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Posted: 3/30/2015 9:37:39 AM EDT
It would be bloody, destabilizing and help drive Tehran’s nuclear program underground

Iran hawks are playing with fire. We are close to a nuclear deal with Iran, but opponents continue to step up attacks aimed at torpedoing efforts to reach a settlement. They insist that we must walk away from the negotiating table, and that there’s a better deal to be had.

That belief is a fantasy

Vice President Dick Cheney even once said, “We don’t negotiate with evil; we defeat it.” The results? Negotiations collapsed and Iran went from only a few installed centrifuges at the beginning of the Bush administration to about 6,000 by the end
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Bottom line is that Iran, and many other countries, learned the lessons of Osirak quite well.  Disperse, hide, and harden.
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Violence has solved every problem known to man, it will work in this situation also.
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I heard a guy say there are 4 known facilities right now, that if hit with ordnance we have now, would put them back as much as 10 years.
 



Eta: some of it is already under ground.
Link Posted: 3/30/2015 9:40:49 AM EDT
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I have a simple solution, and it involves thermodynamics and a whole lotta glass
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I heard a guy say that he was abducted by aliens...
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I heard a guy say that he was abducted by aliens...
I heard a guy say we should negotiate with Iran.

 
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Yet we lack leadership with the willingness to apply it.

Have lacked it for decades.
Link Posted: 3/30/2015 9:43:27 AM EDT
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I have seen it posted on this very site something to the effect of, the proper application of high explosives solves the vast majority of problems.
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The Iraqis will treat us as liberators.
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IF we intend to stop Iran from developing a nuke, the only real solution is to blow shit up.

If blowing shit up is too much a stretch we'd better get used to a nuclear armed Iran, and that leads to a nuclear armed Saudi Arabia too.
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The West does not have the stomach to solve non-western problems.  We will win every battle in the ME but lose every war because we will refuse to do what is necessary to win the war because it offends our western morals.
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You cannot successfully negotiate from a position of weakness.
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Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran,
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And in 5 years, when they've rebuilt and are working again, what do we do?  Bomb them again?  

Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  
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So True
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Meh....opinion piece written by an anti-war peacenik.  

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And in 5 years, when they've rebuilt and are working again, what do we do?  Bomb them again?  





Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  
Seems like a better alternative than Ayatollah's with megaton Jew-disintegrators.
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I heard a guy say there are 4 known facilities right now, that if hit with ordnance we have now, would put them back as much as 10 years.  

Eta: some of it is already under ground.


And in 5 years, when they've rebuilt and are working again, what do we do?  Bomb them again?  

Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  
Seems like a better alternative than Ayatollah's with megaton Jew-evaporators.  


Weaksauce argument based on vapor.  Iran isn't going to start nuking Israel.
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Eta: some of it is already under ground.





And in 5 years, when they've rebuilt and are working again, what do we do?  Bomb them again?  



Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  
Seems like a better alternative than Ayatollah's with megaton Jew-evaporators.  




Weaksauce argument based on vapor.  Iran isn't going to start nuking Israel.
I'm sure Israel is comforted by your analysis.

 
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I believe as the bomb gets bigger the idea gets better
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Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  
Seems like a better alternative than Ayatollah's with megaton Jew-evaporators.  


Weaksauce argument based on vapor.  Iran isn't going to start nuking Israel.
I'm sure Israel is comforted by your analysis.  


Israel sure is being rocked by all those chemical weapons attacks right now, aren't they.
Link Posted: 3/30/2015 9:53:10 AM EDT
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Bombing Iran is a bad plan.  

Lifting the sanctions is a 10x worse plan.  
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And in 5 years, when they've rebuilt and are working again, what do we do?  Bomb them again?  



Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  
Why yes it does, sometime those Persians can be slow learners



 
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I saw a post in gd where a guy said he saw a real boob
Link Posted: 3/30/2015 9:54:31 AM EDT
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FPNI
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And in 5 years, when they've rebuilt and are working again, what do we do?  Bomb them again?  

Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  


I'M ALL EARS WHAT'S YOUR PLAN?
Link Posted: 3/30/2015 9:56:18 AM EDT
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Not sure they can drive it far enough underground;

Bunker-busting behemoth: Pentagon upgrades bomb with Iranian nukes in mind

Link Posted: 3/30/2015 9:57:36 AM EDT
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Too bad the USA doesn't have some sort of system in which we could, like, elect someone that could figure out a solution for these types of issues.  
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I'M ALL EARS WHAT'S YOUR PLAN?
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I heard a guy say there are 4 known facilities right now, that if hit with ordnance we have now, would put them back as much as 10 years.  

Eta: some of it is already under ground.


And in 5 years, when they've rebuilt and are working again, what do we do?  Bomb them again?  

Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  


I'M ALL EARS WHAT'S YOUR PLAN?


There isn't one, at least not militarily.  Iran will acquire nuclear weapons, regardless of what we do.  Technology progresses.  Weaponry gets more potent.  The ease with which nations can produce nuclear weapons will continue to increase.

Edit: Best bet is to continue the campaign of killing scientists and sabotaging equipment.
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And in 5 years, when they've rebuilt and are working again, what do we do?  Bomb them again?  



Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  
Seems like a better alternative than Ayatollah's with megaton Jew-evaporators.  




Weaksauce argument based on vapor.  Iran isn't going to start nuking Israel.
I'm sure Israel is comforted by your analysis.  




