any noteable achievements of their own, who always seem to know what's best for everyone else. Because although they have proven unable to provide for themselves in our still very abundant society; they want to lead the way to a better, more prosperous, life for all, by demanding more and more be taken from those people who actually produce in excess of what they consume. It's bullshit. How about "it's better to put down the bong, get off one's own ass, and make something of oneself than to curse their previously poor life choices". |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:10:00 AM EDT
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"Governments around the world are working hard to find solutions to these problems."
That caught my attention too. That window dressing is presented to the public but when one examines the effects of most government policies, it is impoverishment. Government loans that result in taxes to repay them. Government wealth redistribution in which money that may otherwise be used to develop the economy and improve life is instead wasted on welfare projects. Two good examples are Greece and Iceland. Greece has a welfare mindset and is impoverished. Icelanders bear a personal responsibility and take care of themselves. Who is better? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:10:17 AM EDT
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Well now I guess the OP must be one " Abnormally Poor" individual !! Considering all of the topics he posts!
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:11:07 AM EDT
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Fucking 13ers, still doin the derp. Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. In the capitalist system I live in, we use lightbulbs. If socialists/communists like you succeed, we will all be using candles like you. And we'll have a shortage of candles and toilet paper. You people never quit until everyone is poor except for the communist elite at the top. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:11:47 AM EDT
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You clearly don't get out much. The idiot presenter tries to conflate correlation and causation. If he wanted to prove what he said, he would have to make some poor people rich and some rich people poor and see if it changed the brain size of the resultant children. Until he does that, the data actually means NOTHING. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So poor people generally have smaller brains... Children raised by small brained poor people have a hard time and tend to have small brains... How is this news? This could quite possibly be the most idiotic post I have read in a month. You clearly don't get out much. The idiot presenter tries to conflate correlation and causation. If he wanted to prove what he said, he would have to make some poor people rich and some rich people poor and see if it changed the brain size of the resultant children. Until he does that, the data actually means NOTHING. Look at north Koreans and then look at south Koreans many of which are same generation family members and then have a look at their kids. Have a look at the current generation of young chinese against the generation before them. Women actually have tits in china nowadays and it isn't a stretch to say similar shit happens with the brain. Whatever this guys politics is I don't care but you have to be an idiot to want data to prove this aint true 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:15:11 AM EDT
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At the risk of derailing my own thread, here's the problem with what the people on this site want. The idea of, "what's mine is mine" is understandable but will not lead to social stability. Everyone here seems to think they're an action hero and that there would be no consequences to their dreams. They argue against things like social welfare because all they see is it coming out of their own pockets. Which is mostly true, the middle class gets squeezed the most but instead of going after the people with the most wealth to help the poor improve themselves they go after the poor because they don't like them (for a variety of reasons). There are useful idiots on both sides, but people who post on here cling to an identity of a rugged individualist and will not do the self examination necessary to see how badly they're being treated. This is not an accident and it's damn clever. It's an image that has been sold to them. The people here do work hard and they deserve better, but their own basic instincts are being used against them. At the end of the day it boils down to this. The system isn't working for the poor and they demand better. The rich say fuck that and the poor have the votes to get their way so it's the middle class that gets squeezed. Everything that follows is predictable human nature at work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Teens and college students are socialist. Accept that fact and get used to it. The battle is over. It's time we go Tory party and just pick our battleship. We need to take the better parts of the libertarians and just tell the Christian Right that they need to suck it up but we are going to truly be the freedom party. No drug war, no sexual preference war, no war on rich people. Let's go laissez faire all over. Go farther than the democrats and take those sectors away from them. We will cut the youngins in half and truly put the dems on the defensive. I am a hardcore Christian btw. Just can't give a shit about the hypocrisy about drugs and sex in our party. I even had a friend that was a ardent libertarian. Somehow he transformed into an ardent socialist. Those ideals are on the exact opposite sides of the political spectrum.At the risk of derailing my own thread, here's the problem with what the people on this site want. The idea of, "what's mine is mine" is understandable but will not lead to social stability. Everyone here seems to think they're an action hero and that there would be no consequences to their dreams. They argue against things like social welfare because all they see is it coming out of