User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 6:16:39 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Even though I have, the problem is your fundamental bias is completely unattached to anything requiring that I do so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Let me ask you guys a question: Have you ever considered that if God is Who the Bible says He is, then your protests would be like an ant protesting that he has looked at a human genius and decided that he thinks that human's actions are "cruel, mean, horrible, and unfair"? Just as an ant cannot possible understand even a small part of what a human is and thinks, you and I cannot possibly understand an Infinite Creator, and our protests are as silly as the ant's. Have you considered this? Even though I have, the problem is your fundamental bias is completely unattached to anything requiring that I do so. I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 6:34:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let me ask you guys a question: Have you ever considered that if God is Who the Bible says He is, then your protests would be like an ant protesting that he has looked at a human genius and decided that he thinks that human's actions are "cruel, mean, horrible, and unfair"? Just as an ant cannot possible understand even a small part of what a human is and thinks, you and I cannot possibly understand an Infinite Creator, and our protests are as silly as the ant's. Have you considered this? Even though I have, the problem is your fundamental bias is completely unattached to anything requiring that I do so. I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand.  |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 6:41:31 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Let me ask you guys a question: Have you ever considered that if God is Who the Bible says He is, then your protests would be like an ant protesting that he has looked at a human genius and decided that he thinks that human's actions are "cruel, mean, horrible, and unfair"? Just as an ant cannot possible understand even a small part of what a human is and thinks, you and I cannot possibly understand an Infinite Creator, and our protests are as silly as the ant's. Have you considered this? Even though I have, the problem is your fundamental bias is completely unattached to anything requiring that I do so. I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. And that ant would be absolutely correct. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 6:52:44 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
And that ant would be absolutely correct. No they wouldn't. The ant would not even begin to understand the arguments. It could not even comprehend what the human was doing. Just as you cannot possibly understand or comprehend what God is thinking or doing. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 7:14:09 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
No they wouldn't. The ant would not even begin to understand the arguments. It could not even comprehend what the human was doing. Just as you cannot possibly understand or comprehend what God is thinking or doing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
And that ant would be absolutely correct. No they wouldn't. The ant would not even begin to understand the arguments. It could not even comprehend what the human was doing. Just as you cannot possibly understand or comprehend what God is thinking or doing. So... someone stepping on and killing an ant on the sidewalk for no reason is okay because the human is smarter than the ant? 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 7:17:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
So... someone stepping on and killing an ant on the sidewalk for no reason is okay because the human is smarter than the ant?
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
And that ant would be absolutely correct. No they wouldn't. The ant would not even begin to understand the arguments. It could not even comprehend what the human was doing. Just as you cannot possibly understand or comprehend what God is thinking or doing. So... someone stepping on and killing an ant on the sidewalk for no reason is okay because the human is smarter than the ant?
When you notice an insect on the ground, do you stop to consider it a fool? The life of an insect is so beneath you that it would be a waste of your time to even consider judging it. That would be an accurate summation on God's feelings towards humans. And no, I'm not being serious. That's a quote from a cartoon. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 7:17:42 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
So... someone stepping on and killing an ant on the sidewalk for no reason is okay because the human is smarter than the ant?
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
And that ant would be absolutely correct. No they wouldn't. The ant would not even begin to understand the arguments. It could not even comprehend what the human was doing. Just as you cannot possibly understand or comprehend what God is thinking or doing. So... someone stepping on and killing an ant on the sidewalk for no reason is okay because the human is smarter than the ant?
