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Posted: 6/10/2015 9:53:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/10/2015 10:35:49 PM EDT
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Wait.....now it comes out Mosby sent an email to the very LT she has now charged with murder to be aggressive with drug dealers on that very street corner.
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Posted: 6/10/2015 10:39:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait.....now it comes out Mosby sent an email to the very LT she has now charged with murder to be aggressive with drug dealers on that very street corner. Challenge accepted, apparently. 
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Posted: 6/10/2015 10:56:03 PM EDT
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Wait.....now it comes out Mosby sent an email to the very LT she has now charged with murder to be aggressive with drug dealers on that very street corner. And in her husbands district. I guess other high crime areas were on their own. |
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Posted: 6/10/2015 11:44:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/11/2015 2:41:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait.....now it comes out Mosby sent an email to the very LT she has now charged with murder to be aggressive with drug dealers on that very street corner. And to her apparent surprise, at the very street corner she specifically identified as needing extra drug enforcement, cops saw a known drug dealer (Gray), do a hand off/exchange like drug dealers do, and then he ran when the cops looked at him. I can see the court room now Q: "..and why do you claim this was a high drug sale area?" A: "Because you said so..." |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 2:48:33 AM EDT
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And to her apparent surprise, at the very street corner she specifically identified as needing extra drug enforcement, cops saw a known drug dealer (Gray), do a hand off/exchange like drug dealers do, and then he ran when the cops looked at him. I can see the court room now Q: "..and why do you claim this was a high drug sale area?" A: "Because you said so..." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait.....now it comes out Mosby sent an email to the very LT she has now charged with murder to be aggressive with drug dealers on that very street corner. And to her apparent surprise, at the very street corner she specifically identified as needing extra drug enforcement, cops saw a known drug dealer (Gray), do a hand off/exchange like drug dealers do, and then he ran when the cops looked at him. I can see the court room now Q: "..and why do you claim this was a high drug sale area?" A: "Because you said so..." But, I was told by attorneys on this very board that such a thing can't be defined. |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 12:18:15 PM EDT
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van.
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Posted: 6/11/2015 12:38:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. But you could still blame that on the police because you have to ask what events led to the point where Gray would have felt he needed to swallow the drugs and start running, which brings us back to... oh, Mosby. Well, I tried. |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 12:41:41 PM EDT
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. He survived a week in the hospital, I wonder if they pumped his stomach upon arrival or ran a drug screen. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 1:01:05 PM EDT
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He survived a week in the hospital, I wonder if they pumped his stomach upon arrival or ran a drug screen. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. He survived a week in the hospital, I wonder if they pumped his stomach upon arrival or ran a drug screen. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Fox News last night mentioned the refusal to release the autopsy report. Don't remember who it was that said it but they said the autopsy will show he had whatever he was selling in his system as he was a current heroin user. |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 4:37:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. I don't understand how she thinks she can do this. Any lawyers know if this can be withheld in discovery? |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 4:46:50 PM EDT
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I don't understand how she thinks she can do this. Any lawyers know if this can be withheld in discovery? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. I don't understand how she thinks she can do this. Any lawyers know if this can be withheld in discovery? She is avoiding releasing any information so that she can enjoy her time in the spotlight. The knife was illegal, home boy was dealing drugs, and she ordered a crackdown. At least that's what Magic 8-ball says. |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 6:57:02 PM EDT
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I don't understand how she thinks she can do this. Any lawyers know if this can be withheld in discovery? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. I don't understand how she thinks she can do this. Any lawyers know if this can be withheld in discovery? Can't be withheld once discovery is filed. |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 8:11:12 PM EDT
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Can't Not supposed to be withheld once discovery is filed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. I don't understand how she thinks she can do this. Any lawyers know if this can be withheld in discovery? Can't Not supposed to be withheld once discovery is filed. FIFY. |
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Posted: 6/11/2015 8:42:45 PM EDT
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Meh.
