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Quoted: LOL No problem man. Probably not for 2 weeks or so, I can't dump all my vids out at once because I can only make it to the range 2-3 times a month and I probably won't drop two armor videos in a row. I used the 35 gr superformance round that's listed at 4450 fps against the Level IV plate that AR500 sent me. I'll spare you guys the safe thread until I get ready to post the video. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Well I'll be dipped in shit. Thanks 10mm. You have delivered. When will we see the ceramic vid? No problem man. Probably not for 2 weeks or so, I can't dump all my vids out at once because I can only make it to the range 2-3 times a month and I probably won't drop two armor videos in a row. I used the 35 gr superformance round that's listed at 4450 fps against the Level IV plate that AR500 sent me. I'll spare you guys the safe thread until I get ready to post the video. 4450fps plastic tip vs lvl 4 ceramic plate. That's going to be hot. Real hot. It one of the things the general public do not have information on. Looking forward to seeing the video. |
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I did not see this until after the video was posted but was almost certain it would penetrate when I read the OP. High velocity is strong vs. hardened steel. Google "adiabatic shear" with other keywords for more info. Also I saw the cylinder posted above. The steel for the cylinder is probably not as hard as the armor plate and is almost certainly tougher. Toughness is a specific metallurgical property.
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good video. I was wrong. I figured the varmit tip would be what kept the 22-250 from penetrating.
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Quoted: Do you know the velocity @100 yards? I'll bet it will have no problem penetrating the armor @100 yards. If you got time and space do it @100 yards. If it penetrate try it again @200 yards and so on. Make sure you force Arfcom to wait. Torture them! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: http://youtu.be/QifXqu0qDiI Since you guys apparently can't wait until Friday LOL http://youtu.be/QifXqu0qDiI Do you know the velocity @100 yards? I'll bet it will have no problem penetrating the armor @100 yards. If you got time and space do it @100 yards. If it penetrate try it again @200 yards and so on. Make sure you force Arfcom to wait. Torture them! |
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Quoted: I greatly appreciate the reasonable lengths of your videos. Seriously. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Awesome video, Op. I greatly appreciate the reasonable lengths of your videos. Seriously. |
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Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction.
Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. |
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Quoted: I did not see this until after the video was posted but was almost certain it would penetrate when I read the OP. High velocity is strong vs. hardened steel. Google "adiabatic shear" with other keywords for more info. Also I saw the cylinder posted above. The steel for the cylinder is probably not as hard as the armor plate and is almost certainly tougher. Toughness is a specific metallurgical property. View Quote I think AR500 would still be tougher than 4140 because the yield is way higher (actually close to triple). Unless that cylinder was quenched and tempered, which I doubt it is for a shape like that. Elongation on the 4140 isn't enough of a difference (about 10% more) to make the area under the curve bigger. I need a maraging steel plate. |
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Quoted: Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction. Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. View Quote |
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Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction. Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. View Quote I'd like to see how Black Hills Barnes TSX 50 gr. 5.56 do against level III and level IV armor. If I recall correctly, the 50 gr. has a muzzle velocity of over 3100 fps from a 14.5" barrel. |
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Area under the stress/strain curve. I think AR500 would still be tougher than 4140 because the yield is way higher (actually close to triple). Unless that cylinder was quenched and tempered, which I doubt it is for a shape like that. Elongation on the 4140 isn't enough of a difference (about 10% more) to make the area under the curve bigger. I need a maraging steel plate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I did not see this until after the video was posted but was almost certain it would penetrate when I read the OP. High velocity is strong vs. hardened steel. Google "adiabatic shear" with other keywords for more info. Also I saw the cylinder posted above. The steel for the cylinder is probably not as hard as the armor plate and is almost certainly tougher. Toughness is a specific metallurgical property. I think AR500 would still be tougher than 4140 because the yield is way higher (actually close to triple). Unless that cylinder was quenched and tempered, which I doubt it is for a shape like that. Elongation on the 4140 isn't enough of a difference (about 10% more) to make the area under the curve bigger. I need a maraging steel plate. I agree, the 4140 is much tougher then mild steel but the 500 is tempered much harder, the idea on the cylinders is they cannot rupture they must vent in a forced failure..meaning a"softer" metal then the "hard " ar-500...., but with that said, those other marks are from 55 gr 223 and they barely pock marked the cylinder.., buddy has an almost unlimited supply of garbage cylinders so will have to play some...If you find some one close by with a 300 RUM, let me know and I will send you a couple of the 125 gr. solids I have and you can try them... |
