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Posted: 4/1/2015 5:13:55 PM EDT
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Everyone who dies while encountering police seem to have one of two things in common. Fleeing or fighting. Instinctual response when facing predators. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 5:19:27 PM EDT
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Had to be an accelerant of some kind in that cab. Gas fumes, something... THIS. That car exploded into flames. No way that should happen without an explosive atmosphere. Wonder did the guy have meth making chemicals with him that spilled during the chase? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 5:40:18 PM EDT
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Did that guy survive? I don't remember, if anyone ever said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Did that guy survive? I don't remember, if anyone ever said. 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 5:41:53 PM EDT
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Heck I knew a guy who was involved in one of the first death by taser fire incidents, his department learned a hard lesson about flammable pepper spray.  Wow  .
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Posted: 4/1/2015 5:43:07 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s326.photobucket.com/user/phb1gt/media/deforest-kelley-bones-star-trek_zps9362697c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k407/phb1gt/deforest-kelley-bones-star-trek_zps9362697c.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did that guy survive? I don't remember, if anyone ever said. <a href="http://s326.photobucket.com/user/phb1gt/media/deforest-kelley-bones-star-trek_zps9362697c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k407/phb1gt/deforest-kelley-bones-star-trek_zps9362697c.jpg</a> 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 5:45:15 PM EDT
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My biggest problem with this is that according to the info this took place in 2012 and was recorded over.
Then is was recovered after much effort after that (luckily). Now why after a death on video of someone in police custody would someone record over and not save that video as evidence...unless they were trying to destroy evidence, which is a crime. So at this point the only crime that happened for sure is the destruction of evidence and evidence tampering. Something someone should be going to jail for without even looking any further in to the merits of this case. With almost all cases being video taped now as the norm I think its time for mandatory jail sentences for those convicted of video evidence tapering, being that it can cut either way...used to convict or be evidence destroyed. SOP should be tapes get locked down from high crimes and if "accidentally" taped over the mandatory sentence kicks in for those involved. Sort of like the drunk SS agents that crashed into the WH gate a couple of weeks ago, then the vid was recorded over as if no one thought that it might be of importance...BS, they knew exactly what they did. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 6:02:10 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s326.photobucket.com/user/phb1gt/media/deforest-kelley-bones-star-trek_zps9362697c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k407/phb1gt/deforest-kelley-bones-star-trek_zps9362697c.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did that guy survive? I don't remember, if anyone ever said. <a href="http://s326.photobucket.com/user/phb1gt/media/deforest-kelley-bones-star-trek_zps9362697c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k407/phb1gt/deforest-kelley-bones-star-trek_zps9362697c.jpg</a> I see ... thank you. 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 9:31:20 PM EDT
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Eh...stupid games/prizes and all that.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:10:59 PM EDT
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My biggest problem with this is that according to the info this took place in 2012 and was recorded over. Then is was recovered after much effort after that (luckily). Now why after a death on video of someone in police custody would someone record over and not save that video as evidence...unless they were trying to destroy evidence, which is a crime. So at this point the only crime that happened for sure is the destruction of evidence and evidence tampering. Something someone should be going to jail for without even looking any further in to the merits of this case. With almost all cases being video taped now as the norm I think its time for mandatory jail sentences for those convicted of video evidence tapering, being that it can cut either way...used to convict or be evidence destroyed. SOP should be tapes get locked down from high crimes and if "accidentally" taped over the mandatory sentence kicks in for those involved. Sort of like the drunk SS agents that crashed into the WH gate a couple of weeks ago, then the vid was recorded over as if no one thought that it might be of importance...BS, they knew exactly what they did. Nothing in the article says what you are asserting> BP said the video was recorded over, FBI found the video. That's it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:40:06 PM EDT
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Then attempted to erase the tapes by recording over them. The fact that the FBI forensics examiners are involved tells you most of what you need to know. Nu uh bro. Man in the arena. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:41:59 PM EDT
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Everyone who dies while encountering police seem to have one of two things in common. Fleeing or fighting. The police ran away. Innocent parties don't usually do that. 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:43:42 PM EDT
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So's the driver. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isolated incident. http://25.media.tumblr.com/3b97dc17070b2c8cbccb41cfa60f4e40/tumblr_mhi3ys8sOe1ql5yr7o2_250.gif So's the driver.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:48:05 PM EDT
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The police ran away. Innocent parties don't usually do that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone who dies while encountering police seem to have one of two things in common. Fleeing or fighting. The police ran away. Innocent parties don't usually do that. Nor do any responsible human beings. But, of course, we're talking cops here. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:52:10 PM EDT
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Nor do any responsible human beings. But, of course, we're talking cops here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone who dies while encountering police seem to have one of two things in common. Fleeing or fighting. The police ran away. Innocent parties don't usually do that. Nor do any responsible human beings. But, of course, we're talking cops here. To be fair, they ain't the FD. Don't want to be caught stealing work from the IAFF. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:59:11 PM EDT
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The needle on my "Give-A-Shitter" didn't even flicker. Thought it was just mine that was malfunctioning. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 12:03:50 AM EDT
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Driving the wrong way on the interstate.