I'd still hit it. She could file charges afterward. |
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Posted: 6/12/2015 2:31:41 PM EDT
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Its getting even better
Marilyn Mosby claims to be "pro police" because she comes from a long line of police officers. Except.... http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/12/marilyn-mosbys-father-was-a-crooked-cop-police-officer-grandfather-sued-for-racial-discrimination/ |
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Posted: 6/12/2015 3:34:18 PM EDT
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Its getting even better Marilyn Mosby claims to be "pro police" because she comes from a long line of police officers. Except.... http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/12/marilyn-mosbys-father-was-a-crooked-cop-police-officer-grandfather-sued-for-racial-discrimination/ "I can't be a cop hater because I have a random relative who was a cop," is the new "I can't be racist because I have a black friend." |
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Posted: 6/12/2015 9:33:45 PM EDT
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Mosby Relies On Lack of Seatbelt and Van Within Probable Cause Outline “Bill of Particulars” – But Doesn’t Cite Individual Officers
...The office of State’s Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby filed the documents in response to motions by the officers’ defense attorneys requesting more information on her reasons for filing the charges.
Gray died in April after suffering a severe spinal cord injury in police custody, according to police and prosecutors. But how he was injured remains unclear. His autopsy results have not been made public. Mosby’s office has tried to keep that information out of the public eye. Prosecutors sought a gag order in the case, but the motion was opposed by the officers’ attorneys and denied by a judge on procedural grounds. The defense attorneys had asked for more detail on the murder and manslaughter charges. The prosecutors did not provide it. “A Bill of Particulars provides due process notice of the charges lodged,” they wrote, “but that process does not entail presenting the State’s case via public, pre-trial pleadings such that the entire possible jury pool has heard, considered, and potentially prejudged the evidence before the first witness has even entered the courthouse.” […] In explaining second-degree assault, reckless endangerment and misconduct charges against Goodson, White, Rice and Porter, prosecutors cited the seatbelt. They said each officer “caused physical harm” to Gray by failing to secure him in the back of the van, and that the van then acted as an “instrumentality” of each of them and “made harmful contact” with Gray. Prosecutors also referred to the seatbelt in explaining charges of misconduct in office and reckless endangerment against Nero and Miller. In explaining second-degree assault and misconduct charges against Nero and Miller, they said the officers lacked probable cause to arrest Gray. The state also cited a lack of probable cause in relation to one of two misconduct in office charges against Rice. lol |
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Posted: 6/12/2015 11:23:37 PM EDT
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. more than likely this is the scenario. Guy swallowed his product, spazzed out went into a seizure, fell off his perch, flopped around and cracked his back during the seizure. |
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Posted: 6/13/2015 12:09:14 AM EDT
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more than likely this is the scenario. Guy swallowed his product, spazzed out went into a seizure, fell off his perch, flopped around and cracked his back during the seizure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. more than likely this is the scenario. Guy swallowed his product, spazzed out went into a seizure, fell off his perch, flopped around and cracked his back during the seizure. There are a couple of senerios much more likely than that. At one time, it was reported the there was a witness in the van that said that he was slamming around trying to hurt himself. MOST likely is that the cops gave him a bounce ride for making them run and then fighting. |
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Posted: 6/13/2015 11:40:57 PM EDT
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There are a couple of senerios much more likely than that. At one time, it was reported the there was a witness in the van that said that he was slamming around trying to hurt himself. MOST likely is that the cops gave him a bounce ride for making them run and then fighting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. more than likely this is the scenario. Guy swallowed his product, spazzed out went into a seizure, fell off his perch, flopped around and cracked his back during the seizure. There are a couple of senerios much more likely than that. At one time, it was reported the there was a witness in the van that said that he was slamming around trying to hurt himself. MOST likely is that the cops gave him a bounce ride for making them run and then fighting. And yet the guy on the otherside of the van doesn't have a scratch/bruise on him 
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Posted: 6/14/2015 9:14:46 AM EDT
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And yet the guy on the otherside of the van doesn't have a scratch/bruise on him
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. more than likely this is the scenario. Guy swallowed his product, spazzed out went into a seizure, fell off his perch, flopped around and cracked his back during the seizure. There are a couple of senerios much more likely than that. At one time, it was reported the there was a witness in the van that said that he was slamming around trying to hurt himself. MOST likely is that the cops gave him a bounce ride for making them run and then fighting. And yet the guy on the otherside of the van doesn't have a scratch/bruise on him
Ed True, but look at the route. Gray was in the van by himself, and was driven away from the station. For whatever reason, the driver then felt the need to have him checked on. He was then driven all the way back to almost where he was arrested to pick up the second passenger. I should not have said that the bounce ride was the most likely. It's no more likely than his injuries having been self inflicted. Either scenario is far more likely than breaking his neck in a heroin induced seizure. 
