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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:16:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:20:14 PM EDT
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 You know, this website DOES have COC concerning the posting of pron.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:20:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, this website DOES have COC concerning the posting of pron. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:23:16 PM EDT
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Damn, I thought it was going to be the complete system in all its glorious configurations.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:24:58 PM EDT
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I would fuck that gun.
I don't know how...and I'm sure it would leave scars...but I'd fuck it. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:25:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would fuck that gun. I don't know how...and I'm sure it would leave scars...but I'd fuck it. Right in the butt...stock. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:26:31 PM EDT
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I would fuck that gun. I don't know how...and I'm sure it would leave scars...but I'd fuck it. By the looks of your avatar, you did.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:27:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By the looks of your avatar, you did. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I would fuck that gun. I don't know how...and I'm sure it would leave scars...but I'd fuck it. By the looks of your avatar, you did. Roflmao |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:29:42 PM EDT
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Why was this gun not selected as our main rifle for troops?
Clearly ahead of its time...modular...adaptable...reliable...was it just not even in the running? I believe those can run on mags or belts right? |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:30:30 PM EDT
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20 feet from one
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:31:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why was this gun not selected as our main rifle for troops? Clearly ahead of its time...modular...adaptable...reliable...was it just not even in the running? I believe those can run on mags or belts right? The complete system can do everything. It can even be set up for anti-air. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 5:38:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2015 6:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You know, this website DOES have COC concerning the posting of pron.Yeah!!! Damn freak!!! How does this bastard know what trips our triggers?  |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 6:22:31 PM EDT
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I had a guy walk into our store wanting to sell one for his grandmother. He said his grandfather was involved in the making this gun and she has one in full auto. I told him we don't have the licencing to sell something like that but I would pay to see it.
I will have to get more info from him he was saying they fetch up to 100,000 ? |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 6:30:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why was this gun not selected as our main rifle for troops? Clearly ahead of its time...modular...adaptable...reliable...was it just not even in the running? I believe those can run on mags or belts right? I agree with you. . seems like it would have been a perfect system for it's time. . . |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 6:33:45 PM EDT
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I sorta look at it this way:
The AR7 was Eugene Stoner's "Moonlight Sonata". The AR-10 was "Fur Elise" The AR-15 was "Symphony 9" the Stoner 63 was fucking "O' Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi" at 133 dB. |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 6:35:07 PM EDT
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Why was this gun not selected as our main rifle for troops? Clearly ahead of its time...modular...adaptable...reliable...was it just not even in the running? They were just getting the M16 bugs worked out at the time, and it didnt really have a spot to fill. The military didnt have a "SAW" yet. Also, IIRC they had a lot of small parts that were easily lost if cleaned in the field, and the design wasnt really considered "soldier proof" |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 6:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I sorta look at it this way: The AR7 was Eugene Stoner's "Moonlight Sonata". The AR-10 was "Fur Elise" The AR-15 was "Symphony 9" the Stoner 63 was fucking "O' Fortuna, Imperatrix Mundi" at 133 dB.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdUgKwOPg00Oh God...then what is Krzysztof Penderecki - Magnificat - III. Passacaglia? A 50 BMG sniper rifle? A Steyr AMR? Something horrific I imagine... |
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Posted: 4/25/2015 6:50:44 PM EDT
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Good video about it.
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Posted: 4/25/2015 6:59:55 PM EDT
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A weapon that can be reconfigured by the user?
Aw hell no, they want uniformity. "Make sure all your pouches are in the right place soldier." |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:53:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A weapon that can be reconfigured by the user? Aw hell no, they want uniformity. "Make sure all your pouches are in the right place soldier." Could you imagine what the big would be like today with the 50 years of development that have gone into the M16/M4 platform? I'm sure the small parts issue could be remedied. The 63 set up as an LMG with an ACOG would be some bad juju. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:05:46 AM EDT
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If it is such a great system, why hasn't someone copied it?
