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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:51:53 AM EDT
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No I mean something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M That is a liberty safe btw that got they pried open in less than two minutes. In addition, did you notice in your video that there were no guns in the safe primarily paper? Paper doesn't rust, metal subjected to high temps would rust and had their been plastic parts (ar15) on a gun they would have been melted off. Btw, there is another video out there of a liberty safe being opened up like a tin can using nothing more than a splitting maul. You want to trust your valuables to a liberty knock your self out. https://i.imgflip.com/jlf4b.jpg Nobody puts baby in a corner |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:55:24 AM EDT
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No I mean something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M That is a liberty safe btw that got they pried open in less than two minutes. In addition, did you notice in your video that there were no guns in the safe primarily paper? Paper doesn't rust, metal subjected to high temps would rust and had their been plastic parts (ar15) on a gun they would have been melted off. Btw, there is another video out there of a liberty safe being opened up like a tin can using nothing more than a splitting maul. You want to trust your valuables to a liberty knock your self out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am sorry but liberty safes are junk. That safe while charred, I doubt was subjected to high temperatures for any significant amount of time. I would like to see a broader shot of the safe. I am betting seeing that broader shot would show the fire was not as bad as it would appear by zooming in on the safe. You mean like this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZikSlwWm30#t=93No I mean something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M That is a liberty safe btw that got they pried open in less than two minutes. In addition, did you notice in your video that there were no guns in the safe primarily paper? Paper doesn't rust, metal subjected to high temps would rust and had their been plastic parts (ar15) on a gun they would have been melted off. Btw, there is another video out there of a liberty safe being opened up like a tin can using nothing more than a splitting maul. You want to trust your valuables to a liberty knock your self out. ok. No point even locking my liberty safe when I leave the house then. This will save me a few minutes of my time each day. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:07:11 AM EDT
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He was looking at his garage fire and drinking whiskey. When the RSC was opened, he started square dancing with his wife.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:19:38 AM EDT
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Anyone have the link to the ARFCOM safe thread?
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:24:16 AM EDT
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Just a dude whose done a ton of research and looked most brands of safes in person. Liberty safe are junk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No I mean something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M That is a liberty safe btw that got they pried open in less than two minutes. In addition, did you notice in your video that there were no guns in the safe primarily paper? Paper doesn't rust, metal subjected to high temps would rust and had their been plastic parts (ar15) on a gun they would have been melted off. Btw, there is another video out there of a liberty safe being opened up like a tin can using nothing more than a splitting maul. You want to trust your valuables to a liberty knock your self out. https://i.imgflip.com/jlf4b.jpg Just a dude whose done a ton of research and looked most brands of safes in person. Liberty safe are junk. What brand of safe do you own? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:31:58 AM EDT
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Anyone have the link to the ARFCOM safe thread? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_46/264352_The_official_gun_safe_picture_thread.html |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 2:49:10 AM EDT
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Too bad you can't open it up from the inside, that's a hell of a tornado shelter, if you could stand the pressure in there.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 9:09:34 AM EDT
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safe just buys you time.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 9:31:09 AM EDT
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Is a safe going to prevent your stuff from being stolen? No.