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Posted: 6/14/2015 9:18:30 AM EDT
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True, but look at the route. Gray was in the van by himself, and was driven away from the station. For whatever reason, the driver then felt the need to have him checked on. He was then driven all the way back to almost where he was arrested to pick up the second passenger. I should not have said that the bounce ride was the most likely. It's no more likely than his injuries having been self inflicted. Either scenario is far more likely than breaking his neck in a heroin induced seizure. http://i59.tinypic.com/289ekp3.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mosby refusing to release the autopsy report even to defense attorneys isn't she? What are the chances that when the report is finally released it will show Freddie Gray had a substantial amount of drugs in his system, maybe he swallowed some heroin while he was running away and that caused him to fall and break his neck in the back of the van. more than likely this is the scenario. Guy swallowed his product, spazzed out went into a seizure, fell off his perch, flopped around and cracked his back during the seizure. There are a couple of senerios much more likely than that. At one time, it was reported the there was a witness in the van that said that he was slamming around trying to hurt himself. MOST likely is that the cops gave him a bounce ride for making them run and then fighting. And yet the guy on the otherside of the van doesn't have a scratch/bruise on him
Ed True, but look at the route. Gray was in the van by himself, and was driven away from the station. For whatever reason, the driver then felt the need to have him checked on. He was then driven all the way back to almost where he was arrested to pick up the second passenger. I should not have said that the bounce ride was the most likely. It's no more likely than his injuries having been self inflicted. Either scenario is far more likely than breaking his neck in a heroin induced seizure. http://i59.tinypic.com/289ekp3.jpg The paddy wagon drives around until it's full, then it returns to book the riders. And the roads in Baltimore are shit. Kharn |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 9:50:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:]Gray was alone in his compartment, there was an original prisoner in a different compartment and then a third prisoner was added after Gray IIRC.
The paddy wagon drives around until it's full, then it returns to book the riders. And the roads in Baltimore are shit. Kharn Oh, I only heard mention of the second passenger. Hopefully, we'll eventually find out what happened, but probably not. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 1:12:51 PM EDT
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Oh, I only heard mention of the second passenger. Hopefully, we'll eventually find out what happened, but probably not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:]Gray was alone in his compartment, there was an original prisoner in a different compartment and then a third prisoner was added after Gray IIRC.