their own pockets. Which is mostly true, the middle class gets squeezed the most but instead of going after the people with the most wealth to help the poor improve themselves they go after the poor because they don't like them (for a variety of reasons). There are useful idiots on both sides, but people who post on here cling to an identity of a rugged individualist and will not do the self examination necessary to see how badly they're being treated. This is not an accident and it's damn clever. It's an image that has been sold to them. The people here do work hard and they deserve better, but their own basic instincts are being used against them. At the end of the day it boils down to this. The system isn't working for the poor and they demand better. The rich say fuck that and the poor have the votes to get their way so it's the middle class that gets squeezed. Everything that follows is predictable human nature at work. At least you're honest and open about being a socialist/communist. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:16:27 AM EDT
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................. It's always the lazy and/or society's abject losers and outliers without any noteable achievements of their own, who always seem to know what's best for everyone else. Because although they have proven unable to provide for themselves in our still very abundant society; they want to lead the way to a better, more prosperous, life for all, by demanding more and more be taken from those people who actually produce in excess of what they consume. It's bullshit. How about "it's better to put down the bong, get off one's own ass, and make something of oneself than to curse their previously poor life choices". Utterly and COMPLETELY end of thread. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:21:56 AM EDT
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I deal with poor people quite a bit, for the most part...yes they are Fucking Stupid. They do stupid things that leads them to being poor. They don't seem to learn from bad decisions, they repeat them, why?? Because they are Fucking Stupid. There is a common theme in this thread. I wish I could put my finger on it.  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:26:12 AM EDT
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+1 The social justice warriors are out in force in this thread. Nutritious food is extremely inexpensive and abundant in the U.S. You can get all your protein requirements from bean/rice, beans/corn, or from chicken or pork. A diet rich in vitamins and minerals is sourced from the same. If you're eating out of a garbage can then it's your or your parent's fault. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it's reasonable to hypothesise that poverty affects people. True poverty, or a lack of adequate resources (food, shelter, security) would raise stress hormones in most normal people. It's been proven that stressors like these can have long-lasting effects on a person's emotional health, as well as other deleterious physiological effects. That's not a huge stretch. Agree entirely. I think it's just a little sad when you have fk'ers with $40 billion+ and then you've got people eating garbage out of trash cans all in the same city. Not sure it has to be that way. But there are many wealthy folks at the top that are trying to fix that for as many that simply ignore it. This one is interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCvf8E7V1g There isn't a single person in this country that is forced to eat out of a garbage can, unless you are talking about neglected minors. They would be in a similar situation no matter what, due to the shitty parents they were stuck with. If it bothers you so much, make sure that you are donating every surplus dime you make to charity. Don't go spending other people's money for them. +1 The social justice warriors are out in force in this thread. Nutritious food is extremely inexpensive and abundant in the U.S. You can get all your protein requirements from bean/rice, beans/corn, or from chicken or pork. A diet rich in vitamins and minerals is sourced from the same. If you're eating out of a garbage can then it's your or your parent's fault. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Or they are hipster college kids who eat out of the garbage behind grocery stores, and I had one explain the benefits to me while in college.
More importantly, vegetables, and most fruits are cheep. Bananas, green beans, carrots, peppers, etc are things I don't love but always end up on our shopping list every week, not a cart full of prepared food
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:31:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look at north Koreans and then look at south Koreans many of which are same generation family members and then have a look at their kids. Have a look at the current generation of young chinese against the generation before them. Women actually have tits in china nowadays and it isn't a stretch to say similar shit happens with the brain. Whatever this guys politics is I don't care but you have to be an idiot to want data to prove this aint true First off this video is not about malnutrition. Second I would like to know about your Study on North Korean Brains. Malnutrition is not a problem in the US unless caused by Child Abuse. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:39:18 AM EDT
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Take you're time now. I'm going to try and sleep again. If my brain decides to torture me again for a while I'll reply in an hour or so when I've decided I've had enough. If I can rest for a bit, I've subscribed to the thread and I'll answer when I wake up. Have a good night  Sorry man, but that material can be picked apart at its face. If it can be dismantled casually, it does not merit a deeper study. In fact, I am going to create my own equally ridiculous hypothesis for future study: resentful people utilize and therefore develops less non-resentful-thinking brain matter than other less-resentful people, and then those resentful and less intelligent people do a poor job parenting. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 9:46:45 AM EDT
