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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:24:14 PM EDT
[#1]
So confuse. Can you search your municipal ordinances?
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:24:41 PM EDT
[#2]
Don't know the answer, but it is shit like this that causes people to build Killdozers.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:25:15 PM EDT
[#3]
Seems wrong, hire a lawyer.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:25:17 PM EDT
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Just did this with my township. Except with septic. I have a perfectly function septic system but.... I had to pay my fair share of there install on pubic sewer.
My street to the tune of $9,800. Plus. If or when my septic fails I must pay to hook up about another $11,000 and pay a hook up fee to the township. We tried to fight in court ( not me but I contributed to the lawyer fees) township wins |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:25:33 PM EDT
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Hook into city service, turn on the spigot into your yard, do not turn off...ever.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:27:22 PM EDT
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Do you have water service?
Tell them you will pay the monthly service fee, but you want them to run the line out to your place and provide a connection, on the taxpayers dime of course. Then call the newspaper. Beyond that I would find a lawyer that is good at getting stuff grandfathered. Either that or just tell them to fuck off, what are they going to do otherwise, shut off your water? If you don't ever plan on moving let them lien the place. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:28:43 PM EDT
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Just did this with my township. Except with septic. I have a perfectly function septic system but.... I had to pay my fair share of there install on pubic sewer. My street to the tune of $9,800. Plus. If or when my septic fails I must pay to hook up about another $11,000 and pay a hook up fee to the township. We tried to fight in court ( not me but I contributed to the lawyer fees) township wins That's even more fucked up. Holy hell! |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:28:43 PM EDT
[#8]
How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?)
How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:29:20 PM EDT
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You've been annexed = you're fooked.
If you ever get hooked into city water I'd secretly keep the well live in case SHTF scenario. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:29:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Edited...VA-gunnut
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:29:30 PM EDT
[#11]
Utilities hate private wells, Ban them and then meter the water, its for the children.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:29:33 PM EDT
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How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?) How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:29:53 PM EDT
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what state are you in?
the city is twisting in the wind out here to come up with ways for this. I have a friend who made an addition to his home, he was recently annexed and due to the additon they want to place a meter on his well, but they say they aren't going to charge him (yer right) I'm currently fighting with the city over trash service at my business over a similar deal, but I found a loophole (roll off construction dumpers aren't part of the city regulation plan, it takes me 3 months to fill it and its 1/4 the price of the city dumpster PER MONTH) the city sends their trash service peddler here to bother me, it really chaps his ass to see that big ass dumpster. 
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:29:55 PM EDT
[#14]
If I'm ever in that position, I'm suing everyone, for everything.
Then, when The Man wins (because he always does), I'm cleaning out all my belongings, walking away, and declaring bankruptcy. Seven years later, I'll be just fine, and the city who annexed the property in order to steal my money and force me to pay for their expansion can go suck a fucking DICK. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:30:35 PM EDT
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Hook into city service, turn on the spigot into your yard, do not turn off...ever. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:30:54 PM EDT
[#16]
I'd be livid.
I love how people try to force their way into your wallet un invited. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:30:59 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?) How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? They probably just consider it a tax. It's already been established that the government can tax you for not doing certain things.  |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:31:01 PM EDT
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They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?) How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. If you aren't being supplied with water on that system, then that is theft. Period. Treat it as such. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:31:36 PM EDT
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How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?) How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:32:32 PM EDT
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They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?) How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. Ah, well that figures. Government-owned and operated utilities for the win. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:35:10 PM EDT
[#21]
Lawyer up.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:36:09 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, well that figures. Government-owned and operated utilities for the win. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?) How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. Ah, well that figures. Government-owned and operated utilities for the win. Imagine if Comcast ran the water supply. Things would be worse than California.  There is simply no winning with infrastructure no matter who runs it. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:36:40 PM EDT
[#23]
What exactly are the billing you for?
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:38:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Lawyer and call the local news.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:38:41 PM EDT
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Don't know the answer, but it is shit like this that causes people to build Killdozers. Yep. Its usually small bullshit like this that pisses me off the most. Enough people bitched around here to finally end mandatory trash pickup. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:39:44 PM EDT
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Imagine if Comcast ran the water supply. Things would be worse than California.