With an open gas can in the vehicle. Won't comply after being spike stripped, after an extensive pursuit. Seems reasonable. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 12:07:59 AM EDT
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Bitch was riding dirty in a Constitution free zone. There ain't no rights in the Constitution free zone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since the Border Patrol was involved, I'm sure this had something to do with crossing the border, right?  Bitch was riding dirty in a Constitution free zone. There ain't no rights in the Constitution free zone. I'm sure hauling ass against the flow of traffic on the interstate had nothing to do with the stop. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 12:36:14 AM EDT
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Explosion blew open the rear door of the car, that would make most people back away including fire fighters.
The last time I ran from the cops I dumped gas all over the inside of my car. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 12:43:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had to be an accelerant of some kind in that cab. Gas fumes, something... |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 12:44:45 AM EDT
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Shocking...taser...in thread title!
ha ha!
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Posted: 4/2/2015 12:50:15 AM EDT
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Everyone who dies while encountering police seem to have one of two things in common. Fleeing or fighting. You forgot "being near anyone else appearing to do either or both of those".
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Posted: 4/2/2015 12:52:00 AM EDT
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Everyone who dies while encountering police seem to have one of two things in common. Fleeing or fighting. LOL. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 1:03:29 AM EDT
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Did you at least listen to the video? He was "hauling ass"--the wrong way down a four lane.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone who dies while encountering police seem to have one of two things in common. Fleeing or fighting. usually i'm with you, but late at night, no lights/sirens, cars trying to pull me over....fuck that i'm hauling ass Did you at least listen to the video? He was "hauling ass"--the wrong way down a four lane. Did he hit anyone? No? VICTIMLESS CRIME!
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Posted: 4/2/2015 1:04:20 AM EDT
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He said the agents were
in unmarked cars, that Martin had no idea they were Border Control and that they failed to identify themselves, and that Martin was frightened. I see blue and red lights flashing, that with stop strips should have been a clue |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 1:04:49 AM EDT
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They really did deploy a burner.......
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Posted: 4/2/2015 1:06:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He said the agents were in unmarked cars, that Martin had no idea they were Border Control and that they failed to identify themselves, and that Martin was frightened. I see blue and red lights flashing, that with stop strips should have been a clue |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 1:19:45 AM EDT
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I can understand why the FBI is on to this.
Is anyone else excited Skully and Mulder are back??
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Posted: 4/2/2015 1:23:41 AM EDT
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Border Patrol has dash cams?
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Posted: 4/2/2015 1:24:09 AM EDT
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Cop1: LOLS I saran wrapped all the shitters in the locker room! April Fools Day is the best!
Cop2: I replaced Rusty's Taser cartridge with some Willy Pete I got at the gun show! *14 hours later* Cop 3: OUTA THE CAR MOTHER FU------- Cop2: APRIL FOO----------- 
Cop2: -------OOOUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!! |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 2:27:55 AM EDT
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Border Patrol said the video had been recorded over and was gone, however the FBI's forensic division were able to track it down. 
Gabriel Pacheco, a lead Border Patrol union representative, said that the proper protocols were followed in the chase and stopping Martin's vehicle.
He said the fire posed a high risk to the agents, and that Martin's death could have been avoided if he had just pulled over. 