But IME a safe will stop 99.9999999999% of thieves. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 9:47:52 AM EDT
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No I mean something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M That is a liberty safe btw that got they pried open in less than two minutes. In addition, did you notice in your video that there were no guns in the safe primarily paper? Paper doesn't rust, metal subjected to high temps would rust and had their been plastic parts (ar15) on a gun they would have been melted off. Btw, there is another video out there of a liberty safe being opened up like a tin can using nothing more than a splitting maul. You want to trust your valuables to a liberty knock your self out. https://i.imgflip.com/jlf4b.jpg THIS, it makes a BIG difference if they can get the safe on it's side trying to break into it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:18:05 AM EDT
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That'll buff out. Just repaint it and sell it on the EE.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:25:52 AM EDT
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I am sorry but liberty safes are junk. That safe while charred, I doubt was subjected to high temperatures for any significant amount of time. I would like to see a broader shot of the safe. I am betting seeing that broader shot would show the fire was not as bad as it would appear by zooming in on the safe. this. safes turn into ovens with long high temp exposures. fire ratings are not heat proof. paint burns off them fairly quickly. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:27:15 AM EDT
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If you look closely, you will see a Liberty safe still standing tall and intact after the EF5 tornado in Moore OK. The dealer gave the owner a new safe and this one now sits on the dealer's floor as a tornado survivor. None of the contents of the safe were damaged in any way, the door was undamaged except for paint and easily opened normally. The house was totally destroyed. http://i.imgur.com/QLx69zj.png After some cleanup http://i.imgur.com/heVWtHr.jpg meh... if it was properly bolted to the foundation that is exactly what i would expect to happen. some people think a safe is a magical box |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:29:36 AM EDT
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my safe is to slow them down and make it inconvenient for the avg crackhead that breaks into homes. i have big dogs, an alarm system and cameras also. the real protection is having it insured for loss.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:30:03 AM EDT
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that'll buff right out
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:39:09 AM EDT
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I'm confused.
Those pictures appear to show a safe that was exposed to very severe conditions, and yet the contents were protected - there are even documents on the top shelf that survived unscathed. What am I missing? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:42:14 AM EDT
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my safe is to slow them down and make it inconvenient for the avg crackhead that breaks into homes. i have big dogs, an alarm system and cameras also. the real protection is having it insured for loss. A thief breaking into a standard gun safe more than likely knew the person had guns and gun safe not your random kick the door smash and grab. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:46:21 AM EDT
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I am a week or two away from buying a decent safe. Had plans to keep it upstairs in my house but not sure how I would "bolt it down" as I have carpets and plywood subfloor. Are MESA safes any good or are they considered junk on here too?
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:49:32 AM EDT
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If you look closely, you will see a Liberty safe still standing tall and intact after the EF5 tornado in Moore OK. The dealer gave the owner a new safe and this one now sits on the dealer's floor as a tornado survivor. None of the contents of the safe were damaged in any way, the door was undamaged except for paint and easily opened normally. The house was totally destroyed. http://i.imgur.com/QLx69zj.png After some cleanup http://i.imgur.com/heVWtHr.jpg Damn! I see what you mean, it totally didn't move... just some paint scratches is all......The corvette must be a great buy 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:50:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a Liberty, hope it's fire-proofness never gets tested like that. The dealer tried to sell me one with an even higher fire rating that would be great for an hour. I told him there was no such thing as an hour long mobile home fire.  Truth. More like seven minutes. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 10:54:52 AM EDT
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Agreed, but if all you are looking for is smash and grab protection, you can buy that for a lot less than $1,000. Now having said that, even a $10,000 safe can be broken into given enough time and the proper tools. The goal is to make it too time consuming and loud for someone to be able to break into it before they are discovered. That is where some sort of alarm system would help reduce the time available. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just a dude whose done a ton of research and looked most brands of safes in person. Liberty safe are junk. Wasn't calling you the competitor marketing guy, but the guy in the youtube vidya. Is any $1000 safe as good as a $4000 safe? probably not. Would meth head cheese dicks be able to get in that liberty safe if it was bolted to the floor and placed in a corner where said meth head cheese dicks would be unable to get leverage with a prybar? Not unless they had better tools and a lot more time. Agreed, but if all you are looking for is smash and grab protection, you can buy that for a lot less than $1,000. Now having said that, even a $10,000 safe can be broken into given enough time and the proper tools. The goal is to make it too time consuming and loud for someone to be able to break into it before they are discovered. That is where some sort of alarm system would help reduce the time available. Liberty Safe with a web cam on the top. Someone shows up and the POlice get there before they get in. Hell for me I could be home from work before they break in. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:01:49 AM EDT
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I am really surprised that the safe in the video protected the contents the way it did.