The paddy wagon drives around until it's full, then it returns to book the riders. And the roads in Baltimore are shit. Kharn Oh, I only heard mention of the second passenger. Hopefully, we'll eventually find out what happened, but probably not. There is a controversy about this, involving reporter Jayne Miller and her lover, deputy State Attorney Janice Bledsoe... "On April 29th the Washington Post ran an explosive article highlighting information from a passenger who was inside the transport vehicle at the same time Freddie Gray was driven toward central booking. According to the Washington Post source: Freddie Gray was intentionally “trying to injure himself“. On April 30th local Baltimore media outlet WBAL-TV introduced Donta Allen, a person they claimed was the passenger in the transport vehicle. However, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. Our research indicates the office of Baltimore State Attorney, Marilyn Mosby, used or allowed one of her deputy State Attorneys, Janice Bledsoe (who was in charge of the investigation as assigned by Marilyn Mosby), to willfully and intentionally place a false story using Bledsoe’s lover, WBAL-TV reporter Jayne Miller, and thereby create a fictitious story to imply Donta Allen as the passenger outlined in the Washington Post story. Yes, you read that correctly." See the full story here... |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 2:45:26 PM EDT
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There is a controversy about this, involving reporter Jayne Miller and her lover, deputy State Attorney Janice Bledsoe... "On April 29th the Washington Post ran an explosive article highlighting information from a passenger who was inside the transport vehicle at the same time Freddie Gray was driven toward central booking. According to the Washington Post source: Freddie Gray was intentionally “trying to injure himself“. On April 30th local Baltimore media outlet WBAL-TV introduced Donta Allen, a person they claimed was the passenger in the transport vehicle. However, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. Our research indicates the office of Baltimore State Attorney, Marilyn Mosby, used or allowed one of her deputy State Attorneys, Janice Bledsoe (who was in charge of the investigation as assigned by Marilyn Mosby), to willfully and intentionally place a false story using Bledsoe’s lover, WBAL-TV reporter Jayne Miller, and thereby create a fictitious story to imply Donta Allen as the passenger outlined in the Washington Post story. Yes, you read that correctly." See the full story here... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The paddy wagon drives around until it's full, then it returns to book the riders. And the roads in Baltimore are shit. Kharn Oh, I only heard mention of the second passenger. Hopefully, we'll eventually find out what happened, but probably not. There is a controversy about this, involving reporter Jayne Miller and her lover, deputy State Attorney Janice Bledsoe... "On April 29th the Washington Post ran an explosive article highlighting information from a passenger who was inside the transport vehicle at the same time Freddie Gray was driven toward central booking. According to the Washington Post source: Freddie Gray was intentionally “trying to injure himself“. On April 30th local Baltimore media outlet WBAL-TV introduced Donta Allen, a person they claimed was the passenger in the transport vehicle. However, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. Our research indicates the office of Baltimore State Attorney, Marilyn Mosby, used or allowed one of her deputy State Attorneys, Janice Bledsoe (who was in charge of the investigation as assigned by Marilyn Mosby), to willfully and intentionally place a false story using Bledsoe’s lover, WBAL-TV reporter Jayne Miller, and thereby create a fictitious story to imply Donta Allen as the passenger outlined in the Washington Post story. Yes, you read that correctly." See the full story here... All of that says that the person claiming to be the guy in the van was never in it at the same time as Gray, if at all. It is still my understanding that there was only ever two suspects in the van... Gray, and the guy that was picked up later. In my mind, the fact that the stopped to shackle his legs means one of two things... either he was acting up in the van, or they wanted him to "enjoy the ride". |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 3:14:49 PM EDT
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1 There are a couple of senerios much more likely than that. At one time, it was reported the there was a witness in the van that said that he was slamming around trying to hurt himself. MOST likely is that the cops gave him a bounce ride for making them run and then fighting. And yet the guy on the otherside of the van doesn't have a scratch/bruise on him
2 True, but look at the route. Gray was in the van by himself, and was driven away from the station. For whatever reason, the driver then felt the need to have him checked on. He was then driven all the way back to almost where he was arrested to pick up the second passenger. I should not have said that the bounce ride was the most likely. It's no more likely than his injuries having been self inflicted. Either scenario is far more likely than breaking his neck in a heroin induced seizure. With some research you will see it was the other prisoner in the back of the van that reported that Gray was banging himself around in the back of the van and that the driver did not give a bounce ride. The other prisoner then recanted that statement after getting death threats. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 4:01:16 PM EDT