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Good point, I think a 40gr vmax from a .223 would have a chance out of my 22" barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'd like to see how Black Hills Barnes TSX 50 gr. 5.56 do against level III and level IV armor. If I recall correctly, the 50 gr. has a muzzle velocity of over 3100 fps from a 14.5" barrel. Yep. I'd think it would be pretty unusual to encounter a 22-250 in a home invasion or some SHTF circumstance where you might have a chance to put on armor, but an AR with some scrounged/stolen varmint ammo might be a possibility. Also, I'd like to request that, before you run out of real estate on that plate, please put 3-5 more rounds of M193 into it at close range from your 22" bolt gun. I know it stopped one round already, but since these plates are specifically marketed for stopping M193, it would be good to prove that stopping that one round wasn't somehow a fluke. |
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Quoted: Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction. Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. View Quote M193 is pretty much at it limit for 55gr 22. 40gr 223 will no doubt penetrate level 3+ armor at close range. It around 3800 fps depending powder use. Future video? |
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M193 is pretty much at it limit for 55gr 22. 40gr 223 will no doubt penetrate level 3+ armor at close range. It around 3800 fps depending powder use. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction. Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. M193 is pretty much at it limit for 55gr 22. 40gr 223 will no doubt penetrate level 3+ armor at close range. It around 3800 fps depending powder use. That's why I think it would be good to test it. |
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Quoted: That's why I think it would be good to test it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction. Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. M193 is pretty much at it limit for 55gr 22. 40gr 223 will no doubt penetrate level 3+ armor at close range. It around 3800 fps depending powder use. That's why I think it would be good to test it. Did AR500.com post information at what velocity their Lvl 3+ armor fail? If not someone should ask them. I'm sure they have the data. |
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Quoted: I'd like to see how Black Hills Barnes TSX 50 gr. 5.56 do against level III and level IV armor. If I recall correctly, the 50 gr. has a muzzle velocity of over 3100 fps from a 14.5" barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction. Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. I'd like to see how Black Hills Barnes TSX 50 gr. 5.56 do against level III and level IV armor. If I recall correctly, the 50 gr. has a muzzle velocity of over 3100 fps from a 14.5" barrel. |
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Quoted: Did AR500.com post information at what velocity their Lvl 3+ armor fail? If not someone should ask them. I'm sure they have the data. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction. Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. M193 is pretty much at it limit for 55gr 22. 40gr 223 will no doubt penetrate level 3+ armor at close range. It around 3800 fps depending powder use. That's why I think it would be good to test it. Did AR500.com post information at what velocity their Lvl 3+ armor fail? If not someone should ask them. I'm sure they have the data. This plate is rated for m193 @ 3100 fps I believe. |
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Quoted: Do you have a 308 and really thick piece of steel? If so I can send you a few of these to test- http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/4C841E6F-FBDA-4264-9550-CA7EA7CC5EA5.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: M193 is pretty much at it limit for 55gr 22. 40gr 223 will no doubt penetrate level 3+ armor at close range. It around 3800 fps depending powder use. Future video? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction. Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. M193 is pretty much at it limit for 55gr 22. 40gr 223 will no doubt penetrate level 3+ armor at close range. It around 3800 fps depending powder use. Future video? |
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Do you have a 308 and really thick piece of steel? If so I can send you a few of these to test- http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/4C841E6F-FBDA-4264-9550-CA7EA7CC5EA5.jpg Want to do an AP video? I took one apart, and while I'm not sure what the penetrator is made of it's pretty cool nonetheless. |
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Do you have a 308 and really thick piece of steel? If so I can send you a few of these to test- http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/4C841E6F-FBDA-4264-9550-CA7EA7CC5EA5.jpg Want to do an AP video? I took one apart, and while I'm not sure what the penetrator is made of it's pretty cool nonetheless. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/4C111312-5D26-4171-A27A-98ABB9B42876.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/AD093E74-763D-486D-90C5-7394EDD9A214.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/AD093E74-763D-486D-90C5-7394EDD9A214.jpg I'm me your address. |
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Nice test.
