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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:38:07 PM EDT
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My guess would be that if you refuse to open the safe, they'll either call a safe guy to come over and open it, or rip it from the floor and take it elsewhere to be opened.
If they have a warrant, it includes the safe. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:39:07 PM EDT
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With a high probability that the warrant would include the safes and any other cabinet/closet/container in the house, its more than likely going to be a scenario where either you open it or they will bring someone in to open it.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:39:27 PM EDT
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Put a post it note on it "attorney client privilege".
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:39:37 PM EDT
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Meh
The Stormtroopers are going to get in the safe one way or another. Its a question of getting the safe repaired after the Gestapo cracks it and doesn't find anything. In that situation, I would open the safe for the JBT. A more interesting question is handing over an encryption key that can't be cracked. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:40:08 PM EDT
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We have a guy we can call out 24/7. He'll get in to the safe. It just takes a little extra time.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:40:37 PM EDT
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"You can open it, or we will."
I don't think you get much of a choice. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:41:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess would be that if you refuse to open the safe, they'll either call a safe guy to come over and open it, or rip it from the floor and take it elsewhere to be opened. If they have a warrant, it includes the safe. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:41:37 PM EDT
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Your best bet is to open it for them. Your best bet is to just play nice because since they are looking for drugs, chances are that they aren't going to check you for something like 922r compliance.... but if you piss them off, you can bet your ass they will.
Pretty much every warrant would and should include every container and everything within the premises. At the very least you just saved yourself the cost of a new safe or locksmith fees to replace everything that they fucked up. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:41:45 PM EDT
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If cops ever want in your safe force them to break into it don't give them the combination. If for some reason they weren't supposed to be in there they can't claim you consented and gave them the combination.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:42:49 PM EDT
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I'd call an attorney ASAP, if the law allows turn on audio or video recording on my cell, refuse to open the safe until an attorney arrived, and only open it if they were about to take a fucking Jaws of Life to it (and likely destroy at least some of the the safe's contents).
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:46:30 PM EDT
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Probably lock your ass up too for not complying with the warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My guess would be that if you refuse to open the safe, they'll either call a safe guy to come over and open it, or rip it from the floor and take it elsewhere to be opened. If they have a warrant, it includes the safe. They are allowed to look. You aren't obligated to give them the combination, but you'll get a broken safe if you don't. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:46:55 PM EDT
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im not going to open it.... btw, i think i left it full of black powder ... but i cant remember. good luck, and all that.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:47:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If cops ever want in your safe force them to break into it don't give them the combination. If for some reason they weren't supposed to be in there they can't claim you consented and gave them the combination. They have a warrant. If the address matches your address, they have a reason to be there. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:47:56 PM EDT
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Oh, the safe is coming open. The only question is if the door will be able to be closed when done.
Your best bet is to open it for them, so the door swings shut when they leave. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:47:57 PM EDT
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Meh The Stormtroopers are going to get in the safe one way or another. Its a question of getting the safe repaired after the Gestapo cracks it and doesn't find anything. In that situation, I would open the safe for the JBT. A more interesting question is handing over an encryption key that can't be cracked. This. Modern encryption done right is literally unbreakable. There's a reason the NSA tries to insert backdoors into the vendor software. Math doesn't lie. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:48:18 PM EDT
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They would probably tear out your roof and floor to bring in a crane to lift it up. You know, whatever causes you the most hardship for not consenting
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:48:40 PM EDT
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A local metro PD came to the agency I was working for when they served a warrant on a well known local millionaire/furniture store heir-socialite who was suspected of drugs and weapons offenses about 20 years ago. The agency I worked for at the time taught "Methods of Entry" to LEO and .mil. The suspect had 5 huge gun safes full of weapons, all of them turned out to be perfectly legal, IIRC...)
The suspect forced TPD to get a warrant. They came back and told us that they wanted ALL the safes opened destructively cut open...even though we could have done it without messing up the safes, just would have taken a little longer to manipulate the locks with an electronic manipulator ("auto dialer"). It was the same as saying, "If you make us get a warrant, we'll shoot your dogs", IMHO. 