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It's always the lazy and/or society's abject losers and outliers without any noteable achievements of their own, who always seem to know what's best for everyone else. Because although they have proven unable to provide for themselves in our still very abundant society; they want to lead the way to a better, more prosperous, life for all, by demanding more and more be taken from those people who actually produce in excess of what they consume. It's bullshit. How about "it's better to put down the bong, get off one's own ass, and make something of oneself than to curse their previously poor life choices". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fucking 13ers, still doin the derp. Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. It's always the lazy and/or society's abject losers and outliers without any noteable achievements of their own, who always seem to know what's best for everyone else. Because although they have proven unable to provide for themselves in our still very abundant society; they want to lead the way to a better, more prosperous, life for all, by demanding more and more be taken from those people who actually produce in excess of what they consume. It's bullshit. How about "it's better to put down the bong, get off one's own ass, and make something of oneself than to curse their previously poor life choices". I like your outlook on life. Do you have a newsletter? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:24:33 AM EDT
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First off this video is not about malnutrition. Second I would like to know about your Study on North Korean Brains. Malnutrition is not a problem in the US unless caused by Child Abuse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look at north Koreans and then look at south Koreans many of which are same generation family members and then have a look at their kids. Have a look at the current generation of young chinese against the generation before them. Women actually have tits in china nowadays and it isn't a stretch to say similar shit happens with the brain. Whatever this guys politics is I don't care but you have to be an idiot to want data to prove this aint true
First off this video is not about malnutrition. Second I would like to know about your Study on North Korean Brains. Malnutrition is not a problem in the US unless caused by Child Abuse. I would also like to see his sources on the increased size of women's tits in China. I have researched this topic for many years, and I think he may be fooled by the Level III booby armor worn by Chinese women. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:28:02 AM EDT
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Hasn't the OP bitched about being poor before?
Didn't he also bitch about turning off the heat and shit but he kept the internet running so that he would not lose his girlfriend? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:34:06 AM EDT
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Hasn't the OP bitched about being poor before? Last I remember he had to have hisvutilities shut off to save money, and yet he has Internet service, 24 bucks for an optional website membership, plenty of free time to spend on the internet fighting for social justice and advancing the cause of freeing the weed, and quite possibly; even money to spend on getting stoned himself. All while constantly crying over the "unfair distribution of wealth" in this country. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:38:29 AM EDT
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I'm not entirely sure if the replies in this thread are a better example of willful ignorance or gross misunderstanding of the topic being discussed. 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:38:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fucking 13ers, still doin the derp. Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. arguing jello works as well as wax because the powder form is flammable even though you have never actually built a candle just used ones made by others |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:43:37 AM EDT
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How does poverty effect your penis?
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:44:20 AM EDT
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Continued... I pay my employees a wage ABOVE fair market because I want GOOD PEOPLE I can trust and rely upon and I want them to STAY WITH ME. If they feel they can get a better deal somewhere else they are more than welcome to go and get it. With that said, I started this business to take care of my clients and to make money from it (more so than working for someone else doing a worse job of it). If you remove one – half of that equation (making money that makes it worth it) then I will not find the risk worth the reward and my clients will suffer. Is this acceptable to you and if so why? 2 of 2 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long should that initial investment pay off? In perpetuity? I pay my employees a wage ABOVE fair market because I want GOOD PEOPLE I can trust and rely upon and I want them to STAY WITH ME. If they feel they can get a better deal somewhere else they are more than welcome to go and get it. With that said, I started this business to take care of my clients and to make money from it (more so than working for someone else doing a worse job of it). If you remove one – half of that equation (making money that makes it worth it) then I will not find the risk worth the reward and my clients will suffer. Is this acceptable to you and if so why? 2 of 2 It's acceptable to me because if there is a need for your service someone else will step in and provide it if you choose not to. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:46:39 AM EDT
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This is America, you can get many grants and financial aid that you do not have to pay back at all to go to a tech school and get a trade skill.