I thought the bullet composition would make a difference. Thanks for showing that. |
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I'd like to see how Black Hills Barnes TSX 50 gr. 5.56 do against level III and level IV armor. If I recall correctly, the 50 gr. has a muzzle velocity of over 3100 fps from a 14.5" barrel. Gotta buy in bulk for ultimate savings. I think a case of 500 is under $700 before shipping! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you have a 308 and really thick piece of steel? If so I can send you a few of these to test- http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/4C841E6F-FBDA-4264-9550-CA7EA7CC5EA5.jpg Want to do an AP video? I took one apart, and while I'm not sure what the penetrator is made of it's pretty cool nonetheless. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/4C111312-5D26-4171-A27A-98ABB9B42876.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/AD093E74-763D-486D-90C5-7394EDD9A214.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/AD093E74-763D-486D-90C5-7394EDD9A214.jpg I'm me your address. |
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Quoted: Gotta buy in bulk for ultimate savings. I think a case of 500 is under $700 before shipping! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd like to see how Black Hills Barnes TSX 50 gr. 5.56 do against level III and level IV armor. If I recall correctly, the 50 gr. has a muzzle velocity of over 3100 fps from a 14.5" barrel. Gotta buy in bulk for ultimate savings. I think a case of 500 is under $700 before shipping! |
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Quoted: debateable. At some point "enough velocity" results in enough friction to vaporize the raisin as it travels through the air. That said, if it was in a vacuum and you had 50,000 fps, I'm sure it could. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Given enough velocity, you could push a raisin through AR500 debateable. At some point "enough velocity" results in enough friction to vaporize the raisin as it travels through the air. That said, if it was in a vacuum and you had 50,000 fps, I'm sure it could. |
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Given enough velocity, you could push a raisin through AR500 debateable. At some point "enough velocity" results in enough friction to vaporize the raisin as it travels through the air. That said, if it was in a vacuum and you had 50,000 fps, I'm sure it could. Easy. Just evaluate the optimum velocity for a raisin, while maintaining physical characteristics such as density. Then attach the level III plate to an SR-71 Blackbird. Have the SR-71 with the pre-positioned level III plate fly at top speed (roughly 185,000 fps) directly toward your optimized raisin shooter. The high velocity raisin collides with the plate, both traveling at max velocity! BAM SCIENCE! (cyrogenically frozen raisins) |
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that might be pushing the limits of the original language of "push a raisin through" the plate...but it would certainly work (unless you're the guy in the 71, it might get blown up in the process!).
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Quoted: debateable. At some point "enough velocity" results in enough friction to vaporize the raisin as it travels through the air. That said, if it was in a vacuum and you had 50,000 fps, I'm sure it could. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Given enough velocity, you could push a raisin through AR500 debateable. At some point "enough velocity" results in enough friction to vaporize the raisin as it travels through the air. That said, if it was in a vacuum and you had 50,000 fps, I'm sure it could. |
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love the video, thanks 10mm. As a huge 22-250 fan, I had no doubt of the outcome. I use my .22-250 in Texas on everything from jack rabbits to black buck, to hogs. Head shots make all things good and mine topped with a Vari X III is a laser.