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:48:44 PM EDT
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My guess would be that if you refuse to open the safe, they'll either call a safe guy to come over and open it, or rip it from the floor and take it elsewhere to be opened. If they have a warrant, it includes the safe. If they have a warrant, it includes EVERYTHING. I've heard of searches where they even tore open the fruit they found in the refrigerator. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:49:05 PM EDT
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They have a warrant. If the address matches your address, they have a reason to be there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If cops ever want in your safe force them to break into it don't give them the combination. If for some reason they weren't supposed to be in there they can't claim you consented and gave them the combination. They have a warrant. If the address matches your address, they have a reason to be there. Unless what's in the warrant can't physically fit in the safe, and I'd be surprised to hear if about any warrant doesn't include some papers or something small that could reasonable fit about anywhere. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:50:27 PM EDT
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Oh, the safe is coming open. The only question is if the door will be able to be closed when done. Your best bet is to open it for them, so the door swings shut when they leave. Unless you do have something illegal in the safe, then consult your attorney first for advise. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:50:39 PM EDT
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Your best bet is to open it for them. Your best bet is to just play nice because since they are looking for drugs, chances are that they aren't going to check you for something like 922r compliance.... but if you piss them off, you can bet your ass they will. Pretty much every warrant would and should include every container and everything within the premises. At the very least you just saved yourself the cost of a new safe or locksmith fees to replace everything that they fucked up. And any cash they find inside will go in to 'evidence' and not be returned until after the trial of course. TRG |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:50:40 PM EDT
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"You can open it, or we will." I don't think you get much of a choice. Yep....either way they will be taking what is inside it. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:52:05 PM EDT
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They are allowed to look. You aren't obligated to give them the combination, but you'll get a broken safe if you don't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My guess would be that if you refuse to open the safe, they'll either call a safe guy to come over and open it, or rip it from the floor and take it elsewhere to be opened. If they have a warrant, it includes the safe. They are allowed to look. You aren't obligated to give them the combination, but you'll get a broken safe if you don't. This. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:53:11 PM EDT
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They have a warrant. If the address matches your address, they have a reason to be there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If cops ever want in your safe force them to break into it don't give them the combination. If for some reason they weren't supposed to be in there they can't claim you consented and gave them the combination. They have a warrant. If the address matches your address, they have a reason to be there. Warrants have been challenged before. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:53:30 PM EDT
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A locksmith friend opened lots of safes for police raids. He used to hate coming up to the scene and a cop yelling out, "here's the guy to open to safe". Meanwhile the handcuffed suspects are sitting on the floor giving him the stink eye.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:55:57 PM EDT
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Your best bet is to open it for them. Your best bet is to just play nice because since they are looking for drugs, chances are that they aren't going to check you for something like 922r compliance.... but if you piss them off, you can bet your ass they will. Pretty much every warrant would and should include every container and everything within the premises. At the very least you just saved yourself the cost of a new safe or locksmith fees to replace everything that they fucked up. You do realize that they WILL take all the guns, right? Look, OP's scenario includes a warrant based on drugs. Drugs = there is a "prohibited person" living in the house; they would not issue the warrant without that belief. Warrant = "active investigation." They are not about to leave a prohibited person in the house with lots of guns they are prohibited from having. And there IS a prohibited person living there because the authorities BELIEVE that there is. Solution: sieze all guns pending outcome of investigation. Protocol. It does not matter if they don't find any drugs in the house. Maybe the drugs are elewhere? One search alone will not change their BELIEFE. And again, see protocol. Unless it turns out to be the wrong house or something, all your guns are headed for the evidence room if a search warrant is issued. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 1:58:08 PM EDT