The reason people are poor are all reasons that can be changed but they do not want to put the work in to change them. They will continue to be poor and have children and teach them that it's ok to wallow in poverty and barely getting along as long as you bitch about it and the government gives you money. There is a guy in my welding class that works 10 hours a day then comes to class from 5:00 to 9:00, that man is busting his has to improve his life while most people sit around and do nothing but bitch about their circumstances. The reason why they are allowed to do that is because they are not truly poor, the still have food, water, and all the necessities of life. Because of that they can bitch about how poor they are and it's all the fault of someone else or the mental make up of their brain. Poor people grasp at excuses for their poverty so they can blame anyone and anything but themselves for their fuck ups and bad choices. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:46:41 AM EDT
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You know how poverty changed my brain? It made me work harder, finish college with good grades, and earn money to get out of poverty. (Constant hunger also motivated me  )
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:48:41 AM EDT
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You know how poverty changed my brain? It made me work harder, finish college with good grades, and earn money to get out of poverty. (Constant hunger also motivated me )
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:07:13 AM EDT
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I'm not entirely sure if the replies in this thread are a better example of willful ignorance or gross misunderstanding of the topic being discussed. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=70014 It always takes an abject failure who has accomplished nothing in life to provide the necessary guidance to the rest of us regarding the achievement of success, and those who managed to overcome their own obstacles and difficulties and put in the work required in order to become successful, apparently need the most guidance. From the abject failures and self introspective street philosophers who always know it all and want "their fair share" at the expense of others. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:25:44 AM EDT
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what a load of shit. FPNI "...spends the surplus funds on education...." I'm not sure that is the case here. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:54:47 AM EDT
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what a load of shit. Based on? based on fact. Poverty is not a cause of a problem, its a result. I live in poor hood. the rent is cheap and I have a big yard which I like. the people around here make poor choices. they bang the wrong people, they spend what money they earn on junk if they earn any money at all. frequently they are substance abusers, tobacco, booze, and illegal drugs. the fact is stupid people make bad choices. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:09:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not entirely sure if the replies in this thread are a better example of willful ignorance or gross misunderstanding of the topic being discussed. cases, poverty leads to low cognitive ability and in other cases, the reverse is true. There are many studies showing that above a certain US income level, overall happiness doesn't increase significantly. Around the year 2000, that number was ~$57,000. Today, it is roughly $75,000. Below those numbers, stress increases dramatically as you decline in earning. Yes, I realize $75,000 in Manhattan NY isn't the same as in Frontenac KS. We are talking averages. Generally. Also, the "poverty" discussed in the video is extreme poverty. Under $2.00 a day poverty in some examples. That kind of poverty will almost certainly lead to a low protein diet and insufficient nutrition. That environment will certainly have physiological impacts, especially when experienced during early childhood. Virtually no one in the US should ever have to come anywhere close to poverty this extreme and with the social programs in most states, should usually have enough to eat at a level far above the truly poor found in many developing countries. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:14:22 PM EDT
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Apparently those "brain changes" cause poor people to waste a ton of money getting shitty tattoos and wrecking sportbikes
Because poor financial decisions are a result of being poor, not the prime mover. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:34:57 PM EDT
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I feel like clarifying that it's not the poor I have something against. I work very hard for what I have but I have no problem with charity and contribute in various ways frequently. There was a time I was not doing so well and I know it can be difficult and frustrating.
The difference is voluntary versus compulsory. Charity is great. Confiscatory tax rates and redistribution schemes are not. You think having the wealthiest poor in history is not going to offer stability? Wait until you see how stable stealing more and more from people who work hard is. The problem is the people who think they know better and swoop in with their vision of fairness (how is taking from someone who earned something and giving it to someone who didn't "fair"?). What I have earned is not yours and I don't trust you to manage it. If you want to manage some resources and be charitable, and do all the great things you envision, earn it yourself.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:29:53 PM EDT
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It's acceptable to me because if there is a need for your service someone else will step in and provide it if you choose not to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How long should that initial investment pay off? In perpetuity? I pay my employees a wage ABOVE fair market because I want GOOD PEOPLE I can trust and rely upon and I want them to STAY WITH ME. If they feel they can get a better deal somewhere else they are more than welcome to go and get it. With that said, I started this business to take care of my clients and to make money from it (more so than working for someone else doing a worse job of it). If you remove one – half of that equation (making money that makes it worth it) then I will not find the risk worth the reward and my clients will suffer. Is this acceptable to you and if so why? 2 of 2 It's acceptable to me because if there is a need for your service someone else will step in and provide it if you choose not to. Why will they do so if there is no reward to make the risk of operating the business worthwhile? I don't think you have any understanding of the financial risk inherent in starting and operating a business. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:31:24 PM EDT
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Why will they do so if there is no reward to make the risk of operating the business worthwhile? I don't think you have any understanding of the financial risk inherent in starting and operating a business. I do appreciate the risk they take. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:33:35 PM EDT
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Why will they do so if there is no reward to make the risk of operating the business worthwhile? I don't think you have any understanding of the financial risk inherent in starting and operating a business. I do appreciate the risk they take. But you don't feel that risk should be allowed to be rewarded? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:35:54 PM EDT