Who said that? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 7:27:21 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you notice an insect on the ground, do you stop to consider it a fool? The life of an insect is so beneath you that it would be a waste of your time to even consider judging it. That would be an accurate summation on God's feelings towards humans. And no, I'm not being serious. That's a quote from a cartoon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And that ant would be absolutely correct. No they wouldn't. The ant would not even begin to understand the arguments. It could not even comprehend what the human was doing. Just as you cannot possibly understand or comprehend what God is thinking or doing. So... someone stepping on and killing an ant on the sidewalk for no reason is okay because the human is smarter than the ant? When you notice an insect on the ground, do you stop to consider it a fool? The life of an insect is so beneath you that it would be a waste of your time to even consider judging it. That would be an accurate summation on God's feelings towards humans. And no, I'm not being serious. That's a quote from a cartoon. I'm reminded of the Outer Limits episode, The Sand Kings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandkings |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 7:40:09 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
And that ant would be absolutely correct. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Let me ask you guys a question: Have you ever considered that if God is Who the Bible says He is, then your protests would be like an ant protesting that he has looked at a human genius and decided that he thinks that human's actions are "cruel, mean, horrible, and unfair"? Just as an ant cannot possible understand even a small part of what a human is and thinks, you and I cannot possibly understand an Infinite Creator, and our protests are as silly as the ant's. Have you considered this? Even though I have, the problem is your fundamental bias is completely unattached to anything requiring that I do so. I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. And that ant would be absolutely correct. Why do people step on ants for no reason? Because they are assholes. Why does God (being in control of everything) let bad things happen to his people for no reason (like stepping on them for no reason)? 
But, just as the ant can't comprehend the human mind, the human can't comprehend God's mind, right? Your analogy is flawed is all I'm saying. ETA: I was trying to quote O_P's response to me, but this is what I was referencing. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:01:03 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In God's case, it is called a Sovereign God, the Creator of the entire universe, Who has the right to rule it as He pleases. And He doesn't need your approval or permission. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's it called when it's one all powerful guy in charge of everything that tells everybody what they're supposed to do upon pain of eternal torment? In God's case, it is called a Sovereign God, the Creator of the entire universe, Who has the right to rule it as He pleases. And He doesn't need your approval or permission. And anyone, including humans, can point out immoral tyranny, cruelty, and evil in his actions. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:03:39 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let me ask you guys a question: Have you ever considered that if God is Who the Bible says He is, then your protests would be like an ant protesting that he has looked at a human genius and decided that he thinks that human's actions are "cruel, mean, horrible, and unfair"? Just as an ant cannot possible understand even a small part of what a human is and thinks, you and I cannot possibly understand an Infinite Creator, and our protests are as silly as the ant's. Have you considered this? Even though I have, the problem is your fundamental bias is completely unattached to anything requiring that I do so. I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. You don't know any of these things, you're simply stating a fallible human opinion, that is no different than anyone else's. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:12:03 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
In God's case, it is called a Sovereign God, the Creator of the entire universe, Who has the right to rule it as He pleases. And He doesn't need your approval or permission. What about the thousands of other creator gods? Odin, Prometheus, Brahma, Quetzalcoatl? Do they rule the universe as a committee? Take turns? Arm wrestle over who to smite? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:28:58 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He has the right, but that doesn't make him moral. And anyone, including humans, can point out immoral tyranny, cruelty, and evil in his actions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's it called when it's one all powerful guy in charge of everything that tells everybody what they're supposed to do upon pain of eternal torment? In God's case, it is called a Sovereign God, the Creator of the entire universe, Who has the right to rule it as He pleases. And He doesn't need your approval or permission. He has the right, but that doesn't make him moral. And anyone, including humans, can point out immoral tyranny, cruelty, and evil in his actions. Euthyphro? Is that you? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:34:54 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Which is why people who claim to know what religion is correct, what interpretation of the scripture is correct, or what god thinks is moral or not are completely full of shit. You don't know any of these things, you're simply stating a fallible human opinion, that is no different than anyone else's. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Let me ask you guys a question: Have you ever considered that if God is Who the Bible says He is, then your protests would be like an ant protesting that he has looked at a human genius and decided that he thinks that human's actions are "cruel, mean, horrible, and unfair"? Just as an ant cannot possible understand even a small part of what a human is and thinks, you and I cannot possibly understand an Infinite Creator, and our protests are as silly as the ant's. Have you considered this? Even though I have, the problem is your fundamental bias is completely unattached to anything requiring that I do so. I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. You don't know any of these things, you're simply stating a fallible human opinion, that is no different than anyone else's. He'sRightYouKnow.jpg |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:42:39 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Let me ask you guys a question: Have you ever considered that if God is Who the Bible says He is, then your protests would be like an ant protesting that he has looked at a human genius and decided that he thinks that human's actions are "cruel, mean, horrible, and unfair"? Just as an ant cannot possible understand even a small part of what a human is and thinks, you and I cannot possibly understand an Infinite Creator, and our protests are as silly as the ant's. Have you considered this? Even though I have, the problem is your fundamental bias is completely unattached to anything requiring that I do so. I understand. I only meant it as a "mental exercise" for an Atheist. When I see Atheists say how "cruel and horrible" etc, etc God is, I always think that an ant would think the same thing about a human. If God is Who the Bible says He is, then His ways are far above what we could ever think or understand. Why would someone think something they don't believe in is "cruel and horrible"? Now if they said that some of the people in the bible and their justifications for doing some things were "cruel and horrible", that would make sense. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:43:23 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is why people who claim to know what religion is correct, what interpretation of the scripture is correct, or what god thinks is moral or not are completely full of shit. You don't know any of these things, you're simply stating a fallible human opinion, that is no different than anyone else's. No different than yours.  |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:45:55 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why would someone think something they don't believe in is "cruel and horrible"? Now if they said that some of the people in the bible and their justifications for doing some things were "cruel and horrible", that would make sense. You don't think Sauron was an asshole for wanting to burn down the Shire? In the same way, Yahweh's creation of flawed beings for the sake of torturing them is also a dick move. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:47:13 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the thousands of other creator gods? Odin, Prometheus, Brahma, Quetzalcoatl? Do they rule the universe as a committee? Take turns? Arm wrestle over who to smite? You can continue to come up with smug questions like yours, but they won't change our minds. I know that must be hard to fathom, but it is what it is. You won't change our minds, we won't change yours. <shrug> |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:49:50 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You don't think Sauron was an asshole for wanting to burn down the Shire? In the same way, Yahweh's creation of flawed beings for the sake of torturing them is also a dick move. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Why would someone think something they don't believe in is "cruel and horrible"? Now if they said that some of the people in the bible and their justifications for doing some things were "cruel and horrible", that would make sense. You don't think Sauron was an asshole for wanting to burn down the Shire? In the same way, Yahweh's creation of flawed beings for the sake of torturing them is also a dick move. Well, the people in the book doing bad things to other people are assholes, but since god is as real as sauron, I don't blame them. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:51:51 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And just to be clear, I'm not arguing against the validity of the bible. I don't need to. I don't buy it, and that's that. I'm just starting the absurdity of the stories. See - this is where you fail. You think you're stating the "absurdity of the stories" as an absolute truth, but that's not the case. You somehow seem to think yourself as someone who is the arbiter of what's correct and what's not, glibly dismissing what *I* believe. Sorry - that's not how it works. My belief is just as valid as yours. You can dismiss beliefs only for yourself - not for others; you are no more moral, reasoned, correct, etc. than I am. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:52:22 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No different than yours. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which is why people who claim to know what religion is correct, what interpretation of the scripture is correct, or what god thinks is moral or not are completely full of shit. You don't know any of these things, you're simply stating a fallible human opinion, that is no different than anyone else's. No different than yours. However, I can easily make definite claims about logic. If someone says "god is too complex, you can't understand him", and then they turn around and tell you there is exactly 1 way to interpret god, and every other way is wrong, I know, with certainty, that they are wrong about one of those claims. Anyone who claims to know that god is too complex to understand should be willing to amid that for reasons sufficiently complex for god, he is perfectly capable of leading multiple groups of people to believe there is only 1 true religion. Doing so wouldn't be illogical, or immoral (as people have said), if it is truly what god wants and thinks is best. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:53:51 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