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With some research you will see it was the other prisoner in the back of the van that reported that Gray was banging himself around in the back of the van and that the driver did not give a bounce ride. The other prisoner then recanted that statement after getting death threats. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1 There are a couple of senerios much more likely than that. At one time, it was reported the there was a witness in the van that said that he was slamming around trying to hurt himself. MOST likely is that the cops gave him a bounce ride for making them run and then fighting. And yet the guy on the otherside of the van doesn't have a scratch/bruise on him
2 True, but look at the route. Gray was in the van by himself, and was driven away from the station. For whatever reason, the driver then felt the need to have him checked on. He was then driven all the way back to almost where he was arrested to pick up the second passenger. I should not have said that the bounce ride was the most likely. It's no more likely than his injuries having been self inflicted. Either scenario is far more likely than breaking his neck in a heroin induced seizure. With some research you will see it was the other prisoner in the back of the van that reported that Gray was banging himself around in the back of the van and that the driver did not give a bounce ride. The other prisoner then recanted that statement after getting death threats. Well, we'll all find out together. Or not. It should be a hell of a circus. The way I see it, either way, the cops are on the hook for not belting him in. That's going to end up being manslaughter. Just my uninformed opinion. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 4:40:23 PM EDT
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This whole mess will be proven false in a real court of law. Mosby is making it up as she goes along
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Posted: 6/14/2015 4:47:02 PM EDT
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This whole mess will be proven false in a real court of law. Mosby is making it up as she goes along I'm afraid not. Not all of it. A man died, and they violated policy by not strapping him in. Had they done so, he probably wouldn't have died. There will be no escaping that. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 4:50:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm afraid not. Not all of it. A man died, and they violated policy by not strapping him in. Had they done so, he probably wouldn't have died. There will be no escaping that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This whole mess will be proven false in a real court of law. Mosby is making it up as she goes along I'm afraid not. Not all of it. A man died, and they violated policy by not strapping him in. Had they done so, he probably wouldn't have died. There will be no escaping that. Do you have access to info we don't? |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 4:55:33 PM EDT
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This whole mess will be proven false in a real court of law. Mosby is making it up as she goes along I'm afraid not. Not all of it. A man died, and they violated policy by not strapping him in. Had they done so, he probably wouldn't have died. There will be no escaping that. Do you have access to info we don't? It is common knowledge that he was not strapped in, and that it was a violation of policy. I believe that the cop union attorney confirmed it. The cops are responsible for the well-being of their prisoner. They f'ed up. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 4:57:03 PM EDT
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I'm afraid not. Not all of it. A man died, and they violated policy by not strapping him in. Had they done so, he probably wouldn't have died. There will be no escaping that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This whole mess will be proven false in a real court of law. Mosby is making it up as she goes along I'm afraid not. Not all of it. A man died, and they violated policy by not strapping him in. Had they done so, he probably wouldn't have died. There will be no escaping that. Maybe but a policy violation is not criminal it's administrative. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is common knowledge that he was not strapped in, and that it was a violation of policy. I believe that the cop union attorney confirmed it. The cops are responsible for the well-being of their prisoner. They f'ed up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This whole mess will be proven false in a real court of law. Mosby is making it up as she goes along I'm afraid not. Not all of it. A man died, and they violated policy by not strapping him in. Had they done so, he probably wouldn't have died. There will be no escaping that. Do you have access to info we don't? It is common knowledge that he was not strapped in, and that it was a violation of policy. I believe that the cop union attorney confirmed it. The cops are responsible for the well-being of their prisoner. They f'ed up. It is common knowledge that he was resisting in such a way that it was too dangerous for the officers to strap him in. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:04:30 PM EDT