Israel sure is being rocked by all those chemical weapons attacks right now, aren't they.
They are regularly hit with rockets supplied by Iran and other bad actors.  Can you really not see a scenario where Iran falls into the hands of even worse actors than they have now?  The ones who call for Israel's annihilation?

 
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Weaksauce argument based on vapor.  Iran isn't going to start nuking Israel.
I'm sure Israel is comforted by your analysis.  


Israel sure is being rocked by all those chemical weapons attacks right now, aren't they.
They are regularly hit with rockets supplied by Iran and other bad actors.  Can you really not see a scenario where Iran falls into the hands of even worse actors than they have now?  The ones who call for Israel's annihilation?  


No, I can not see that scenario. Not realistically.
Link Posted: 3/30/2015 10:02:24 AM EDT
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Right.

We can't invade Iran. We can't bomb Iran. We can't rely on any deal with Iran. Sanctions will not stop them.

So, we need to improve our Ballistic Missile Defense Shield in the region, in Europe, and here at home.

We also need a more viable deterrent than our own nuclear weapons. We need Kinetic Energy Space Based Weapon Platforms. Time to get busy and defend America.

The reality is that not only will Iran go nuclear, but other nations will as well in the future. In the next 50 years we should see probably at least two or three additional nuclear powers.

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I heard a guy say there are 4 known facilities right now, that if hit with ordnance we have now, would put them back as much as 10 years.  

Eta: some of it is already under ground.


And in 5 years, when they've rebuilt and are working again, what do we do?  Bomb them again?  

Perpetual bombing.  This plan seems brilliant.  
Seems like a better alternative than Ayatollah's with megaton Jew-evaporators.  


Weaksauce argument based on vapor.  Iran isn't going to start nuking Israel.


When your enemy tells you exactly what they are going to do to you, when they are capable, it behooves you to listen and believe them.  
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Beat me to it. We're showing our age.
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This man makes sense. I like it.
Link Posted: 3/30/2015 10:06:45 AM EDT
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Not bombing Iran might be an even more terrible idea.
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Seems like a better alternative than Ayatollah's with megaton Jew-evaporators.  


Weaksauce argument based on vapor.  Iran isn't going to start nuking Israel.
I'm sure Israel is comforted by your analysis.  


Israel sure is being rocked by all those chemical weapons attacks right now, aren't they.
They are regularly hit with rockets supplied by Iran and other bad actors.  Can you really not see a scenario where Iran falls into the hands of even worse actors than they have now?  The ones who call for Israel's annihilation?  


You mean, like the Current Iranian leaders?
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Khrushchev banged his shoe on the table at the UN and shouted 'WE WILL BURY YOU!'

No one felt the need to wet their pants and press the red button.
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It would be bloody, destabilizing and help drive Tehran’s nuclear program underground

Iran hawks are playing with fire. We are close to a nuclear deal with Iran, but opponents continue to step up attacks aimed at torpedoing efforts to reach a settlement. They insist that we must walk away from the negotiating table, and that there’s a better deal to be had.

That belief is a fantasy

Vice President Dick Cheney even once said, “We don’t negotiate with evil; we defeat it.” The results? Negotiations collapsed and Iran went from only a few installed centrifuges at the beginning of the Bush administration to about 6,000 by the end
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Bottom line is that Iran, and many other countries, learned the lessons of Osirak quite well.  Disperse, hide, and harden.
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Their program is already underground.
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No, I can not see that scenario. Not realistically.
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I'm sure Israel is comforted by your analysis.  


Israel sure is being rocked by all those chemical weapons attacks right now, aren't they.
They are regularly hit with rockets supplied by Iran and other bad actors.  Can you really not see a scenario where Iran falls into the hands of even worse actors than they have now?  The ones who call for Israel's annihilation?  


No, I can not see that scenario. Not realistically.


Neville Chamberlain had the same problem.
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You mean, like the Current Iranian leaders?


Which is why those current Iranian leaders are trying to destroy Israel with their chemical weapon stockpile, right?  Because they could enough of Israel to cause some extreme death totals.
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Yet we lack leadership with the willingness to apply it.

Have lacked it for decades.
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Yet we lack leadership with the willingness to apply it.

Have lacked it for decades.


We had the leadership recently.

It was the American people who chickened out and gave control of Congress to the Dems.
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Khrushchev banged his shoe on the table at the UN and shouted 'WE WILL BURY YOU!'

No one felt the need to wet their pants and press the red button.


And yet we are rushing headlong towards communism.  How strange that Khrushchev got it right, no?
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Which is why those current Iranian leaders are trying to destroy Israel with their chemical weapon stockpile, right?  Because they could enough of Israel to cause some extreme death totals.
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They are regularly hit with rockets supplied by Iran and other bad actors.  Can you really not see a scenario where Iran falls into the hands of even worse actors than they have now?  The ones who call for Israel's annihilation?  


You mean, like the Current Iranian leaders?


Which is why those current Iranian leaders are trying to destroy Israel with their chemical weapon stockpile, right?  Because they could enough of Israel to cause some extreme death totals.


LOL
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Beat me to it. We're showing our age.




 
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Neville Chamberlain had the same problem.
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They are regularly hit with rockets supplied by Iran and other bad actors.  Can you really not see a scenario where Iran falls into the hands of even worse actors than they have now?  The ones who call for Israel's annihilation?  


No, I can not see that scenario. Not realistically.


Neville Chamberlain had the same problem.


Irrelevant.  Hitler was actually invading countries when Chamberlain made his error.  Iran has the ability to do what the say and haven't been using it.
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Hell, that goes back to Korea, not just the ME.
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