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Posted: 4/2/2015 2:41:14 AM EDT
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My biggest problem with this is that according to the info this took place in 2012 and was recorded over. Then is was recovered after much effort after that (luckily). Now why after a death on video of someone in police custody would someone record over and not save that video as evidence...unless they were trying to destroy evidence, which is a crime. So at this point the only crime that happened for sure is the destruction of evidence and evidence tampering. Something someone should be going to jail for without even looking any further in to the merits of this case. With almost all cases being video taped now as the norm I think its time for mandatory jail sentences for those convicted of video evidence tapering, being that it can cut either way...used to convict or be evidence destroyed. SOP should be tapes get locked down from high crimes and if "accidentally" taped over the mandatory sentence kicks in for those involved. Sort of like the drunk SS agents that crashed into the WH gate a couple of weeks ago, then the vid was recorded over as if no one thought that it might be of importance...BS, they knew exactly what they did. Nothing in the article says what you are asserting> BP said the video was recorded over, FBI found the video. That's it. Huh? Forensic division doesn't usually get involved unless they have to do data recovery. Y'know, like from a storage device where someone attempted to erase the file or record over it. Border Patrol said the video had been recorded over and was gone, however the FBI's forensic division were able to track it down. Here's a quote from another article about the incident. Iredale told NBC 7 that Border Patrol initially said the video was gone, recorded over by other footage. However, the FBI's forensic division used its technology to pull out the video from that March day. What do you think they're pulling that video out from? Their ass? Interestingly enough, here's another quote from that NBC San Diego article: However, Iredale claims the Border Patrol agents were not following their own protocol by failing to identify themselves. He pointed out a moment in the video, several minutes after the explosion, where one of the agents walks to the side of the road and appears to reach something.
When he is shown on camera again, he is wearing what appears to be a badge -- something he was not wearing before when they pulled over Martin. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 2:54:17 AM EDT
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Nothing in the article says what you are asserting> BP said the video was recorded over, FBI found the video. That's it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My biggest problem with this is that according to the info this took place in 2012 and was recorded over. Then is was recovered after much effort after that (luckily). Now why after a death on video of someone in police custody would someone record over and not save that video as evidence...unless they were trying to destroy evidence, which is a crime. So at this point the only crime that happened for sure is the destruction of evidence and evidence tampering. Something someone should be going to jail for without even looking any further in to the merits of this case. With almost all cases being video taped now as the norm I think its time for mandatory jail sentences for those convicted of video evidence tapering, being that it can cut either way...used to convict or be evidence destroyed. SOP should be tapes get locked down from high crimes and if "accidentally" taped over the mandatory sentence kicks in for those involved. Sort of like the drunk SS agents that crashed into the WH gate a couple of weeks ago, then the vid was recorded over as if no one thought that it might be of importance...BS, they knew exactly what they did. Nothing in the article says what you are asserting> BP said the video was recorded over, FBI found the video. That's it. I'm sure it was an honest mistake and no one realized video of a chase ending with the suspect burning to death just might be evidence. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 3:08:07 AM EDT
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Interestingly enough, here's another quote from that NBC San Diego article: Quote HistoryQuoted:
Interestingly enough, here's another quote from that NBC San Diego article: However, Iredale claims the Border Patrol agents were not following their own protocol by failing to identify themselves. He pointed out a moment in the video, several minutes after the explosion, where one of the agents walks to the side of the road and appears to reach something.
When he is shown on camera again, he is wearing what appears to be a badge -- something he was not wearing before when they pulled over Martin. 
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Posted: 4/2/2015 3:17:36 AM EDT
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dude, it's illegal for BP to stop illegal imm....errrr....undocumented voters....errrr...undocumented Americans, what the hell else does the BP have to do?! Dude probably hadn't tased anyone in a month.
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Posted: 4/2/2015 4:42:58 AM EDT
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Were the brake lights flicking on/off or am I seeing stuff? Gonna take a guess and say if you were seated in a car and suddenly went up in flames, you wouldn't be sitting still with your hands on the wheel at 9 and 3 o'clock waiting patiently for the agents to at least put out the flames.
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Posted: 4/2/2015 5:22:33 AM EDT
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The whole situation sucks.
It appears to be a fuck up, then a cover up. 
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Posted: 4/2/2015 5:31:36 AM EDT
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Border Patrol said the video had been recorded over and was gone, however the FBI's forensic division were able to track it down. http://i.imgur.com/fSBtASk.jpg Gabriel Pacheco, a lead Border Patrol union representative, said that the proper protocols were followed in the chase and stopping Martin's vehicle.