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This whole mess will be proven false in a real court of law. Mosby is making it up as she goes along I'm afraid not. Not all of it. A man died, and they violated policy by not strapping him in. Had they done so, he probably wouldn't have died. There will be no escaping that. Maybe but a policy violation is not criminal it's administrative. If it can be shown that he would not have sustained the fatal injury had he been strapped in, that would be manslaughter. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:10:51 PM EDT
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It is common knowledge that he was resisting in such a way that it was too dangerous for the officers to strap him in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This whole mess will be proven false in a real court of law. Mosby is making it up as she goes along I'm afraid not. Not all of it. A man died, and they violated policy by not strapping him in. Had they done so, he probably wouldn't have died. There will be no escaping that. Do you have access to info we don't? It is common knowledge that he was not strapped in, and that it was a violation of policy. I believe that the cop union attorney confirmed it. The cops are responsible for the well-being of their prisoner. They f'ed up. It is common knowledge that he was resisting in such a way that it was too dangerous for the officers to strap him in. Really? He was cuffed. They took him out of the van, shackled his feet, and put him back in. They couldn't put a seat belt on him? If policy says he has to be belted to be transported, and they couldn't belt him, they shouldn't have transported him. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:17:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? He was cuffed. They took him out of the van, shackled his feet, and put him back in. They couldn't put a seat belt on him? If policy says he has to be belted to be transported, and they couldn't belt him, they shouldn't have transported him. They were under orders to crack down on that area. If anyone is at fault it is the GOV. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:33:00 PM EDT
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They were under orders to crack down on that area. If anyone is at fault it is the GOV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Really? He was cuffed. They took him out of the van, shackled his feet, and put him back in. They couldn't put a seat belt on him? If policy says he has to be belted to be transported, and they couldn't belt him, they shouldn't have transported him. They were under orders to crack down on that area. If anyone is at fault it is the GOV. How does that excuse them from strapping their prisoner into the van? It does not. Nothing does. The policy is there specifically to prevent exactly this from happening. They did not follow policy, and it happened. Somebody is going to pay for it. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:34:18 PM EDT
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im under the assumption that the "policy" aabou seatbelts was only a few weeks old, and that most of the prisoner transport vans in the city didnt have seatbelts anyways.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:35:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does that excuse them from strapping their prisoner into the van? It does not. Nothing does. The policy is there specifically to prevent exactly this from happening. They did not follow policy, and it happened. Somebody is going to pay for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Really? He was cuffed. They took him out of the van, shackled his feet, and put him back in. They couldn't put a seat belt on him? If policy says he has to be belted to be transported, and they couldn't belt him, they shouldn't have transported him. They were under orders to crack down on that area. If anyone is at fault it is the GOV. How does that excuse them from strapping their prisoner into the van? It does not. Nothing does. The policy is there specifically to prevent exactly this from happening. They did not follow policy, and it happened. Somebody is going to pay for it. It does not mean that there was any intention to harm him either. You have 0 proof that is what happened and are spewing the liberal talking points that have no merit. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:39:10 PM EDT
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im under the assumption that the "policy" aabou seatbelts was only a few weeks old, and that most of the prisoner transport vans in the city didnt have seatbelts anyways. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile If that is the case, it could certainly make a difference. That's the first I've heard it. As I said, this is my uninformed opinion. Still, even if it was a new thing, if the van had belts, they will have a hard time getting out from under it. Any jury is going to want to come back with something. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 5:40:24 PM EDT