Wildland (brush) fires are a different animal then your average house fire. A typical house fire gets put out, houses in brush fires tend to burn to the ground then the remnants smolder for hours/days. Think BBQing something for 15 minutes versus baking for hours at the same temp. I count on my safe to protect the contents from smash and grab burglars and typical house fires. A couple of well equipped burglars or a wild fire, not so much. If I ever have to evacuate due to brush fire, the safe will be empty when I leave. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:07:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No I mean something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M That is a liberty safe btw that got they pried open in less than two minutes. In addition, did you notice in your video that there were no guns in the safe primarily paper? Paper doesn't rust, metal subjected to high temps would rust and had their been plastic parts (ar15) on a gun they would have been melted off. Btw, there is another video out there of a liberty safe being opened up like a tin can using nothing more than a splitting maul. You want to trust your valuables to a liberty knock your self out. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:12:47 AM EDT
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Depends of the temperature of the fire, it's duration, and how much thermal insulation that particular RSC model has.
Given enough heat and duration the interior of that RSC would have been fried along with its contents. Not bashing Liberty; I have one, but the picture in the OP doesn't tell the whole story. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:26:27 AM EDT
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I am a week or two away from buying a decent safe. Had plans to keep it upstairs in my house but not sure how I would "bolt it down" as I have carpets and plywood subfloor. Are MESA safes any good or are they considered junk on here too? You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:41:15 AM EDT
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Back when I was in the market for a safe I pretty much studied everything on the topic. I worked at a place that sold Liberty safes and could get a nice discount. So after my research I end up going elsewhere and buying an AMSEC safe.
The kicker with Liberty is they seem to focus too much energy in their marketing BS. For example their 'hidden hinges'. Fact is the recessed caused by the hidden hinge reduces the fire rating due to the thin spot. Also you want to lure a thief to fruitlessly waste time attacking the hinges (hinges just swing the door, they aren't a security element). Another thing is the moving bolts on the hinge side. That needlessly creates a weak spot. They don't need to move on the hinge side, weld immovable lugs that can't be compromised. Those are my two biggest gripes with Liberty. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:51:30 AM EDT
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You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am a week or two away from buying a decent safe. Had plans to keep it upstairs in my house but not sure how I would "bolt it down" as I have carpets and plywood subfloor. Are MESA safes any good or are they considered junk on here too? You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. While I don't know anything about weight limits, can an upstairs handle a 800 lb ish safe? Just curious.. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:55:05 AM EDT
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You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am a week or two away from buying a decent safe. Had plans to keep it upstairs in my house but not sure how I would "bolt it down" as I have carpets and plywood subfloor. Are MESA safes any good or are they considered junk on here too? You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. Dont they then get flooded with water in a house fire? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:55:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While I don't know anything about weight limits, can an upstairs handle a 800 lb ish safe? Just curious.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am a week or two away from buying a decent safe. Had plans to keep it upstairs in my house but not sure how I would "bolt it down" as I have carpets and plywood subfloor. Are MESA safes any good or are they considered junk on here too? You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. While I don't know anything about weight limits, can an upstairs handle a 800 lb ish safe? Just curious.. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 11:57:51 AM EDT
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Dont they then get flooded with water in a house fire? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am a week or two away from buying a decent safe. Had plans to keep it upstairs in my house but not sure how I would "bolt it down" as I have carpets and plywood subfloor. Are MESA safes any good or are they considered junk on here too? You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. Dont they then get flooded with water in a house fire? It just depends. If they would get flooded they also would likely DROP to the basement anyway. Sometimes you can't win. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:03:09 PM EDT
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I have no dog in this hunt, but the picture of the safe in the OP's thread looks way too staged to me. Everything is too pristine and arranged just so.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:08:50 PM EDT
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Keep in mind Liberty has a very wide range of RSCs. Everything from branded Chinese box store specials to really nice high enders. So technically they have crap and quality stuff.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:15:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 fat people (or one Arfcom member) on a king sized waterbed weigh more than that albeit spread out more... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am a week or two away from buying a decent safe. Had plans to keep it upstairs in my house but not sure how I would "bolt it down" as I have carpets and plywood subfloor. Are MESA safes any good or are they considered junk on here too? You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. While I don't know anything about weight limits, can an upstairs handle a 800 lb ish safe? Just curious.. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:18:38 PM EDT
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Can someone point me towards this arf safe thread that has been referenced here? Is it tacked in one of the subforums?