Looks like someone would have modernized it and had it on the market by now unless it is still under patent protection. I doubt even that would have stopped certain players. Edit:damn tablet typing. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:10:07 AM EDT
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A weapon that can be reconfigured by the user? Aw hell no, they want uniformity. "Make sure all your pouches are in the right place soldier." Yep. Who cares about combat. A parade could break out at any time. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:22:35 AM EDT
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I could've sworn Larry Vickers did a great video describing the 63 in detail and having it set up in all it's various iterations, but hell if I can find it now.
No matter what, it's a sweet fucking weapon "system." |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:31:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If it is such a great system, why hasn't someone copied it? Looks like someone would have modernized it and had it on the market by now unless it is still under patent protection. I doubt even that would have stopped certain players. Edit:damn tablet typing. It's under patent protection by Knight's Armament. I believe they're still developing it in the LMG configuration. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:56:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If it is such a great system, why hasn't someone copied it? Looks like someone would have modernized it and had it on the market by now unless it is still under patent protection. I doubt even that would have stopped certain players. Edit:damn tablet typing. It was and I almost bought one in 2002...... 
Sadly I don't think they are in production anymore. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:15:28 PM EDT
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I had a guy walk into our store wanting to sell one for his grandmother. He said his grandfather was involved in the making this gun and she has one in full auto. I told him we don't have the licencing to sell something like that but I would pay to see it.
I will have to get more info from him he was saying they fetch up to 100,000 ? If you have an FFL (which it appears you do), then paying the SOT would be well worth it for a deal like this. Depending on how much he's asking, you stand to make big bucks. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:25:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was and I almost bought one in 2002...... http://www.fototime.com/124C6554D1EB934/orig.jpg http://stormwerkz.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SA-M96-01B.jpg http://cdn.armslist.com/images/posts/634515223916575474t5cil2er.jpg http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as77/robarm_m96-3.jpg Sadly I don't think they are in production anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If it is such a great system, why hasn't someone copied it? Looks like someone would have modernized it and had it on the market by now unless it is still under patent protection. I doubt even that would have stopped certain players. Edit:damn tablet typing. It was and I almost bought one in 2002...... http://www.fototime.com/124C6554D1EB934/orig.jpg http://stormwerkz.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SA-M96-01B.jpg http://cdn.armslist.com/images/posts/634515223916575474t5cil2er.jpg http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as77/robarm_m96-3.jpg Sadly I don't think they are in production anymore. I owned one for several years. Trust me, you would have wasted your money. They WERE good weapons by and large....but it was the material science NOT the weapon engineering that made them great. They had about as much in common with a Stoner 63 as I do with Barrack Hoosein Obammy. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:27:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you have an FFL (which it appears you do), then paying the SOT would be well worth it for a deal like this. Depending on how much he's asking, you stand to make big bucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a guy walk into our store wanting to sell one for his grandmother. He said his grandfather was involved in the making this gun and she has one in full auto. I told him we don't have the licencing to sell something like that but I would pay to see it. I will have to get more info from him he was saying they fetch up to 100,000 ? If you have an FFL (which it appears you do), then paying the SOT would be well worth it for a deal like this. Depending on how much he's asking, you stand to make big bucks. If it's JUST a rifle....( LOL..."just"....pfft ) it won't fetch 100 grand....BUT.....it will sell for a lot more than peanuts. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:30:31 PM EDT
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The Stoner 63 is the Miley Cyrus of guns. Questionable utility, history, and aesthetics... but you bet your ass I'd take it home and then tell my friends all about it.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:35:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Stoner 63 is the Miley Cyrus of guns. Questionable utility, history, and aesthetics... but you bet your ass I'd take it home and then tell my friends all about it. AND I'D BE JEALOUS, TOO!!!! |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:39:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL....you bet you would!!! AND I'D BE JEALOUS, TOO!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Stoner 63 is the Miley Cyrus of guns. Questionable utility, history, and aesthetics... but you bet your ass I'd take it home and then tell my friends all about it. AND I'D BE JEALOUS, TOO!!!! About the gun, the skank, or both? I bet she'd lick the gun. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:45:34 PM EDT
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One sexy beast. The Holy Grail of firearms in my book. Has anyone seen the chopped shorty version that thing? It is cool as hell too. I will try to find picture.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 12:58:22 PM EDT
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Supposedly, Navy SEALs loved them in Vietnam.