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It does not mean that there was any intention to harm him either. You have 0 proof that is what happened and are spewing the liberal talking points that have no merit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How does that excuse them from strapping their prisoner into the van? It does not. Nothing does. The policy is there specifically to prevent exactly this from happening. They did not follow policy, and it happened. Somebody is going to pay for it. It does not mean that there was any intention to harm him either. You have 0 proof that is what happened and are spewing the liberal talking points that have no merit. You have no idea what manslaughter is, do you? ETA: I looked it up for you... Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes known as “criminally negligent homicide” is an accidental killing caused by a person’s criminally liable recklessness or criminal negligence. In Maryland, although there is a manslaughter statute, manslaughter itself isn’t defined in the statute. Manslaughter is a common law (created by cases) crime in Maryland and can be either voluntary or involuntary, depending on the intent. Generally, under the common law in Maryland, involuntary manslaughter is the killing of another unintentionally while doing an unlawful act (not a felony), a negligent act, or by negligently failing to perform a legal duty. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 6:40:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have no idea what manslaughter is, do you? ETA: I looked it up for you... Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes known as "criminally negligent homicide” is an accidental killing caused by a person’s criminally liable recklessness or criminal negligence. In Maryland, although there is a manslaughter statute, manslaughter itself isn’t defined in the statute. Manslaughter is a common law (created by cases) crime in Maryland and can be either voluntary or involuntary, depending on the intent. Generally, under the common law in Maryland, involuntary manslaughter is the killing of another unintentionally while doing an unlawful act (not a felony), a negligent act, or by negligently failing to perform a legal duty. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How does that excuse them from strapping their prisoner into the van? It does not. Nothing does. The policy is there specifically to prevent exactly this from happening. They did not follow policy, and it happened. Somebody is going to pay for it. It does not mean that there was any intention to harm him either. You have 0 proof that is what happened and are spewing the liberal talking points that have no merit. You have no idea what manslaughter is, do you? ETA: I looked it up for you... Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes known as "criminally negligent homicide” is an accidental killing caused by a person’s criminally liable recklessness or criminal negligence. In Maryland, although there is a manslaughter statute, manslaughter itself isn’t defined in the statute. Manslaughter is a common law (created by cases) crime in Maryland and can be either voluntary or involuntary, depending on the intent. Generally, under the common law in Maryland, involuntary manslaughter is the killing of another unintentionally while doing an unlawful act (not a felony), a negligent act, or by negligently failing to perform a legal duty. You have no idea what happened in the back of the truck. You are spewing bull shit. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 7:03:21 PM EDT
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You have no idea what happened in the back of the truck. You are spewing bull shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You have no idea what manslaughter is, do you? ETA: I looked it up for you... Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes known as "criminally negligent homicide” is an accidental killing caused by a person’s criminally liable recklessness or criminal negligence. In Maryland, although there is a manslaughter statute, manslaughter itself isn’t defined in the statute. Manslaughter is a common law (created by cases) crime in Maryland and can be either voluntary or involuntary, depending on the intent. Generally, under the common law in Maryland, involuntary manslaughter is the killing of another unintentionally while doing an unlawful act (not a felony), a negligent act, or by negligently failing to perform a legal duty. You have no idea what happened in the back of the truck. You are spewing bull shit. No, I don't know what happened. But I've spewed nothing. This is what I said... "The way I see it, either way, the cops are on the hook for not belting him in. That's going to end up being manslaughter. Just my uninformed opinion. " You spewed a bunch of bullshit in response... BS1: "It is common knowledge that he was resisting in such a way that it was too dangerous for the officers to strap him in." BS2: "They were under orders to crack down on that area. If anyone is at fault it is the GOV. " BS3: "It does not mean that there was any intention to harm him either. You have 0 proof that is what happened and are spewing the liberal talking points that have no merit." Facts as we know them that are not in dispute: A man died from a broken neck, suffered in the back of the van. Police policy required him to be strapped in. The police violated that policy. "Generally, under the common law in Maryland, involuntary manslaughter is the killing of another unintentionally while doing an unlawful act (not a felony), a negligent act, or by negligently failing to perform a legal duty. My UNINFORMED OPINION is that one or more cop will be convicted of at least Involuntary Manslaughter, based on this information. Please show me the spewed bullshit in my posts. 
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Posted: 6/14/2015 7:10:10 PM EDT
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So you have a BPD van driving down 34 blocks like one of the Key Stone Cops was at the wheel. Yet we have not heard from one witness coming forward saying they saw such a sight.