He said the fire posed a high risk to the agents, and that Martin's death could have been avoided if he had just pulled over. Wasn't he a live until he pulled over... 
had to be something explosive in the car..surprised the officer didn't smell it..not much he could do about it if he didn't smell it....courious why they left though, and why record over it.... |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 6:28:08 AM EDT
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Cop1: LOLS I saran wrapped all the shitters in the locker room! April Fools Day is the best! Cop2: I replaced Rusty's Taser cartridge with some Willy Pete I got at the gun show! *14 hours later* Cop 3: OUTA THE CAR MOTHER FU------- Cop2: APRIL FOO----------- http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/31/23/272D227D00000578-0-image-a-17_1427841976398.jpg Cop2: -------OOOUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!
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Posted: 4/2/2015 9:19:28 AM EDT
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Dude previously took part in a high speed chase after a DUI hit and run? Oh, so this is just karma entering the scene... I see. Cops shoulda grabbed their hotdogs and marshmallows and basked in the warmth of shitheads firey demise. Fuck'im.
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Posted: 4/2/2015 6:42:35 PM EDT
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The whole situation sucks. It appears to be a fuck up, then a cover up. I fail to see anything fucked up about the situation. I've made it through my life thus far without any negative police interactions. I'm sure this guys was a real winner to get to that point. My "Give a Fuck-o-meter" is bottomed out. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 6:51:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2015 7:30:01 PM EDT
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With a quick flash and ensuing fire, would you not be worried about unknown volatile chemicals being present and potentially a much bigger blast? I agree with calling the FD, but am not sold on fighting that with a handheld Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should have grabbed their fire extinguishers (if nothing else, it shows some effort to save the driver). They should have called 9-11 for a fire department and EMTs. This shows they attempted to get assistance. With a quick flash and ensuing fire, would you not be worried about unknown volatile chemicals being present and potentially a much bigger blast? I agree with calling the FD, but am not sold on fighting that with a handheld If I pulled the trigger on the device that started that sumbitch, you better bet your ass that I'm going to try and put it out and help the guy. But when you beat into a group of people's head every day that "every citizen you contact could be a hardened criminal intent on ending your life and ensuring you never get home to your family", don't be surprised when they treat the citizens like they are all scum! |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 9:05:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHmmmmmmm . . . you posted that two hours ago and not one member has called for you to be hanged, banned, or hamstrung. Imagine that!
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Posted: 4/2/2015 9:16:51 PM EDT
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Hmmmmmmm . . . you posted that two hours ago and not one member has called for you to be hanged, banned, or hamstrung. Imagine that! Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hmmmmmmm . . . you posted that two hours ago and not one member has called for you to be hanged, banned, or hamstrung. Imagine that! I dont get it. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 9:20:49 PM EDT
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Instinctual response when facing predators. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone who dies while encountering police seem to have one of two things in common. Fleeing or fighting. Instinctual response when facing predators. Your name is fitting....
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Posted: 4/2/2015 9:23:28 PM EDT
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Hmmmmmmm . . . you posted that two hours ago and not one member has called for you to be hanged, banned, or hamstrung. Imagine that! I dont get it. Start reading at this post and you will get it. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 9:25:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/2/2015 9:26:26 PM EDT
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Hmmmmmmm . . . you posted that two hours ago and not one member has called for you to be hanged, banned, or hamstrung. Imagine that! I dont get it. Start reading at this post and you will get it. I get it now. Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 9:29:35 PM EDT
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Dude previously took part in a high speed chase after a DUI hit and run? Oh, so this is just karma entering the scene... I see. Cops shoulda grabbed their hotdogs and marshmallows and basked in the warmth of shitheads firey demise. Fuck'im. Instead they fled the scene. Nice. |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 9:33:07 PM EDT
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Instead they fled the scene. Nice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dude previously took part in a high speed chase after a DUI hit and run? Oh, so this is just karma entering the scene... I see. Cops shoulda grabbed their hotdogs and marshmallows and basked in the warmth of shitheads firey demise. Fuck'im. Instead they fled the scene. Nice. They had no idea what would happen next. A few more gallons of gas exploding could have killed them all. they had no legal obligation to try to put out the fire. to do so might have put them in danger of a secondary explosion. they had no way of knowing what was in the car or when it would explode. |
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