See - this is where you fail. You think you're stating the "absurdity of the stories" as an absolute truth, but that's not the case. You somehow seem to think yourself as someone who is the arbiter of what's correct and what's not, glibly dismissing what *I* believe. Sorry - that's not how it works. My belief is just as valid as yours. You can dismiss beliefs only for yourself - not for others; you are no more moral, reasoned, correct, etc. than I am. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
And just to be clear, I'm not arguing against the validity of the bible. I don't need to. I don't buy it, and that's that. I'm just starting the absurdity of the stories. See - this is where you fail. You think you're stating the "absurdity of the stories" as an absolute truth, but that's not the case. You somehow seem to think yourself as someone who is the arbiter of what's correct and what's not, glibly dismissing what *I* believe. Sorry - that's not how it works. My belief is just as valid as yours. You can dismiss beliefs only for yourself - not for others; you are no more moral, reasoned, correct, etc. than I am. “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:57:24 PM EDT
[#23]
So many logical fallacies in this thread I'm just going to post this.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 8:58:57 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right. Which is why I make no claims about "what is definitely true about god, the universe, or morality". However, I can easily make definite claims about logic. If someone says "god is too complex, you can't understand him", and then they turn around and tell you there is exactly 1 way to interpret god, and every other way is wrong, I know, with certainty, that they are wrong about one of those claims. I can't argue with that line of line of reasoning. It's not an easy subject and won't ever be settled; only after we're dead will the ultimate truth be revealed. You go by what you feel is right and make the best of it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:00:32 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm reminded of the Outer Limits episode, The Sand Kings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandkings Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
And that ant would be absolutely correct. No they wouldn't. The ant would not even begin to understand the arguments. It could not even comprehend what the human was doing. Just as you cannot possibly understand or comprehend what God is thinking or doing. So... someone stepping on and killing an ant on the sidewalk for no reason is okay because the human is smarter than the ant?
When you notice an insect on the ground, do you stop to consider it a fool? The life of an insect is so beneath you that it would be a waste of your time to even consider judging it. That would be an accurate summation on God's feelings towards humans. And no, I'm not being serious. That's a quote from a cartoon. I'm reminded of the Outer Limits episode, The Sand Kings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sandkings MrsCheShirt just made me watch that this weekend. Good episode, but now I need to track down the short story since it's apparently far more grim. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:01:08 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
In before the butt hurt atheists only atheists should be butthurt? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:02:00 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And just to be clear, I'm not arguing against the validity of the bible. I don't need to. I don't buy it, and that's that. I'm just starting the absurdity of the stories. See - this is where you fail. You think you're stating the "absurdity of the stories" as an absolute truth, but that's not the case. You somehow seem to think yourself as someone who is the arbiter of what's correct and what's not, glibly dismissing what *I* believe. Sorry - that's not how it works. My belief is just as valid as yours. You can dismiss beliefs only for yourself - not for others; you are no more moral, reasoned, correct, etc. than I am. "Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov Not valid when it comes to personal beliefs which can't be proved or disproved either way. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:03:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryWow, someone took the time to compile 850 strawmen. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:03:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not valid when it comes to personal beliefs which can't be proved or disproved either way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
And just to be clear, I'm not arguing against the validity of the bible. I don't need to. I don't buy it, and that's that. I'm just starting the absurdity of the stories. See - this is where you fail. You think you're stating the "absurdity of the stories" as an absolute truth, but that's not the case. You somehow seem to think yourself as someone who is the arbiter of what's correct and what's not, glibly dismissing what *I* believe. Sorry - that's not how it works. My belief is just as valid as yours. You can dismiss beliefs only for yourself - not for others; you are no more moral, reasoned, correct, etc. than I am. "Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov Not valid when it comes to personal beliefs which can't be proved or disproved either way. But if we agreed to that, GD would wither on the vine and die. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:04:29 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, someone took the time to compile 850 strawmen. Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, someone took the time to compile 850 strawmen. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:07:21 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yes, of course I have. But I have had an encounter with the Jesus of the Bible. He came into my heart and has assured me that He is just who the Bible says He is. I could no more deny that He is God than I could deny that I am me. Jesus has proven Himself to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Let me ask you guys a question: Have you ever considered that if God is Who the Bible says He is, then your protests would be like an ant protesting that he has looked at a human genius and decided that he thinks that human's actions are "cruel, mean, horrible, and unfair"? Just as an ant cannot possible understand even a small part of what a human is and thinks, you and I cannot possibly understand an Infinite Creator, and our protests are as silly as the ant's. Have you considered this? Sure. Have you considered the same about other religions that you considered to be false? So it comes down to not only having faith... but having faith in the correct non-falsifiable religion. Sounds like cosmic roulette. Yes, of course I have. But I have had an encounter with the Jesus of the Bible. He came into my heart and has assured me that He is just who the Bible says He is. I could no more deny that He is God than I could deny that I am me. Jesus has proven Himself to me. Lucky! ...Just think, if he would do this with everyone, then nobody would have to suffer for eternity! Too bad he doesn't feel like it for some reason.  'Mysterious ways,' am I right?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:08:03 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
See - this is where you fail. You think you're stating the "absurdity of the stories" as an absolute truth, but that's not the case. You somehow seem to think yourself as someone who is the arbiter of what's correct and what's not, glibly dismissing what *I* believe. Sorry - that's not how it works. My belief is just as valid as yours. You can dismiss beliefs only for yourself - not for others; you are no more moral, reasoned, correct, etc. than I am. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
And just to be clear, I'm not arguing against the validity of the bible. I don't need to. I don't buy it, and that's that. I'm just starting the absurdity of the stories. See - this is where you fail. You think you're stating the "absurdity of the stories" as an absolute truth, but that's not the case. You somehow seem to think yourself as someone who is the arbiter of what's correct and what's not, glibly dismissing what *I* believe. Sorry - that's not how it works. My belief is just as valid as yours. You can dismiss beliefs only for yourself - not for others; you are no more moral, reasoned, correct, etc. than I am. Absolute truth? Nope. Just an observation and statement of my opinion. No failure there. And in my opinion, a story where a supposedly all-knowing, all-powerful, benevolent creator makes such a mess of things is absurd. Killing children to get your way when you have infinite power at your disposal is absurd, cruel, unjust, and evil. And no...I can dismiss your beliefs. It might not mean anything to you that I can dismiss beliefs as silly and irrational, but it isn't about you. No hard feelings, though. Just my opinion. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:24:56 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Absolute truth? Nope. Just an observation and statement of my opinion. No failure there. And in my opinion, a story where a supposedly all-knowing, all-powerful, benevolent creator makes such a mess of things is absurd. Killing children to get your way when you have infinite power at your disposal is absurd, cruel, unjust, and evil. And no...I can dismiss your beliefs. It might not mean anything to you that I can dismiss beliefs as silly and irrational, but it isn't about you. No hard feelings, though. Just my opinion. 1) You surely can dismiss my opinion, but you don't get to claim that I'm inferior to you because I have a different opinion. 2) No hard feelings here either. You have your opinion, I have mine.  |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:25:50 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistorySome Christians have difficulty understanding how morals and ethics can even exist with an atheist..... If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:29:48 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. Quote HistoryQuoted: Some Christians have difficulty understanding how morals and ethics can even exist with an atheist..... If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. It's like you've distilled all that's wrong with the last 22 pages into one post. *high five* |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:31:24 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. Quote HistoryQuoted: Some Christians have difficulty understanding how morals and ethics can even exist with an atheist..... If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. Theists have no moral compass as far as I can tell. Divine command morality means they are completely unable to judge the morality of any new situation proposed to them. There are no universal set of rules that all theists agree on. When a theist says "I'm a moral xyz religion" they are really saying nothing, since there is not set of morality that all people of that religion agree on, and its theist choosing which interpretation of which parts of the religion he wants, and which ones he doesn't. And the worst thing about a man that does have a god is he tends to pretend that god supports every little tyrannical thing that he wants to do, usually through the force of government. Theists are just bad news IMHO. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:31:38 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some Christians have difficulty understanding how morals and ethics can even exist with an atheist..... If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. you say atheist make up their god, as if christians don't do that very thing. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:33:01 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some Christians have difficulty understanding how morals and ethics can even exist with an atheist..... If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. 