A van driven so wildly that it snapped a man's neck, yet not one person noticed it? No one got video of it careening from lane to lane? Is it possible? Yes. I think the SA what's a gag order on things because the case isn't going the way she thought it would. And with the memo that has leaked about her sending the Police in the 'high crime/drug area' and to make arrest, I think she's done for. Ed |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 7:11:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I don't know what happened. But I've spewed nothing. This is what I said... "The way I see it, either way, the cops are on the hook for not belting him in. That's going to end up being manslaughter. Just my uninformed opinion. " You spewed a bunch of bullshit in response... BS1: "It is common knowledge that he was resisting in such a way that it was too dangerous for the officers to strap him in." BS2: "They were under orders to crack down on that area. If anyone is at fault it is the GOV. " BS3: "It does not mean that there was any intention to harm him either. You have 0 proof that is what happened and are spewing the liberal talking points that have no merit." Every bit of that is true. Facts as we know them that are not in dispute: A man died from a broken neck, suffered in the back of the van. Police policy required him to be strapped in. The police violated that policy. "Generally, under the common law in Maryland, involuntary manslaughter is the killing of another unintentionally while doing an unlawful act (not a felony), a negligent act, or by negligently failing to perform a legal duty. My UNINFORMED OPINION is that one or more cop will be convicted of at least Involuntary Manslaughter, based on this information. Please show me the spewed bullshit in my posts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You have no idea what manslaughter is, do you? ETA: I looked it up for you... Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes known as "criminally negligent homicide” is an accidental killing caused by a person’s criminally liable recklessness or criminal negligence. In Maryland, although there is a manslaughter statute, manslaughter itself isn’t defined in the statute. Manslaughter is a common law (created by cases) crime in Maryland and can be either voluntary or involuntary, depending on the intent. Generally, under the common law in Maryland, involuntary manslaughter is the killing of another unintentionally while doing an unlawful act (not a felony), a negligent act, or by negligently failing to perform a legal duty. You have no idea what happened in the back of the truck. You are spewing bull shit. No, I don't know what happened. But I've spewed nothing. This is what I said... "The way I see it, either way, the cops are on the hook for not belting him in. That's going to end up being manslaughter. Just my uninformed opinion. " You spewed a bunch of bullshit in response... BS1: "It is common knowledge that he was resisting in such a way that it was too dangerous for the officers to strap him in." BS2: "They were under orders to crack down on that area. If anyone is at fault it is the GOV. " BS3: "It does not mean that there was any intention to harm him either. You have 0 proof that is what happened and are spewing the liberal talking points that have no merit." Every bit of that is true. Facts as we know them that are not in dispute: A man died from a broken neck, suffered in the back of the van. Police policy required him to be strapped in. The police violated that policy. "Generally, under the common law in Maryland, involuntary manslaughter is the killing of another unintentionally while doing an unlawful act (not a felony), a negligent act, or by negligently failing to perform a legal duty. My UNINFORMED OPINION is that one or more cop will be convicted of at least Involuntary Manslaughter, based on this information. Please show me the spewed bullshit in my posts. You cannot prove there was negligence, or that they negligently failed to perform a legal duty. You do not know what happened in that truck. You do not know how many times they did the same thing and the results of the same. Now you are claiming in YOUR OPINION that a LEO will be convicted and earlier you spewed bs that it is fact. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 7:18:08 PM EDT
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So you have a BPD van driving down 34 blocks like one of the Key Stone Cops was at the wheel. Yet we have not heard from one witness coming forward saying they saw such a sight. A van driven so wildly that it snapped a man's neck, yet not one person noticed it? No one got video of it careening from lane to lane? Is it possible? Yes. I think the SA what's a gag order on things because the case isn't going the way she thought it would. And with the memo that has leaked about her sending the Police in the 'high crime/drug area' and to make arrest, I think she's done for. Ed I have no idea what caused his injury. When I said "either way", I meant whether they bounced him, or he did it himself. I would think that the cops are responsible to some degree to prevent him harming himself. If not belting him in allowed that to happen, I believe a jury will convict someone. |
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Posted: 6/14/2015 7:41:52 PM EDT
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You cannot prove there was negligence, or that they negligently failed to perform a legal duty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You cannot prove there was negligence, or that they negligently failed to perform a legal duty. I don't have to. Their lawyer already admitted to it. You do not know what happened in that truck. You do not know how many times they did the same thing and the results of the same. Completely irrelevant. Repeatedly violating a policy does not make you exempt from it. Now you are claiming in YOUR OPINION that a LEO will be convicted and earlier you spewed bs that it is fact. Bull shit. The post of mine that I quoted, stating that it was my opinion was the fist post I made on the subject. It was the very first thing that I said. Please show me where I stated it as fact that they would be convicted. This is a discussion forum. I stated my opinion for discussion. If you disagree, that's fine. Just quit with the boot licking.
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Posted: 6/14/2015 7:49:39 PM EDT
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im under the assumption that the "policy" aabou seatbelts was only a few weeks old, and that most of the prisoner transport vans in the city didnt have seatbelts anyways. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Bazinga! |
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