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Quoted: Ask for the V50. They should have it for each of their plate types. CHRIS View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I have never seen an armor company post when their armor will fail, just what it's rated at. This plate is rated for m193 @ 3100 fps I believe. CHRIS |
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Nice video.
Someone needs to make a 22-250 pistol and the BATF's head will explode. |
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Quoted: I have never seen an armor company post when their armor will fail, just what it's rated at. This plate is rated for m193 @ 3100 fps I believe. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good test. Pretty much confirmed what was suspected in your M193 thread, and it definitely shows that the velocity threshold for penetration is somewhere between 3k and 4k fps - even with non-optimal bullet construction. Now that you have both a lower bound with M193 and an upper bound with 22-250 V-Max, it would be quite interesting to step back down to 5.56/.223 and see if you can find a hot enough load to penetrate. Some of the lighter weight projectiles might be close to the threshold. M193 is pretty much at it limit for 55gr 22. 40gr 223 will no doubt penetrate level 3+ armor at close range. It around 3800 fps depending powder use. That's why I think it would be good to test it. Did AR500.com post information at what velocity their Lvl 3+ armor fail? If not someone should ask them. I'm sure they have the data. This plate is rated for m193 @ 3100 fps I believe. I would love to compare it to Hornady ballistic data. In regard to 22-250, it will no doubt penetrate lvl 3+ armor at 100 and 200 yards. 300 yards maybe, 400 iffy. |
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LOL No problem man. Probably not for 2 weeks or so, I can't dump all my vids out at once because I can only make it to the range 2-3 times a month and I probably won't drop two armor videos in a row. I used the 35 gr superformance round that's listed at 4450 fps against the Level IV plate that AR500 sent me. I'll spare you guys the safe thread until I get ready to post the video. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I'll be dipped in shit. Thanks 10mm. You have delivered. When will we see the ceramic vid? No problem man. Probably not for 2 weeks or so, I can't dump all my vids out at once because I can only make it to the range 2-3 times a month and I probably won't drop two armor videos in a row. I used the 35 gr superformance round that's listed at 4450 fps against the Level IV plate that AR500 sent me. I'll spare you guys the safe thread until I get ready to post the video. Can't wait. |
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Quoted: I've seen 7.62x51 AP go through 1/4" AR500, so I'm would be shocked if the steel rifle plate stops it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Do you have a 308 and really thick piece of steel? If so I can send you a few of these to test- http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/4C841E6F-FBDA-4264-9550-CA7EA7CC5EA5.jpg Want to do an AP video? I took one apart, and while I'm not sure what the penetrator is made of it's pretty cool nonetheless. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/4C111312-5D26-4171-A27A-98ABB9B42876.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/AD093E74-763D-486D-90C5-7394EDD9A214.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/AD093E74-763D-486D-90C5-7394EDD9A214.jpg I've seen 7.62x51 AP go through 1/4" AR500, so I'm would be shocked if the steel rifle plate stops it. |
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Quoted: It won't even come close to stopping black tip. The 2 dings you see on the armor plate are M193 and M855 from 50 yards. The hole is M2AP. http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww259/trobertson5-0/101_0897_zps71cb671e.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My 308 is an 18" M&P 10 Want to do an AP video? I took one apart, and while I'm not sure what the penetrator is made of it's pretty cool nonetheless. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/4C111312-5D26-4171-A27A-98ABB9B42876.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/AD093E74-763D-486D-90C5-7394EDD9A214.jpg http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn38/rccox/Guns/AD093E74-763D-486D-90C5-7394EDD9A214.jpg I've seen 7.62x51 AP go through 1/4" AR500, so I'm would be shocked if the steel rifle plate stops it. It won't even come close to stopping black tip. The 2 dings you see on the armor plate are M193 and M855 from 50 yards. The hole is M2AP. http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww259/trobertson5-0/101_0897_zps71cb671e.jpg |
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I am going to go with qualified yes. You can make a load that will with ease at a reasonable range and you can build a load that wont.
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