There is simply no winning with infrastructure no matter who runs it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?) How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. Ah, well that figures. Government-owned and operated utilities for the win. Imagine if Comcast ran the water supply. Things would be worse than California.
There is simply no winning with infrastructure no matter who runs it. No one becomes a mandatory customer of comcast because comcast decided to lay fiber in their city/county. I've lived in cities that had a government-mandated utility monopoly (San Antonio). The service fucking sucked and there was no lawful alternative. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:39:48 PM EDT
[#27]
wow OP that sucks
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:41:35 PM EDT
[#28]
You should just tell them to shut off your city water. lol
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:41:46 PM EDT
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What exactly are the billing you for? His "fair share" of what it cost the city to build a water treatment plant. Imagine if government owned automobile factories. They'd be charging you a monthly fee for the cost of building the factory whether you bought their shitbox or not. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:41:50 PM EDT
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What exactly are the billing you for? They are billing me for having a "parcel" within city limits, which they say means I have to help pay for their recent water project. There isn't even a pipe that comes onto my property, much less a curb stop or city water supply of any kind. My property is entirely self-contained for everything except electricity. So basically, they are telling me I have to pay for a service I do not receive or they will place a lien on my home. 
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:42:24 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What exactly are the billing you for? More like extorting. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:42:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No one becomes a mandatory customer of comcast because comcast decided to lay fiber in their city/county. I've lived in cities that had a government-mandated utility monopoly (San Antonio). The service fucking sucked and there was no lawful alternative. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Imagine if Comcast ran the water supply. Things would be worse than California. There is simply no winning with infrastructure no matter who runs it. No one becomes a mandatory customer of comcast because comcast decided to lay fiber in their city/county. I've lived in cities that had a government-mandated utility monopoly (San Antonio). The service fucking sucked and there was no lawful alternative. You think The Cartel (Comcast, Time Warner, Verizon) doesn't get tax payer money to lay fiber? 
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:44:34 PM EDT
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They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?) How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. $70 one time, or recurring fee? Were you annexed before the project was started, and did you have a vote on obligating funds for it? If no, this seems a "no taxation without representation" issue. Either way, you have to figure out if lawyering up is even worth it - as in how long would you have to pay for it to cost more than the lawyer fees, even assuming you win... and who owns the courts? |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:44:36 PM EDT
[#34]
Is this a $70 one time fee? Yearly? Monthly?
If it's one time, or just part of a yearly tax bill, I'd grumble and pay it. Monthly? I'd call a lawyer. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:44:37 PM EDT
[#35]
Where do you live OP?
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:44:45 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They are billing me for having a "parcel" within city limits, which they say means I have to help pay for their recent water project. There isn't even a pipe that comes onto my property, much less a curb stop or city water supply of any kind. My property is entirely self-contained for everything except electricity. So basically, they are telling me I have to pay for a service I do not receive or they will place a lien on my home. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What exactly are the billing you for? They are billing me for having a "parcel" within city limits, which they say means I have to help pay for their recent water project. There isn't even a pipe that comes onto my property, much less a curb stop or city water supply of any kind. My property is entirely self-contained for everything except electricity. So basically, they are telling me I have to pay for a service I do not receive or they will place a lien on my home. You can thank The Supreme Court for that bullshit. Was only a time until States and Localities took advantage of it |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:44:59 PM EDT
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You think The Cartel (Comcast, Time Warner, Verizon) doesn't get tax payer money to lay fiber? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Imagine if Comcast ran the water supply. Things would be worse than California.
There is simply no winning with infrastructure no matter who runs it. No one becomes a mandatory customer of comcast because comcast decided to lay fiber in their city/county. I've lived in cities that had a government-mandated utility monopoly (San Antonio). The service fucking sucked and there was no lawful alternative. You think The Cartel (Comcast, Time Warner, Verizon) doesn't get tax payer money to lay fiber? If they do, they shouldn't. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:45:50 PM EDT
[#38]
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If I'm ever in that position, I'm suing everyone, for everything. Then, when The Man wins (because he always does), I'm cleaning out all my belongings, walking away, and declaring bankruptcy. Seven years later, I'll be just fine, and the city who annexed the property in order to steal my money and force me to pay for their expansion can go suck a fucking DICK. I like the way you think. 