that's how it's done |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:33:04 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Let me ask you guys a question: Have you ever considered that if God is Who the Bible says He is, then your protests would be like an ant protesting that he has looked at a human genius and decided that he thinks that human's actions are "cruel, mean, horrible, and unfair"? Just as an ant cannot possible understand even a small part of what a human is and thinks, you and I cannot possibly understand an Infinite Creator, and our protests are as silly as the ant's. Have you considered this? I have. About 16 years ago, a former coworker and I had a very similar discussion. I was saved shortly after and my life has since been better in every way. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:33:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
See - this is where you fail. You think you're stating the "absurdity of the stories" as an absolute truth, but that's not the case. You somehow seem to think yourself as someone who is the arbiter of what's correct and what's not, glibly dismissing what *I* believe. Sorry - that's not how it works. My belief is just as valid as yours. You can dismiss beliefs only for yourself - not for others; you are no more moral, reasoned, correct, etc. than I am. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
And just to be clear, I'm not arguing against the validity of the bible. I don't need to. I don't buy it, and that's that. I'm just starting the absurdity of the stories. See - this is where you fail. You think you're stating the "absurdity of the stories" as an absolute truth, but that's not the case. You somehow seem to think yourself as someone who is the arbiter of what's correct and what's not, glibly dismissing what *I* believe. Sorry - that's not how it works. My belief is just as valid as yours. You can dismiss beliefs only for yourself - not for others; you are no more moral, reasoned, correct, etc. than I am. Ah, the "all beliefs are equal" argument. That bum on the corner and Einstein? Equally valid beliefs about physics. Talking snakes and gravity? Equally valid beliefs. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:34:39 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some Christians have difficulty understanding how morals and ethics can even exist with an atheist..... If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/03/joker.gif that's how it's done I'd say, worse than atheists. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:36:45 PM EDT
[#42]
I haven't followed this whole mess of a thread but Phil Robertson for President doesn't sound too bad to me...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:38:26 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some Christians have difficulty understanding how morals and ethics can even exist with an atheist..... If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. only love, maximum love,
for all humanity, forever. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:39:34 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I haven't followed this whole mess of a thread but Phil Robertson for President doesn't sound too bad to me... ayy lmao |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:41:17 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm sure you'll love my equally valid reply, which shows how bad theists are in comparison. I'd say, worse than atheists. As you may have had occasion to notice, we're much of the same turn of mind on this topic
I just think in his case, you need to read between the lines, it's as if (as troubleshooter called it) he is "distilling" 22 pages of derp in one post, which is a high indicator of that elusive forum animal ... sarcasm
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:43:50 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
1) You surely can dismiss my opinion, but you don't get to claim that I'm inferior to you because I have a different opinion. 2) No hard feelings here either. You have your opinion, I have mine.
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Absolute truth? Nope. Just an observation and statement of my opinion. No failure there. And in my opinion, a story where a supposedly all-knowing, all-powerful, benevolent creator makes such a mess of things is absurd. Killing children to get your way when you have infinite power at your disposal is absurd, cruel, unjust, and evil. And no...I can dismiss your beliefs. It might not mean anything to you that I can dismiss beliefs as silly and irrational, but it isn't about you. No hard feelings, though. Just my opinion. 1) You surely can dismiss my opinion, but you don't get to claim that I'm inferior to you because I have a different opinion. 2) No hard feelings here either. You have your opinion, I have mine.