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Hypothetical, thought of from the no warrant /got a warrant kids and cannibals oil thread. You are a regular upper middle class family, you come home to find cops everywhere waiting on a warrant written for drugs since your kid made a fuss at school. Now, you aren't a druggie and you don't have anything in the safe or anywhere else. Cops go in can't find anything. Assume the warrant is written for just drugs and paraphernalia. There's no mention of guns anywhere. The see the safe and of course want in, so they ask you for the combination. A drug dog runs the safe and it doesn't hit on it. The safe is a large liberty or whatever quality safe you want, bolted to the ground and in the corner of a basement room. Loaded it is likely too heavy to make it up the stairs. What are the cops options? Do they need another warrant for the safe? Can they get a cracker to open or destroy it? Or would they need to stop and not bother with it since the dog didn't hit on the safe? You believe giving the combination may incriminate you because of your gun stash and the ever changing gun laws that then the gov can't keep up with. Are you legally obligated to give the combination? Assume asshole cops who don't give a fuck about you and have already caused damage to your property in the search. Worked a case exactly like this. Recorded buy n the home. Seller was a well to do upstanding citizen type on the outside. (Federal Corrections) The warrant included all the house and storage devices etc. They got in the safe and got all of his cash and guns. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:01:11 PM EDT
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You do realize that they WILL take all the guns, right? Look, OP's scenario includes a warrant based on drugs. Drugs = there is a "prohibited person" living in the house; they would not issue the warrant without that belief. Warrant = "active investigation." They are not about to leave a prohibited person in the house with lots of guns they are prohibited from having. And there IS a prohibited person living there because the authorities BELIEVE that there is. Solution: sieze all guns pending outcome of investigation. Protocol. It does not matter if they don't find any drugs in the house. Maybe the drugs are elewhere? One search alone will not change their BELIEFE. And again, see protocol. Unless it turns out to be the wrong house or something, all your guns are headed for the evidence room if a search warrant is issued. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your best bet is to open it for them. Your best bet is to just play nice because since they are looking for drugs, chances are that they aren't going to check you for something like 922r compliance.... but if you piss them off, you can bet your ass they will. Pretty much every warrant would and should include every container and everything within the premises. At the very least you just saved yourself the cost of a new safe or locksmith fees to replace everything that they fucked up. You do realize that they WILL take all the guns, right? Look, OP's scenario includes a warrant based on drugs. Drugs = there is a "prohibited person" living in the house; they would not issue the warrant without that belief. Warrant = "active investigation." They are not about to leave a prohibited person in the house with lots of guns they are prohibited from having. And there IS a prohibited person living there because the authorities BELIEVE that there is. Solution: sieze all guns pending outcome of investigation. Protocol. It does not matter if they don't find any drugs in the house. Maybe the drugs are elewhere? One search alone will not change their BELIEFE. And again, see protocol. Unless it turns out to be the wrong house or something, all your guns are headed for the evidence room if a search warrant is issued. I am not aware of any law that makes possession of a firearm by an unlawful drug user a crime. They are prohibited from purchasing guns from FFLs, but I do not believe there is any prohibition on mere possession by someone who'd have to answer "yes" to 11(e) on the 4473. Guns are usually taken on warrants regardless of the existence of PC to take them and regardless of whether they are mentioned as items to be seized in the warrant. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:01:16 PM EDT
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A warrant has to specify what they seek and where it is believed to be located.
Warrant in hand, the police are permitted to search the specified "where" and within anything found therein that is capable of concealing the "what" that they wish to seize. In your example, the where is your house and the what is drugs. Drugs will easily fit in a gun safe. Therefore, you can open the safe or the cops will open it for you. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:01:47 PM EDT
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They can do anything they want to do its your lawyers job to worry about it at that point, ain't shit you can do about at that time.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:02:32 PM EDT
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My guess would be that if you refuse to open the safe, they'll either call a safe guy to come over and open it, or rip it from the floor and take it elsewhere to be opened. If they have a warrant, it includes the safe. Quote HistoryQuoted:
My guess would be that if you refuse to open the safe, they'll either call a safe guy to come over and open it, or rip it from the floor and take it elsewhere to be opened. If they have a warrant, it includes the safe. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Wouldn't this mean that they have to say where in the home they believe the evil drugs are located? Wouldn't they have to articulate why they believe the drugs would be in Dad's safe, not the kid's sock drawer? Of course, that's all assuming that the government paid even lip service to the Constitution anymore. In reality, the judges and police don't give two fucks and will just do whatever they want and dare you to do something about it. "What? No, this safe was plasma cut open and laying in the front yard when we got here. Fuck you." |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:03:47 PM EDT
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Meh The Stormtroopers are going to get in the safe one way or another. Its a question of getting the safe repaired after the Gestapo cracks it and doesn't find anything. In that situation, I would open the safe for the JBT. A more interesting question is handing over an encryption key that can't be cracked. You can be held in contempt of court for refusing to divulge the key, but what could they do if you "forgot" it? |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:04:43 PM EDT
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OP, when a search warrant is written, it written to include the smallest factor in the scope of its search.