Everyone else didn't get the chance to use them.  |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:03:54 PM EDT
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Supposedly, Navy SEALs loved them in Vietnam. Everyone else didn't get the chance to use them.
The Navy Seals museum in Vero Beach has a very nice collection on hand. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 1:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Navy Seals museum in Vero Beach has a very nice collection on hand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Supposedly, Navy SEALs loved them in Vietnam. Everyone else didn't get the chance to use them.
The Navy Seals museum in Vero Beach has a very nice collection on hand. So does the SEAL/UDT museum in Ft Pierce Fl Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 2:28:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One sexy beast. The Holy Grail of firearms in my book. Has anyone seen the chopped shorty version that thing? It is cool as hell too. I will try to find picture. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/DT120_photos/stoncar1_zps8ws9h7lm.jpg http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/DT120_photos/stoncar2_zpskm9fvbgm.jpg http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/DT120_photos/broken_zpspwuszvu8.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmlGg06OO0EI HAVE personally seen the ONLY surviving example. In fact, I do believe it was actually restored from the demil condition, IIRC. It is SMALL. BTW: Jerry Tarble is one of the nicest and most knowledgeable men you will EVER meet on the subject. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 2:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI didn't know that it had a switch on the bolt carrier for open bolt firing. Makes sense just never thought much about it. That thing is the be all end all of modularity. I would LOVE to see this thing re released. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 2:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposedly, Navy SEALs loved them in Vietnam. Everyone else didn't get the chance to use them. It was NOT a bad decision BUT.....the Stoner development should have continued in my opinion. A decade of testing, input and development could have created an outstanding military wide small arms system of great flexibility. The WORST part about the 63 LMG, in my opinion was that in the LMG mode, the gun ejected to the left....this caused a lot of issues that had to be remedied and I don't know exactly how successful that was. Could AUG like, switchable ejection been incorporated? Maybe at the Arms Room level? I don't know. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:04:43 PM EDT
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Nice video with Jerry.
I had the Pleasure (it was  ) of shooting an Ultimax 100 several times.
ROF was about 550 RPM, NO recoil or muzzle climb, stayed on target so nice. I hated having to give it back. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:06:03 PM EDT
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Number one on my Grail list. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:10:05 PM EDT
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OOPS. Forgot to ask this.
Was figuring the Stoner would have similar characteristics to the Ultimax. Has anyone shot both of them? I have never fired the Stoner platform. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:12:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGreat pic O-21 That is the only one I have ever seen in person. Botter shoot! |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:14:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
So does the SEAL/UDT museum in Ft Pierce Fl Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Supposedly, Navy SEALs loved them in Vietnam. Everyone else didn't get the chance to use them.
The Navy Seals museum in Vero Beach has a very nice collection on hand. So does the SEAL/UDT museum in Ft Pierce Fl Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I meant Ft. Pierce. I had the old KAC location in my head. Speaking of KAC he has a nice Stoner collection. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:14:30 PM EDT
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That was a very, very sad story OP!
Now post something that is happy & uplifting. |
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Posted: 4/26/2015 4:35:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you have an FFL (which it appears you do), then paying the SOT would be well worth it for a deal like this. Depending on how much he's asking, you stand to make big bucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I had a guy walk into our store wanting to sell one for his grandmother. He said his grandfather was involved in the making this gun and she has one in full auto. I told him we don't have the licencing to sell something like that but I would pay to see it.
I will have to get more info from him he was saying they fetch up to 100,000 ? If you have an FFL (which it appears you do), then paying the SOT would be well worth it for a deal like this. Depending on how much he's asking, you stand to make big bucks. We do and we are working on the SOT part . I really wanted this for myself but its not in the cards right now. I need to find out who the grand father was I guess his widow has a large collection . I will see him again I will get some more info and pictures . |
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