Never meant to imply that you are inferior. Sorry if it came across that way. Nothing wrong with differing opinions 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:45:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some Christians have difficulty understanding how morals and ethics can even exist with an atheist..... If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. lol bless your heart. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:48:22 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
No, no one is claiming that, sorry for your strawman. Theists have no moral compass as far as I can tell. Divine command morality means they are completely unable to judge the morality of any new situation proposed to them. There are no universal set of rules that all theists agree on. When a theist says "I'm a moral xyz religion" they are really saying nothing, since there is not set of morality that all people of that religion agree on, and its theist choosing which interpretation of which parts of the religion he wants, and which ones he doesn't. And the worst thing about a man that does have a god is he tends to pretend that god supports every little tyrannical thing that he wants to do, usually through the force of government. Theists are just bad news IMHO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Some Christians have difficulty understanding how morals and ethics can even exist with an atheist..... If the atheist says "if it feels good, and I can get away with it, then it's "right", does that make it right? Moral? Atheists have no moral compass. There is no 10 commandments of atheism that all atheists agree on. And without any moral compass, anything goes. When an atheist says "I'm a moral atheist", the atheist is really saying nothing, because the atheist is the one deciding what's moral and what's not. But the worst thing about atheists is that when man does not have a God, he tends to create one, and the God of atheists more often than not is Government, and as would be expected, most liberals are atheists, so are most communists. Atheists are just bad news imho. Theists have no moral compass as far as I can tell. Divine command morality means they are completely unable to judge the morality of any new situation proposed to them. There are no universal set of rules that all theists agree on. When a theist says "I'm a moral xyz religion" they are really saying nothing, since there is not set of morality that all people of that religion agree on, and its theist choosing which interpretation of which parts of the religion he wants, and which ones he doesn't. And the worst thing about a man that does have a god is he tends to pretend that god supports every little tyrannical thing that he wants to do, usually through the force of government. Theists are just bad news IMHO. But people decide to be Christians and part of that decision is deciding that they agree with the 10 commandments as their moral compass. They could just as well have decided to follow the moral compass of Buddhism. But an atheist choses not to follow ANY established moral code. He makes it up to suit himself. Imagine a world of nothing but atheists, all of them making up their own moral code. Many would have a moral code of if it feels good do it, if it doesn't feel good don't do it. If they feel like having their way with a woman, who are you to tell them not to? What right do you have to impose your morals on them? You all just make up whatever morals you want right? I wouldn't be so down on atheists if you would organize and come up with some kind of recognized moral code. Until then, you're just a bunch of Godless barbarians. Not that there's anything wrong with that:) |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 9:59:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
But people decide to be Christians and part of that decision is deciding that they agree with the 10 commandments as their moral compass. They could just as well have decided to follow the moral compass of Buddhism. But an atheist choses not to follow any established moral code. He makes it up to suit himself. Imagine a world of nothing but atheists, all of them making up their own moral code. Many would have a moral code of if it feels good do it, if it doesn't feel good don't do it. If they feel like having their way with a woman, who are you to tell them not to? What right do you have to impose your morals on them? You all just make up whatever morals you want right? I wouldn't be so down on atheists if you would organize and come up with some kind of recognized moral code. Until then, your just a bunch of Godless barbarians. Not that there's anything wrong with that:) But religious people do the same thing. They have made up a moral code that makes them feel good, then gave themselves selective amnesia and pretend the moral code from god, so they feel even gooder about having an absolute and superior moral code, a moral mandate from Heaven itself. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/30/2015 10:07:10 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
But religious people do the same thing. They have made up a moral code that makes them feel good, then gave themselves selective amnesia and pretend the moral code from god, so they feel even gooder about having an absolute and superior moral code, a moral mandate from Heaven itself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
But people decide to be Christians and part of that decision is deciding that they agree with the 10 commandments as their moral compass. They could just as well have decided to follow the moral compass of Buddhism. But an atheist choses not to follow any established moral code. He makes it up to suit himself. Imagine a world of nothing but atheists, all of them making up their own moral code. Many would have a moral code of if it feels good do it, if it doesn't feel good don't do it. If they feel like having their way with a woman, who are you to tell them not to? What right do you have to impose your morals on them? You all just make up whatever morals you want right? I wouldn't be so down on atheists if you would organize and come up with some kind of recognized moral code. Until then, your just a bunch of Godless barbarians. Not that there's anything wrong with that:) But religious people do the same thing. They have made up a moral code that makes them feel good, then gave themselves selective amnesia and pretend the moral code from god, so they feel even gooder about having an absolute and superior moral code, a moral mandate from Heaven itself. Works for me. Now if an Atheist was to tell me they follow the 10 commandments as their moral code, but they just don't believe in God, then I might be OK with that. What I have a hard time with are the majority of atheists who say they make up their own morality as they go and then insist that they are just as moral as I am. Really? You can't all agree on a single moral code but you are all equally moral? |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