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:20:16 PM EDT
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I am sorry but liberty safes are junk. That safe while charred, I doubt was subjected to high temperatures for any significant amount of time. I would like to see a broader shot of the safe. I am betting seeing that broader shot would show the fire was not as bad as it would appear by zooming in on the safe. 
All safe companies have multiple lines, from affordable to the average blue collar person to top of the line models. The TL safes you mentioned are made by various manufacturers. TL safes are designed as burglar safes for Jewelry stores. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:23:53 PM EDT
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I can personally attest that Liberty will stand behind their lifetime warranty. I lost a safe in September (Liberty Presidential). I bought it in 1996. The dealer I bought it from dug through the attic and found my original purchase order (Liberty Safe, Sacramento, CA) even though it had been almost 20 years. Liberty gave me absolutely no hassle. They sent me paperwork, I filled it out, they sent me a new safe to the closest dealer. I paid for shipping only. When I bought my Liberty, it was $3200. The new one was almost $6K, and Liberty also decked the new safe with lights, an outlet, dehumidifier, and door storage--all things my old safe did not have. When I called Liberty to make sure a mistake wasn't made, they said "When you bought your safe in 1996, you bought our top of the line. We replaced it with the same model, top of the line." Liberty is good in my book. How does one 'lose' a safe? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:24:24 PM EDT
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You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am a week or two away from buying a decent safe. Had plans to keep it upstairs in my house but not sure how I would "bolt it down" as I have carpets and plywood subfloor. Are MESA safes any good or are they considered junk on here too? You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. heat may rise but the hottest part of the fire is at the bottom. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:31:29 PM EDT
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I am a week or two away from buying a decent safe. Had plans to keep it upstairs in my house but not sure how I would "bolt it down" as I have carpets and plywood subfloor. Are MESA safes any good or are they considered junk on here too? You will have better fire protection if you put it on the lowest floor. Basements are best, as heat rises. heat may rise but the hottest part of the fire is at the bottom. I guess that's true--once you get that concrete floor a-burnin'. 
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:31:31 PM EDT
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I can personally attest that Liberty will stand behind their lifetime warranty. I lost a safe in September (Liberty Presidential). I bought it in 1996. The dealer I bought it from dug through the attic and found my original purchase order (Liberty Safe, Sacramento, CA) even though it had been almost 20 years. Liberty gave me absolutely no hassle. They sent me paperwork, I filled it out, they sent me a new safe to the closest dealer. I paid for shipping only. When I bought my Liberty, it was $3200. The new one was almost $6K, and Liberty also decked the new safe with lights, an outlet, dehumidifier, and door storage--all things my old safe did not have. When I called Liberty to make sure a mistake wasn't made, they said "When you bought your safe in 1996, you bought our top of the line. We replaced it with the same model, top of the line." Liberty is good in my book. How does one 'lose' a safe? Appently some fucking crack hears took it.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:39:20 PM EDT
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Keep in mind Liberty has a very wide range of RSCs. Everything from branded Chinese box store specials to really nice high enders. So technically they have crap and quality stuff. This is GD, ain't no body got time fo facts. Did you see the video of the former NFL practice team linebacker high on PCP using nothing but an 87 Lbs Council Tool Apocalaxe Diamond Cutting Carbon Nitrided Boride axe cut into that $250 after Costco instant rebate 22 gauge Liberty Safe? If you have then you'd be like me and fuck no I wouldn't spent a cent on Liberty, they're all shit. Every single one of them. (sarcasm for those with a broken meter) |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:41:55 PM EDT