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But you don't feel that risk should be allowed to be rewarded? Not at all, but I do feel that after a point of roi that money should be shifted more towards the workers. What that point is would be a discussion the public should be having. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not at all, but I do feel that after a point of roi that money should be shifted more towards the workers. What that point is would be a discussion the public should be having. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But you don't feel that risk should be allowed to be rewarded? Not at all, but I do feel that after a point of roi that money should be shifted more towards the workers. What that point is would be a discussion the public should be having. How about when there is a loss, should the workers pay the employers back from their pay? Do you consider yourself a socialist? |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:40:32 PM EDT
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How about when there is a loss, should the workers pay the employers back from their pay? Do you consider yourself a socialist? The failures are dealt with through the social services offered by the public. If his business fails he would be supported the same as everyone else. Also, yes I consider myself a socialist. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:40:52 PM EDT
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Not at all, but I do feel that after a point of roi that money should be shifted more towards the workers. What that point is would be a discussion the public should be having. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But you don't feel that risk should be allowed to be rewarded? Not at all, but I do feel that after a point of roi that money should be shifted more towards the workers. What that point is would be a discussion the public should be having.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:43:17 PM EDT
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I'm a college student, Im broke, by choice to put money into things that are more important like getting to class reliably, school materials. etc. gas, food. I don't need government. I just need to do well. This site is not populated by a majority of college students with zero real-world experience, so don't be surprised if there is an overwhelmingly negative response to your post. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Clearly according to the video the government has to do something. Load of bullshit proven. Only in your own mind. You'll have plenty of supports here though, so take comfort in that fact. I'm a college student, Im broke, by choice to put money into things that are more important like getting to class reliably, school materials. etc. gas, food. I don't need government. I just need to do well. This site is not populated by a majority of college students with zero real-world experience, so don't be surprised if there is an overwhelmingly negative response to your post. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:49:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The failures are dealt with through the social services offered by the public. If his business fails he would be supported the same as everyone else. Also, yes I consider myself a socialist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How about when there is a loss, should the workers pay the employers back from their pay? Do you consider yourself a socialist? The failures are dealt with through the social services offered by the public. If his business fails he would be supported the same as everyone else. Also, yes I consider myself a socialist. That question went over your head I see. You are missing the fact that the .GOV Social Services are part of the problem and should not exist at all. Thanks for being honest, now move you ass out of this Country. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:51:07 PM EDT
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The failures are dealt with through the social services offered by the public. If his business fails he would be supported the same as everyone else. Also, yes I consider myself a socialist. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How about when there is a loss, should the workers pay the employers back from their pay? Do you consider yourself a socialist? The failures are dealt with through the social services offered by the public. If his business fails he would be supported the same as everyone else. Also, yes I consider myself a socialist. I will pay for a plane ticket and give you a 100 bucks for you to fly your ass to Venezuela, you can then live and experience the socialist life. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:51:13 PM EDT
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That question went over your head I see. You are missing the fact that the .GOV Social Services are part of the problem and should not exist at all. Thanks for being honest, now move you ass out of this Country. It didn't, if the wages weren't sustainable his business would fail and I covered that. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:53:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It didn't, if the wages weren't sustainable his business would fail and I covered that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That question went over your head I see. You are missing the fact that the .GOV Social Services are part of the problem and should not exist at all. Thanks for being honest, now move you ass out of this Country. It didn't, if the wages weren't sustainable his business would fail and I covered that. Yes it did go right over your head and shows that you do not have a clue how business operates. Move the fuck out of this country, like the post above says, you should try out Venezuela. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:54:59 PM EDT
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Yes it did go right over your head and shows that you do not have a clue how business operates. Move the fuck out of this country, like the post above says, you should try out Venezuela. No thank you, I'll continue to stay here and vote 
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:55:55 PM EDT
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FPNI What about the effects of a weak brain on earning ability? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what a load of shit. FPNI What about the effects of a weak brain on earning ability? Genetics how do they work? Dumb people breed dumb kids. Dumb people don't make as much money as smart people. Fucking ground breaking discoveries in that video
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:56:52 PM EDT
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Yes it did go right over your head and shows that you do not have a clue how business operates. Move the fuck out of this country, like the post above says, you should try out Venezuela. No thank you, I'll continue to stay here and vote why not ? its what you want |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No thank you, I'll continue to stay here and vote Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes it did go right over your head and shows that you do not have a clue how business operates. Move the fuck out of this country, like the post above says, you should try out Venezuela. No thank you, I'll continue to stay here and vote Yep, see how that worked out for your State. Socialists like you ran it right into the ground. It amazing how ignorant you are. The examples of failure are all around you and all around the world, but somehow you think it will work. |
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