As someone said above....a lien don't mean shit till you sell. Don't give them a fucking dime. 
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:46:21 PM EDT
[#39]
Sounds like it's time to move.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:46:42 PM EDT
[#40]
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$70 one time, or recurring fee? Were you annexed before the project was started, and did you have a vote on obligating funds for it? If no, this seems a "no taxation without representation" issue. Either way, you have to figure out if lawyering up is even worth it - as in how long would you have to pay for it to cost more than the lawyer fees, even assuming you win... and who owns the courts? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are they calculating your bill without any kind of meter (or even connection?) How is it they can place a lien against your property for failing to pay a utility bill? Where do you live? They aren't calculating anything. $70 is the base rate to pay for their brand new water project that was just completed. $70 one time, or recurring fee? Were you annexed before the project was started, and did you have a vote on obligating funds for it? If no, this seems a "no taxation without representation" issue. Either way, you have to figure out if lawyering up is even worth it - as in how long would you have to pay for it to cost more than the lawyer fees, even assuming you win... and who owns the courts? $70 every month forever. But at least it includes the first 1000 gallons of city water for free! The fact that I don't have city water is apparently irrelevant to them. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:46:55 PM EDT
[#41]
OP must have no AR.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:47:38 PM EDT
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Sounds like it's time to move. I'm considering it (seriously) but I also really like my land. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:49:24 PM EDT
[#43]
Sounds like they annexed you and your neighbors to help fund their project. Get with your fellow annexed citizens and sue.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:49:39 PM EDT
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This is why a lot of cities annex property .
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:50:29 PM EDT
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That's even more fucked up. Holy hell! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just did this with my township. Except with septic. I have a perfectly function septic system but.... I had to pay my fair share of there install on pubic sewer. My street to the tune of $9,800. Plus. If or when my septic fails I must pay to hook up about another $11,000 and pay a hook up fee to the township. We tried to fight in court ( not me but I contributed to the lawyer fees) township wins That's even more fucked up. Holy hell! My grandmother just had to pay $12k for the same thing, she's now hooked up and everything is updated. She's pissed as she has a newer septic system and never had issues but is now on the townships system. She also just had to get a smart gas meter (as did everyone else in her neighborhood) |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:50:43 PM EDT
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Sounds like they annexed you and your neighbors to help fund their project. Get with your fellow annexed citizens and sue. They also annexed because it included a large truck stop / gas station that now has to pay them city taxes. The station and I both opposed to annex. Guess how much difference that made? |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:51:24 PM EDT
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They are billing me for having a "parcel" within city limits, which they say means I have to help pay for their recent water project. There isn't even a pipe that comes onto my property, much less a curb stop or city water supply of any kind. My property is entirely self-contained for everything except electricity. So basically, they are telling me I have to pay for a service I do not receive or they will place a lien on my home. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What exactly are the billing you for? They are billing me for having a "parcel" within city limits, which they say means I have to help pay for their recent water project. There isn't even a pipe that comes onto my property, much less a curb stop or city water supply of any kind. My property is entirely self-contained for everything except electricity. So basically, they are telling me I have to pay for a service I do not receive or they will place a lien on my home. So is it a special tax? It doesn't sound like you're being billed for water service. It sounds more like a tax of some kind to pay for a treatment plant? Either way that's messed up if you're not eligible for water service. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:51:29 PM EDT
[#48]
Can you sue them for failure to deliver the services you pay for ? Can you get relief from the state ? I did not see but what state and city ?
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:51:35 PM EDT
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This is why a lot of cities annex property . And people shriek and throw feces when you suggest that maybe government shouldn't be involved in providing utilities. Oh well. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:51:55 PM EDT
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send them this in lieu of $70
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