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No I mean something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M That is a liberty safe btw that got they pried open in less than two minutes. In addition, did you notice in your video that there were no guns in the safe primarily paper? Paper doesn't rust, metal subjected to high temps would rust and had their been plastic parts (ar15) on a gun they would have been melted off. Btw, there is another video out there of a liberty safe being opened up like a tin can using nothing more than a splitting maul. You want to trust your valuables to a liberty knock your self out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am sorry but liberty safes are junk. That safe while charred, I doubt was subjected to high temperatures for any significant amount of time. I would like to see a broader shot of the safe. I am betting seeing that broader shot would show the fire was not as bad as it would appear by zooming in on the safe. You mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZikSlwWm30#t=93No I mean something like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nBhOjWHbD6M That is a liberty safe btw that got they pried open in less than two minutes. In addition, did you notice in your video that there were no guns in the safe primarily paper? Paper doesn't rust, metal subjected to high temps would rust and had their been plastic parts (ar15) on a gun they would have been melted off. Btw, there is another video out there of a liberty safe being opened up like a tin can using nothing more than a splitting maul. You want to trust your valuables to a liberty knock your self out. Bait and switch. The OP complemented Libertys on their fire rating, not their ability to withstand safecracking after thieves bring it back to their garage. Every safe can be cracked once thieves bring it back to their garage. If you show me any safe filled with gold bars that I can bring back to my garage I will show you my new free gold bars.. Can you show me a video of thieves opening up a Liberty safe bolted to the floor in a cellar? Are there better quality safes out there? Absolutely...but saying Liberty safes "Junk" simply because there are better quality safes is unrealistic. The OP's Liberty safe saved his bacon (and whisky) so the OP certainly doesn't think they're junk. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 12:42:22 PM EDT
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Can someone point me towards this arf safe thread that has been referenced here? Is it tacked in one of the subforums? http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/46_Safes_andamp__Home_Security.html Most of the info is in the Ask the AmSec guy thread. edit: speeling. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:13:23 PM EDT
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Can someone point me towards this arf safe thread that has been referenced here? Is it tacked in one of the subforums? http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_6/46_Safes_andamp__Home_Security.html Most of the info is in the Ask the AmSec guy thread. edit: speeling. Thanks. I thought I remembered that thread when it started, but then I couldn't find it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:15:44 PM EDT
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Looks just like mine. Good to know that it might actually make it through a fire. Always wondered how it would fare.
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:18:33 PM EDT
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must be good whisky if you have to keep it in the safe I keep my Johnnie Walker Blue in the gun safe, my brother will mix it with whatever if i leave it out... Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:19:29 PM EDT
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I keep my Johnnie Walker Blue in the gun safe, my brother will mix it with whatever if i leave it out... Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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must be good whisky if you have to keep it in the safe I keep my Johnnie Walker Blue in the gun safe, my brother will mix it with whatever if i leave it out... Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Kclog? |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:26:25 PM EDT
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I have a $400 Brinks gun safe in my bedroom..upstairs.
If the house burns..it will be found in the basement.. I bought it to protect my guns from smash and grab scumbags.. It will serve that purpose well.. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:32:56 PM EDT
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I have a $400 Brinks gun safe in my bedroom..upstairs. If the house burns..it will be found in the basement.. I bought it to protect my guns from smash and grab scumbags.. It will serve that purpose well.. Is "$400" Canuckian $87,000 USD--or thirteen cents?
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:35:36 PM EDT
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This is why personal OPSEC is so important.
A smash and grab thief won't mess with a safe like liberty. It's the guy driving by who sees you putting your SR-25s in your safe in the garage after your trip to the range.....a targeted breakin where they know you have a safe and know how to beat it will defeat all but the very best safes out there. Liberty is good value for most gun owners. If you have a $30000 collection you may want to upgrade. |
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Posted: 4/1/2015 1:35:36 PM EDT
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If a normal hobo lives in fridge box, does a high class hobo live in a safe? He lives in a safe box. |
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