Three words that allow police to search anywhere: Records and documents. Can a piece of paper be put anywhere? Just about. Can a drug or paraphernalia fit in your safe? Yes. I give people two options: #1 Open the safe, I look, it stays in tact. #2 I get my tools and get 45 minutes of cardio and you're out some money. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:05:11 PM EDT
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You are not legally obligated to give the cops a damn thing. You adamantly refuse to provide them permission to search, or to give them a combination for anything.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:05:18 PM EDT
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Wouldn't this mean that they have to say where in the home they believe the evil drugs are located? Wouldn't they have to articulate why they believe the drugs would be in Dad's safe, not the kid's sock drawer? Of course, that's all assuming that the government paid even lip service to the Constitution anymore. In reality, the judges and police don't give two fucks and will just do whatever they want and dare you to do something about it. "What? No, this safe was plasma cut open and laying in the front yard when we got here. Fuck you." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My guess would be that if you refuse to open the safe, they'll either call a safe guy to come over and open it, or rip it from the floor and take it elsewhere to be opened. If they have a warrant, it includes the safe. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Wouldn't this mean that they have to say where in the home they believe the evil drugs are located? Wouldn't they have to articulate why they believe the drugs would be in Dad's safe, not the kid's sock drawer? Of course, that's all assuming that the government paid even lip service to the Constitution anymore. In reality, the judges and police don't give two fucks and will just do whatever they want and dare you to do something about it. "What? No, this safe was plasma cut open and laying in the front yard when we got here. Fuck you." See my post above for the answers you seek. Also, it has been my experience that the magistrates who hear search warrant applications are NOT rubber stamping anything. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:06:13 PM EDT
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You are not legally obligated to give the cops a damn thing. You adamantly refuse to provide them permission to search, or to give them a combination for anything. Then they bust it open. Do what you want, but if it's in the scope of the search and they want to look--they can. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:08:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With a high probability that the warrant would include the safes and any other cabinet/closet/container in the house, its more than likely going to be a scenario where either you open it or they will bring someone in to open it. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:08:56 PM EDT
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First off...there is no way a drug dog is not alerting on a safe..handlers are way better then that...second..they gonnna be looking in that safe and your anus with a fine tooth comb..weather you give them the combo or not...
 quit clenching..dammit....
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:11:02 PM EDT
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Do they even give you time to read the warrant before they start ripping apart your house? Can you say hold on, let me read this and call my lawyer before you fuck up my house?
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:11:38 PM EDT
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You can be held in contempt of court for refusing to divulge the key, but what could they do if you "forgot" it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh The Stormtroopers are going to get in the safe one way or another. Its a question of getting the safe repaired after the Gestapo cracks it and doesn't find anything. In that situation, I would open the safe for the JBT. A more interesting question is handing over an encryption key that can't be cracked. You can be held in contempt of court for refusing to divulge the key, but what could they do if you "forgot" it? I don't believe there's particularly good case law on this yet but it should follow the physical world's rules. Just because it's hard doesn't remove the fifth amendment protections. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:11:39 PM EDT
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You can be held in contempt of court for refusing to divulge the key, but what could they do if you "forgot" it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh The Stormtroopers are going to get in the safe one way or another. Its a question of getting the safe repaired after the Gestapo cracks it and doesn't find anything. In that situation, I would open the safe for the JBT. A more interesting question is handing over an encryption key that can't be cracked. You can be held in contempt of court for refusing to divulge the key, but what could they do if you "forgot" it? How so? Does the search warrant specifically order you to give the combination to police? Can a judge order someone to give the combination to police? Now police charging someone with interfering with an investigation or obstruction, I could see that happening. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:13:32 PM EDT
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Is the safe on a treadmill? We need the fine details.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:14:48 PM EDT
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Your best bet is to open it for them, so the door swings shut when they leave. What's more valuable - the safe, or what's inside it? If they open it, assume they're taking whatever is inside. You can't prevent them from opening it, but you can make it a big hassle for them to do so. Warrant or not, I've done nothing wrong. I'm not opening shit. If I'm free to go, my family and I are leaving. Go ahead, ransack my house and break my stuff. My lawyer will be giving you the bill when you're done. I'm happy to enjoy a nice new safe (three to five years from now). If you get to the point where the cops are cutting open your safe, you're in for a long and painful ordeal no matter what. Replacing the safe is a drop in the bucket. Don't open shit. ETA: You're fucked either way. "Anything you say or do..." Therefore, I choose to do and say nothing. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:16:15 PM EDT
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How so? Does the search warrant specifically order you to give the combination to police? Can a judge order someone to give the combination to police? Now police charging someone with interfering with an investigation or obstruction, I could see that happening. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh The Stormtroopers are going to get in the safe one way or another. Its a question of getting the safe repaired after the Gestapo cracks it and doesn't find anything. In that situation, I would open the safe for the JBT. A more interesting question is handing over an encryption key that can't be cracked. You can be held in contempt of court for refusing to divulge the key, but what could they do if you "forgot" it? How so? Does the search warrant specifically order you to give the combination to police? Can a judge order someone to give the combination to police? Now police charging someone with interfering with an investigation or obstruction, I could see that happening. It's only obstruction if a person deliberately interferes with the warrant. Merely refusing to assist is anyone's right. Further, it's also not illegal to not provide the unlock code for your cell phone. The cops can seize it and attempt to search it, but it is up to them to figure out a way to gain access. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:17:04 PM EDT
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What's more valuable - the safe, or what's inside it? If they open it, assume they're taking whatever is inside. You can't prevent them from opening it, but you can make it a big hassle for them to do so. Warrant or not, I've done nothing wrong. I'm not opening shit. If I'm free to go, my family and I are leaving. Go ahead, ransack my house and break my stuff. My lawyer will be giving you the bill when you're done. I'm happy to enjoy a nice new safe. If you get to the point where the cops are cutting open your safe, you're in for a long and painful ordeal no matter what. Replacing the safe is a drop in the bucket. Don't open shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Your best bet is to open it for them, so the door swings shut when they leave. What's more valuable - the safe, or what's inside it? If they open it, assume they're taking whatever is inside. You can't prevent them from opening it, but you can make it a big hassle for them to do so. Warrant or not, I've done nothing wrong. I'm not opening shit. If I'm free to go, my family and I are leaving. Go ahead, ransack my house and break my stuff. My lawyer will be giving you the bill when you're done. I'm happy to enjoy a nice new safe. If you get to the point where the cops are cutting open your safe, you're in for a long and painful ordeal no matter what. Replacing the safe is a drop in the bucket. Don't open shit. You've clearly never followed case law in court. Tell us more. Civil liability does not apply when something is within the scope of search warrant. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:18:03 PM EDT
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If the warrant is for drugs, they can look in your safe assuming your safe is large enough to contain drugs. If you refuse to provide the combo or keys under the 5th, they will force entry.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:19:11 PM EDT
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Your best bet is to open it for them. Your best bet is to just play nice because since they are looking for drugs, chances are that they aren't going to check you for something like 922r compliance.... but if you piss them off, you can bet your ass they will. Pretty much every warrant would and should include every container and everything within the premises. At the very least you just saved yourself the cost of a new safe or locksmith fees to replace everything that they fucked up. Which is bullshit, the police should pay for fucking shit up when they don't find anything. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:19:36 PM EDT
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OPs house...
Someone embed it. https://youtu.be/BhJpef5-IcU NSFW also! |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:19:58 PM EDT
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The scope of the search is an issue I would handle in front of the Judge, not with the officer's present in your home who have no legal education. Just saying, don't help them build a case against you, that's what they get paid for.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 2:22:10 PM EDT
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Hypothetical, thought of from the no warrant /got a warrant kids and cannibals oil thread. You are a regular upper middle class family, you come home to find cops everywhere waiting on a warrant written for drugs since your kid made a fuss at school. Now, you aren't a druggie and you don't have anything in the safe or anywhere else. Cops go in can't find anything. Assume the warrant is written for just drugs and paraphernalia. There's no mention of guns anywhere. The see the safe and of course want in, so they ask you for the combination. A drug dog runs the safe and it doesn't hit on it. The safe is a large liberty or whatever quality safe you want, bolted to the ground and in the corner of a basement room. Loaded it is likely too heavy to make it up the stairs. What are the cops options? Do they need another warrant for the safe? Can they get a cracker to open or destroy it? Or would they need to stop and not bother with it since the dog didn't hit on the safe? You believe giving the combination may incriminate you because of your gun stash and the ever changing gun laws that then the gov can't keep up with. Are you legally obligated to give the combination? Assume asshole cops who don't give a fuck about you and have already caused damage to your property in the search. LOL, Uh huh. |
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